[Boxing] Errol Spence Jr vs. Yordenis Ugas 3-Belt Welterweight Unification Match - page 8.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on April 05, 2022, 06:44:39 AM

^^ Thurman is just lurking in the shadows, he just come back from a long layoff and for me his latest win against a balloon up Barrios is not that impressive. He needs to fight quality fighters fight in the division before he can fight for the belt again. So right now, it's Spence, Crawford and Ugas as the top dog and maybe they should fight each other first and then Thurman builds up his resume again before he can fight anyone of them.

Maybe Thurman can fight the loser between Ugas and Spence instead of having a rematch, the winner can move forward and face

Crawford, this would be a good chance for Thurman to aim for the belt if he wins, then waiting for the loser again, then challenge the

overall belt holder. Just a wild opinion though, but for now, everyone's eye is on this upcoming fight. A winner takes all fights that will

add a good hypes to the winner's resume and accomplishments.

Good opinion, but Thurman wants to fight the winner of this fight. Even though Thurman's come back win isn't that impressive but he's still a top caliber fighter and will always worthy to take a shot on the top fighters on his weight division currently.
However, base on this article https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.badlefthook.com/platform/amp/2022/2/10/22926877/keith-thurman-would-love-fight-spence-vs-ugas-winner-next-boxing-news-2022
If Spence will win against Ugas, he might turn down the offer to fight Thurman due to a personal reason.
So, most probably it's gonna be Spence vs. Crawford. But Ugas might not be an easy opponent for Spence. So, he should get pass against Ugas first before we proceed talking about his next fight.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on April 05, 2022, 09:21:40 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on April 05, 2022, 06:44:39 AM

^^ Thurman is just lurking in the shadows, he just come back from a long layoff and for me his latest win against a balloon up Barrios is not that impressive. He needs to fight quality fighters fight in the division before he can fight for the belt again. So right now, it's Spence, Crawford and Ugas as the top dog and maybe they should fight each other first and then Thurman builds up his resume again before he can fight anyone of them.

Maybe Thurman can fight the loser between Ugas and Spence instead of having a rematch, the winner can move forward and face

Crawford, this would be a good chance for Thurman to aim for the belt if he wins, then waiting for the loser again, then challenge the

overall belt holder. Just a wild opinion though, but for now, everyone's eye is on this upcoming fight. A winner takes all fights that will

add a good hypes to the winner's resume and accomplishments.

Yes, I was also about to say the same thing that Keith Thurman should watch and fight who will be the loser between Ugas and Spence as this way he could climb back again and start his career with more credible opponents and Ugas or Spence is good starting phase to begin with.

He cannot just yet face and fight Crawford because he's reserve to fight who will be the winner between Ugas and Spence. Thurman's time will come because he's just starting to build his career again and defeating Barrios is just a welcome phase.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on April 05, 2022, 06:44:39 AM

^^ Thurman is just lurking in the shadows, he just come back from a long layoff and for me his latest win against a balloon up Barrios is not that impressive. He needs to fight quality fighters fight in the division before he can fight for the belt again. So right now, it's Spence, Crawford and Ugas as the top dog and maybe they should fight each other first and then Thurman builds up his resume again before he can fight anyone of them.

However, the fight versus Mario Barrios was supposed to be a title eliminator according to some boxing media sports articles. It also appears that Errol Spence will be fighting Thurman before Terence Crawford can find an opportunity to fight Spence unless Ugas wins the fight. I reckon it might be better for Crawford if Ugas wins than if Spences wins because the promoters will want the biggest name for Ugas.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on April 05, 2022, 09:21:40 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on April 05, 2022, 06:44:39 AM

^^ Thurman is just lurking in the shadows, he just come back from a long layoff and for me his latest win against a balloon up Barrios is not that impressive. He needs to fight quality fighters fight in the division before he can fight for the belt again. So right now, it's Spence, Crawford and Ugas as the top dog and maybe they should fight each other first and then Thurman builds up his resume again before he can fight anyone of them.

