[Boxing]: Manny Pacquiao vs Errol Spence Jr - August 21 - page 16.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on July 29, 2021, 07:51:52 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 29, 2021, 12:53:56 AM

I reckon you underestimate popularity in elections because in reality elections are only a popularity contest. Trump won versus Hillary on 2016 because of his popularity among the lower class in America. I speculate that it might be similar in Pacman’s country. This win versus Spence will create a clamor for him to run as president.

Also, if the news media begins creating storylines that the present administration of a country is corrupt, unjust and oppressive, this is the first signs that there are political backers begining their move. Pacman will be with that move. In any case, I predict that he will declare he is running for president if he wins.

Pacquiao's trust rating as of this late has declined due to his attack on the sitting President which enjoyed a very high trust rating even if this is his last year in the position. Before Manny flew for the US, he accused some government agencies of corruption which he could not prove, and instead of doing his job as a senator, where he is in the US training for his fight while the people he ought to serve is in danger of this delta variant of covid.

He might not admit but he is distracted by the issues on his home country. Believe it or not, more people are now praying that Pacquiao will lose this one because they feel that Manny is selfish and only after his own interest.

I hope they'll not do that, sports and politics should be treated differently, if Manny wins, he will bring honor to the country whatever the political party they belong to. Manny is always focus, we have not seen him with that kind of problem in the past, so I don't want to assume that the impact is too big for him that he will be distracted on his training to this fight.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 29, 2021, 12:53:56 AM

I reckon you underestimate popularity in elections because in reality elections are only a popularity contest. Trump won versus Hillary on 2016 because of his popularity among the lower class in America. I speculate that it might be similar in Pacman’s country. This win versus Spence will create a clamor for him to run as president.

Also, if the news media begins creating storylines that the present administration of a country is corrupt, unjust and oppressive, this is the first signs that there are political backers begining their move. Pacman will be with that move. In any case, I predict that he will declare he is running for president if he wins.

Pacquiao's trust rating as of this late has declined due to his attack on the sitting President which enjoyed a very high trust rating even if this is his last year in the position. Before Manny flew for the US, he accused some government agencies of corruption which he could not prove, and instead of doing his job as a senator, where he is in the US training for his fight while the people he ought to serve is in danger of this delta variant of covid.

He might not admit but he is distracted by the issues on his home country. Believe it or not, more people are now praying that Pacquiao will lose this one because they feel that Manny is selfish and only after his own interest.

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Quote from: Baofeng on July 28, 2021, 06:41:08 AM

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Quote from: Baofeng on July 26, 2021, 01:09:38 PM

Interesting to hear the Freddie Roach first choice is Mikey Garcia,

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“He wasn’t my first choice,” Roach said of Spence to Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports. “I was leaning toward Mikey Garcia, because he challenged us several times and so forth. When Manny picked Spence, I said, ‘Congratulations, you picked the best guy out there.’”

https://www.boxingscene.com/roach-admits-spence-not-his-first-choice-pacquiao-he-leaning-mikey-garcia--159392

That's why perhaps the Garcia's camp was surprised that Manny eventually chooses Spence and that's why the lawsuit.

But I guess Manny just wanted a bigger purse and instead goes for a bigger risk bigger reward on Errol Spence.

I disagree. It will not be for a bigger purse. I read Pacman’s present situation and found that he wants to run for president of the Philippines as the opposition. I reckon a win versus the best welterweight boxer, according to the experts, my choice for that is Terrence Crawford, in any case it will make his survey ratings pump! His popularity will go to the moon and it will certainly give him a better chance to win against the incumbent’s candidate.

But it will just a few millions off, Pacman is already famous in the Philippines, he doesn't need a signature victory against Spence to put him as the next President. And obviously, if he goes against the administration, it will be his downfall. I'm sure majority of the Filipinos will agree that Pacman has a slim chance of winning the election. He did attack the sitting President as far as corruption goes, and Duterte doesn't like it. Philippine politics is very different, dirty at the most. He can't just go to the opposition and then be declared as started bearer. Opposition has already have their slate as early as this. And he has been ousted as the ruling party' because of his attack on Duterte. Best case for him is to create a new party.

As @Natalim has pointed out, politics and boxing are two different things. His popularity will only go that far, winning as senator, but as President, I doubt that he can win it.

