[Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 (September 17) - page 9.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 13, 2022, 08:02:34 AM

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I agree that a fourth fight should take place months after the trilogy as GGG is running out of time and it would be unfair for Canelo this time if he wins as he will be beating an old man.

Nothing is unfair. Golovkin wanted the trilogy fight in Q1 or Q2 2019. Alvarez delayed it giving the silliest of the excuses. He agreed to this fight after 3.5 years. If he gets beaten, then he can blame himself. GGG is already 40 years old. And he has nothing to lose. Even if he gets defeated, he can claim that he's not in his prime. That is not the case with Canelo. If somehow he gets beaten, then his entire reputation will be tarnished (especially after the refusal to fight in 2019). Canelo needs to be extremely careful. His career is at stake here.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 13, 2022, 06:55:08 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on September 13, 2022, 06:28:24 AM

Would be funny if third fight ends with a draw. It will be obvious that boxing industry is milking fans for PPV and tickets. If Golovkin wins, Canelos primary aim will be saving his reputation or as he says "His legacy". He would need an opponent he can persuasively win. That means Golovkin should wait for a fourth fight half a year minimum. For him waiting isnt good, so he probably would have another opponent. That means they might meet for the fourth time in about 1-1.5 years. By that time GGG will retire two times Cheesy

So imho there wont be a fourth fight.

Let me clear on this. There won't be any fourth fight irrespective of the outcome from this match. Golovkin is already 40 years old and in 1-2 years he may retire from professional boxing. If he wins this fight (there is no chance of a 4th fight if Canelo wins), then I don't think that he will agree to another one, just to give Canelo something to brag about. If by some miracle both of them agree for a 4th fight, I am not sure how competitive it will be. If they plan in the next 6 months, then there is a chance. But this is professional boxing and that is not how things work out.

@Sithara007, I think there is no way that a 4th fight is going to happen between them. This is going to be the decider. I actually agree with GGG that this is going to be essential for his legacy. And I don't think there is anything going to be planned between them in the next 6 months. I really don't see any fight happening between them in the future anymore. It just does not seem realistic at all. This is going to be the final fight between them. In my personal opinion, it doesn't matter who wins in this one, GGG is going to be the better fighter.

@TopTort777,
These are the fights that the fans want to watch. It only makes sense if they want to get the most pay-per-view from these fights. But I don't think this fight is going to end as a draw.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 13, 2022, 06:55:08 AM

Let me clear on this. There won't be any fourth fight irrespective of the outcome from this match. Golovkin is already 40 years old and in 1-2 years he may retire from professional boxing. If he wins this fight (there is no chance of a 4th fight if Canelo wins), then I don't think that he will agree to another one, just to give Canelo something to brag about. If by some miracle both of them agree for a 4th fight, I am not sure how competitive it will be. If they plan in the next 6 months, then there is a chance. But this is professional boxing and that is not how things work out.

You may have a point on this one mate, if ever GGG wins that would be it, and no more fourth fight just like how Juan Manuel Marquez refuses to accept the offer of the fifth fight no matter how big the money involve as he just wants the legacy as the winner of their last fight but if only it is stipulated in the contract that there will be another fight whoever wins then I think a fourth fight is possible.

I agree that a fourth fight should take place months after the trilogy as GGG is running out of time and it would be unfair for Canelo this time if he wins as he will be beating an old man.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 13, 2022, 06:28:24 AM

Would be funny if third fight ends with a draw. It will be obvious that boxing industry is milking fans for PPV and tickets. If Golovkin wins, Canelos primary aim will be saving his reputation or as he says "His legacy". He would need an opponent he can persuasively win. That means Golovkin should wait for a fourth fight half a year minimum. For him waiting isnt good, so he probably would have another opponent. That means they might meet for the fourth time in about 1-1.5 years. By that time GGG will retire two times Cheesy

So imho there wont be a fourth fight.

Yes, that will be odd if the fight ended in a draw because there will be no 4th fight in the future, unfortunately. He will be too old for a 4th fight. So GGG will have to give his everything in this fight and don't let the fans hanging before he retires.

On the other hand, Canelo who is still on his prime can go on with his career, fighter between 168-175 lbs. And maybe his limit will be the CW wherein he might fight in a catchweight.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 13, 2022, 06:55:08 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on September 13, 2022, 06:28:24 AM

Would be funny if third fight ends with a draw. It will be obvious that boxing industry is milking fans for PPV and tickets. If Golovkin wins, Canelos primary aim will be saving his reputation or as he says "His legacy". He would need an opponent he can persuasively win. That means Golovkin should wait for a fourth fight half a year minimum. For him waiting isnt good, so he probably would have another opponent. That means they might meet for the fourth time in about 1-1.5 years. By that time GGG will retire two times Cheesy

So imho there wont be a fourth fight.

