[Boxing] Errol Spence Jr vs. Yordenis Ugas 3-Belt Welterweight Unification Match - page 6.

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So I am still hoping Ugas can pull an upset this weekend.

Wow, I think you are the only one here who cheers on Ugas to win. If that would happen, then there's no problem with negotiation of the fight between Ugas and Crawford, and if Ugas will again upset a favorite, that would a 3 straight upset wins for him.

I do believe Spence can win the fight though. And it is happening in Texas, a notorious state when it comes to boxing. And Texas is also Spence hometown. I do not see Ugas winning especially on close rounds. Ugas needs to win rounds clearly and convincingly.

And if ever Ugas do pulls an upset. A 4-belt unification is only easy if Crawford signs with PBC. If Crawford prefers other promoters with better monetary offer then I doubt PBC would offer their underdog 3-belt champ to the real boogeyman of welterweight.

Many believe that Spence could pull a victory on this match and that includes me, but the real thing is that even if Spence is the heavy favorite, that does not change the fact that Ugas have still a chance to upset Spence even if that chance is somehow slim. Again, This will be an interesting fight as many will watch if Ugas can make an upset again or Spence is really too much for him.

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Going back to the topic, the outcome of this fight would also dictate the possible fight of Crawford, and if Ugas would win, I think it will be easy to make the fight happen because if Spence will win, they'll play the purse sharing issue.

Terrence Crawford is a free agent. After his fight with Shawn Porter I thought he would sign with DAZN right away. Official DAZN fb page was posting a lot of Crawford pictures congratulating his victory over Porter while there was zero PBC or Showtime post. And DAZN is obviously the richest boxing network right now. But lately, there are rumors circulating that PBC is offering Crawford a deal. First he fights Danny Garcia and then later he can have Spence. I am curious though, why the need for Crawford to fight Danny Garcia first before Spence. Crawford is turning 36 next year, not a prime age anymore. So I am still hoping Ugas can pull an upset this weekend.

It's all about business, if he wins against Garcia, then it will create more hype for the fight. And then win-win situation for Spence, being a PBC fighter because it will soften up Crawford because Danny Garcia was a former champion and I think he can make it a tough fight for Crawford. But for now, it's Spence turn to put his foot on that possible fight with Crawford if he will win against Ugas.

Possible strategy to bring good hypes for another big fight. It's possible to create noise if he wins against Garcia. More on business,

and it's understandable that promoters wanted to bring good hypes to attract more interest from fans and those gamblers who mostly

supporting this sport. We will see what will happen after this fight and how it will turn if Garcia and Crawford will set the deal before engaging

to whoever was the winner of this upcoming fight between Spence and Ugas.

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Quote from: freedomgo on April 10, 2022, 09:00:05 AM

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So I am still hoping Ugas can pull an upset this weekend.

Wow, I think you are the only one here who cheers on Ugas to win. If that would happen, then there's no problem with negotiation of the fight between Ugas and Crawford, and if Ugas will again upset a favorite, that would a 3 straight upset wins for him.

I wish both of them a win, but Errol Spence Jr. have rather better conditions to win.
The winner of this fight will almost certainly have a guaranteed contract to fight Crawford. It seems that the Errol-Crawford fight is more probable and would be more spectacular, but a surprise can always happen.

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Just like when we are discussing a GGG vs Canelo Trilogy even if they still have an upcoming fight, well in the case of GGG, he already win his fight against Murata.

And with that, it increases the chance that the trilogy will happen because Canelo is also a heavy favorite to win against Dmitry Bivol.
The odds BTW, https://www.oddschecker.com/us/boxing-mma/boxing/dmitry-bivol-v-saul-canelo-alvarez

I hope to see this soon, for sure it's not a problem for Canelo to fighting this year again if he wins this May, and there's plenty of time, so both fighters could prepare for this big fight, it doesn't matter if it will be in the last quarter of the year as long as it will not be postponed.

The odds say the possibility of the fight, and as always, Canelo never fails to amaze us, and even if Bivol is the champion, Canelo is still listed as the favorite.

Going back to the topic, the outcome of this fight would also dictate the possible fight of Crawford, and if Ugas would win, I think it will be easy to make the fight happen because if Spence will win, they'll play the purse sharing issue.

I agree about that because Canelo have already faced many talented boxers but he didn't failed us as always, and in this fight, Bivol will surely give his best to defend his title against Canelo but we already know that the latter always finds his way to defend his opponents.

