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Quote from: Yamifoud on June 02, 2022, 07:51:59 AM

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This could have happened before the Bivol fight, but then again they are afraid Canelo might lost to GGG in a trilogy and their chance to take a shot on Bivol might gone.
Well, what else can we expect, sports industry is more of a business now than an actual sport.
GGG is now 40, but I think he still have enough left in his tank to beat Canelo or bring the fight as close as possible.

It was Canelo who challenged Bivol, GGG was just waiting for Canelo's yes, and now that he failed against Bivol, he choose to fight GGG so he will beck in the winning track again, however, I don't think it's easy for him to beat GGG, though GGG is quite old but he is not a left over.

Yeah, because he was really ambitious and tries to go up in weight after he became an undisputed champion. Since he failed, his option now is GGG as for sure he believes he has a good chance to beat GGG again and make big money again. Boxing nowadays are business, and since people requested this fight, we are now getting it soon.

The money part influenced this fight the most, for sure. Alvarez camp knows and understand that instead of adding more belts in his career money is better than anything, just like what you said fans call for this fight and now both camps agree to make it possible, gamblers and those fans who awaited for this to happen are now ready to pick side and place their bets to whoever fighter they think that will win from this fight.

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Naturally, I am inclined to bet on GGG, because I think he is underestimated. But it may be more logical to bet on a knockout victory, since it is unlikely that he will be given the victory if he slightly outboxes Canello.

The thing is GGG is the challenger here, if the fight were really close, then the judges will decide Canelo will win. Looking on the scorecard where Canelo fought against Bivol, it doesn't make sense the judges scored 115-113 for Bivol, it's obvious won and not even close. I think 117-111/112 is fair considering Bivol almost dominated all the rounds and landed many clean punch.

Yeah! the fight should end with KO or TKO reaching the official's decisions will turn out to be in Canelo's favor because he is the favorite boxer here. Nevertheless, this is an exciting fight because the fans are eager to see this one for the last time, and for GGG's accomplishment of his career as a boxer, it is best to conclude it here. Is just a normal scenario for the boxing industry that the judges are not watching the same fight as we are, they have their own so-called way of judging the fight and it is not praise-worthy at all.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 02, 2022, 08:54:09 AM

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It's true, Bivol with the beating he gave Canelo I think was enough to leave Canelo with almost no chance, it also surprises me that Canelo had a new fight so quickly, I think he has lost something, if everything goes well for Canelo this time could think about the match against GGG, for me GGG needs this fight with him much more, I think it is already a matter of honor and rivalry, for GGG he needs a victory with him more than ever, if GGG manages to have the fight with He may have one more star in his career, but if Canelo loses again I don't think such a fight can take place, I think the fns would not be very interested.

I remember that match. It was just beautiful to watch. I must say that Bivol put out a stellar performance. But I must give credit to Canelo for taking risks and not being afraid like many fighters today are. I think it's part of the reason he got a new fight so quickly. On the other hand, the fight between Canelo and GGG is going to be personal for him considering he lost the first 2. In other words there no a second chance after this. He knows it could be the last time GGG fights.

A trilogy is usually the final fight, the winner of the fight can be declared the best fighter between the two. Although Canelo already beat GGG twice, but some people are not happy or not convinced with his performance, therefore, this trilogy should happen and this would also give the fans an opportunity to see a big fight this year.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on June 01, 2022, 08:36:18 PM

It's true, Bivol with the beating he gave Canelo I think was enough to leave Canelo with almost no chance, it also surprises me that Canelo had a new fight so quickly, I think he has lost something, if everything goes well for Canelo this time could think about the match against GGG, for me GGG needs this fight with him much more, I think it is already a matter of honor and rivalry, for GGG he needs a victory with him more than ever, if GGG manages to have the fight with He may have one more star in his career, but if Canelo loses again I don't think such a fight can take place, I think the fns would not be very interested.

I remember that match. It was just beautiful to watch. I must say that Bivol put out a stellar performance. But I must give credit to Canelo for taking risks and not being afraid like many fighters today are. I think it's part of the reason he got a new fight so quickly. On the other hand, the fight between Canelo and GGG is going to be personal for him considering he lost the first 2. In other words there no a second chance after this. He knows it could be the last time GGG fights.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on June 02, 2022, 06:35:25 AM

Quote from: Oasisman on June 02, 2022, 02:13:47 AM

This could have happened before the Bivol fight, but then again they are afraid Canelo might lost to GGG in a trilogy and their chance to take a shot on Bivol might gone.
Well, what else can we expect, sports industry is more of a business now than an actual sport.
GGG is now 40, but I think he still have enough left in his tank to beat Canelo or bring the fight as close as possible.

