[Boxing] John Riel Casimero vs. Saul Sanchez - October 13

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Quote from: stadus on October 23, 2024, 08:16:19 AM

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Naoya Inoue had one condition before fighting Nakatani: Nakatani had to defeat his younger brother, Takuma Inoue. Unfortunately, Takuma lost his last fight, which means the anticipated Nakatani vs. Takuma Inoue match will not happen, as the hype has died down. However, a Naoya Inoue vs. Nakatani fight would still be a major event in Japan, as they are two of the most popular boxers the country has ever seen.

That means Nakatani would need to move up to face Inoue. Well, that would definitely draw some attention if it happens, but since Inoue is scheduled to have his last fight this year against Goodman, it’s likely going to be next year. Inoue's plans to move up will be delayed again. As for Casimero, he seems to be lost in the mix. After winning impressively last fight, he can't fight for one year in Japan due to suspension. Hopefully, he stays quiet and just focuses on preparing for a big comeback.

And I think that Nakatani can make weight at 122 lbs, it's not that much difference specially in lower weight class and I also speculate that he can also bring that power into the 122 lbs division.

Hopefully, they are going to consider fighting him before he moves up in weight class next year for Inoue. For Casimero, his ban really took a toll on him as he can't fight in Japan for at least a year. And then not sure if his Japanese promoter is willing to extend his contract or sign him again as there are conflicting news whether he will be offered a contract or not because of his missing the weight against Sanchez.

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Quote from: stadus on October 23, 2024, 08:16:19 AM

After winning impressively last fight, he can't fight for one year in Japan due to suspension.

Yeah, even though we want him to fight Inoue, we can't ignore the fact that he broke some rules and was overweight when the fight happened. The judgment seems fair. And besides, even if he wasn’t banned, I doubt he’d get the fight with Inoue anyway - Inoue just doesn’t seem interested at all.

Quote from: stadus on October 23, 2024, 08:16:19 AM

Hopefully, he stays quiet and just focuses on preparing for a big comeback.

Knowing Casimero, he’s never going to stay quiet. He'll keep calling out Inoue, trash-talking him until he gets his shot at the fight.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 21, 2024, 06:36:10 PM

Naoya Inoue had one condition before fighting Nakatani: Nakatani had to defeat his younger brother, Takuma Inoue. Unfortunately, Takuma lost his last fight, which means the anticipated Nakatani vs. Takuma Inoue match will not happen, as the hype has died down. However, a Naoya Inoue vs. Nakatani fight would still be a major event in Japan, as they are two of the most popular boxers the country has ever seen.

That means Nakatani would need to move up to face Inoue. Well, that would definitely draw some attention if it happens, but since Inoue is scheduled to have his last fight this year against Goodman, it’s likely going to be next year. Inoue's plans to move up will be delayed again. As for Casimero, he seems to be lost in the mix. After winning impressively last fight, he can't fight for one year in Japan due to suspension. Hopefully, he stays quiet and just focuses on preparing for a big comeback.

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Quote from: Questat on October 22, 2024, 12:25:09 AM

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Yes, but Naoya Inoue is going to move up in the featherweight division, leaving those who are chasing him like Junto Nakatani. And with that, if Junto wanted a great fight then he could face Casimero but it's obvious that the fight should not be in Japan as Casimero is already banned.

Looks like he’s got one more fight lined up for the year...probably his last for 2024. So, any plans to move up a division are likely on hold, depending on how this fight goes. Honestly, it feels like Casimero’s chances at a title fight are slipping away, especially since Inoue seems in no rush to give up the belt. At this point, Casimero either has to move up a division himself or keep grinding to improve his ranking, but that could take quite a while.

It will be against Sam Goodman at the end of the year for Naoya Inoue. And that is the plan though, just one more fight and it's time to go up in the featherweight division. But yes, plans can change, if he wanted to stay a bit longer and wait for Junto Nakatani then why not? It will be one of the biggest fight in Japan as both of this two are really stars in their own country.

I do not think that Casimero though can move up to 126 lbs. He will be too small at that division, and no offense, he could have power at 122 lbs, but there is a reason why there are weight classes because at 126 lbs, boxers have move power and I doubt that Casimero can bring his power to that weight class.