Let's make it easy, if Ugas will win then a fair share will surely happen but if Spence will win then for sure he will suggest that he will get that 60% as he also have the right to do it. Either way, I'm not seeing that Crawford won't accept it because he have no one to share his money with because he already cut his ties with Bob Arum.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on April 10, 2022, 09:18:19 AM

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So I am still hoping Ugas can pull an upset this weekend.

Wow, I think you are the only one here who cheers on Ugas to win. If that would happen, then there's no problem with negotiation of the fight between Ugas and Crawford, and if Ugas will again upset a favorite, that would a 3 straight upset wins for him.

I do believe Spence can win the fight though. And it is happening in Texas, a notorious state when it comes to boxing. And Texas is also Spence hometown. I do not see Ugas winning especially on close rounds. Ugas needs to win rounds clearly and convincingly.

And if ever Ugas do pulls an upset. A 4-belt unification is only easy if Crawford signs with PBC. If Crawford prefers other promoters with better monetary offer then I doubt PBC would offer their underdog 3-belt champ to the real boogeyman of welterweight.

I don't think there will be other promotional companies that can offer Crawford good fighters and money except PBC. I mean they almost had all the 147 rank fighters. Maybe one option for Crawford is to sign like 2-3 fights and that will include Spence in the future.

Anyhow, as others said, let's wait for the outcome of the Ugas vs Spence and then we will have to have another discussions Ugas vs, Crawford or Spence vs, Crawford.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on April 10, 2022, 08:53:19 AM

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Going back to the topic, the outcome of this fight would also dictate the possible fight of Crawford, and if Ugas would win, I think it will be easy to make the fight happen because if Spence will win, they'll play the purse sharing issue.

Terrence Crawford is a free agent. After his fight with Shawn Porter I thought he would sign with DAZN right away. Official DAZN fb page was posting a lot of Crawford pictures congratulating his victory over Porter while there was zero PBC or Showtime post. And DAZN is obviously the richest boxing network right now. But lately, there are rumors circulating that PBC is offering Crawford a deal. First he fights Danny Garcia and then later he can have Spence. I am curious though, why the need for Crawford to fight Danny Garcia first before Spence. Crawford is turning 36 next year, not a prime age anymore. So I am still hoping Ugas can pull an upset this weekend.

It's all about business, if he wins against Garcia, then it will create more hype for the fight. And then win-win situation for Spence, being a PBC fighter because it will soften up Crawford because Danny Garcia was a former champion and I think he can make it a tough fight for Crawford. But for now, it's Spence turn to put his foot on that possible fight with Crawford if he will win against Ugas.

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Quote from: stadus on April 10, 2022, 08:08:36 AM

Going back to the topic, the outcome of this fight would also dictate the possible fight of Crawford, and if Ugas would win, I think it will be easy to make the fight happen because if Spence will win, they'll play the purse sharing issue.

That's true, if Ugas will make that upset it would be easier for both camps to settle that sharing issue (hoping though) but like what you just said, if in case Spence will that this one from Ugas, there are more talks and issue with that sharing concerns. Though it won't be hard to deal if Crawford is really aiming to get that fight, they can adjust and accept whatever the deal if it's not that much from Spence side.

Money fight if ever Spence wins, there are many fans who are expecting Crawford and Spence inside the ring.

It would only happen if Spence will win and he's interested in facing Crawford. Cool

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So I am still hoping Ugas can pull an upset this weekend.

Wow, I think you are the only one here who cheers on Ugas to win. If that would happen, then there's no problem with negotiation of the fight between Ugas and Crawford, and if Ugas will again upset a favorite, that would a 3 straight upset wins for him.

I do believe Spence can win the fight though. And it is happening in Texas, a notorious state when it comes to boxing. And Texas is also Spence hometown. I do not see Ugas winning especially on close rounds. Ugas needs to win rounds clearly and convincingly.

And if ever Ugas do pulls an upset. A 4-belt unification is only easy if Crawford signs with PBC. If Crawford prefers other promoters with better monetary offer then I doubt PBC would offer their underdog 3-belt champ to the real boogeyman of welterweight.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on April 10, 2022, 08:53:19 AM

So I am still hoping Ugas can pull an upset this weekend.

Wow, I think you are the only one here who cheers on Ugas to win. If that would happen, then there's no problem with negotiation of the fight between Ugas and Crawford, and if Ugas will again upset a favorite, that would a 3 straight upset wins for him.

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Quote from: stadus on April 10, 2022, 08:08:36 AM

Going back to the topic, the outcome of this fight would also dictate the possible fight of Crawford, and if Ugas would win, I think it will be easy to make the fight happen because if Spence will win, they'll play the purse sharing issue.