It was Canelo who challenged Bivol, GGG was just waiting for Canelo's yes, and now that he failed against Bivol, he choose to fight GGG so he will beck in the winning track again, however, I don't think it's easy for him to beat GGG, though GGG is quite old but he is not a left over.

Yeah, because he was really ambitious and tries to go up in weight after he became an undisputed champion. Since he failed, his option now is GGG as for sure he believes he has a good chance to beat GGG again and make big money again. Boxing nowadays are business, and since people requested this fight, we are now getting it soon.

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Quote from: Oasisman on June 02, 2022, 02:13:47 AM

This could have happened before the Bivol fight, but then again they are afraid Canelo might lost to GGG in a trilogy and their chance to take a shot on Bivol might gone.
Well, what else can we expect, sports industry is more of a business now than an actual sport.
GGG is now 40, but I think he still have enough left in his tank to beat Canelo or bring the fight as close as possible.

It was Canelo who challenged Bivol, GGG was just waiting for Canelo's yes, and now that he failed against Bivol, he choose to fight GGG so he will beck in the winning track again, however, I don't think it's easy for him to beat GGG, though GGG is quite old but he is not a left over.

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This could have happened before the Bivol fight, but then again they are afraid Canelo might lost to GGG in a trilogy and their chance to take a shot on Bivol might gone.
Well, what else can we expect, sports industry is more of a business now than an actual sport.
GGG is now 40, but I think he still have enough left in his tank to beat Canelo or bring the fight as close as possible.

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Naturally, I am inclined to bet on GGG, because I think he is underestimated. But it may be more logical to bet on a knockout victory, since it is unlikely that he will be given the victory if he slightly outboxes Canello.

The thing is GGG is the challenger here, if the fight were really close, then the judges will decide Canelo will win. Looking on the scorecard where Canelo fought against Bivol, it doesn't make sense the judges scored 115-113 for Bivol, it's obvious won and not even close. I think 117-111/112 is fair considering Bivol almost dominated all the rounds and landed many clean punch.

We know this is a problem with professional boxing, since boxing is a sport of appreciation there is always a chance judges can be bribed or simply have a bias which affects their judgment, without a doubt Bivol won the fight and he did by a wider margin than the official result, still the reputation of Canelo was enough to shorten the difference in the score, for GGG things will be even more difficult because officially he has lost against Canelo already, even if such result was very controversial as well.

If the loss is controversial there should be a succeeding fight to once and for all resolve it, I hate seeing boxers winning by a close margin when you looked at the fight it's not even close, I love to fight that end by knock out or stoppage, there's already a lot of matches in boxing history that are very controversial and deprived boxers of deserving wins.
The first two fights between GGG and Canelo are too close to call I hope they can finally resolve it but I doubt it because they are both good in their last fights.

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Naturally, I am inclined to bet on GGG, because I think he is underestimated. But it may be more logical to bet on a knockout victory, since it is unlikely that he will be given the victory if he slightly outboxes Canello.

The thing is GGG is the challenger here, if the fight were really close, then the judges will decide Canelo will win. Looking on the scorecard where Canelo fought against Bivol, it doesn't make sense the judges scored 115-113 for Bivol, it's obvious won and not even close. I think 117-111/112 is fair considering Bivol almost dominated all the rounds and landed many clean punch.

We know this is a problem with professional boxing, since boxing is a sport of appreciation there is always a chance judges can be bribed or simply have a bias which affects their judgment, without a doubt Bivol won the fight and he did by a wider margin than the official result, still the reputation of Canelo was enough to shorten the difference in the score, for GGG things will be even more difficult because officially he has lost against Canelo already, even if such result was very controversial as well.

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At the age of 31, Canelo looks to be nearing retirement. He appeared to have lost his motivation, or been in too many wars against Bivol.

What sucks for GGG is he has only 1 loss on his record to Canelo. And many felt GGG won both fights. A case could be made for GGG being undefeated at this point in his carer.

GGG might have to knock Canelo out to get a win. Removing the judges from the equation is the only chance he has of winning. Commentators and judges are too biased in Canelo's favor.

Canelo to me is the most overrated boxer in the world. I don't understand how he gets so much hype behind him.

