Topic: [Boxing] Errol Spence Jr vs. Yordenis Ugas 3-Belt Welterweight Unification Match - page 9. (Read 3674 times)

Quote from: Sanitough on April 02, 2022, 08:02:35 AM

We can't be sure if ring rust doesn't affect a fighter even some of the greatest fighter have expecting this kind of effect, so we will have to see how Spence is in the start, maybe he will be sluggish or something and Ugas can take advantage of it. But I agree that it will be a big task even for Ugas to beat a version of Spence that has that ring rust. Because Spence can offset it with his boxing IQ and then when he feels that he has shaken the cobweb, he will make the fight very interesting.

For a boxer like Errol Spence, ring rust is never a factor he can easily go back to his best fighting form in a matter of months and he is not facing a great fighter like Crawford, in the early rounds Ugas may hit a mark but as the round goes on he can manage the distance and after Spence beat Ugas he can have a claim as the best welterweight for having the three title and hopefully a unification fight will come after this.

Crawford would always like a unification fight with Spence but the problem is Spence has not agreed yet.

Let's wait for the result of this fight as for sure if Spence will win, he would be asked if he wants a unification fight with Crawford, and his answer is uncertain, it means it will not happen.

He should not let that pass happen I think it's more than the percentage of the fight each fighter wants to have more share of the pot than the other, if they have a good promoter that will make both fighters a 50/50 share and a share of the PPV it will be good for the community and for the legacy of both fighters, in the '80s, '90s and even in the 2000's the best fighters of their division always go for each other, but now they are avoiding each other.
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That would be too good if only the boxers these days are thinking or have a mindset like that because in times like now, we cannot really expect them to settle in a 50/50 share as their would always a boxer who would really react and bark that he should at least get a 60% on the cake because he thinks he is much more famous or the big man between them. So, I will not be surprise anymore if Spence would use that ticket again that he is entitled of a bigger share than Crawford (I don't know if that's really the reason why he's not accepting Crawford's call).

Anyways, if Spence here will win this fight then we should for sure know the answers for this questions as he will likely be asked about it again.

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Crawford would always like a unification fight with Spence but the problem is Spence has not agreed yet.

Let's wait for the result of this fight as for sure if Spence will win, he would be asked if he wants a unification fight with Crawford, and his answer is uncertain, it means it will not happen.

Things have changed now, mate. That was an old issue before but not the case today.

Before it was because of the possible purse split but that can be properly dealt with now. Spence will face Terence Crawford next if he beats Ugas in their upcoming match. There's no other way. There was shared news here that Spence mentioned he only has 2 fights left before moving up, that was against Ugas and Crawford.

I don't think there's another boxer who should be in the story except for Ugas, a sure one already, and possible, Crawford.

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 02, 2022, 08:02:35 AM

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We can't be sure if ring rust doesn't affect a fighter even some of the greatest fighter have expecting this kind of effect, so we will have to see how Spence is in the start, maybe he will be sluggish or something and Ugas can take advantage of it. But I agree that it will be a big task even for Ugas to beat a version of Spence that has that ring rust. Because Spence can offset it with his boxing IQ and then when he feels that he has shaken the cobweb, he will make the fight very interesting.

For a boxer like Errol Spence, ring rust is never a factor he can easily go back to his best fighting form in a matter of months and he is not facing a great fighter like Crawford, in the early rounds Ugas may hit a mark but as the round goes on he can manage the distance and after Spence beat Ugas he can have a claim as the best welterweight for having the three title and hopefully a unification fight will come after this.

Crawford would always like a unification fight with Spence but the problem is Spence has not agreed yet.

Let's wait for the result of this fight as for sure if Spence will win, he would be asked if he wants a unification fight with Crawford, and his answer is uncertain, it means it will not happen.

He should not let that pass happen I think it's more than the percentage of the fight each fighter wants to have more share of the pot than the other, if they have a good promoter that will make both fighters a 50/50 share and a share of the PPV it will be good for the community and for the legacy of both fighters, in the '80s, '90s and even in the 2000's the best fighters of their division always go for each other, but now they are avoiding each other.
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We can't be sure if ring rust doesn't affect a fighter even some of the greatest fighter have expecting this kind of effect, so we will have to see how Spence is in the start, maybe he will be sluggish or something and Ugas can take advantage of it. But I agree that it will be a big task even for Ugas to beat a version of Spence that has that ring rust. Because Spence can offset it with his boxing IQ and then when he feels that he has shaken the cobweb, he will make the fight very interesting.

