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Just one to two fights more before we can say that "finally, John Riel Casimero is ready to have his chance to bite the belt", he still need some a little bit more improvement before we can say that he's already that dangerous because as of now, he still displays some weakness like endurance and lack of movement but the good thing is that Casimero eats punches which gives him some chance to stand until he can bounce back.

I agree that his performance against Nghitumbwa was not so good but if there is an opportunity to fight for a championship belt, I think Casimero is good to go, i mean he was a champion back then and if that opportunity comes, he knows what preparation is needed for a championship fight. I'm not saying that he doesn't train for his recent fight but for me, the training was not so intense that I think he was training just to make the weight as he thinks that he could disposed of Nghitumbwa easily but that doesn't happen, he got so overconfident.
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Anyway, for Casimero, he's becoming more and more used to his new weight class and I think he can still improve his performance on his way for the championship belt. He still got some room left before he can face one of the champions before one of them will unify it. Still rooting for him to have that chance especially now that he got successive wins.

Indeed, he still have a lot of room for improvements IF he will cut on his social media involvement like vlogging and things like that. I honestly not satisfied of his performance yet and I'm not convinced  that it was a good win. I feel like he still have something in his tank better than what he just showed us with the Nghitumbwa fight. He seems like short on stamina. I think he needs more focus in practice and body conditioning especially now that he's gradually picking up the pace and building up momentum to win the future fights.

I agree, in the first fight of his career at 122 lbs, we didn't see the best of Casimero as Akaho quit. But this time, he was really push to the limit, but we have seen that he can still carry his power in this division when he throw that left hook and caught Nghitumbwa on the chin.

But if we are going to say see Casimero with his version right now? it might be a difficult fight for him in my opinion. He still needs of that timing, but at least in this fight, he has seen full 12 rounds already and he might have to rethink their training so that he will have more gas left in the fight is going to be extended the whole 12 rounds. But as we have said, this is still a win for him.

Just one to two fights more before we can say that "finally, John Riel Casimero is ready to have his chance to bite the belt", he still need some a little bit more improvement before we can say that he's already that dangerous because as of now, he still displays some weakness like endurance and lack of movement but the good thing is that Casimero eats punches which gives him some chance to stand until he can bounce back.
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Anyway, for Casimero, he's becoming more and more used to his new weight class and I think he can still improve his performance on his way for the championship belt. He still got some room left before he can face one of the champions before one of them will unify it. Still rooting for him to have that chance especially now that he got successive wins.

Indeed, he still have a lot of room for improvements IF he will cut on his social media involvement like vlogging and things like that. I honestly not satisfied of his performance yet and I'm not convinced  that it was a good win. I feel like he still have something in his tank better than what he just showed us with the Nghitumbwa fight. He seems like short on stamina. I think he needs more focus in practice and body conditioning especially now that he's gradually picking up the pace and building up momentum to win the future fights.

I agree, in the first fight of his career at 122 lbs, we didn't see the best of Casimero as Akaho quit. But this time, he was really push to the limit, but we have seen that he can still carry his power in this division when he throw that left hook and caught Nghitumbwa on the chin.

But if we are going to say see Casimero with his version right now? it might be a difficult fight for him in my opinion. He still needs of that timing, but at least in this fight, he has seen full 12 rounds already and he might have to rethink their training so that he will have more gas left in the fight is going to be extended the whole 12 rounds. But as we have said, this is still a win for him.

Many fans notice that he's easily got run out of gas so he need to train more to increase his stamina since this is so important for him to last long in his fight. if he didn't take an action with this issue maybe he's opponent will take advantage of his weakness. But for sure to many things he learn from this fight since he struggle to come up especially on late game on their match up.

I thought the fight will end immediately when Nghitumbwa got knock out but Casimero got tired so good thing he act smart and finish off his opponent by unanimous decision.
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Anyway, for Casimero, he's becoming more and more used to his new weight class and I think he can still improve his performance on his way for the championship belt. He still got some room left before he can face one of the champions before one of them will unify it. Still rooting for him to have that chance especially now that he got successive wins.