After Bivol destroyed him in the ring, he is not as overrated as before. It confuses me how quickly this fight was announced after the loss to Bivol - is it really done in order to return the “halo” of a big boxer for Canello? GGG is definitely a big name, but he is 40 years old and I will be very upset if Canello wins now just because of his age.

It's true, Bivol with the beating he gave Canelo I think was enough to leave Canelo with almost no chance, it also surprises me that Canelo had a new fight so quickly, I think he has lost something, if everything goes well for Canelo this time could think about the match against GGG, for me GGG needs this fight with him much more, I think it is already a matter of honor and rivalry, for GGG he needs a victory with him more than ever, if GGG manages to have the fight with He may have one more star in his career, but if Canelo loses again I don't think such a fight can take place, I think the fns would not be very interested.

It's more on the unknown territory that he want's to conquer. And then he hit a big wall in front of him in Bivol a legitimate 175 lbs. So Canelo's best weight is 168 lbs, as he looks very slow and has no power and lethargic at LHW. So now in this fight, he goes back to his comfort zone of super middleweight and then it's GGG that will not to go up to 168 lbs. I still think though that GGG is going to be at his best even if at 168 and has a good chance to win in the trilogy.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on May 25, 2022, 12:26:20 PM

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At the age of 31, Canelo looks to be nearing retirement. He appeared to have lost his motivation, or been in too many wars against Bivol.

What sucks for GGG is he has only 1 loss on his record to Canelo. And many felt GGG won both fights. A case could be made for GGG being undefeated at this point in his carer.

GGG might have to knock Canelo out to get a win. Removing the judges from the equation is the only chance he has of winning. Commentators and judges are too biased in Canelo's favor.

Canelo to me is the most overrated boxer in the world. I don't understand how he gets so much hype behind him.

After Bivol destroyed him in the ring, he is not as overrated as before. It confuses me how quickly this fight was announced after the loss to Bivol - is it really done in order to return the “halo” of a big boxer for Canello? GGG is definitely a big name, but he is 40 years old and I will be very upset if Canello wins now just because of his age.

It's true, Bivol with the beating he gave Canelo I think was enough to leave Canelo with almost no chance, it also surprises me that Canelo had a new fight so quickly, I think he has lost something, if everything goes well for Canelo this time could think about the match against GGG, for me GGG needs this fight with him much more, I think it is already a matter of honor and rivalry, for GGG he needs a victory with him more than ever, if GGG manages to have the fight with He may have one more star in his career, but if Canelo loses again I don't think such a fight can take place, I think the fns would not be very interested.

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Naturally, I am inclined to bet on GGG, because I think he is underestimated. But it may be more logical to bet on a knockout victory, since it is unlikely that he will be given the victory if he slightly outboxes Canello.

The thing is GGG is the challenger here, if the fight were really close, then the judges will decide Canelo will win. Looking on the scorecard where Canelo fought against Bivol, it doesn't make sense the judges scored 115-113 for Bivol, it's obvious won and not even close. I think 117-111/112 is fair considering Bivol almost dominated all the rounds and landed many clean punch.

And that is what being the top crowd drawer can bring into the table. Not accusing the judges, but it seems that they really favor Canelo. Here he is the obvious loser, but as you can see, the one judge try to make the score closer but it's absurd because we really know who really win and that is not the right score. So still, thing kind of "biased judging" should be look upon in this fight. Otherwise, it will open up another round of controversies from boxing media and fans alike.

All eyes will be on the judge for this fight for sure. And the organization should assure GGG that they will get a fair judges and referee as well because this could be the biggest event of the year and it's going to be sad to see GGG being rob again in this fight. On the other hand, if GGG doesn't want to go to the judges score card then he has to win very clear, a knock out against Canelo is very hard to get, but we've seen a lot of legendary and great boxers at one point in their career has their chin being exposed.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on June 01, 2022, 06:36:55 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on May 30, 2022, 12:43:54 PM

Naturally, I am inclined to bet on GGG, because I think he is underestimated. But it may be more logical to bet on a knockout victory, since it is unlikely that he will be given the victory if he slightly outboxes Canello.

The thing is GGG is the challenger here, if the fight were really close, then the judges will decide Canelo will win. Looking on the scorecard where Canelo fought against Bivol, it doesn't make sense the judges scored 115-113 for Bivol, it's obvious won and not even close. I think 117-111/112 is fair considering Bivol almost dominated all the rounds and landed many clean punch.