Maybe Thurman can fight the loser between Ugas and Spence instead of having a rematch, the winner can move forward and face

Crawford, this would be a good chance for Thurman to aim for the belt if he wins, then waiting for the loser again, then challenge the

overall belt holder. Just a wild opinion though, but for now, everyone's eye is on this upcoming fight. A winner takes all fights that will

add a good hypes to the winner's resume and accomplishments.

But Thurman doesn't have any bargaining power right now, he doesn't have a belt and just coming back from a long layoff and just won against un-rank Barrios.

So money wise it is not a safe bet for whoever win in this match. So they should really aim for the next belt holder which is Crawford to unify all the belts in this division and of course to make more money.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on April 05, 2022, 06:44:39 AM

^^ Thurman is just lurking in the shadows, he just come back from a long layoff and for me his latest win against a balloon up Barrios is not that impressive. He needs to fight quality fighters fight in the division before he can fight for the belt again. So right now, it's Spence, Crawford and Ugas as the top dog and maybe they should fight each other first and then Thurman builds up his resume again before he can fight anyone of them.

Maybe Thurman can fight the loser between Ugas and Spence instead of having a rematch, the winner can move forward and face

Crawford, this would be a good chance for Thurman to aim for the belt if he wins, then waiting for the loser again, then challenge the

overall belt holder. Just a wild opinion though, but for now, everyone's eye is on this upcoming fight. A winner takes all fights that will

add a good hypes to the winner's resume and accomplishments.

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^^ Thurman is just lurking in the shadows, he just come back from a long layoff and for me his latest win against a balloon up Barrios is not that impressive. He needs to fight quality fighters fight in the division before he can fight for the belt again. So right now, it's Spence, Crawford and Ugas as the top dog and maybe they should fight each other first and then Thurman builds up his resume again before he can fight anyone of them.

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Even Keith Thurman doesn't have any difficulties when he faced Barrios after his long lay off in the industry.

I saw that fight, I think we should include Thurman on the discussion which is a possible opponent of Crawford in case Spence will say no after winning this fight, or possibly an opponent of Spence. I have Thurman winning against either Spence or Crawford because he is a decent boxer and I like the odds that the bookies will offer betting on him.

That's another story, let's just wait until the end of this fight and see the development.

If Spence wins, let's wait for his answer if he would say yes or no to a possible Crawford fight.
If Ugas wins, I think we will see a Spence vs Ugas.

That means, Thurman will just have to wait a little longer.

I think you meant that if Ugas wins, we will probably see Ugas against Crawford soon. But for now that's just a big if because the fight isn't concluded yet and most of us ain't really sure which one of them will win, and that's what makes this fight more interesting to see.

Yes, seems Thurman is ain't in their radar yet so that would really take some time before we can see him again and now let's just focus to Ugas and Spence as this thread discussion is dedicated to them.

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Quote from: harizen on April 04, 2022, 07:25:45 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on April 04, 2022, 11:04:25 AM

While for the winner, a hype in his name and much better rate when another defense is being offered. Let see if bookies are right siding to Spence base from how they place the odd.

It's not that bookies are siding with Spence. Odds are provided not based on how they looked at the fight but on how they compare the stats and impact of both boxers. Spence's boxing stats and experiences tell it all that he should be the Favorite to win the match. Somehow to take advantage of betting on Spence, bettors can risk some money by placing a bet on how Spence will win the fight.

My wild guess is:

Spence winning TKO in Rounds 5-7. I should expect an odds over @3.

No such betting options are yet available on my preferred sportsbook. Let's see if there will be any in the following days.

I would say this is a good prediction and of course good odds for us boxing bettors. I have seen video of Spence doing some training and he looks very sharp and that body, it's all muscle (well maybe his body is really getting large now to 147 lbs).

So why not? over 3.x is a dream for us to win and win big. So let's wait for other betting options in our favorite sports bookies and then we decide what bet we are going to put in this fight.