Indeed, he still have a lot of room for improvements IF he will cut on his social media involvement like vlogging and things like that. I honestly not satisfied of his performance yet and I'm not convinced  that it was a good win. I feel like he still have something in his tank better than what he just showed us with the Nghitumbwa fight. He seems like short on stamina. I think he needs more focus in practice and body conditioning especially now that he's gradually picking up the pace and building up momentum to win the future fights.

I agree, in the first fight of his career at 122 lbs, we didn't see the best of Casimero as Akaho quit. But this time, he was really push to the limit, but we have seen that he can still carry his power in this division when he throw that left hook and caught Nghitumbwa on the chin.

But if we are going to say see Casimero with his version right now? it might be a difficult fight for him in my opinion. He still needs of that timing, but at least in this fight, he has seen full 12 rounds already and he might have to rethink their training so that he will have more gas left in the fight is going to be extended the whole 12 rounds. But as we have said, this is still a win for him.

Yeah, he and his camp need to rethink about their fighting strategy.

I'm not saying that he was being exposed as Nghitumbwa really fighting so well and manage to absorb his solid punches
it is something that his camp needs to work with proper the executions.

More on picking the timing of solid combinations
and to make it sure that it will take more follow-ups. Not an easy fight and good thing that he manages to continue and
not to run out of gas.
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Anyway, for Casimero, he's becoming more and more used to his new weight class and I think he can still improve his performance on his way for the championship belt. He still got some room left before he can face one of the champions before one of them will unify it. Still rooting for him to have that chance especially now that he got successive wins.

Indeed, he still have a lot of room for improvements IF he will cut on his social media involvement like vlogging and things like that. I honestly not satisfied of his performance yet and I'm not convinced  that it was a good win. I feel like he still have something in his tank better than what he just showed us with the Nghitumbwa fight. He seems like short on stamina. I think he needs more focus in practice and body conditioning especially now that he's gradually picking up the pace and building up momentum to win the future fights.

I agree, in the first fight of his career at 122 lbs, we didn't see the best of Casimero as Akaho quit. But this time, he was really push to the limit, but we have seen that he can still carry his power in this division when he throw that left hook and caught Nghitumbwa on the chin.

But if we are going to say see Casimero with his version right now? it might be a difficult fight for him in my opinion. He still needs of that timing, but at least in this fight, he has seen full 12 rounds already and he might have to rethink their training so that he will have more gas left in the fight is going to be extended the whole 12 rounds. But as we have said, this is still a win for him.
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Anyway, for Casimero, he's becoming more and more used to his new weight class and I think he can still improve his performance on his way for the championship belt. He still got some room left before he can face one of the champions before one of them will unify it. Still rooting for him to have that chance especially now that he got successive wins.

Indeed, he still have a lot of room for improvements IF he will cut on his social media involvement like vlogging and things like that. I honestly not satisfied of his performance yet and I'm not convinced  that it was a good win. I feel like he still have something in his tank better than what he just showed us with the Nghitumbwa fight. He seems like short on stamina. I think he needs more focus in practice and body conditioning especially now that he's gradually picking up the pace and building up momentum to win the future fights.
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Congratulations to John Riel Casimero defeating Fillipus Nghitumbwa via decision to claim the WBO Global Super Bantam. Props to Nghitumbwa "the Energy" who really lives up to this code name. I can't believe this guy survived those power punches and combos from Casimero for 12 rounds, that's a lot of damage but he managed it. And also, I'm a little disappointed with the performance of Casimero he really needs to double up his training for his upcoming matches to shut up his critics. 

With that experienced fighting against a good and powerful fighter, Nghitumbwa will have a good future.