Let me clear on this. There won't be any fourth fight irrespective of the outcome from this match. Golovkin is already 40 years old and in 1-2 years he may retire from professional boxing. If he wins this fight (there is no chance of a 4th fight if Canelo wins), then I don't think that he will agree to another one, just to give Canelo something to brag about. If by some miracle both of them agree for a 4th fight, I am not sure how competitive it will be. If they plan in the next 6 months, then there is a chance. But this is professional boxing and that is not how things work out.

We don't know yet when he will retire, Pacman retired at the age of 42 years old, so there's still a chance for Golovkin in case the outcome is a draw or will favor him. Besides, it's always the body that will tell if a fighter can still fight, it's not the age.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 13, 2022, 06:28:24 AM

Would be funny if third fight ends with a draw. It will be obvious that boxing industry is milking fans for PPV and tickets. If Golovkin wins, Canelos primary aim will be saving his reputation or as he says "His legacy". He would need an opponent he can persuasively win. That means Golovkin should wait for a fourth fight half a year minimum. For him waiting isnt good, so he probably would have another opponent. That means they might meet for the fourth time in about 1-1.5 years. By that time GGG will retire two times Cheesy

So imho there wont be a fourth fight.

Let me clear on this. There won't be any fourth fight irrespective of the outcome from this match. Golovkin is already 40 years old and in 1-2 years he may retire from professional boxing. If he wins this fight (there is no chance of a 4th fight if Canelo wins), then I don't think that he will agree to another one, just to give Canelo something to brag about. If by some miracle both of them agree for a 4th fight, I am not sure how competitive it will be. If they plan in the next 6 months, then there is a chance. But this is professional boxing and that is not how things work out.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 13, 2022, 06:28:24 AM

Would be funny if third fight ends with a draw. It will be obvious that boxing industry is milking fans for PPV and tickets. If Golovkin wins, Canelos primary aim will be saving his reputation or as he says "His legacy". He would need an opponent he can persuasively win. That means Golovkin should wait for a fourth fight half a year minimum. For him waiting isnt good, so he probably would have another opponent. That means they might meet for the fourth time in about 1-1.5 years. By that time GGG will retire two times Cheesy

So imho there wont be a fourth fight.

It doesn't matter for me if this fight will end in a draw as long as there's a 4th fight just to determine the winner. Whatever the promoter would think, if they want more fights between the two, well, I'm sure the fans will continue to support it as they are not boring fighters.

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Would be funny if third fight ends with a draw. It will be obvious that boxing industry is milking fans for PPV and tickets. If Golovkin wins, Canelos primary aim will be saving his reputation or as he says "His legacy". He would need an opponent he can persuasively win. That means Golovkin should wait for a fourth fight half a year minimum. For him waiting isnt good, so he probably would have another opponent. That means they might meet for the fourth time in about 1-1.5 years. By that time GGG will retire two times Cheesy

So imho there wont be a fourth fight.

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Quote from: electronicash on September 12, 2022, 10:07:39 PM

the tdlr is that you will know GGG's skill had deteriorated once Jake Paul challenges him. didn't happen yet.

its the official scorecard that counts though. there is still politics in boxing, golden boy is not very different to top rank. predictions are still saying Canelo will win. in bitcointalk users its GGG. Golovkin winning this fight will follow talks about 4th fight too right?

Of course, it's the official scorecard that will count in the end, but it doesn't mean that they are 100% correct though. Just like what happen in first fight.

As for a 4th fight, the fans can demand it if we see that they need another fight to settle the score between the two. And definitely, there is a incentive on the table, financial sense for both camp specially their promoters and networks to sit down again and discussed it.

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the tdlr is that you will know GGG's skill had deteriorated once Jake Paul challenges him. didn't happen yet.

its the official scorecard that counts though. there is still politics in boxing, golden boy is not very different to top rank. predictions are still saying Canelo will win. in bitcointalk users its GGG. Golovkin winning this fight will follow talks about 4th fight too right?

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Quote from: goinmerry on September 12, 2022, 07:39:27 PM

I'm thinking the other way, the fight will not be in slow down phase from the early rounds until the end to settle the score between them without any issues, they should try winning each round as much as possible. There's no need for them to wait on the usual testing skills before releasing their main strategy which is to try to always make a successful blow.

