Topic: [Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 (September 17) - page 6. (Read 8918 times)

I have a lot of respect for Dave Moretti, but unfortunately I don't agree with his scoring for both the matches. In the first match, he had Golovkin winning by 115-113, when it was 116-112 or 117-111 in reality. And in the second match also he was wrong. He had Canelo winning by 115-113, and I don't think that this score is a good representation of what happened in the ring. Same goes with Steve Weisfeld. I haven't heard about David Sutherland much and he seems to be someone who stays clear of controversies. 

I'm also looking forward to see if how both will showcase their new and enhance fighting strategy.

It's been a long waited rematch and for sure both fighters will love to entertain the fans and bring more satisfying
toe-to-toe exchanges of punches.

I like your observation about how both fighters should win if the decision takes place, if they don't want another controversial
they needed to win it wide edge scoring advantages.

Nah man! GGG is showing the opposite thing, look at him smiling widely and entertaining the public which exactly shows how confident and happy he is that after a long time, he is now fighting Canelo for the 3rd time in same place. This is his first fight with Canelo in 168 pounds but he said that he is not that worried of the extra weight, tacos will suffice.

Yes, Mexico is celebrating their Independence Day this coming weekend and surely there will be a lot more Mexicans who will cheer and watch Canelo. I don't know how would he feel if he will be defeated in this precious weekend, I'm excited to find out.

Whaat? The voting is opposite to the actual betting market. Are you people sure that Golovkin will win? Did you cast your bets on Golovkin already?


I agree with @FinneysTrueVision's analysis. This match will end with Canelo winning by a wide decision or a late stoppage. If Canelo had stamina problem due to the excess weight at 175 it might also happen to Golovkin. Golovkin is not big and he is used to fighting as a middleweight for the most part of his career. Additional weight on Golovkin might affect his stamina. And given his old age, the excess weight might also make him slower which will be dangerous to Canelo's powerful attacks.

These are veteran judges they know the weight of judging this fight fairly, but judges are human too, all the big fights that ended in a decision have some controversy in them, for GGG to win by decision it should be a performance like what Bivol did to Canelo when they meet, so he can win by unanimous decision for Canelo to win by decision it should be a performance like he did to Caleb Plant, the first three rounds are very important, we'll see if its the continuation of the first two fights, I hope to see something different on both fighters.

Yep it has been announced who's the judges in this fight


Dave Moretti has favoring to GGG on the first match, but he's favoring to Canelo on the second match, I think he judgement is fair enough since I consider GGG performance on the first match was better than the second.

Steve Weisfeld only become judges on the second match and he's favoring to Canelo too, while David Sutherland is new name on Canelo vs GGG fight. Looking how he gave a score [1] it seems that he's kind of judge who favor to favorited boxer.

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[1] https://boxrec.com/en/judge/402543

The stamina problem of Canelo might be when he move up to LHW, as we can see it's either Bivol punches that have slow him down or that Canelo is really getting tired because of this new added weight on this body at 175. For Golovkin it's a relief that he will be fighting at 168 lbs, so there's no need for him to drain his body and maybe it will benefit him to be more stronger than ever. And notice how big Golovkin head is, I even heard from other comments (not in this community), that it is Kazakhs, juice, lol.

If Canelo will allow GGG to see some good openings, I'm pretty sure that he will not waste his time trying to throw solid combinations in bringing Canelo down. Knowing the type of fighter GGG was, he will never take anything for granted if chances give him the opportunity to box and corner his opponents.

But it is also the same with Canelo. If GGG will give Canelo that chance it can turn against him, I remember GGG's fight against Murata, where he gave
the Jap fighter that chance to throw and convert solid combos, if that will be given to Canelo, we might conclude the outcome in an instance.

I'm not degrading Murata but Canelo's type of punching power, mostly will KO, his opponent.

I would like to see GGG do well and make it an entertaining fight. I have to agree with the consensus that Canelo is a heavy favorite. It is not just about age. The size difference might also be a factor. Canelo has been fighting super middleweights and light heavyweights in recent years while Golovkin has remained at middleweight. Maybe if Canelo has stamina problems, GGG might find a way to win rounds but the most likely outcome in my opinion is Canelo by wide decision or perhaps even late stoppage.

Golovkin says in a pre-match interview that he has a lot of plans besides this fight with Canelo, so it looks like he's not going to leave anyway. When asked about a possible fourth fight with Canelo, GGG stated that he also does not rule out a similar outcome from this trilogy. And by the way, an interesting fact is that in his entire boxing career, including amateur boxing, Golovkin has never even been in knockdown.

Is the judges name have been announce already?
The reason why I'm asking is that we need to get the names of them and see if they have previously been involved in some unfair scoring or maybe they are on the Canelo's bandwagon?

I think that will be the aim for both of them, then will want to finished the fight as early and not let it go to the judges hands because there could be another controversy and the boxing community will surely be in an uproar if the judges didn't get it right again.