I guess it's not Casimero's fault it just so happened that the opponent are really strong and can absorb those solid combinations, Casimero' attacks shows that he's aiming to impress the fans but it didn't materialize as Nghitumbwa is not willing to give the fight as easy as it has been expected by most fans.

If he could learn for his mistakes maybe he have bright future since if he just maximize the opportunity where Casimero slowing down maybe the phase will be different. But he also slow down that's why he lost to the champ, Nghitumbwa need also to work with his stamina since he already have power. If he could improve and mix up speed and power then provably he will gain more potential with this.

Yes, he was already good enough in-terms of being durable in the middle of the fight and absorbing the opponents punches but he needed to have more than that because by the looks of it, he will never be in a situation where he can face any champion in the division right now as the boxers down the line will be enough to stop him from advancing towards the champion.

Anyway, for Casimero, he's becoming more and more used to his new weight class and I think he can still improve his performance on his way for the championship belt. He still got some room left before he can face one of the champions before one of them will unify it. Still rooting for him to have that chance especially now that he got successive wins.
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Congratulations to John Riel Casimero defeating Fillipus Nghitumbwa via decision to claim the WBO Global Super Bantam. Props to Nghitumbwa "the Energy" who really lives up to this code name. I can't believe this guy survived those power punches and combos from Casimero for 12 rounds, that's a lot of damage but he managed it. And also, I'm a little disappointed with the performance of Casimero he really needs to double up his training for his upcoming matches to shut up his critics. 

With that experienced fighting against a good and powerful fighter, Nghitumbwa will have a good future.

I guess it's not Casimero's fault it just so happened that the opponent are really strong and can absorb those solid combinations, Casimero' attacks shows that he's aiming to impress the fans but it didn't materialize as Nghitumbwa is not willing to give the fight as easy as it has been expected by most fans.

If he could learn for his mistakes maybe he have bright future since if he just maximize the opportunity where Casimero slowing down maybe the phase will be different. But he also slow down that's why he lost to the champ, Nghitumbwa need also to work with his stamina since he already have power. If he could improve and mix up speed and power then provably he will gain more potential with this.
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Good for me to see that Quadro Alas fought a hard way to win. It will surely make him to be more serious in training prior to any of his future match from now on especially if against a non popular boxer.

Kudos to Nghitumbwa for keeping up on his feet the whole match even suffering lots of strong punches from Alas the early rounds.

Casimero recognize Nghitumbwa after the fight and gives him a big thanks. Nice sportmanship.
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Congratulations to John Riel Casimero defeating Fillipus Nghitumbwa via decision to claim the WBO Global Super Bantam. Props to Nghitumbwa "the Energy" who really lives up to this code name. I can't believe this guy survived those power punches and combos from Casimero for 12 rounds, that's a lot of damage but he managed it. And also, I'm a little disappointed with the performance of Casimero he really needs to double up his training for his upcoming matches to shut up his critics. 

With that experienced fighting against a good and powerful fighter, Nghitumbwa will have a good future.

I guess it's not Casimero's fault it just so happened that the opponent are really strong and can absorb those solid combinations, Casimero' attacks shows that he's aiming to impress the fans but it didn't materialize as Nghitumbwa is not willing to give the fight as easy as it has been expected by most fans.
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Congratulations to John Riel Casimero defeating Fillipus Nghitumbwa via decision to claim the WBO Global Super Bantam. Props to Nghitumbwa "the Energy" who really lives up to this code name. I can't believe this guy survived those power punches and combos from Casimero for 12 rounds, that's a lot of damage but he managed it. And also, I'm a little disappointed with the performance of Casimero he really needs to double up his training for his upcoming matches to shut up his critics. 
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I agree. Casimero needs to improve his stamina.  The obvious tiredness, lack of air and speed in later rounds are an indication of his weakness that his opponent might use against him. On the other side, Nghitumbwa is a good boxer as well that if given a chance to improve his skiils and gain experience, certainly he has a chance to become a champion in the future.

