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It seems like they’re not really investing in paying professionals. Last I checked, Memo Heredia was his conditioning coach during the fight against Micah. But in his recent fights, where he was criticized, it looked like the team was just made up of family or close friends who don’t really have the expertise. They seem very confident in Casimero and want to keep all the rewards for themselves.

As a result, the quality of his fights has dropped, or maybe they’re just waiting for a big fight before they consider hiring more professional staff to improve Casimero’s training. That way, his stamina would improve, and he wouldn’t have any issues with making weight for the fight.

They chose not to hire professionals, believing they could manage on their own, but this decision backfired. Since leaving MP Promotions, they’ve struggled with making weight. Although he sometimes makes weight, he often gasses out in the later rounds, as seen in the Nghitumbwa fight. The best move for Team Casimero now is to hire a good strength and conditioning coach, especially if Treasure Boxing Promotion gives him another chance and signs him to a contract.

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"JOHNRIEL Casimero proved too much for an outclassed Saul Sanchez on Sunday, scoring a quick first-round TKO win in their super-bantamweight fight in Yokohama, Budokan in Japan" https://www.spin.ph/boxing/johnriel-casimero-beats-saul-sanchez-via-first-round-tko-a793-20241013

Well no wonder since John Riel Casimero has lot of win in the past page he is senior but I thought Saul Sanchez could win because he still young and the gap of their age is really lot, But personally saul sanchez still have a room to grow in my opinion.
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You might want to cite your source. I have also read news about this but my sources aren't reliable ones. It appears they're more rumors than genuine news. I'm curious why he has to be suspended for 6 months when the match was given the green light despite the failure to make weight. Besides, Casimero was already penalized for it. If it's true, then Casimero cannot but abide with it.
I found this  source but doesn't look reliable for me. If this is true, it should be reported by the popular Philippine news outlet as they have reportedd this fight. Hopefully this is just a fake news.

Unfortunately, this isn't fake news. I earlier thought this was just a work of Casimero's haters and bashers, which he has a lot, but it's confirmed. At least a major media outlet has already reported this. The Japan Boxing Commission (JBC) itself emailed the reporter about its decision.

So, yeah, the rumor is both right and wrong. Right in that Casimero is indeed suspended. Wrong because it isn't 6 months. It's one year.

Let's not make it appear as if Casimero winning against Sanchez immediately makes him a worthy opponent of Inoue. Sanchez is a nobody. He isn't a big deal. Casimero didn't defeat a star.
But at least that success of Casimero would help him improve his ranking. As for the ranking here (https://www.boxingscene.com/rankings), he hasn't improve yet, so maybe he needs more fight, but what if the suspension is true?

He needs more fight. He needs to beat more solid opponents. Regardless of the suspension, he needs to fight and fight. Japan isn't the only country Casimero can fight. He's used to travelling anywhere to face opponents.
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Alright, if his brother is also the coach so it's possible that he's also the one doing the job of conditioning coach. That's something else and he's not getting the bang for his buck with that type of grooming to him. He really needs a legitimate coach, conditioning, strength and mind coach if he wants to be in par with Naoya Inoue because that seems to be his next target. Hands up that for now, if they're going to fight, he'd surely be down against Inoue.

It seems like they’re not really investing in paying professionals. Last I checked, Memo Heredia was his conditioning coach during the fight against Micah. But in his recent fights, where he was criticized, it looked like the team was just made up of family or close friends who don’t really have the expertise. They seem very confident in Casimero and want to keep all the rewards for themselves.

As a result, the quality of his fights has dropped, or maybe they’re just waiting for a big fight before they consider hiring more professional staff to improve Casimero’s training. That way, his stamina would improve, and he wouldn’t have any issues with making weight for the fight.
If that's the case and Casimero isn't investing to these people that he really needs to have, his plans are doomed to fail. I guess that him and his family wants to rotate the money or the earnings that he's got to relatives and no other people should benefit from that. But if he's serious with his career, he'll have to take care of his welfare and the money spent for these professionals are investment for him.

Anyway, maybe soon he's going to surprise everybody with a new approach and professionals guiding him starting from his body and physicality and even mentally. That case and penalty is to be honest, a very embarrassing thing to call on. Discipline isn't enough but also encouragement from the people that surrounds him to pursue what's necessary is also part of winning. But then, he lacks on that part because instead of encouraging himself to get help from better people, he didn't.
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Alright, if his brother is also the coach so it's possible that he's also the one doing the job of conditioning coach. That's something else and he's not getting the bang for his buck with that type of grooming to him. He really needs a legitimate coach, conditioning, strength and mind coach if he wants to be in par with Naoya Inoue because that seems to be his next target. Hands up that for now, if they're going to fight, he'd surely be down against Inoue.