For a boxer like Errol Spence, ring rust is never a factor he can easily go back to his best fighting form in a matter of months and he is not facing a great fighter like Crawford, in the early rounds Ugas may hit a mark but as the round goes on he can manage the distance and after Spence beat Ugas he can have a claim as the best welterweight for having the three title and hopefully a unification fight will come after this.

Crawford would always like a unification fight with Spence but the problem is Spence has not agreed yet.

Let's wait for the result of this fight as for sure if Spence will win, he would be asked if he wants a unification fight with Crawford, and his answer is uncertain, it means it will not happen.

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Quote from: Japinat on April 01, 2022, 02:30:48 PM

We can't be sure if ring rust doesn't affect a fighter even some of the greatest fighter have expecting this kind of effect, so we will have to see how Spence is in the start, maybe he will be sluggish or something and Ugas can take advantage of it. But I agree that it will be a big task even for Ugas to beat a version of Spence that has that ring rust. Because Spence can offset it with his boxing IQ and then when he feels that he has shaken the cobweb, he will make the fight very interesting.

For a boxer like Errol Spence, ring rust is never a factor he can easily go back to his best fighting form in a matter of months and he is not facing a great fighter like Crawford, in the early rounds Ugas may hit a mark but as the round goes on he can manage the distance and after Spence beat Ugas he can have a claim as the best welterweight for having the three title and hopefully a unification fight will come after this.

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Quote from: herurist on April 01, 2022, 02:23:21 PM

The ring of rust probably doesn't really apply to Spence in my opinion, because indeed it would be quite the opposite to say he is like that now even though he hasn't fought in quite a while but the word rust would only be one of the jokes for him in my opinion.

Maybe there's a little impact on the coming fight, but I would say that Spence is still in his prime and he will be able to stay fit and ready during the fight. Not being able to have a professional fight but keeping himself to the gym still makes him a dangerous fighter IMO.

Quote from: herurist on April 01, 2022, 02:23:21 PM

It's really difficult for Ugas right now even though he's the seed of choice, his only choice is to keep looking ahead and keep crashing because a defensive strategy won't have much effect

I'm sure he knows that himself, and since Spence is a different animal, he has to deal it differently.

We can't be sure if ring rust doesn't affect a fighter even some of the greatest fighter have expecting this kind of effect, so we will have to see how Spence is in the start, maybe he will be sluggish or something and Ugas can take advantage of it. But I agree that it will be a big task even for Ugas to beat a version of Spence that has that ring rust. Because Spence can offset it with his boxing IQ and then when he feels that he has shaken the cobweb, he will make the fight very interesting.

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Quote from: herurist on April 01, 2022, 02:23:21 PM

The ring of rust probably doesn't really apply to Spence in my opinion, because indeed it would be quite the opposite to say he is like that now even though he hasn't fought in quite a while but the word rust would only be one of the jokes for him in my opinion.

Maybe there's a little impact on the coming fight, but I would say that Spence is still in his prime and he will be able to stay fit and ready during the fight. Not being able to have a professional fight but keeping himself to the gym still makes him a dangerous fighter IMO.

Quote from: herurist on April 01, 2022, 02:23:21 PM

It's really difficult for Ugas right now even though he's the seed of choice, his only choice is to keep looking ahead and keep crashing because a defensive strategy won't have much effect

I'm sure he knows that himself, and since Spence is a different animal, he has to deal it differently.

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I doubt it, his trainer knows better, every fighter is different, there is no one size fits all strategy. Besides, Manny is already old had cramps that's why his game plan is also different.

The strategy in the match will always be different even though the trainer will apply the same strategy as an opportunity to win, in fact it is more accurate when matches such as the Ugas vs Manny fight take advantage of the age factor to continue to attack rather than defend, but fighting with Spence must be prepared with the right strategy because Spence younger than him.