They already met twice, know each capability, know each other, know everything, and many more. Once they stepped onto the ring, they will exchange blows right away and who's the last man standing will be the winner.

This is a third fight between the two. So you are right. Both of them will be having a fair idea about each others strengths and weaknesses. And the match will go down to the wire. IMO, these are two evenly-matched boxers and in all probability there will not be any clear winner. A KO seems very unlikely and the most possible outcome is UD. I won't be surprised if we get SD as well.

BTW, DAZN just published this article:

https://www.dazn.com/en-IN/news/boxing/who-won-canelo-vs-golovkin-1-our-three-judges-rescored-the-fight/14jgx099i1hyp1xftcxjcqhuol

They asked three renowned judges to re-score the first fight between Golovkin and Canelo. The scorecard is as follows (by judge):

Chris Walker: 117-111 for Golovkin
Matt Astbury: 116-112 for Golovkin
Steven Muehlhausen: 116-112 for Golovkin

And this was the official scorecard from the match:

Dave Moretti: 115-113 for Golovkin
Adalaide Byrd: 118-110 for Alvarez
Don Trella: 114-114

It is very clear to me. Golovkin was robbed of a win, not once but twice.

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Quote from: goinmerry on September 12, 2022, 07:39:27 PM

Quote from: BitcoinPanther on September 12, 2022, 02:38:02 PM

So I think the next match would be like a chess match where they will take it slow in the early round finding the possible strategy that will works on their opponent.

I'm thinking the other way, the fight will not be in slow down phase from the early rounds until the end to settle the score between them without any issues, they should try winning each round as much as possible. There's no need for them to wait on the usual testing skills before releasing their main strategy which is to try to always make a successful blow.

They already met twice, know each capability, know each other, know everything, and many more. Once they stepped onto the ring, they will exchange blows right away and who's the last man standing will be the winner.

This is one of the possible things to happen. It could be their approach once the game starts because as you mentioned, they already fought each other more than once and with their previous fights, they surely know now what is the style and strategy of their opponent. They might have practiced and prepared for the counter attacks to score more than the other and to win the rounds and to hopefully, win the match.

But still, we'll never know because they might have changed their fighting style to surprise their opponent. I can say that these both boxers possess good stance and power in fighting so for sure they will give us a thrilling fight. Their bout is about to happen few days from now. Let's wait and see what the result would be. So far, the crowd's favorite is Canelo, but surely the underdog won't let this opportunity to win slip away.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on September 12, 2022, 02:38:02 PM

but Canelo camp might think of that already and possibly already designed a counter strategy on that.

If you are referring to what Dmitry Bivol did against Canelo, I believed there are no counter strategies for that as Bivol is just doing the usual offense, which is trying to connect shots successfully while keeping his defense all the time.

Canelo got irritated that he can't land a punch on Bivol even though he is trying his best and that's what he needs to change, being disappointed and frustrated makes him not focus on his match.

That's what Canelo needs to change and not form a strategy.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on September 12, 2022, 02:38:02 PM

So I think the next match would be like a chess match where they will take it slow in the early round finding the possible strategy that will works on their opponent.

I'm thinking the other way, the fight will not be in slow down phase from the early rounds until the end to settle the score between them without any issues, they should try winning each round as much as possible. There's no need for them to wait on the usual testing skills before releasing their main strategy which is to try to always make a successful blow.

They already met twice, know each capability, know each other, know everything, and many more. Once they stepped onto the ring, they will exchange blows right away and who's the last man standing will be the winner.

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Quote from: virasisog on September 12, 2022, 12:13:09 PM

It will surely be a tough match that Canelo must be prepared for. Golovkin could possibly use the same strategy that Bivol has used against him so he must prepare and train hard to counter all the possible punches that might be thrown at him. He shouldn't feel too confident because Golovkin seems too eager to win this fight.

It is possible since boxer always study their opponen't fight and might use the strategy of Bivol against Canelo but Canelo camp might think of that already and possibly already designed a counter strategy on that. Both camp are sure working hard in finding exploits and weaknesses of their opponent. So I think the next match would be like a chess match where they will take it slow in the early round finding the possible strategy that will works on their opponent.

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Quote from: Questat on September 12, 2022, 10:40:39 AM

We will find out soon if GGG has really designed a plan to improve, otherwise, he will again fail and there's no reason for the right to happen again. More like it's his last chance to prove that judges in the past made a wrong decision not making him the winner, so the pressure here is not only on Canelo but also on GGG as well.