Anyway, many fans are looking forward for Casimero to fight Inoue but with his current performance, I don't think it's sufficient to defeat the monster. But at least he won and it's a good opportunity for him to have a bigger match. So congrats to Casimero.
It seems Casimero is looking to win via KO, so he's just keep punching and use all of his power since Nghitumbwa was knockdown in the round sixth, so he believe Nghitumbwa will not able to fight anymore. But Nghitumbwa keep standing until the last round, at least he has a good durability.

Yeah Casimero is still not enough to beat Inoue, Inoue is never tired and always try his best in every round.
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Yes, soon enough that will certainly happen as long as Casimero will continue building his own hype and winning his bouts as well.
As per https://www.boxingscene.com/rankings, John Riel Casimero is now on the #5 in WBO's rankings which give him good chances to fight the winner of Fulton vs Inoue or the Mexican Panter, Luis Nery next. Hopefully that will happen this year too.

It's nice for him to win that fight by dominating his opponent and not giving him a chance to counter back, Casimero is one of a kind because no matter who his opponent is, he doesn't want to run rather he will duel him in the middle of the ring and take his opponent punches. it doesn't mean that he is not hurt by those power punches but the heart of the true champion is flowing in his vein. Just pure boxing and a great duel. He really needs to pursue that fight against Inoue because he deserves to take the chance like others but he really needs good conditioning and training before that. He can take one more fight to further increase his rank and go for Inoue next.
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Many options to choose from but it makes it even harder to choose Grin

I personally will bet on Casimero via decision @ 5.40 and throw some few for Casimero to finish the fight within 10-12 @ 6.40 .. I know that Casimero is looking forward to make some statement in this fight to make a huge climb in the ladder but I will not rule out the factor that Casimero's opponent might turn this into a survival game again. Just to be sure though that's why I took the decision and 10-12, but that's not even guaranteed hehe.
Somehow my bet went through just like how I imagined that this will end in the judge's hand.

Anyway, Congratulations to all bettors who also won this bout, and for John Riel Casimero of course! Cool




Anyway, many fans are looking forward for Casimero to fight Inoue but with his current performance, I don't think it's sufficient to defeat the monster. But at least he won and it's a good opportunity for him to have a bigger match. So congrats to Casimero.

But don't worry yet because that fight will not happen anytime soon. Casimero will continue to fight to improve his ranking, while Inoue has been given an exemption not to go through the journey that Casimero had, since Inoue's championship fight was rescheduled for this July. Let's see the outcome of that, and if Inoue wins, well, maybe Casimero will have a chance to fight him if he becomes a top challenger, assuming Inoue doesn't go directly into a unification fight.

Yes, soon enough that will certainly happen as long as Casimero will continue building his own hype and winning his bouts as well.
As per https://www.boxingscene.com/rankings, John Riel Casimero is now on the #5 in WBO's rankings which give him good chances to fight the winner of Fulton vs Inoue or the Mexican Panter, Luis Nery next. Hopefully that will happen this year too.
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Surprisingly Nghitumbwa lasted til the end of the fight. I find the referee wanting Nghitumbwa to go on fight right away without counting up to 8 when he was knockdown. Luckily Nghitumbwa survived the pounding.

But it's true it's not what people here expect to see a KO end in the early rounds. Nghitumbwa obviously has a bigger physique. Despite Casimero keeps targeting his gas tank, he stands the test. He didn't give an easy fight win for Casimero.
I just finished watching the replay and yes, Nghitumbwa is damn tough. We all know how strong those haymakers Casimero is throwing at him, body and chin, combos, and yet he still stood up and continued the fight.
Unanimous decision. Upon looking at the scorecards, it's just right. Casimero dominated his opponent for most of the rounds and as much I like to see a knockout by being aggressive in the final rounds, he cannot force it so he slowed down or he will make a mistake that would jeopardize his win.