It seems like they’re not really investing in paying professionals. Last I checked, Memo Heredia was his conditioning coach during the fight against Micah. But in his recent fights, where he was criticized, it looked like the team was just made up of family or close friends who don’t really have the expertise. They seem very confident in Casimero and want to keep all the rewards for themselves.

As a result, the quality of his fights has dropped, or maybe they’re just waiting for a big fight before they consider hiring more professional staff to improve Casimero’s training. That way, his stamina would improve, and he wouldn’t have any issues with making weight for the fight.
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I think aside from him to blame for these penalties, it's also the fault of his conditioning coach. Maybe, the main fault is on him because he's the boxer and it is his body to condition and the conditioning coach have been giving him countless reminders to adjust and do the job to maintain his weight. But as we all know about the attitude of Casimero, that's probably how he's acting for himself and became careless. Well, good thing that the penalty or ban isn't that long and that's just going to pass by so quickly until April.

As far as I know, he doesn't have any conditioning coach, he had his brother to be his trainer and coach and maybe you can add to that his conditioning coach as well. So there is no where to be fault but himself because he didn't hire anyone to help him make the weight. Please correct me though for those who known the circumstances because that's what I read from the news.
Alright, if his brother is also the coach so it's possible that he's also the one doing the job of conditioning coach. That's something else and he's not getting the bang for his buck with that type of grooming to him. He really needs a legitimate coach, conditioning, strength and mind coach if he wants to be in par with Naoya Inoue because that seems to be his next target. Hands up that for now, if they're going to fight, he'd surely be down against Inoue.

But for the ban, it's bad, any boxers who are ban in 6 months because they can't make weight will always affect his image. And then we have to also consider his boxing promoter, a Japanese who is not happy with the way Casimero approach his weigh-in. Although he won, this might be hist last fight under Treasure Boxing Promotions. So we don't know if someone will still take him as a promoter because of his continuously missing fight weight.
That's a disappointment to his promotions company. Well, good luck to them and him if they're going to be still in the same business and he'd stay with them. I think with the span of months as he waits for the lifting of the ban, he has to fix his team.
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There's bad news for Casimero, The bad news is Casimero is banned by the Japan Boxing Commission for not reaching the weight on his recent fight This is the standard rules on Japan even if its not a title fight, so he will only be allowed to fight in Japan next year in April.
That's a crazy rule, is there any other boxing commission in some parts of the world that has the same rules as them? Not reaching the weight requirement should just be it and won't allow to get into the fight but banning for several months to fight into their jurisdiction, I think it's the first time hearing that type of rule. But that's them and their rule.

Casimero's lack of discipline backfired and he cannot keep doing this, There's always repercussion. He's an old boxer; he should know how to properly discipline his body so he he will hit the right weight before the weigh in, I wonder what's next for Casimero, He had a Japanese promoter and yet he cannot fight in Japan, so he will end up fighting in his hometown, the Philippines.

He has limited option because of the ban or he will have to wait for the ban to expire That's a long six months for a boxer like Casimero who is getting old and running out of time to win another belt.
I think aside from him to blame for these penalties, it's also the fault of his conditioning coach. Maybe, the main fault is on him because he's the boxer and it is his body to condition and the conditioning coach have been giving him countless reminders to adjust and do the job to maintain his weight. But as we all know about the attitude of Casimero, that's probably how he's acting for himself and became careless. Well, good thing that the penalty or ban isn't that long and that's just going to pass by so quickly until April.

As far as I know, he doesn't have any conditioning coach, he had his brother to be his trainer and coach and maybe you can add to that his conditioning coach as well. So there is no where to be fault but himself because he didn't hire anyone to help him make the weight. Please correct me though for those who known the circumstances because that's what I read from the news.

But for the ban, it's bad, any boxers who are ban in 6 months because they can't make weight will always affect his image. And then we have to also consider his boxing promoter, a Japanese who is not happy with the way Casimero approach his weigh-in. Although he won, this might be hist last fight under Treasure Boxing Promotions. So we don't know if someone will still take him as a promoter because of his continuously missing fight weight.
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I think aside from him to blame for these penalties, it's also the fault of his conditioning coach. Maybe, the main fault is on him because he's the boxer and it is his body to condition and the conditioning coach have been giving him countless reminders to adjust and do the job to maintain his weight. But as we all know about the attitude of Casimero, that's probably how he's acting for himself and became careless. Well, good thing that the penalty or ban isn't that long and that's just going to pass by so quickly until April.