I reckon you underestimate popularity in elections because in reality elections are only a popularity contest. Trump won versus Hillary on 2016 because of his popularity among the lower class in America. I speculate that it might be similar in Pacman’s country. This win versus Spence will create a clamor for him to run as president.

Also, if the news media begins creating storylines that the present administration of a country is corrupt, unjust and oppressive, this is the first signs that there are political backers begining their move. Pacman will be with that move. In any case, I predict that he will declare he is running for president if he wins.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on July 28, 2021, 08:20:35 AM

Quote from: harizen on July 28, 2021, 07:13:48 AM

Quote from: Obito on July 28, 2021, 06:49:19 AM

It's bad right now, now that the election is coming, they are censoring people that are expressing their freedom. Also, war against drugs is a failure from the start, I mean US did it during Nixon's time and there's still an Opioid and Crack Epidemic as of now.

Can we please refrain from posting like that here? It's ok to discuss some side politics here but not that kind of argument as it has nothing to do with Pacquiao and Spence's fight or Pacquiao's political view. There are lots of threads around or you can start a discussion on it. Just be ready with your solid argument with proofs and not just because of how you see the situation.

Going back to the topic, a fellow PH boxer was confirmed part of the undercard for the Pacquiao-Spence fight.

Mark Magsayo, an unbeaten orthodox featherweight fighter will up against super bantamweight Julio Ceja.

2 open slots remaining to complete the four-fight main card.

Yes, Mark Magnifico Magsayo has a bright future ahead of him and since he is under MP promotions he is obviously going to be included in the under card for his boss fight.

But it's not going to be easy, as far as I can remember, Ceja used to be a champion, so he has some wares to his arsenal and could give Magsayo a tough but interesting fight.

It would be nice if the odds of the undercards are also available now as the main card. I search Magsayo in my book and no name was displayed, so we don't have an idea now on what is the betting odds of this fight, I hope Magsayo will be an underdog.

His opponent does not have a good record in his last 3 fights.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/504563

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Quote from: john_nautica on July 28, 2021, 08:31:56 AM

It looks like the odds are in favor with Spence Jr? I really like this discussion, I was planning to place bet on this even but I'm not quite sure which fighter I should place bet on, both of them are great fighters but Spence is younger than Pacquiao and also he has a lot of experience and undefeated with a score of 27 wins and 21 KO.

There's no betting advice here, just follow your heart because both fighters are great fighters, but if you are looking for better odds, go with the underdog which is betting on the legend of boxing.

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Is there a live bet on this kind of match?

Most sites have, it should not be a problem especially if the match will last

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It looks like the odds are in favor with Spence Jr? I really like this discussion, I was planning to place bet on this even but I'm not quite sure which fighter I should place bet on, both of them are great fighters but Spence is younger than Pacquiao and also he has a lot of experience and undefeated with a score of 27 wins and 21 KO. Is there a live bet on this kind of match?

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Quote from: harizen on July 28, 2021, 07:13:48 AM

Quote from: Obito on July 28, 2021, 06:49:19 AM

It's bad right now, now that the election is coming, they are censoring people that are expressing their freedom. Also, war against drugs is a failure from the start, I mean US did it during Nixon's time and there's still an Opioid and Crack Epidemic as of now.

Can we please refrain from posting like that here? It's ok to discuss some side politics here but not that kind of argument as it has nothing to do with Pacquiao and Spence's fight or Pacquiao's political view. There are lots of threads around or you can start a discussion on it. Just be ready with your solid argument with proofs and not just because of how you see the situation.

Going back to the topic, a fellow PH boxer was confirmed part of the undercard for the Pacquiao-Spence fight.

Mark Magsayo, an unbeaten orthodox featherweight fighter will up against super bantamweight Julio Ceja.

2 open slots remaining to complete the four-fight main card.

Yes, Mark Magnifico Magsayo has a bright future ahead of him and since he is under MP promotions he is obviously going to be included in the under card for his boss fight.

But it's not going to be easy, as far as I can remember, Ceja used to be a champion, so he has some wares to his arsenal and could give Magsayo a tough but interesting fight.

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Quote from: harizen on July 28, 2021, 07:13:48 AM

Mark Magsayo, an unbeaten orthodox featherweight fighter will up against super bantamweight Julio Ceja.

2 open slots remaining to complete the four-fight main card.