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Quote from: Kemarit on March 31, 2022, 09:21:52 PM

Maybe he will look for more opportunity to have his bread and butter, which is countering if Spence is going inside? Just by the look of this fight, it's really hard to predict the outcome as there are a lot of scenarios that can played around. Maybe 1-3 rounds it will be Ugas who are taking over, and then Spence comes back in the middle round. And make it's a good fight in the championship round. Let's see what scenario are going to happen, Ugas defense against Spence becoming the aggressor later.

Well, what you say makes a lot of sense, I really don't know what reaction UGAS might have if this ends in more than 3 rounds, from what I can guess both fighters have strategies that can be superior to each other, plus the mood I know That influences, I understand that UGAS is going through a very good moment, gaining the support of many fans, especially after having fights like Pacquiao's, it is obvious that he gained more fame.

Particularly right now I'm a little hesitant as to who can win this fight, maybe I'll decide to make a bet if one of the boxers shows a close up about their training or one of them advances something, I don't know, but I think As the fight approaches, I will be able to decide.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on April 04, 2022, 09:02:02 AM

That means, Thurman will just have to wait a little longer.

Keith Thurman is out of the discussion. Spence will now move up weight after clashing with Ugas and Crawford. No way Spence will wait for a fight with Thurman or even be interested in fighting him. What Thurman should do is to let Spence move up weight and then fight the vacant title that Spence will left.

But you are right, it's another what-if scenario and it needs a separate thread for discussion.

Let's wait for the result of this fight and then analyze it after.

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Quote from: Fredomago on April 04, 2022, 11:04:25 AM

While for the winner, a hype in his name and much better rate when another defense is being offered. Let see if bookies are right siding to Spence base from how they place the odd.

It's not that bookies are siding with Spence. Odds are provided not based on how they looked at the fight but on how they compare the stats and impact of both boxers. Spence's boxing stats and experiences tell it all that he should be the Favorite to win the match. Somehow to take advantage of betting on Spence, bettors can risk some money by placing a bet on how Spence will win the fight.

My wild guess is:

Spence winning TKO in Rounds 5-7. I should expect an odds over @3.

No such betting options are yet available on my preferred sportsbook. Let's see if there will be any in the following days.

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Quote from: molsewid on April 04, 2022, 10:16:21 AM

Quote from: Yamifoud on April 04, 2022, 09:02:02 AM

That's another story, let's just wait until the end of this fight and see the development.

If Spence wins, let's wait for his answer if he would say yes or no to a possible Crawford fight.
If Ugas wins, I think we will see a Spence vs Ugas.

That means, Thurman will just have to wait a little longer.

Exactly, that's another story that should be tackled on the next thread if it would possibly be scheduled in the future but as of now let's focus on the scheduled fight of Errol Spence vs. Yordenis Ugas. I mean, the forum is open for a new discussion but so far since this battle was already set to happen I will choose to wait and see till the end of the fight who will be victorious between the two fighters. But it's undeniable that Spence is the crowd favorite here so who knows let's watch the game once it is started.

Spence is the bookies favorite while if you are aiming for much higher pay rate risking for Ugas is also attracted to take, it's better to focus with this upcoming fight and show your side there's always a good place to discuss in regard to any possible next fight from both ends and for sure even the loser of this fight have another shot being a former champ.

While for the winner, a hype in his name and much better rate when another defense is being offered. Let see if bookies are right siding to Spence base from how they place the odd.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on April 04, 2022, 09:02:02 AM

That's another story, let's just wait until the end of this fight and see the development.

If Spence wins, let's wait for his answer if he would say yes or no to a possible Crawford fight.
If Ugas wins, I think we will see a Spence vs Ugas.

That means, Thurman will just have to wait a little longer.

Exactly, that's another story that should be tackled on the next thread if it would possibly be scheduled in the future but as of now let's focus on the scheduled fight of Errol Spence vs. Yordenis Ugas. I mean, the forum is open for a new discussion but so far since this battle was already set to happen I will choose to wait and see till the end of the fight who will be victorious between the two fighters. But it's undeniable that Spence is the crowd favorite here so who knows let's watch the game once it is started.