A taller boxer, with decent speed and power, so it will be obvious that Ugas will have to adjust to Spence in this fight and not used the same strategy. Nevertheless, he will still rely on what he knows best, which is to be a defensive fighter and uses his jab in order to try and see how Spence will react and then as the fight goes on, adjust. Whether to stay defensive or be the aggressor.

but maybe it will be different I think he doesn't really like waiting games and prefers to go straight to brutal attacks if he sees the fight he did before.
tempo reduction is important but he is not the type to play casually and wait I think this must be maximized whether he will change his game or try as usual because it looks like these two strategies will still have consequences because if he waits indirectly he gives flexibility to Spence later

On the contrary, I don't think that Ugas will be the aggressor here, Spence will not let that. If he pushes forward, Spence will play defense of course but will try to go inside, just like in the Danny Garcia fight. In short, he will beat on you on your own game. That's why it's hard to put a decent strategy for Ugas because Spence will going to counter him in every move. We will see who will crack first here, specially in the first 6 rounds as Spence might have a ring rust and this could be the perfect opportunity for Ugas.

The ring of rust probably doesn't really apply to Spence in my opinion, because indeed it would be quite the opposite to say he is like that now even though he hasn't fought in quite a while but the word rust would only be one of the jokes for him in my opinion.
It's really difficult for Ugas right now even though he's the seed of choice, his only choice is to keep looking ahead and keep crashing because a defensive strategy won't have much effect

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 31, 2022, 11:52:31 AM

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I doubt it, his trainer knows better, every fighter is different, there is no one size fits all strategy. Besides, Manny is already old had cramps that's why his game plan is also different.

The strategy in the match will always be different even though the trainer will apply the same strategy as an opportunity to win, in fact it is more accurate when matches such as the Ugas vs Manny fight take advantage of the age factor to continue to attack rather than defend, but fighting with Spence must be prepared with the right strategy because Spence younger than him.

A taller boxer, with decent speed and power, so it will be obvious that Ugas will have to adjust to Spence in this fight and not used the same strategy. Nevertheless, he will still rely on what he knows best, which is to be a defensive fighter and uses his jab in order to try and see how Spence will react and then as the fight goes on, adjust. Whether to stay defensive or be the aggressor.

Ugas have no choice here but to adjust if he still wants to outsmart Spence because we know that the latter's style is on offensive as he have the advantage that he needed and we can say that he will be the aggressor. On the other hand, Ugas may not be as aggressive as his opponent Spence but he will likely to find that perfect spot before he starts to extend his punches and that is while he is in his defensive tactics which is his best style. Nevertheless, this fight will be an interesting as these two boxers are both tough in the ring with different styles, and to sum it up, it's really hard to figure somethings which of them has the more chances on winning the said fight.

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On the contrary, I don't think that Ugas will be the aggressor here, Spence will not let that. If he pushes forward, Spence will play defense of course but will try to go inside, just like in the Danny Garcia fight. In short, he will beat on you on your own game. That's why it's hard to put a decent strategy for Ugas because Spence will going to counter him in every move. We will see who will crack first here, specially in the first 6 rounds as Spence might have a ring rust and this could be the perfect opportunity for Ugas.

My thinking is another way around. Ugas won't keep that being not aggressive since he needs to make more points and make sure he will own most of the rounds. He is aware that if he just keeps on safety, he won't win against the judge's favorite Spence. It's already expected that while Ugas will come to Spence, obviously Spence will play defense and will not go close-to-close unless a good opening will be seen for a clean punch.

I can't consider Spence has ring rust since it's just about 15 months ago to his last fight but his medical condition last August might affect his actual performance in the ring. I also read some comments about their fellow boxers that Spence is not as dangerous as before.

I like how we are sharing analysis. Let's just continue.

Maybe he will look for more opportunity to have his bread and butter, which is countering if Spence is going inside? Just by the look of this fight, it's really hard to predict the outcome as there are a lot of scenarios that can played around. Maybe 1-3 rounds it will be Ugas who are taking over, and then Spence comes back in the middle round. And make it's a good fight in the championship round. Let's see what scenario are going to happen, Ugas defense against Spence becoming the aggressor later.

If he could cut the distance, then that strategy would be effective. However, this is not Pacman, it's Spence who has a longer reach than him and is a little bit taller, so that strategy cannot be effective in the fight, therefore, he has to go with a toe to toe fight since Spence has a better boxing skills than him IMO.

Agree, Spence is bigger and has a longer reach, that counter punch would only work if a boxer is attacking and not quick enough, in the case of Spence, he is an extraordinary boxer, that's why he was ranked as the number 1 in pound for pound ranking before the car accident happened.