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How about this fantasy fight that I was thinking?

Junto Nakatani vs Casimero?

Junto has been calling out his fellow Japanese Inoue to have a fight in Japan. But Inoue is not responding as far as I know as Junto is willing to go up in weight at 122 lbs and face him. And with that, if Inoue doesn't want it then maybe Casimero will be the next best thing for Nakatani. Although Casimero is banned from fighting in Japan for a year so this might not happen. But it will be really a good fight as both of them are really tough and slugger.

This is a good fight since it provably could able to catch the interest of fans knowing that both of them challenging Inoue and if luckily the Japanese ones win then maybe he get a chance to fight Inoue. But if Casimero win? I guess nothing happens and fight against Inoue would still not going to happen. To many influential force stopping this fight to happen and also camp of Inoue doesn't have interest to fight Casimero so what fans looking forward to happen seems impossible right now.

Yes, it's a good matchup indeed, Nakatani I would say will be the rival of Inoue in terms of popularity in Japan. And Nakatani also wanted to fight Inoue when he moves up. It's really unfortunate that there are a lot of factors that really stop us from seeing a Inoue vs Nakatani.

And Inoue is interested to fight Nakatani and it seems their fight will happen next year https://www.boxingscene.com/fight-between-superstar-naoya-inoue-maturing-junto-nakatani-makes-sense-2025--186534

So let see if this fight would really happen and if his management will not do any excuse just like what they did to Casimero. Inoue vs Nakatani is good match up so for sure that lots of poeple would watch this fight knowing that people want to see if Nakatani could able to defeat the monster or Inoue will retain his current standing then remain undefeated.

But Junto though might want to go up 2 weight classes?

He is at the bantamweight division and Naoya is in at super bantamweight, and so with that, and as what the news tells, he will be moving up to 126 lbs next year. So in any case, it will be Junto that is going to adjust to Naoya.

But in any, they are both Japanese and it's possible to make this fight to happened as long as both of them are willing.

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 21, 2024, 08:08:43 AM

How about this fantasy fight that I was thinking?

Junto Nakatani vs Casimero?

Junto has been calling out his fellow Japanese Inoue to have a fight in Japan. But Inoue is not responding as far as I know as Junto is willing to go up in weight at 122 lbs and face him. And with that, if Inoue doesn't want it then maybe Casimero will be the next best thing for Nakatani. Although Casimero is banned from fighting in Japan for a year so this might not happen. But it will be really a good fight as both of them are really tough and slugger.

This is a good fight since it provably could able to catch the interest of fans knowing that both of them challenging Inoue and if luckily the Japanese ones win then maybe he get a chance to fight Inoue. But if Casimero win? I guess nothing happens and fight against Inoue would still not going to happen. To many influential force stopping this fight to happen and also camp of Inoue doesn't have interest to fight Casimero so what fans looking forward to happen seems impossible right now.

Yes, it's a good matchup indeed, Nakatani I would say will be the rival of Inoue in terms of popularity in Japan. And Nakatani also wanted to fight Inoue when he moves up. It's really unfortunate that there are a lot of factors that really stop us from seeing a Inoue vs Nakatani.

And Inoue is interested to fight Nakatani and it seems their fight will happen next year https://www.boxingscene.com/fight-between-superstar-naoya-inoue-maturing-junto-nakatani-makes-sense-2025--186534

So let see if this fight would really happen and if his management will not do any excuse just like what they did to Casimero. Inoue vs Nakatani is good match up so for sure that lots of poeple would watch this fight knowing that people want to see if Nakatani could able to defeat the monster or Inoue will retain his current standing then remain undefeated.

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 21, 2024, 09:38:28 PM

Yes, but Naoya Inoue is going to move up in the featherweight division, leaving those who are chasing him like Junto Nakatani. And with that, if Junto wanted a great fight then he could face Casimero but it's obvious that the fight should not be in Japan as Casimero is already banned.