Both of them have the same pressure, but its Canelo who should have a big concern, fighter coming from a big loss should have a tune-up first before a big fight but he is in a big fight right away and of all fighters, it's against his bitter rival Golovkin, Golovkin will pick the fight and will try to imitate what Bivol has done to him good counter punching and bully the bully attitude, if he can do what Bivol has done in the first three rounds he'll take Canelo's confidence, and frustrate him.

It will surely be a tough match that Canelo must be prepared for. Golovkin could possibly use the same strategy that Bivol has used against him so he must prepare and train hard to counter all the possible punches that might be thrown at him. He shouldn't feel too confident because Golovkin seems too eager to win this fight.

I am sure that both camps are studying their strategies here as they both need to perform great on this upcoming fight.
Few more days and we will see this match. Will it be the final call for GGG in boxing?
Canelo is still the favorite here but we can always expect upset especially in this sports.
I guess, your PPV purchase here would be really worth because they are really both great boxers to watch out for.
And no rumors or anything about possible suspension or delays, so this is a full go this coming 17th.

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Quote from: Questat on September 12, 2022, 10:40:39 AM

We will find out soon if GGG has really designed a plan to improve, otherwise, he will again fail and there's no reason for the right to happen again. More like it's his last chance to prove that judges in the past made a wrong decision not making him the winner, so the pressure here is not only on Canelo but also on GGG as well.

Both of them have the same pressure, but its Canelo who should have a big concern, fighter coming from a big loss should have a tune-up first before a big fight but he is in a big fight right away and of all fighters, it's against his bitter rival Golovkin, Golovkin will pick the fight and will try to imitate what Bivol has done to him good counter punching and bully the bully attitude, if he can do what Bivol has done in the first three rounds he'll take Canelo's confidence, and frustrate him.

It will surely be a tough match that Canelo must be prepared for. Golovkin could possibly use the same strategy that Bivol has used against him so he must prepare and train hard to counter all the possible punches that might be thrown at him. He shouldn't feel too confident because Golovkin seems too eager to win this fight.

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Quote from: Questat on September 12, 2022, 10:40:39 AM

We will find out soon if GGG has really designed a plan to improve, otherwise, he will again fail and there's no reason for the right to happen again. More like it's his last chance to prove that judges in the past made a wrong decision not making him the winner, so the pressure here is not only on Canelo but also on GGG as well.

Both of them have the same pressure, but its Canelo who should have a big concern, fighter coming from a big loss should have a tune-up first before a big fight but he is in a big fight right away and of all fighters, it's against his bitter rival Golovkin, Golovkin will pick the fight and will try to imitate what Bivol has done to him good counter punching and bully the bully attitude, if he can do what Bivol has done in the first three rounds he'll take Canelo's confidence, and frustrate him.

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Quote from: harizen on September 12, 2022, 10:17:58 AM

Quote from: Kelvinid on September 12, 2022, 08:31:40 AM

Sure they are already finding ways to find the weakness of Canelo, and since Canelo lose on his previous fight, then I guess they know already the weakness of Canelo. However, this is a different fight though as GGG is not Bivol, and Canelo won the previous fight against him, so it's still a tough challenge.

We can assume that GGG's camp already watched the Canelo-Bivol fight to make it a reference to their planned strategy but not to the point they will create a new one just designed specifically for Canelo. They watched it to just see how it turned out that Bivol was able to give a touch match to Canelo.

Finding Canelo's weakness is not making sense. Why find the weakness as a priority instead of just improving what GGG is capable of, which is his strength. Look at how Bivol just does his usual boxing style against Canelo. Even GGG is not Bivol as you mentioned, the same logic applies.

We will find out soon if GGG has really designed a plan to improve, otherwise, he will again fail and there's no reason for the right to happen again. More like it's his last chance to prove that judges in the past made a wrong decision not making him the winner, so the pressure here is not only on Canelo but also on GGG as well.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on September 12, 2022, 08:31:40 AM

Sure they are already finding ways to find the weakness of Canelo, and since Canelo lose on his previous fight, then I guess they know already the weakness of Canelo. However, this is a different fight though as GGG is not Bivol, and Canelo won the previous fight against him, so it's still a tough challenge.

We can assume that GGG's camp already watched the Canelo-Bivol fight to make it a reference to their planned strategy but not to the point they will create a new one just designed specifically for Canelo. They watched it to just see how it turned out that Bivol was able to give a touch match to Canelo.

Finding Canelo's weakness is not making sense. Why find the weakness as a priority instead of just improving what GGG is capable of, which is his strength. Look at how Bivol just does his usual boxing style against Canelo. Even GGG is not Bivol as you mentioned, the same logic applies.

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