Seems to many people disturb him and give him bad advices that's why he experience to many downside of his career. If Casimero would just listen to professionals and hire good nutritionist also conditioning coach then provably that they would never experience this kind of issues.
I would agree with that. If he wants to stay longer with his career but I don't know if that's going to be a case on him but still, he should listen to the professionals and experienced ones on how to take care of himself so that more fights are going to come and lesser to no penalties at all. It sucks when a professional name has got these weighing issues because it's about the respect and discipline that they have for the career that they've chosen as a boxer.

But seems he tolerate the greed of his brother to gain more money and maybe he want to save some money for such expenses then this is what they end up. To bad that after he return and got an impressive win, he slapped again with 6 months suspension. For sure they can do more better than this since its undeniable that Casimero is so strong, he just need to be surrounded by good people and professional to handle his career.
I don't know this issue but is his brother is his manager or whatnot? If so, he's saving a lot of money and don't hire those professionals and nutrionists that he needs for taking care of his body. Anyway, what's done is done and he should learn from this. Actually, it's not just a minor issue but something that his potential opponents will look up and maybe could upset them if a proposal or asked to become a challenger or any type of fight, titled or not.
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There's bad news for Casimero, The bad news is Casimero is banned by the Japan Boxing Commission for not reaching the weight on his recent fight This is the standard rules on Japan even if its not a title fight, so he will only be allowed to fight in Japan next year in April.
That's a crazy rule, is there any other boxing commission in some parts of the world that has the same rules as them? Not reaching the weight requirement should just be it and won't allow to get into the fight but banning for several months to fight into their jurisdiction, I think it's the first time hearing that type of rule. But that's them and their rule.

Casimero's lack of discipline backfired and he cannot keep doing this, There's always repercussion. He's an old boxer; he should know how to properly discipline his body so he he will hit the right weight before the weigh in, I wonder what's next for Casimero, He had a Japanese promoter and yet he cannot fight in Japan, so he will end up fighting in his hometown, the Philippines.

He has limited option because of the ban or he will have to wait for the ban to expire That's a long six months for a boxer like Casimero who is getting old and running out of time to win another belt.
I think aside from him to blame for these penalties, it's also the fault of his conditioning coach. Maybe, the main fault is on him because he's the boxer and it is his body to condition and the conditioning coach have been giving him countless reminders to adjust and do the job to maintain his weight. But as we all know about the attitude of Casimero, that's probably how he's acting for himself and became careless. Well, good thing that the penalty or ban isn't that long and that's just going to pass by so quickly until April.

Seems to many people disturb him and give him bad advices that's why he experience to many downside of his career. If Casimero would just listen to professionals and hire good nutritionist also conditioning coach then provably that they would never experience this kind of issues.

But seems he tolerate the greed of his brother to gain more money and maybe he want to save some money for such expenses then this is what they end up. To bad that after he return and got an impressive win, he slapped again with 6 months suspension. For sure they can do more better than this since its undeniable that Casimero is so strong, he just need to be surrounded by good people and professional to handle his career.
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There's bad news for Casimero, The bad news is Casimero is banned by the Japan Boxing Commission for not reaching the weight on his recent fight This is the standard rules on Japan even if its not a title fight, so he will only be allowed to fight in Japan next year in April.
That's a crazy rule, is there any other boxing commission in some parts of the world that has the same rules as them? Not reaching the weight requirement should just be it and won't allow to get into the fight but banning for several months to fight into their jurisdiction, I think it's the first time hearing that type of rule. But that's them and their rule.

Casimero's lack of discipline backfired and he cannot keep doing this, There's always repercussion. He's an old boxer; he should know how to properly discipline his body so he he will hit the right weight before the weigh in, I wonder what's next for Casimero, He had a Japanese promoter and yet he cannot fight in Japan, so he will end up fighting in his hometown, the Philippines.

He has limited option because of the ban or he will have to wait for the ban to expire That's a long six months for a boxer like Casimero who is getting old and running out of time to win another belt.
I think aside from him to blame for these penalties, it's also the fault of his conditioning coach. Maybe, the main fault is on him because he's the boxer and it is his body to condition and the conditioning coach have been giving him countless reminders to adjust and do the job to maintain his weight. But as we all know about the attitude of Casimero, that's probably how he's acting for himself and became careless. Well, good thing that the penalty or ban isn't that long and that's just going to pass by so quickly until April.
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I also read a post on social media stating that the top boss of Treasure Boxing Promotion was unhappy with Casimero’s recent behavior, including being late for the weigh-in and the overweight issue. This was his last fight under their promotion, and he needs a reputable promoter like Treasure Boxing to secure quality fights in the future. If TBP decides not to sign him again, it could be the end of the road for Casimero.