This guy here has the potential to become one of the next big names in boxing history if he can give a good fight here by winning a clean knockout as Manny Pacquiao did years ago when he fought that champion in an undercard fight of Oscar Dela Hoya. that was his first recognition as the announcer was even struggling to pronounce his name. But after he won the fight with clean K.O, They pronounced his name cleanly until now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbBaa6cm2d4&ab_channel=TVsportsHighlights

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Quote from: Obito on July 28, 2021, 06:49:19 AM

It's bad right now, now that the election is coming, they are censoring people that are expressing their freedom. Also, war against drugs is a failure from the start, I mean US did it during Nixon's time and there's still an Opioid and Crack Epidemic as of now.

Can we please refrain from posting like that here? It's ok to discuss some side politics here but not that kind of argument as it has nothing to do with Pacquiao and Spence's fight or Pacquiao's political view. There are lots of threads around or you can start a discussion on it. Just be ready with your solid argument with proofs and not just because of how you see the situation.

Going back to the topic, a fellow PH boxer was confirmed part of the undercard for the Pacquiao-Spence fight.

Mark Magsayo, an unbeaten orthodox featherweight fighter will up against super bantamweight Julio Ceja.

2 open slots remaining to complete the four-fight main card.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on June 08, 2021, 08:38:49 AM

Quote from: Obito on June 08, 2021, 05:52:24 AM

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Really? I can't even comprehend how bad the situation in the Philippines if Duterte did not win the election, that would be the deepest shit IMO.

Pacquaio, if he decides to run for the presidency, I think that's a bad move for him but I don't think he would do it without consulting the people around him as it would be a waste of time and money running for the top position of the land and yet loses that one.

There's a 95 percent probability that this will be his farewell fight unless Mayweather decided to fight for that rematch.

It's bad right now, now that the election is coming, they are censoring people that are expressing their freedom. Also, war against drugs is a failure from the start, I mean US did it during Nixon's time and there's still an Opioid and Crack Epidemic as of now. Pacquiao isn't a good candidate for president, in the senate where he is currently right now, he has the lowest attendance in hearings and you can count the laws that he have authored or co-authored in your fingers.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 28, 2021, 02:57:20 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on July 26, 2021, 01:09:38 PM

Interesting to hear the Freddie Roach first choice is Mikey Garcia,

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“He wasn’t my first choice,” Roach said of Spence to Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports. “I was leaning toward Mikey Garcia, because he challenged us several times and so forth. When Manny picked Spence, I said, ‘Congratulations, you picked the best guy out there.’”

https://www.boxingscene.com/roach-admits-spence-not-his-first-choice-pacquiao-he-leaning-mikey-garcia--159392

That's why perhaps the Garcia's camp was surprised that Manny eventually chooses Spence and that's why the lawsuit.

But I guess Manny just wanted a bigger purse and instead goes for a bigger risk bigger reward on Errol Spence.

I disagree. It will not be for a bigger purse. I read Pacman’s present situation and found that he wants to run for president of the Philippines as the opposition. I reckon a win versus the best welterweight boxer, according to the experts, my choice for that is Terrence Crawford, in any case it will make his survey ratings pump! His popularity will go to the moon and it will certainly give him a better chance to win against the incumbent’s candidate.

But it will just a few millions off, Pacman is already famous in the Philippines, he doesn't need a signature victory against Spence to put him as the next President. And obviously, if he goes against the administration, it will be his downfall. I'm sure majority of the Filipinos will agree that Pacman has a slim chance of winning the election. He did attack the sitting President as far as corruption goes, and Duterte doesn't like it. Philippine politics is very different, dirty at the most. He can't just go to the opposition and then be declared as started bearer. Opposition has already have their slate as early as this. And he has been ousted as the ruling party' because of his attack on Duterte. Best case for him is to create a new party.

As @Natalim has pointed out, politics and boxing are two different things. His popularity will only go that far, winning as senator, but as President, I doubt that he can win it.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 28, 2021, 02:57:20 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on July 26, 2021, 01:09:38 PM

Interesting to hear the Freddie Roach first choice is Mikey Garcia,

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“He wasn’t my first choice,” Roach said of Spence to Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports. “I was leaning toward Mikey Garcia, because he challenged us several times and so forth. When Manny picked Spence, I said, ‘Congratulations, you picked the best guy out there.’”

https://www.boxingscene.com/roach-admits-spence-not-his-first-choice-pacquiao-he-leaning-mikey-garcia--159392

That's why perhaps the Garcia's camp was surprised that Manny eventually chooses Spence and that's why the lawsuit.