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Quote from: Natalim on April 04, 2022, 08:57:55 AM

Quote from: Distinctin on April 04, 2022, 06:05:46 AM

Even Keith Thurman doesn't have any difficulties when he faced Barrios after his long lay off in the industry.

I saw that fight, I think we should include Thurman on the discussion which is a possible opponent of Crawford in case Spence will say no after winning this fight, or possibly an opponent of Spence. I have Thurman winning against either Spence or Crawford because he is a decent boxer and I like the odds that the bookies will offer betting on him.

That's another story, let's just wait until the end of this fight and see the development.

If Spence wins, let's wait for his answer if he would say yes or no to a possible Crawford fight.
If Ugas wins, I think we will see a Spence vs Ugas.

That means, Thurman will just have to wait a little longer.

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Quote from: Distinctin on April 04, 2022, 06:05:46 AM

Even Keith Thurman doesn't have any difficulties when he faced Barrios after his long lay off in the industry.

I saw that fight, I think we should include Thurman on the discussion which is a possible opponent of Crawford in case Spence will say no after winning this fight, or possibly an opponent of Spence. I have Thurman winning against either Spence or Crawford because he is a decent boxer and I like the odds that the bookies will offer betting on him.

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Quote from: harizen on April 03, 2022, 11:30:35 PM

Quote from: Dave1 on April 02, 2022, 03:20:33 AM

We can't be sure if ring rust doesn't affect a fighter even some of the greatest fighter have expecting this kind of effect, so we will have to see how Spence is in the start, maybe he will be sluggish or something and Ugas can take advantage of it. But I agree that it will be a big task even for Ugas to beat a version of Spence that has that ring rust. Because Spence can offset it with his boxing IQ and then when he feels that he has shaken the cobweb, he will make the fight very interesting.

First of all, how do you or others define "ring rust"? Spence doesn't have a fight for around 1 year and 4 months. On that span of period, does a boxer can considered having a ring rust even currently at his prime?

Take note also that Spence is supposed to fight last year, August 21 but got canceled. Therefore, Spence is actively training last year in the preparation for the fight against Manny Pacquiao. There's no way that "rust" will come easy since Spence is active always.

Ring rust shouldn't be involved in the discussion as there's no such thing as that.

Fact! Yes that right there is true, ring rust will only take effect mostly on those boxers who aren't so active while they are inactive for long in the sport. However, Spence here doesn't have to worry about that as his chances to have that effect is just slim to none and he is still on his prime. Even Keith Thurman doesn't have any difficulties when he faced Barrios after his long lay off in the industry.

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Quote from: Dave1 on April 02, 2022, 03:20:33 AM

We can't be sure if ring rust doesn't affect a fighter even some of the greatest fighter have expecting this kind of effect, so we will have to see how Spence is in the start, maybe he will be sluggish or something and Ugas can take advantage of it. But I agree that it will be a big task even for Ugas to beat a version of Spence that has that ring rust. Because Spence can offset it with his boxing IQ and then when he feels that he has shaken the cobweb, he will make the fight very interesting.

First of all, how do you or others define "ring rust"? Spence doesn't have a fight for around 1 year and 4 months. On that span of period, does a boxer can considered having a ring rust even currently at his prime?

Take note also that Spence is supposed to fight last year, August 21 but got canceled. Therefore, Spence is actively training last year in the preparation for the fight against Manny Pacquiao. There's no way that "rust" will come easy since Spence is active always.

Ring rust shouldn't be involved in the discussion as there's no such thing as that.

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Quote from: herurist on April 02, 2022, 03:38:02 PM

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Quote from: herurist on April 01, 2022, 03:23:21 PM

The ring of rust probably doesn't really apply to Spence in my opinion, because indeed it would be quite the opposite to say he is like that now even though he hasn't fought in quite a while but the word rust would only be one of the jokes for him in my opinion.

Maybe there's a little impact on the coming fight, but I would say that Spence is still in his prime and he will be able to stay fit and ready during the fight. Not being able to have a professional fight but keeping himself to the gym still makes him a dangerous fighter IMO.