Looks like he’s got one more fight lined up for the year...probably his last for 2024. So, any plans to move up a division are likely on hold, depending on how this fight goes. Honestly, it feels like Casimero’s chances at a title fight are slipping away, especially since Inoue seems in no rush to give up the belt. At this point, Casimero either has to move up a division himself or keep grinding to improve his ranking, but that could take quite a while.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 21, 2024, 06:36:10 PM

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Yes, it's a good matchup indeed, Nakatani I would say will be the rival of Inoue in terms of popularity in Japan. And Nakatani also wanted to fight Inoue when he moves up. It's really unfortunate that there are a lot of factors that really stop us from seeing a Inoue vs Nakatani.

Naoya Inoue had one condition before fighting Nakatani: Nakatani had to defeat his younger brother, Takuma Inoue. Unfortunately, Takuma lost his last fight, which means the anticipated Nakatani vs. Takuma Inoue match will not happen, as the hype has died down. However, a Naoya Inoue vs. Nakatani fight would still be a major event in Japan, as they are two of the most popular boxers the country has ever seen.

Yes, so it doesn't make sense that Nakatani should target Takuma Inoue next as per his big brother. And we have seen the Naoya is the better fighter than his brother, that's why I was surprises that Jerwin Ancajas lost to Takuma earlier this year.

Yes, but Naoya Inoue is going to move up in the featherweight division, leaving those who are chasing him like Junto Nakatani. And with that, if Junto wanted a great fight then he could face Casimero but it's obvious that the fight should not be in Japan as Casimero is already banned.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 21, 2024, 06:20:20 PM

Yes, it's a good matchup indeed, Nakatani I would say will be the rival of Inoue in terms of popularity in Japan. And Nakatani also wanted to fight Inoue when he moves up. It's really unfortunate that there are a lot of factors that really stop us from seeing a Inoue vs Nakatani.

Naoya Inoue had one condition before fighting Nakatani: Nakatani had to defeat his younger brother, Takuma Inoue. Unfortunately, Takuma lost his last fight, which means the anticipated Nakatani vs. Takuma Inoue match will not happen, as the hype has died down. However, a Naoya Inoue vs. Nakatani fight would still be a major event in Japan, as they are two of the most popular boxers the country has ever seen.

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 21, 2024, 08:08:43 AM

How about this fantasy fight that I was thinking?

Junto Nakatani vs Casimero?

Junto has been calling out his fellow Japanese Inoue to have a fight in Japan. But Inoue is not responding as far as I know as Junto is willing to go up in weight at 122 lbs and face him. And with that, if Inoue doesn't want it then maybe Casimero will be the next best thing for Nakatani. Although Casimero is banned from fighting in Japan for a year so this might not happen. But it will be really a good fight as both of them are really tough and slugger.

This is a good fight since it provably could able to catch the interest of fans knowing that both of them challenging Inoue and if luckily the Japanese ones win then maybe he get a chance to fight Inoue. But if Casimero win? I guess nothing happens and fight against Inoue would still not going to happen. To many influential force stopping this fight to happen and also camp of Inoue doesn't have interest to fight Casimero so what fans looking forward to happen seems impossible right now.

Yes, it's a good matchup indeed, Nakatani I would say will be the rival of Inoue in terms of popularity in Japan. And Nakatani also wanted to fight Inoue when he moves up. It's really unfortunate that there are a lot of factors that really stop us from seeing a Inoue vs Nakatani.

Quote from: ultrloa on October 21, 2024, 06:00:02 PM

I guess its better to move on and Casimero find better fight since he's wasting to much time for chasing Inoue's head but ends up nothing for him.

We should really move on from now as we won't see Casimero, and so with that, we can only speculate as who will be Casimero's next fight. Hopefully, it will be a great fighter so that we can still see another great fight before Casimero at age 35 slowed down.

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 21, 2024, 08:08:43 AM

How about this fantasy fight that I was thinking?

Junto Nakatani vs Casimero?

Junto has been calling out his fellow Japanese Inoue to have a fight in Japan. But Inoue is not responding as far as I know as Junto is willing to go up in weight at 122 lbs and face him. And with that, if Inoue doesn't want it then maybe Casimero will be the next best thing for Nakatani. Although Casimero is banned from fighting in Japan for a year so this might not happen. But it will be really a good fight as both of them are really tough and slugger.