Another title for the Filipinos. How many champions do we have now? 2? Astrolabio lost in a majority decision against Moloney just now. Donaire will be next.
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Anyway, many fans are looking forward for Casimero to fight Inoue but with his current performance, I don't think it's sufficient to defeat the monster. But at least he won and it's a good opportunity for him to have a bigger match. So congrats to Casimero.

But don't worry yet because that fight will not happen anytime soon. Casimero will continue to fight to improve his ranking, while Inoue has been given an exemption not to go through the journey that Casimero had, since Inoue's championship fight was rescheduled for this July. Let's see the outcome of that, and if Inoue wins, well, maybe Casimero will have a chance to fight him if he becomes a top challenger, assuming Inoue doesn't go directly into a unification fight.
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Yes he is, Casimero threw everything but the kitchen sink there were rounds where Casimero stops throwing punches because he couldn't figure out what combination of punches should he throw to knock Nghitumbwa out, Casimero resorted to holding in the latter rounds because of fatigue.
What we've seen here is  Nghitumbwa  is a tough guy who can take a punch and Casimero should have more tune fights before fighting for a world title he is out of the ring for too long before this fight so there was little bit of rust and fatigue easily caught up with him.
Casimero still managed to win though, I guess that moment when Casimero stop throwing punches saved him from this much, I agree that this is a total different fight from Casimero, but the result is still a win. He might be old already and that makes him slower but i think there’s still chance for him, he just need to train more and be active again. Fillipus is also a good boxer but its not enough to stay longer, he should have a better strategy.

He still manage to win since Nghitumbwa also lost his air, he got knock out by casimero and he didn't get great response im return. But todays fight expose Casimero's weakness since he's throwing a lot of power pumch and that make him weak and cannot able to respond heavily until late rounds he seems to be so tired and that is a huge hole to get defeated by his next opponent if he didn't work those things.

I guess he's far to win with Inoue if he show the same performance like this but let see for sure there's improvement eill happen if he face a fast and more dominant fighter.
I agree. Casimero needs to improve his stamina.  The obvious tiredness, lack of air and speed in later rounds are an indication of his weakness that his opponent might use against him. On the other side, Nghitumbwa is a good boxer as well that if given a chance to improve his skiils and gain experience, certainly he has a chance to become a champion in the future.

Anyway, many fans are looking forward for Casimero to fight Inoue but with his current performance, I don't think it's sufficient to defeat the monster. But at least he won and it's a good opportunity for him to have a bigger match. So congrats to Casimero.
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the comments I've been reading about this fight are making me laugh a lot, honestly I asked myself: "what was that about?". I mean, at least for me, Casimero was supposed to win easily in the first or second round and by knockout, but it's unbelievable that Casimiro didn't manage to win by knockout, he showed tiredness in the last rounds, he showed that he wouldn't be able to hold on any longer if the If the fight lasted much longer, Casimero would lose, he doesn't have more resistance than Nghitumbwa, without a doubt that with Casimiro's slow style, his bad performance, he's not on Inoue's level

When I look at this fight, I think about the following: Nghitumbwa doesn't have the good financial conditions that Casimiro has to have the best physical trainers, coaches, marketing agents, he doesn't have the whole system that top fighters or famous international fighters have , but he showed that even with his limited conditions he can fight on equal terms with an international fighter, I think that if Nghitumbwa gets a good physical trainer, coach and all the good financial conditions that international athletes have then he will easily beat Casimero and many top fighters, Fillipus Nghitumbwa is 27 years old and has good potential, he is a rough diamond that if he is well polished can go very far


I have to agree to what you have said above, Team Quadro Alas may have underestimated Nghiyumbwa because of his lack of experience in fighting overseas and that might be the result of Casimero's overconfidence. Kudos to Nghitumbwa for giving Casimero a very competitive fight, he could have not continued after that knockdown in the sixth but he showed resilience and toughness that he could stand up after that scary knockdown.