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On the contrary, I don't think that Ugas will be the aggressor here, Spence will not let that. If he pushes forward, Spence will play defense of course but will try to go inside, just like in the Danny Garcia fight. In short, he will beat on you on your own game. That's why it's hard to put a decent strategy for Ugas because Spence will going to counter him in every move. We will see who will crack first here, specially in the first 6 rounds as Spence might have a ring rust and this could be the perfect opportunity for Ugas.

My thinking is another way around. Ugas won't keep that being not aggressive since he needs to make more points and make sure he will own most of the rounds. He is aware that if he just keeps on safety, he won't win against the judge's favorite Spence. It's already expected that while Ugas will come to Spence, obviously Spence will play defense and will not go close-to-close unless a good opening will be seen for a clean punch.

I can't consider Spence has ring rust since it's just about 15 months ago to his last fight but his medical condition last August might affect his actual performance in the ring. I also read some comments about their fellow boxers that Spence is not as dangerous as before.

I like how we are sharing analysis. Let's just continue.

Maybe he will look for more opportunity to have his bread and butter, which is countering if Spence is going inside? Just by the look of this fight, it's really hard to predict the outcome as there are a lot of scenarios that can played around. Maybe 1-3 rounds it will be Ugas who are taking over, and then Spence comes back in the middle round. And make it's a good fight in the championship round. Let's see what scenario are going to happen, Ugas defense against Spence becoming the aggressor later.

If he could cut the distance, then that strategy would be effective. However, this is not Pacman, it's Spence who has a longer reach than him and is a little bit taller, so that strategy cannot be effective in the fight, therefore, he has to go with a toe to toe fight since Spence has a better boxing skills than him IMO.

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On the contrary, I don't think that Ugas will be the aggressor here, Spence will not let that. If he pushes forward, Spence will play defense of course but will try to go inside, just like in the Danny Garcia fight. In short, he will beat on you on your own game. That's why it's hard to put a decent strategy for Ugas because Spence will going to counter him in every move. We will see who will crack first here, specially in the first 6 rounds as Spence might have a ring rust and this could be the perfect opportunity for Ugas.

My thinking is another way around. Ugas won't keep that being not aggressive since he needs to make more points and make sure he will own most of the rounds. He is aware that if he just keeps on safety, he won't win against the judge's favorite Spence. It's already expected that while Ugas will come to Spence, obviously Spence will play defense and will not go close-to-close unless a good opening will be seen for a clean punch.

I can't consider Spence has ring rust since it's just about 15 months ago to his last fight but his medical condition last August might affect his actual performance in the ring. I also read some comments about their fellow boxers that Spence is not as dangerous as before.

I like how we are sharing analysis. Let's just continue.

Maybe he will look for more opportunity to have his bread and butter, which is countering if Spence is going inside? Just by the look of this fight, it's really hard to predict the outcome as there are a lot of scenarios that can played around. Maybe 1-3 rounds it will be Ugas who are taking over, and then Spence comes back in the middle round. And make it's a good fight in the championship round. Let's see what scenario are going to happen, Ugas defense against Spence becoming the aggressor later.

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On the contrary, I don't think that Ugas will be the aggressor here, Spence will not let that. If he pushes forward, Spence will play defense of course but will try to go inside, just like in the Danny Garcia fight. In short, he will beat on you on your own game. That's why it's hard to put a decent strategy for Ugas because Spence will going to counter him in every move. We will see who will crack first here, specially in the first 6 rounds as Spence might have a ring rust and this could be the perfect opportunity for Ugas.

My thinking is another way around. Ugas won't keep that being not aggressive since he needs to make more points and make sure he will own most of the rounds. He is aware that if he just keeps on safety, he won't win against the judge's favorite Spence. It's already expected that while Ugas will come to Spence, obviously Spence will play defense and will not go close-to-close unless a good opening will be seen for a clean punch.

I can't consider Spence has ring rust since it's just about 15 months ago to his last fight but his medical condition last August might affect his actual performance in the ring. I also read some comments about their fellow boxers that Spence is not as dangerous as before.

I like how we are sharing analysis. Let's just continue.

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Quote from: herurist on March 31, 2022, 12:00:32 PM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 31, 2022, 11:52:31 AM

Quote from: TravelMug on March 31, 2022, 06:50:36 AM

I doubt it, his trainer knows better, every fighter is different, there is no one size fits all strategy. Besides, Manny is already old had cramps that's why his game plan is also different.