This is a good fight since it provably could able to catch the interest of fans knowing that both of them challenging Inoue and if luckily the Japanese ones win then maybe he get a chance to fight Inoue. But if Casimero win? I guess nothing happens and fight against Inoue would still not going to happen. To many influential force stopping this fight to happen and also camp of Inoue doesn't have interest to fight Casimero so what fans looking forward to happen seems impossible right now.

I guess its better to move on and Casimero find better fight since he's wasting to much time for chasing Inoue's head but ends up nothing for him.

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How about this fantasy fight that I was thinking?

Junto Nakatani vs Casimero?

Junto has been calling out his fellow Japanese Inoue to have a fight in Japan. But Inoue is not responding as far as I know as Junto is willing to go up in weight at 122 lbs and face him. And with that, if Inoue doesn't want it then maybe Casimero will be the next best thing for Nakatani. Although Casimero is banned from fighting in Japan for a year so this might not happen. But it will be really a good fight as both of them are really tough and slugger.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on October 21, 2024, 01:18:34 AM

Quote from: stadus on October 21, 2024, 12:01:32 AM

Casimero is now ranked just behind Inoue, so there shouldn't be any more reason for Inoue to avoid fighting him because of rankings. But with Casimero still suspended for a year in Japan, Inoue will probably use that as an excuse, saying he wants to fight Casimero, but it can't happen since he'll only fight in Japan.

BoxRec’s ratings are determined by a computer algorithm which sometimes leads to questionable results such as Gervonta Davis currently being ranked #3 in their pound for pound list. Even having Canelo at #2 above Usyk and Crawford is really puzzling.

TBRB has him at #5 and ESPN has him #6, which is more reflective of the general consensus.

That's what I was thinking too, but you rarely see something like that from a website. Since Boxrec is quite popular, maybe with that listing, it’ll catch people's attention, and they’ll help push to make the fight happen.

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on October 21, 2024, 01:18:34 AM

Regardless, Inoue already has two mandatories and it is really doubtful that Casimero will ever get an opportunity. It is a waste of time to continue chasing it but he wouldn’t be getting any attention where it not for the constant mentions of Inoue.

It’s worth a try in my opinion, nothing to lose. I just want to see a real fight and finally settle this rivalry, if we can even call it that. Forget about the mandatory, Inoue could make an exception, just like he did in his last fight.

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Quote from: stadus on October 21, 2024, 12:01:32 AM

Casimero is now ranked just behind Inoue, so there shouldn't be any more reason for Inoue to avoid fighting him because of rankings. But with Casimero still suspended for a year in Japan, Inoue will probably use that as an excuse, saying he wants to fight Casimero, but it can't happen since he'll only fight in Japan.

BoxRec’s ratings are determined by a computer algorithm which sometimes leads to questionable results such as Gervonta Davis currently being ranked #3 in their pound for pound list. Even having Canelo at #2 above Usyk and Crawford is really puzzling.

TBRB has him at #5 and ESPN has him #6, which is more reflective of the general consensus. Regardless, Inoue already has two mandatories and it is really doubtful that Casimero will ever get an opportunity. It is a waste of time to continue chasing it but he wouldn’t be getting any attention where it not for the constant mentions of Inoue.

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Casimero is now ranked just behind Inoue, so there shouldn't be any more reason for Inoue to avoid fighting him because of rankings. But with Casimero still suspended for a year in Japan, Inoue will probably use that as an excuse, saying he wants to fight Casimero, but it can't happen since he'll only fight in Japan.

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Quote from: Maslate on October 19, 2024, 06:30:08 AM

Inoue survived against Luis Nery after getting knocked down by a solid counter, but I doubt he could do the same against Casimero. And to think, Casimero used thicker gloves in that fight because of the weight issue, as ordered. If he had been using regular gloves, Sanchez might not have gotten back up. They know what Casimero is capable of, and they don't want to take that risk. Plus, Inoue’s camp has more leverage right now, with Inoue being an undisputed champion. So, until that fight happens, most fans will believe that Inoue doesn’t need to fight Casimero because he isn’t deserving. But for those of us who’ve been paying attention, we know that Inoue is really just scared.