Terrence Crawford is a free agent. After his fight with Shawn Porter I thought he would sign with DAZN right away. Official DAZN fb page was posting a lot of Crawford pictures congratulating his victory over Porter while there was zero PBC or Showtime post. And DAZN is obviously the richest boxing network right now. But lately, there are rumors circulating that PBC is offering Crawford a deal. First he fights Danny Garcia and then later he can have Spence. I am curious though, why the need for Crawford to fight Danny Garcia first before Spence. Crawford is turning 36 next year, not a prime age anymore. So I am still hoping Ugas can pull an upset this weekend.

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Quote from: Russlenat on April 10, 2022, 07:38:26 AM

Quote from: Distinctin on April 09, 2022, 05:01:07 PM

Just like when we are discussing a GGG vs Canelo Trilogy even if they still have an upcoming fight, well in the case of GGG, he already win his fight against Murata.

And with that, it increases the chance that the trilogy will happen because Canelo is also a heavy favorite to win against Dmitry Bivol.
The odds BTW, https://www.oddschecker.com/us/boxing-mma/boxing/dmitry-bivol-v-saul-canelo-alvarez

I hope to see this soon, for sure it's not a problem for Canelo to fighting this year again if he wins this May, and there's plenty of time, so both fighters could prepare for this big fight, it doesn't matter if it will be in the last quarter of the year as long as it will not be postponed.

The odds say the possibility of the fight, and as always, Canelo never fails to amaze us, and even if Bivol is the champion, Canelo is still listed as the favorite.

Going back to the topic, the outcome of this fight would also dictate the possible fight of Crawford, and if Ugas would win, I think it will be easy to make the fight happen because if Spence will win, they'll play the purse sharing issue.

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Quote from: Distinctin on April 09, 2022, 05:01:07 PM

Just like when we are discussing a GGG vs Canelo Trilogy even if they still have an upcoming fight, well in the case of GGG, he already win his fight against Murata.

And with that, it increases the chance that the trilogy will happen because Canelo is also a heavy favorite to win against Dmitry Bivol.
The odds BTW, https://www.oddschecker.com/us/boxing-mma/boxing/dmitry-bivol-v-saul-canelo-alvarez

I hope to see this soon, for sure it's not a problem for Canelo to fighting this year again if he wins this May, and there's plenty of time, so both fighters could prepare for this big fight, it doesn't matter if it will be in the last quarter of the year as long as it will not be postponed.

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I think the offer is not fair, it's Crawford who is now a more popular boxer and yet he is only getting 40% of the purse? No way Crawford would go for that, it's an insult to him, so he better not fight and just wait for the time that they'll agree with the terms.

Spence Jr. 3 PPV events

March 2019 vs Mikey Garcia = 360,000 buys
September 2019 vs Shawn Porter = 300,000 buys
December 2020 vs Danny Garcia = 250,000 buys

Crawford PPV events

June 2016 vs Viktor Postol = 60,000 buys
April 2019 vs Amir Khan = 150,000 buys

No need for an explanation why Crawford should take the 40% of the split.

Wow! Crawford's combined PPV sales didn't even got the same sales for Spence's least PPV sales last year against Danny Garcia. It really makes some sense that Spence should get a 60% cut because he is more anticipated boxer than Crawford even if they're standings isn't that far.

Well, if Crawford is really serious that he wants to fight Spence then a 40% share of the purse isn't that big deal as it could make him earn bigger. That's also if Spence could survive and win this fight against Ugas.

Crawford doesn't have a problem with the 40% shares. He is always open to that since the beginning. There's no chance that Spence won't take the equal shares as his PPV sales tell it all. The only disagree with that 40% split for Crawford are some of the people here in this thread lol. They are not aware of the situation and treating Crawford has the same fan base as Spence.

Spence already told the media that an equal split is unfair to his as he's right about the reason why people will watch the fight is because of him. I agree on what he said there.

If that is the case then we should expect the fight will come into reality if Spence will win against Ugas. It's not an easy fight I would say, but if Spence were able to condition himself well, he should win the fight and be a unified champion which Crawford would want to collect.

No more problem on the percentage of purse and PPV sharing, then we should be optimistic it will happen this year.

Quote from: Fredomago on April 09, 2022, 01:39:51 PM

For now, we can wait if what would be the outcome of this upcoming fight between Ugas and Spence, if fate for Spence to win

then that is the right time to discuss for another big event and it's between Crawford and Spence.