Quote from: herurist on April 01, 2022, 03:23:21 PM

It's really difficult for Ugas right now even though he's the seed of choice, his only choice is to keep looking ahead and keep crashing because a defensive strategy won't have much effect

I'm sure he knows that himself, and since Spence is a different animal, he has to deal it differently.

Well the debate about ring rust or not and its impact won't end in my opinion until Spence plays. apart from that now it's probably just a matter of waiting for this fight to start before giving an opinion about rusting or not.

this is indeed what will happen if you fight with a fighting style that is difficult to predict then you have to apply a strategy that is difficult to predict too but I still believe in Spence

this is where this match is going to be interesting. since spence jr didn't fight pacquiao, a lot are waiting for him for this upcoming fight where he is now. ugas will test his strength inside the ring. we will see his condition if he is still up to his game. most are expecting him to win easily over ugas. can he meet those expectations without any controversial scenario inside the ring. this is interesting!!!

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Quote from: freedomgo on April 02, 2022, 01:11:09 PM

That would be too good if only the boxers these days are thinking or have a mindset like that because in times like now, we cannot really expect them to settle in a 50/50 share as their would always a boxer who would really react and bark that he should at least get a 60% on the cake because he thinks he is much more famous or the big man between them. So, I will not be surprise anymore if Spence would use that ticket again that he is entitled of a bigger share than Crawford (I don't know if that's really the reason why he's not accepting Crawford's call).

Anyways, if Spence here will win this fight then we should for sure know the answers for this questions as he will likely be asked about it again.

Spence does have a reason for that and I'm with him. Even if I was in his place, if my credentials are well known to yield a high revenue, I will also ask for more of the purse split on every fight. For the record, Spence PPV sales in total are much higher than what Crawford generates, that does not include the amount Spence can bring in ticket sales. If only Crawford's promoter before managed to give him a big fight, he might also have the same in terms of sales with Spence.

60-40 in favor of Spence is reasonable. I very much doubt it will be 50/50.

Spence is not hungry to have a fight with Crawford and he is even willing to move up disregarding the fight with these boxier. Crawford have no choice but to accept it unless he will have the same price as Spence.

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Quote from: herurist on April 01, 2022, 03:23:21 PM

The ring of rust probably doesn't really apply to Spence in my opinion, because indeed it would be quite the opposite to say he is like that now even though he hasn't fought in quite a while but the word rust would only be one of the jokes for him in my opinion.

Maybe there's a little impact on the coming fight, but I would say that Spence is still in his prime and he will be able to stay fit and ready during the fight. Not being able to have a professional fight but keeping himself to the gym still makes him a dangerous fighter IMO.

Quote from: herurist on April 01, 2022, 03:23:21 PM

It's really difficult for Ugas right now even though he's the seed of choice, his only choice is to keep looking ahead and keep crashing because a defensive strategy won't have much effect

I'm sure he knows that himself, and since Spence is a different animal, he has to deal it differently.

Well the debate about ring rust or not and its impact won't end in my opinion until Spence plays. apart from that now it's probably just a matter of waiting for this fight to start before giving an opinion about rusting or not.

this is indeed what will happen if you fight with a fighting style that is difficult to predict then you have to apply a strategy that is difficult to predict too but I still believe in Spence

Exactly! Arguing about if the boxer will have ring rust or not makes no sense because every fighter varies differently with other fighters, but ring rust is avoidable as we can already see plenty of boxers that have been successfully evaded that effect after a long lay-off.

I'll give you guys a recent example, it's Keith Thurman. This man have been laying low and haven't fought any boxer after he was defeated by Manny Pacquaio on July 2019 but recently after almost 3 years, he again set foot on the ring last February this same year of 2022 and defeated Mario Barrios. On the day of his fight, we haven't saw any signs that Thurman is somehow experiencing the ring rust effect.

And for Spence, his last fight was on December 2020 and he will comeback again and fight Ugas next week after more than a year from inactivity. So, overcoming ring rust is not a problem on him but maybe he won't getting that effect. Anyways, it's only a matter of days now to answer this debate.

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