The strategy in the match will always be different even though the trainer will apply the same strategy as an opportunity to win, in fact it is more accurate when matches such as the Ugas vs Manny fight take advantage of the age factor to continue to attack rather than defend, but fighting with Spence must be prepared with the right strategy because Spence younger than him.

A taller boxer, with decent speed and power, so it will be obvious that Ugas will have to adjust to Spence in this fight and not used the same strategy. Nevertheless, he will still rely on what he knows best, which is to be a defensive fighter and uses his jab in order to try and see how Spence will react and then as the fight goes on, adjust. Whether to stay defensive or be the aggressor.

but maybe it will be different I think he doesn't really like waiting games and prefers to go straight to brutal attacks if he sees the fight he did before.
tempo reduction is important but he is not the type to play casually and wait I think this must be maximized whether he will change his game or try as usual because it looks like these two strategies will still have consequences because if he waits indirectly he gives flexibility to Spence later

On the contrary, I don't think that Ugas will be the aggressor here, Spence will not let that. If he pushes forward, Spence will play defense of course but will try to go inside, just like in the Danny Garcia fight. In short, he will beat on you on your own game. That's why it's hard to put a decent strategy for Ugas because Spence will going to counter him in every move. We will see who will crack first here, specially in the first 6 rounds as Spence might have a ring rust and this could be the perfect opportunity for Ugas.

Beating their own game of each other whether one would be cracking in and one would really be pursue on whose gonna set up the pace.Ring rust? I dont believe that Spence
does have that even though its been a while since his last match but doesnt mean that he didnt able to maintain his body which means that a little warm up and
shaping up would do the work.Its impossible that he wont really be able to get his tempo back when he's already inside the ring.

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Quote from: TravelMug on March 31, 2022, 06:50:36 AM

I doubt it, his trainer knows better, every fighter is different, there is no one size fits all strategy. Besides, Manny is already old had cramps that's why his game plan is also different.

The strategy in the match will always be different even though the trainer will apply the same strategy as an opportunity to win, in fact it is more accurate when matches such as the Ugas vs Manny fight take advantage of the age factor to continue to attack rather than defend, but fighting with Spence must be prepared with the right strategy because Spence younger than him.

A taller boxer, with decent speed and power, so it will be obvious that Ugas will have to adjust to Spence in this fight and not used the same strategy. Nevertheless, he will still rely on what he knows best, which is to be a defensive fighter and uses his jab in order to try and see how Spence will react and then as the fight goes on, adjust. Whether to stay defensive or be the aggressor.

but maybe it will be different I think he doesn't really like waiting games and prefers to go straight to brutal attacks if he sees the fight he did before.
tempo reduction is important but he is not the type to play casually and wait I think this must be maximized whether he will change his game or try as usual because it looks like these two strategies will still have consequences because if he waits indirectly he gives flexibility to Spence later

On the contrary, I don't think that Ugas will be the aggressor here, Spence will not let that. If he pushes forward, Spence will play defense of course but will try to go inside, just like in the Danny Garcia fight. In short, he will beat on you on your own game. That's why it's hard to put a decent strategy for Ugas because Spence will going to counter him in every move. We will see who will crack first here, specially in the first 6 rounds as Spence might have a ring rust and this could be the perfect opportunity for Ugas.

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Quote from: TravelMug on March 31, 2022, 06:50:36 AM

I doubt it, his trainer knows better, every fighter is different, there is no one size fits all strategy. Besides, Manny is already old had cramps that's why his game plan is also different.

The strategy in the match will always be different even though the trainer will apply the same strategy as an opportunity to win, in fact it is more accurate when matches such as the Ugas vs Manny fight take advantage of the age factor to continue to attack rather than defend, but fighting with Spence must be prepared with the right strategy because Spence younger than him.

A taller boxer, with decent speed and power, so it will be obvious that Ugas will have to adjust to Spence in this fight and not used the same strategy. Nevertheless, he will still rely on what he knows best, which is to be a defensive fighter and uses his jab in order to try and see how Spence will react and then as the fight goes on, adjust. Whether to stay defensive or be the aggressor.

but maybe it will be different I think he doesn't really like waiting games and prefers to go straight to brutal attacks if he sees the fight he did before.
tempo reduction is important but he is not the type to play casually and wait I think this must be maximized whether he will change his game or try as usual because it looks like these two strategies will still have consequences because if he waits indirectly he gives flexibility to Spence later

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