We can't wait, haha.. it's just normal to discuss a big fight as it's more entertaining to watch.
Just like when we are discussing a GGG vs Canelo Trilogy even if they still have an upcoming fight, well in the case of GGG, he already win his fight against Murata.

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Quote from: Distinctin on April 09, 2022, 12:31:33 PM

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on April 09, 2022, 07:59:24 AM

I think the offer is not fair, it's Crawford who is now a more popular boxer and yet he is only getting 40% of the purse? No way Crawford would go for that, it's an insult to him, so he better not fight and just wait for the time that they'll agree with the terms.

Spence Jr. 3 PPV events

March 2019 vs Mikey Garcia = 360,000 buys
September 2019 vs Shawn Porter = 300,000 buys
December 2020 vs Danny Garcia = 250,000 buys

Crawford PPV events

June 2016 vs Viktor Postol = 60,000 buys
April 2019 vs Amir Khan = 150,000 buys

No need for an explanation why Crawford should take the 40% of the split.

Wow! Crawford's combined PPV sales didn't even got the same sales for Spence's least PPV sales last year against Danny Garcia. It really makes some sense that Spence should get a 60% cut because he is more anticipated boxer than Crawford even if they're standings isn't that far.

Well, if Crawford is really serious that he wants to fight Spence then a 40% share of the purse isn't that big deal as it could make him earn bigger. That's also if Spence could survive and win this fight against Ugas.

Crawford doesn't have a problem with the 40% shares. He is always open to that since the beginning. There's no chance that Spence won't take the equal shares as his PPV sales tell it all. The only disagree with that 40% split for Crawford are some of the people here in this thread lol. They are not aware of the situation and treating Crawford has the same fan base as Spence.

Spence already told the media that an equal split is unfair to his as he's right about the reason why people will watch the fight is because of him. I agree on what he said there.

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Quote from: Distinctin on April 09, 2022, 12:31:33 PM

Quote from: agustina2 on April 09, 2022, 10:21:15 AM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on April 09, 2022, 07:59:24 AM

I think the offer is not fair, it's Crawford who is now a more popular boxer and yet he is only getting 40% of the purse? No way Crawford would go for that, it's an insult to him, so he better not fight and just wait for the time that they'll agree with the terms.

Spence Jr. 3 PPV events

March 2019 vs Mikey Garcia = 360,000 buys
September 2019 vs Shawn Porter = 300,000 buys
December 2020 vs Danny Garcia = 250,000 buys

Crawford PPV events

June 2016 vs Viktor Postol = 60,000 buys
April 2019 vs Amir Khan = 150,000 buys

No need for an explanation why Crawford should take the 40% of the split.

Wow! Crawford's combined PPV sales didn't even got the same sales for Spence's least PPV sales last year against Danny Garcia. It really makes some sense that Spence should get a 60% cut because he is more anticipated boxer than Crawford even if they're standings isn't that far.

Well, if Crawford is really serious that he wants to fight Spence then a 40% share of the purse isn't that big deal as it could make him earn bigger. That's also if Spence could survive and win this fight against Ugas.

I share that sentiment, if Crawford is really eager to fight Spence after winning this fight. He can agree with that share and let the fans enjoy the fight between him and Spence. Not with the money, but the fun that they can bring with all those fans and viewers who wanted to witness them inside the ring.

For now, we can wait if what would be the outcome of this upcoming fight between Ugas and Spence, if fate for Spence to win

then that is the right time to discuss for another big event and it's between Crawford and Spence.

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Quote from: agustina2 on April 09, 2022, 10:21:15 AM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on April 09, 2022, 07:59:24 AM

I think the offer is not fair, it's Crawford who is now a more popular boxer and yet he is only getting 40% of the purse? No way Crawford would go for that, it's an insult to him, so he better not fight and just wait for the time that they'll agree with the terms.

Spence Jr. 3 PPV events

March 2019 vs Mikey Garcia = 360,000 buys
September 2019 vs Shawn Porter = 300,000 buys
December 2020 vs Danny Garcia = 250,000 buys

Crawford PPV events

June 2016 vs Viktor Postol = 60,000 buys
April 2019 vs Amir Khan = 150,000 buys

No need for an explanation why Crawford should take the 40% of the split.

Wow! Crawford's combined PPV sales didn't even got the same sales for Spence's least PPV sales last year against Danny Garcia. It really makes some sense that Spence should get a 60% cut because he is more anticipated boxer than Crawford even if they're standings isn't that far.