Styles make a fight that we can't say that Casimero is on not Inoue's level but definitely the latter will be the heavy favorite once they face in the ring and once that happen i know that Casimero's training will be much different that his preparation against Nghitumbwa.

Congrats to all who bet for Casimero via decision, that was a very good odds.

I hope they will change that kind of mentality as it might cost them a fight. You know, Casimero is currently making an impressive journey, and if he loses a fight, it could put his career at risk, potentially depriving him of a chance to compete in a championship fight. The fight he won didn't impress the fans, so I believe Casimero might not easily secure the big fight he desires.

He has slowed down a bit, and his punches aren't as powerful as they were in the past. Therefore, he must work on that problem as he may face tougher opponents in the future. Nevertheless, what's important is that he gets that win, which would be a great treat for his fellow Filipinos who watched the fight.
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Yes he is, Casimero threw everything but the kitchen sink there were rounds where Casimero stops throwing punches because he couldn't figure out what combination of punches should he throw to knock Nghitumbwa out, Casimero resorted to holding in the latter rounds because of fatigue.
What we've seen here is  Nghitumbwa  is a tough guy who can take a punch and Casimero should have more tune fights before fighting for a world title he is out of the ring for too long before this fight so there was little bit of rust and fatigue easily caught up with him.

It looks like this is the answer to Casimero's request since he stated that he was quite not satisfied with the fight against Akaho because it lasted only in 2nd round,  and he wanted to be satisfied on this fight, and yes the fight goes the long way into the hand of the judges.  I bet this time Casimero is fully satisfied with the length of the fight. Grin

Nghitumbwa is surprisingly tough since we had compared this guy against Tete which lead us to think that Tete is way tougher and better than NGhitumbwa but it looks like we are wrong with our assumption.  Regardless, Casimero wins and I also agree that this is a good opportunity to hunt boxers on the top ranking replacing them in their rankings.

Yeah, the comparison is there, Nghitumbwa is tall and has a good job, but maybe Casimero's camp underestimate him that's why he wasn't able to put him down for good.

So who's next for Casimero? I doubt that he will get the winner of Fulton vs Inoue instantly. He will still need to go to other fighters in the WBO ranking because he can fight for the championship.
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the comments I've been reading about this fight are making me laugh a lot, honestly I asked myself: "what was that about?". I mean, at least for me, Casimero was supposed to win easily in the first or second round and by knockout, but it's unbelievable that Casimiro didn't manage to win by knockout, he showed tiredness in the last rounds, he showed that he wouldn't be able to hold on any longer if the If the fight lasted much longer, Casimero would lose, he doesn't have more resistance than Nghitumbwa, without a doubt that with Casimiro's slow style, his bad performance, he's not on Inoue's level

When I look at this fight, I think about the following: Nghitumbwa doesn't have the good financial conditions that Casimiro has to have the best physical trainers, coaches, marketing agents, he doesn't have the whole system that top fighters or famous international fighters have , but he showed that even with his limited conditions he can fight on equal terms with an international fighter, I think that if Nghitumbwa gets a good physical trainer, coach and all the good financial conditions that international athletes have then he will easily beat Casimero and many top fighters, Fillipus Nghitumbwa is 27 years old and has good potential, he is a rough diamond that if he is well polished can go very far


I have to agree to what you have said above, Team Quadro Alas may have underestimated Nghiyumbwa because of his lack of experience in fighting overseas and that might be the result of Casimero's overconfidence. Kudos to Nghitumbwa for giving Casimero a very competitive fight, he could have not continued after that knockdown in the sixth but he showed resilience and toughness that he could stand up after that scary knockdown.

Styles make a fight that we can't say that Casimero is on not Inoue's level but definitely the latter will be the heavy favorite once they face in the ring and once that happen i know that Casimero's training will be much different that his preparation against Nghitumbwa.

Congrats to all who bet for Casimero via decision, that was a very good odds.
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