And that is what being the top crowd drawer can bring into the table. Not accusing the judges, but it seems that they really favor Canelo. Here he is the obvious loser, but as you can see, the one judge try to make the score closer but it's absurd because we really know who really win and that is not the right score. So still, thing kind of "biased judging" should be look upon in this fight. Otherwise, it will open up another round of controversies from boxing media and fans alike.

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Quote from: KTChampions on May 30, 2022, 12:43:54 PM

Naturally, I am inclined to bet on GGG, because I think he is underestimated. But it may be more logical to bet on a knockout victory, since it is unlikely that he will be given the victory if he slightly outboxes Canello.

The thing is GGG is the challenger here, if the fight were really close, then the judges will decide Canelo will win. Looking on the scorecard where Canelo fought against Bivol, it doesn't make sense the judges scored 115-113 for Bivol, it's obvious won and not even close. I think 117-111/112 is fair considering Bivol almost dominated all the rounds and landed many clean punch.

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Although definitely, despite the odds, certainly GGG will still do his best to get this win since he is already in his retirement age. Any boxer would want and dream to have a win on their last fight. I guess this is self-explanatory. Hopefully, this will really push through and no nuisance will occur.

Don't count it as their last fight it might start a new beginning of their matchup, they have not fought for many years and have fought many different opponents and there's an improvement or diminished performance, its a new ball game actually I don't see them get it on where they left, they will size up each other and check if it's the same boxer he met twice.
I have not yet seen their face-off and it will be interesting how will it play out if they meet again after all these years.

No, I don't expect another fight after this whoever wins the fight. GGG is not getting any younger, though he can still fight but one day he will realize that it's about time to hang the gloves and enjoy retirement. We should not miss this trilogy as it could be GGG's last fight, and as his fan, I'm hoping he will win against Canelo, that would be a great achievement before he retires.

I'm also rooting for GGG's success in this fight, though I'm a fan both Canelo and GGG but I would rather see the latter to win in this fight because just like your reasons, this might be GGG's last fight. I would love to see him getting a win if ever he decides to hang up his gloves, the man has been a legendary to this industry and known for his hard chin. Though I'm not the one to decide but Canelo should let GGG to win in this trilogy because neither a win or lose on Canelo's side would hype or ruin his name as this fight is already an exhibition fight to me and not a professional fight.

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Waited for ages to get this trilogy fight. But now I am not that excited. Canelo agreed to this fight only after knowing that Golovkin's prime days are over. The trilogy fight is occurring 4 years after Canelo vs Golovkin 2. Ideally Canelo should have agreed to the fight in 2019, or the latest by 2020. Now Golovkin is already 40 years old and his prime days may be over. As the odds predict, I am not expecting much from the Kazakh legend now. He maybe able to put a tough fight and may last the full 12 rounds, and that is all.

As expected, there will be comments like these. This shows how active we are in the world of boxing because we can say that a certain fight is or was a mismatch including this trilogy. Even if Canelo himself won't admit that he's not afraid of GGG but it's so clear and he cannot deny that fact that GGG is one of those boxers who pushed him into corners and had a hard time.

That is also why Canelo vocally said there's no need for a trilogy because he won the 2 fights when in-fact the 1st match was a draw and it was a close bout. Now, Canelo agreed because GGG is already at his verge of retiring this industry and the latter is not that fully capable of defeating Canelo unlike if he had given a trilogy early 2020.

I believe that if Canelo will win, the people and the fans won't be impressed about it. But who knows, maybe GGG can still manage to give Canelo another upset followed by that defeat against Bivol.

I go with your statement, Even Canelo will win this fight. There's no impact on his name anymore, unlike if GGG wins this fight the hypes

before he retires his gloves will really impacting to his career. We don't know if how the fight will be ended and how both fighters will

comes up with their respective strategy, as long as we will all be entertained it's good enough in finally see the trilogy of this fight,

it's long been waited and now it's finally here.

Exactly, people know the story behind this trilogy and winning for the 2nd time in this trilogy won't give him much benefit and hype because he will be just remembered as the man who got defeated and seek vengeance towards the man who's already at the verge of retiring as a pro boxer.

For me, I would love to see GGG winning for the last time before he decides to hang up his gloves. I certainly believe this is his last battle and the last route of the Big Drama.

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I am glad that this match is finally happening. The only thing I want is to have a honest jury. Adalaide Byrd made a mockery during the first fight and people like me lost our trust with boxing because of that. IMO, GGG won the first match although the jury handed it out as a draw. And in the second match, it was more like a draw, but the jury awarded it to Canelo. As such I don't have anything against Canelo, but it won't be unfair to him if I claim that without the help from the jury he wouldn't have defeated Golovkin in 2018.