Canelo has nothing to gain and GGG has nothing to lose. That summarizes the situation from the current fight. If Canelo had accepted the challenge in 2019 and decisively defeated Golovkin, then he could have been hailed as the champion. But that was not the case. He delayed the fight needlessly for 2.5 years, so that GGG would get old. Now Golovkin is no longer in his prime and even if Canelo manages to defeat him (without the support from the judges), he won't be able to take a lot of credit for that win.

Indeed! I don't even know why these so called experts are so hyped even if they cannot exactly predict what will be the outcome of the match, they are just basing everything on age and recent performance that's why they are saying that every odds are in favor of Canelo. I for one doesn't believe these experts and only rely on my analysis.


Yes, Canelo will be hailed as the true winner if he will win in this trilogy but I don't think it will add some value to his career because GGG is not that kind of a trophy anymore in their case.
But if GGG will win then his value will indeed increase while Canelo will be devalued for getting defeated by a man who is already at the retirement stage and of course for being defeated twice in a row, all that happened in one year alone.

Aside from GGG, the whole public and the boxing industry knows about that too that's why I'm thinking that the judges this time might refrain from their habits of helping Canelo in terms of scores if ever the fight will get to the judge's hand once again. However, GGG shouldn't rely from that alone and should do his job as well in finishing the fight as early as he could so that the fight won't reach into the judge's hands.

Well apart from the fact that this is something that only we fans can decide on a bet, the truth is that right now I don't know who to bet on, it's incredible, because I see both boxers at the same level, and that makes it difficult for me, for me I don't think so there is a lot of limitation in age, I think that an older boxer should be more careful than a young and rookie who has no idea of ??the trajectory of his opponent, or who simply does not care, for me these things are irrelevant, because I clearly evaluate the strategy and the capacity they have in strength and resistance, that is why I insist that hopefully this fight should not be decided by the judges, it would be something sad and at the same time annoying.

For me, GGG has always been one of the most iconic boxers, I would not like him to retire, because there is the possibility that if he wins, they would look for more fights, and it is not a bad thing, quite the opposite, and GGG could be thinking that They are new opportunities for him, I am not in favor of a boxer serving less or losing talent when he gets older, I think this does not apply in boxing, because he has much more to offer, on the other hand, Canelo has many reasons why can win, the doors would be opening for him in everything again, and possibly as I have said before, a rematch against Bivol, I think this is his first objective.


Yes, in fact GGG has many opportunities to win, it is not a lie that at 40 years old some things can be slowed down like skills, but having a talent like him is difficult, if we look at the hero of the Mexicans, yes, in fact it is a very good representation, I don't know if you remember the singer, a Mexican boxer who is also a singer, he was also a great promise in the featherweight, he is very good, but now Canelo has a pending ditch with Bivol, the fight against GGG is important but I say that the rematch he has against Bivol is much more relevant, because the Mexican did not look very good, so he has to clean his name.

He can continue to rep the Mexicans though even if he losses this fight. And he has a lot of fans around the world, not just Mexicans so again, he will have a lot of support same with Golovkin.

Yes, it's true that he is the favorite even if Bivol beat him is because of the age gap. Golovkin is 40 years old and there could be sign that he is already slowing down. On the other hand, Canelo at the peak of this career and they are fighting at this weight class.

This could possibly be the last time they will meet in the ring, Golovkin already hint at retirement the worse thing that could happen is the fight will end where the decision will go to the judges and the result could go either way, The Boxing Commission should see to it that they let judges who are fair and with a good reputation to handle the fight so the result will be acceptable to the boxing community, but it's better than the fight ends in stoppage so the result is final and will not be debatable.

That's why it's necessary that Canelo will win this fight so he will continue to represent the Mexicans.

The age gap and the standing are the basis why Canelo is still the favorite, also, he won the last fight so it's no surprise that he is listed as the favorite, what I'm surprised with is that he is a huge heavy favorite.

Yes, it's obvious that there is a language barrier for GGG, but in any case, he just expressed his appreciation to those who went and watch their face-off. I still remember Osar Dela Hoya being the face of Mexican boxing for many years and Sept is his fighting month, now it's Canelo Alvarez turn.

And Canelo is still a huge favorite, no surprises here, but hopefully GGG will give us a want we wanted to see. And I agree about the call to the judges to be fair just in case this fight is going to end in their hands.

I see you discussing Canelo and GGG weight. What do you think about following: GGG has only one fight in super middleweight division against Murata. Before that, he has never been in that weight. On the other hand, Canelo already had 4 fights as a super middleweight and several fights as a light heavy. That might be an advantage for Canelo. And a disadvantage as well. As on a scales they both will be super middleweight, but at a day fight Canelo will be bigger, stronger, slower. Do you think that experience in fighting in a several lbs division is useful or worthless ?