Well, if Crawford is really serious that he wants to fight Spence then a 40% share of the purse isn't that big deal as it could make him earn bigger. That's also if Spence could survive and win this fight against Ugas.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on April 09, 2022, 07:59:24 AM

I think the offer is not fair, it's Crawford who is now a more popular boxer and yet he is only getting 40% of the purse? No way Crawford would go for that, it's an insult to him, so he better not fight and just wait for the time that they'll agree with the terms.

Spence Jr. 3 PPV events

March 2019 vs Mikey Garcia = 360,000 buys
September 2019 vs Shawn Porter = 300,000 buys
December 2020 vs Danny Garcia = 250,000 buys

Crawford PPV events

June 2016 vs Viktor Postol = 60,000 buys
April 2019 vs Amir Khan = 150,000 buys

No need for an explanation why Crawford should take the 40% of the split.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on April 08, 2022, 11:41:51 PM

I also think that this fight will push through when the day of the fight will come. The loser of the match could be a chance for those who lose in their previous match which is a chance to climb back again and maybe land to a big fight. I'm thinking that this match is in favor of spence even if you just base it on their records which Spence did have more KOs. Not that I am very sure of what I said but there are unexpected events that you thought will happen so, all we can do is to wait and let the time tell you the result.

This fight haven't met any issues at all unlike the Casimero vs Butler and Canelo vs Bivol who have some struggles or rumors that the fight will somehow delay again. But for Spence and Ugas, this surely will push through as there's no any hindrance that would make the fight delay, well for now because we cannot yet forecast any future events.

Looking at their records, yes Spence really have that advantage but Ugas cannot be underestimated as he also worked his way so hard to reach this spot and he can give an upset in any unexpected time.

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Well I hope that Crawford's camp will just agree that they will be having just 40% cut from the purse just to make the fight happen in reality, but I still doubt that they will just agree about it easily even if there's still some other ways that they can earn. You know, 10% is already a big money.

I agree, that discussion will come soon if indeed Spence happens to be the winner in this fight. For now, let's talk about Ugas and Spence as this is also an anticipated and interesting fight to see.

There's no other way. Crawford just needs to accept that 40%. He is the one hungry to fight Spence and the latter didn't even bother if the fight against him will happen or not. Spence will just go on his plan of moving up if Crawford won't agree with the purse split.

Spence is the big reason why the fight will generate more money and not Crawford. After he finished Spence, then demand more on his future fights, easy as that. For now, to make that fight happen, Crawford should just accept that Spence is really the King of Entertainment compared to him.

But this discussion can only happen if Spence will pass Ugas. What if Ugas won? It will now be Ugas vs Crawford and the purse split is 100% 50/50.

I think the offer is not fair, it's Crawford who is now a more popular boxer and yet he is only getting 40% of the purse? No way Crawford would go for that, it's an insult to him, so he better not fight and just wait for the time that they'll agree with the terms.

It maybe not be fair but if he really wants to make this fight come into reality, then he should sacrifice a bit. Remember when Pacman fought Mayweather, it should be 50-50 because both fighters are on their prime, but Mayweather demanded a 60% cut, so in order to make that fight happen, Manny agreed for a 40% cut.

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Quote from: goinmerry on April 09, 2022, 04:53:12 AM

Quote from: stadus on April 08, 2022, 08:25:18 AM

Well I hope that Crawford's camp will just agree that they will be having just 40% cut from the purse just to make the fight happen in reality, but I still doubt that they will just agree about it easily even if there's still some other ways that they can earn. You know, 10% is already a big money.

I agree, that discussion will come soon if indeed Spence happens to be the winner in this fight. For now, let's talk about Ugas and Spence as this is also an anticipated and interesting fight to see.

There's no other way. Crawford just needs to accept that 40%. He is the one hungry to fight Spence and the latter didn't even bother if the fight against him will happen or not. Spence will just go on his plan of moving up if Crawford won't agree with the purse split.

Spence is the big reason why the fight will generate more money and not Crawford. After he finished Spence, then demand more on his future fights, easy as that. For now, to make that fight happen, Crawford should just accept that Spence is really the King of Entertainment compared to him.

But this discussion can only happen if Spence will pass Ugas. What if Ugas won? It will now be Ugas vs Crawford and the purse split is 100% 50/50.

I think the offer is not fair, it's Crawford who is now a more popular boxer and yet he is only getting 40% of the purse? No way Crawford would go for that, it's an insult to him, so he better not fight and just wait for the time that they'll agree with the terms.

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