This is a Canelo - Benavidez scenario, Canelo trying to convince everybody that he doesn't have to fight Benavidez because he is really that good so he is asking a lot of money as a coverup. The same is true with Inoue thinking that he doesn't need to fight Casimero because he thinks he is not on his level, forgetting the fact that Casimero is a three division World Champion and he has beaten a lot of champions more than what all his opponent did and his cover up now is the weight issue.
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Quote from: Jating on October 19, 2024, 06:21:49 AM

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Just imagine if that counter left touches Inoue's chin, maybe he will not get up. So maybe the Japanese are simply taking it slow already as they are preparing for a huge fight in the US next year as he moves up to the featherweight division.

Inoue survived against Luis Nery after getting knocked down by a solid counter, but I doubt he could do the same against Casimero. And to think, Casimero used thicker gloves in that fight because of the weight issue, as ordered. If he had been using regular gloves, Sanchez might not have gotten back up. They know what Casimero is capable of, and they don't want to take that risk. Plus, Inoue’s camp has more leverage right now, with Inoue being an undisputed champion. So, until that fight happens, most fans will believe that Inoue doesn’t need to fight Casimero because he isn’t deserving. But for those of us who’ve been paying attention, we know that Inoue is really just scared.

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Quote from: Maslate on October 19, 2024, 05:27:14 AM

No matter what Casimero does, they won’t be impressed. If he wins but not convincingly, they’ll say he’s not on Inoue’s level. Now that he got a 1st round TKO, they’ll bring up the weight issue. There are always excuses when they don’t want their fighter taking a risky match, so it’s kind of expected. Casimero should now explore other options to make the most of his remaining years in boxing, and maybe one day, he’ll be the one setting the terms in a championship fight.

I know many people hate Casimero and do not rate him highly as a boxer however I do think he could have gone farther from where he is now if he had the right team behind him. He seems to have the talent if not for the questionable decisions he and his team makes. Now after this match, people want Inoue to properly fight Casimero to end the debates and endless talk. I also don’t think it’ll happen, Casimero needs to just focus on something else instead of trying to chase Inoue and try to ride this momentum.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/tribune.net.ph/amp/story/2024/10/15/casimero-not-on-top-ranks-radar

Too bad for us who wants to see Casimero and Inoue fight. Looks like, Casimero didn't impress the top rank peeps. He's not under Inoue's radar even after the dominating 1st round knock out win.
Well, I guess this what happens when you don't carry any title to leverage the fight you wanted.
There has been a lot of debate in the social media whether or not Inoue has been ducking again or is it just because Casimero has made several violations against boxing regulations.

No matter what Casimero does, they won’t be impressed. If he wins but not convincingly, they’ll say he’s not on Inoue’s level. Now that he got a 1st round TKO, they’ll bring up the weight issue. There are always excuses when they don’t want their fighter taking a risky match, so it’s kind of expected. Casimero should now explore other options to make the most of his remaining years in boxing, and maybe one day, he’ll be the one setting the terms in a championship fight.

Exactly, it's no longer Casimero's fault, it was reported or at least what we fans wanted to see is Casimero winning impressively so that Inoue and his camp will take notice. Unfortunately, even if he scored a big first round knockout, Inoue's handler doesn't want their boy to get closer to Casimero as he still had one of the most powerful fighter in the division.

Just imagine if that counter left touches Inoue's chin, maybe he will not get up. So maybe the Japanese are simply taking it slow already as they are preparing for a huge fight in the US next year as he moves up to the featherweight division.

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Quote from: Oasisman on October 19, 2024, 05:06:25 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/tribune.net.ph/amp/story/2024/10/15/casimero-not-on-top-ranks-radar

Too bad for us who wants to see Casimero and Inoue fight. Looks like, Casimero didn't impress the top rank peeps. He's not under Inoue's radar even after the dominating 1st round knock out win.
Well, I guess this what happens when you don't carry any title to leverage the fight you wanted.
There has been a lot of debate in the social media whether or not Inoue has been ducking again or is it just because Casimero has made several violations against boxing regulations.

No matter what Casimero does, they won’t be impressed. If he wins but not convincingly, they’ll say he’s not on Inoue’s level. Now that he got a 1st round TKO, they’ll bring up the weight issue. There are always excuses when they don’t want their fighter taking a risky match, so it’s kind of expected. Casimero should now explore other options to make the most of his remaining years in boxing, and maybe one day, he’ll be the one setting the terms in a championship fight.

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