We don’t really know what’s happening behind the scenes, but if that was his last fight with them, then it's probably for the best since Casimero didn’t get much under their promotion. Maybe it’s time for him to reconcile with his previous promoter, MP Promotions. There might still be a chance for him to land a championship fight. Look at Magsayo—he stayed, and even though Casimero was more popular back when they were with the same promotion, now it seems like Casimero is struggling to find a good fight.
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There's bad news for Casimero, The bad news is Casimero is banned by the Japan Boxing Commission for not reaching the weight on his recent fight This is the standard rules on Japan even if its not a title fight, so he will only be allowed to fight in Japan next year in April.
The good news is its only in Japan; he can still fight elsewhere.
I think with this all his hopes to fight Inoue immediately will not materialize, As we all know, Inoue only fight in Japan, he really needs a conditioning coach to manage his weight to avoid this, no promoter or organization will take it lightly if you cannot make a weight.

It's a 6 month banned, but still conflicting news so far, it says that he will be ban not only in Japan but all throughout, but it doesn't make sense at all. And as we can see, even if Casimero has won impressively, there are still a lot of controversial surrounding him.

But in any case, I would surmise that the ban will only be in Japan, remember that Nery was supposedly had a life time ban in Japan, but look at it, he was able to box and fight Naoya the last time in Japan itself. So I guess this is nothing to be concern on the side of Casimero, so enjoy your win John Riel in the Philippines.

I also read a post on social media stating that the top boss of Treasure Boxing Promotion was unhappy with Casimero’s recent behavior, including being late for the weigh-in and the overweight issue. This was his last fight under their promotion, and he needs a reputable promoter like Treasure Boxing to secure quality fights in the future. If TBP decides not to sign him again, it could be the end of the road for Casimero.

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Inoue will be having his last fight in this division this December. And by next year he will be moving up to featherweight division. So it makes the Inoue vs Casimero fight less likely to happen.

Inoue vs. Nakatani has a lot of hype right now especially in Japan. It’s a bigger fight than anything at featherweight for Inoue. I expect he will stay at super bantam a while longer. It still does not make a fight with Casimero any more likely as Inoue has only chosen fighters that are champions or mandatory challengers. Casimero falls a bit short of that level. He could still get an eliminator fight against Nakatani but after missing weight I doubt the sanctioning organizations will move him higher in the rankings.
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You might want to cite your source. I have also read news about this but my sources aren't reliable ones. It appears they're more rumors than genuine news. I'm curious why he has to be suspended for 6 months when the match was given the green light despite the failure to make weight. Besides, Casimero was already penalized for it. If it's true, then Casimero cannot but abide with it.
I found this  source but doesn't look reliable for me. If this is true, it should be reported by the popular Philippine news outlet as they have reportedd this fight. Hopefully this is just a fake news.

Let's not make it appear as if Casimero winning against Sanchez immediately makes him a worthy opponent of Inoue. Sanchez is a nobody. He isn't a big deal. Casimero didn't defeat a star.
But at least that success of Casimero would help him improve his ranking. As for the ranking here (https://www.boxingscene.com/rankings), he hasn't improve yet, so maybe he needs more fight, but what if the suspension is true?
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There's bad news for Casimero, The bad news is Casimero is banned by the Japan Boxing Commission for not reaching the weight on his recent fight This is the standard rules on Japan even if its not a title fight, so he will only be allowed to fight in Japan next year in April.
The good news is its only in Japan; he can still fight elsewhere.
I think with this all his hopes to fight Inoue immediately will not materialize, As we all know, Inoue only fight in Japan, he really needs a conditioning coach to manage his weight to avoid this, no promoter or organization will take it lightly if you cannot make a weight.

You might want to cite your source. I have also read news about this but my sources aren't reliable ones. It appears they're more rumors than genuine news. I'm curious why he has to be suspended for 6 months when the match was given the green light despite the failure to make weight. Besides, Casimero was already penalized for it. If it's true, then Casimero cannot but abide with it.