Maybe this time they will get a compete judge to score the fight between the two. If I'm not mistaken, Byrd was suspended as a boxing judge after her scoring of the first fight, and if my memory serves me right, she retired after this controversy.

Anyhow, still a long way to go before this fight but it seems we really can't wait for it to happen. A lot of pros and cons and I will say that this fight could still be as close as the other 2, very hard to score.

Just hoping that this time the scoring will be done in an unbiased manner. As I had posted earlier, I don't believe that GGG holds an advantage for this match. That said, Canelo Álvarez is not in very good form either. A few weeks ago, he lost to Dmitry Bivol (and that too in the United States, with all that home advantage and thousands of fans cheering for him). BTW, it will be good to get a Golovkin vs Bivol fight in the future.

And there is a similarity between Golovkin and Bivol. Both of them were born in Central Asia. Golovkin was born in Kazakhstan, while Bivol was born in the neighboring Kyrgyzstan. And for both Golovkin and Bivol, on fathers side they are European (Golovkin's father is ethnic Russian, while Bivol's father is ethnic Moldvin), and on mother's side they are Korean.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 30, 2022, 10:12:25 PM

I am glad that this match is finally happening. The only thing I want is to have a honest jury. Adalaide Byrd made a mockery during the first fight and people like me lost our trust with boxing because of that. IMO, GGG won the first match although the jury handed it out as a draw. And in the second match, it was more like a draw, but the jury awarded it to Canelo. As such I don't have anything against Canelo, but it won't be unfair to him if I claim that without the help from the jury he wouldn't have defeated Golovkin in 2018.

Maybe this time they will get a compete judge to score the fight between the two. If I'm not mistaken, Byrd was suspended as a boxing judge after her scoring of the first fight, and if my memory serves me right, she retired after this controversy.

Anyhow, still a long way to go before this fight but it seems we really can't wait for it to happen. A lot of pros and cons and I will say that this fight could still be as close as the other 2, very hard to score.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 30, 2022, 10:12:25 PM

I am glad that this match is finally happening. The only thing I want is to have a honest jury. Adalaide Byrd made a mockery during the first fight and people like me lost our trust with boxing because of that. IMO, GGG won the first match although the jury handed it out as a draw. And in the second match, it was more like a draw, but the jury awarded it to Canelo. As such I don't have anything against Canelo, but it won't be unfair to him if I claim that without the help from the jury he wouldn't have defeated Golovkin in 2018.

Many boxing fans are of this opinion and accuse Canello of running away from GGG for a long time because he was afraid of him. It is all the more a shame that now this fight will be held when GGG is already very old and Canello will most likely defeat him without any problems. As I wrote earlier, GGG had to make a strong move and refuse to fight with him, and fight, for example, with Bivol Grin

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Why are we judging this fight too early? Canelo is too arrogant if he is looking for his next fight after this, I think he should focus first on this fight as although GGG is quite old but he is a tough opponent, Canelo could not even dominate GGG in the last 2 fights they had againts each other.

Because during this 4 years pause Canelo has improved his skills and has entered his prime form, and GGG just became 4 years older. Look at boxers Canelo has fought after their second fight and GGG. Steve Rolls, top 39 in the world, Derevyachenko - top8, Szeremeta - top41, Murata - top10. While Canelo tried himself in different division and top2-top5 opponents all the time.

In addition, this 9 year difference is huge. It would be nothing if Canelo was 25 and GGG 34. But it is 31 and 40. Look on the age of current champions and those who are top3. Everyone are 30 +/- few years. GGG is like a dinosaur among them. If his skill is close to Canelo, than his stamina is not. He can compete with Canelo in early rounds, and in the second part of the fight he wont be that quick as Canelo.

The only was I see GGG could win, if Canelo will be loading his one KO punch all the time and GGG would follow Bivol tactics, throw combos and gain points. If Canelo would go for a knockout, then one again judges would decide the outcome of this fight. If both with go gaining points, then this time Canelo will honestly won by points.

Totally agree with you. I can add that if this fight had not been prepared for a long time, then after the loss to Bivol, holding such a fight would be like Golovkin helping Canello restore his name. Despite his age, Golovkin is an elite boxer and defeating him is a significant achievement for any boxer. In general, despite the respect for both boxers, this fight at the moment causes more negative than positive emotions.

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