Let's not make it appear as if Casimero winning against Sanchez immediately makes him a worthy opponent of Inoue. Sanchez is a nobody. He isn't a big deal. Casimero didn't defeat a star.
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And that is why we already said that Casimero should hire a strength and conditioning coach or a nutritionist to stay in this weight class. It looks like he doesn't have one in this team and all he had is his brother to train and be his coach. Nothing bad against that kind of strategy, but if you are going in a world stage and wanted to be a champion again, at least it should start by making the weight because your opponent is also trying his best to make the desired weight. And with this suspension, he is not going to make any fights for sure unless it's in his native country of the Philippines. Inoue will be having his last fight in this division this December. And by next year he will be moving up to featherweight division. So it makes the Inoue vs Casimero fight less likely to happen.
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I'm also under the impression that Casimero is also ban in UK for also not making the weight against Butler? I might be wrong though, but if he did then by this time it has been lifted already. Here though, doesn't surprises me at all as Japan commission is very strict but they give special cases for some big fights to happen like Nery vs Inoue.

So Casimero can still fight, albeit it might not be in Japan but in the US or even in the Philippines for his next fight. It's just a matter on who is his promotions going to match him against. Because he can't fight Japanese obviously and then his opponents might ask for fines and rehydration clause next if he can't make the weight again.
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There's bad news for Casimero, The bad news is Casimero is banned by the Japan Boxing Commission for not reaching the weight on his recent fight This is the standard rules on Japan even if its not a title fight, so he will only be allowed to fight in Japan next year in April.
The good news is its only in Japan; he can still fight elsewhere.
I think with this all his hopes to fight Inoue immediately will not materialize, As we all know, Inoue only fight in Japan, he really needs a conditioning coach to manage his weight to avoid this, no promoter or organization will take it lightly if you cannot make a weight.

It's a 6 month banned, but still conflicting news so far, it says that he will be ban not only in Japan but all throughout, but it doesn't make sense at all. And as we can see, even if Casimero has won impressively, there are still a lot of controversial surrounding him.

But in any case, I would surmise that the ban will only be in Japan, remember that Nery was supposedly had a life time ban in Japan, but look at it, he was able to box and fight Naoya the last time in Japan itself. So I guess this is nothing to be concern on the side of Casimero, so enjoy your win John Riel in the Philippines.
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There's bad news for Casimero, The bad news is Casimero is banned by the Japan Boxing Commission for not reaching the weight on his recent fight This is the standard rules on Japan even if its not a title fight, so he will only be allowed to fight in Japan next year in April.
The good news is its only in Japan; he can still fight elsewhere.
I think with this all his hopes to fight Inoue immediately will not materialize, As we all know, Inoue only fight in Japan, he really needs a conditioning coach to manage his weight to avoid this, no promoter or organization will take it lightly if you cannot make a weight.
They should really be that trying out to replace its nutritionist but actually it wont really be that totally that should be blamed because as a boxer then you should also trying out to be disciplined as well
when you are really that trying out to reach out such required weight on which this is something that will really be understandable. There still some lapses on where Casimero did here so i cant blame
on why he's banned on fighting in Japan. If this one turned out that he would really be that able to fight again on next year then so be it. For those who are really that wanting about Casimero vs Inoue
fight then it might happen or not or they are really just that trying out to build up the hype for more money?  Tongue
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There's bad news for Casimero, The bad news is Casimero is banned by the Japan Boxing Commission for not reaching the weight on his recent fight This is the standard rules on Japan even if its not a title fight, so he will only be allowed to fight in Japan next year in April.
That's a crazy rule, is there any other boxing commission in some parts of the world that has the same rules as them? Not reaching the weight requirement should just be it and won't allow to get into the fight but banning for several months to fight into their jurisdiction, I think it's the first time hearing that type of rule. But that's them and their rule.

The good news is its only in Japan; he can still fight elsewhere.
I think with this all his hopes to fight Inoue immediately will not materialize, As we all know, Inoue only fight in Japan, he really needs a conditioning coach to manage his weight to avoid this, no promoter or organization will take it lightly if you cannot make a weight.
Who's the next prospect that Casimero is able to fight before Inoue? That's true about Naoya, he's not going to fight outside Japan and that's his tactic that's hard to break but even so, I think that the time will come that he'll be down by someone in his hometown.

Casimero's lack of discipline backfired and he cannot keep doing this, There's always repercussion. He's an old boxer; he should know how to properly discipline his body so he he will hit the right weight before the weigh in, I wonder what's next for Casimero, He had a Japanese promoter and yet he cannot fight in Japan, so he will end up fighting in his hometown, the Philippines.

He has limited option because of the ban or he will have to wait for the ban to expire That's a long six months for a boxer like Casimero who is getting old and running out of time to win another belt.
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