But I guess Manny just wanted a bigger purse and instead goes for a bigger risk bigger reward on Errol Spence.

I disagree. It will not be for a bigger purse. I read Pacman’s present situation and found that he wants to run for president of the Philippines as the opposition. I reckon a win versus the best welterweight boxer, according to the experts, my choice for that is Terrence Crawford, in any case it will make his survey ratings pump! His popularity will go to the moon and it will certainly give him a better chance to win against the incumbent’s candidate.

I doubt his popularity will be the key to winning the President, boxing and politics are two different things, he may be good in boxing, no doubt because he is a legend but I doubt he can be a good President if ever he wins. if you look at Pacquiao's academic records and political experience, you know know that he is not matured and experience enough to run a country.

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Quote from: Baofeng on July 26, 2021, 01:09:38 PM

Interesting to hear the Freddie Roach first choice is Mikey Garcia,

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“He wasn’t my first choice,” Roach said of Spence to Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports. “I was leaning toward Mikey Garcia, because he challenged us several times and so forth. When Manny picked Spence, I said, ‘Congratulations, you picked the best guy out there.’”

https://www.boxingscene.com/roach-admits-spence-not-his-first-choice-pacquiao-he-leaning-mikey-garcia--159392

That's why perhaps the Garcia's camp was surprised that Manny eventually chooses Spence and that's why the lawsuit.

But I guess Manny just wanted a bigger purse and instead goes for a bigger risk bigger reward on Errol Spence.

I disagree. It will not be for a bigger purse. I read Pacman’s present situation and found that he wants to run for president of the Philippines as the opposition. I reckon a win versus the best welterweight boxer, according to the experts, my choice for that is Terrence Crawford, in any case it will make his survey ratings pump! His popularity will go to the moon and it will certainly give him a better chance to win against the incumbent’s candidate.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on July 27, 2021, 05:28:35 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 26, 2021, 04:35:33 PM

If I had to choose between two options for how Pacquiao would win - by knockout or by decision, then I would have bet on the knockout. In my opinion, there is simply no chance of winning on points, since all rounds after the middle Spence will dominate (maybe I'm wrong, but that's my prediction), but there is always a chance to make a lucky punch.

This would be a wise choice I think. In the first few rounds of the fight, Pacman will show his speed and power but in the later rounds it will fade just like in the Thurman fight and that's the time Spence could exploit him.

Not saying that Manny would completely gas out but the chances are too high since he is 3 years older when he fought Thurman and I don't believe that he will defy father time and still fought like he is in his prime unless he is drinking something which I don't think he is capable of.

Even prior to the Thurman fight, Manny has shown that he is slowing down in the mid rounds because he seems to be very tired, against Broner it was also evident, the thing is that Broner just chooses to turtle and play defense. But in the Thurman fight, Manny got hit a lot flush in the face that's why he was also affected to cause him to gas out. Good thing is that he has a knock down and has stolen few rounds already. So they need to really work out that stamina because Spence is much difficult fight for him at this point of his career.

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But for now I hope many will focus his fight and forget the politics since this could bring more destruction unto him.

Manny doesn't look like he was affected, he looks in good condition and I believe he will be able to give his 100% come the fight night. Spence looks humble as well, not sure if he is too focus or he just showed some fear against the legend, we will know that once they are in the ring.

odds have really dropped to 2.65, comes next month, I think it will still drop a bit.

We can't really tell if he is affected or not behind doors. It's politics and in the Philippines, it is very dirty. So currently, we are only seeing him training so hard in the gym.

But what happens after that, when he and his closest friends are in the house, for sure they are discussing the political climate in the Philippines and Pacquiao being the target by pro-administration.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on July 27, 2021, 05:28:35 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 26, 2021, 04:35:33 PM

If I had to choose between two options for how Pacquiao would win - by knockout or by decision, then I would have bet on the knockout. In my opinion, there is simply no chance of winning on points, since all rounds after the middle Spence will dominate (maybe I'm wrong, but that's my prediction), but there is always a chance to make a lucky punch.

This would be a wise choice I think. In the first few rounds of the fight, Pacman will show his speed and power but in the later rounds it will fade just like in the Thurman fight and that's the time Spence could exploit him.

Not saying that Manny would completely gas out but the chances are too high since he is 3 years older when he fought Thurman and I don't believe that he will defy father time and still fought like he is in his prime unless he is drinking something which I don't think he is capable of.

By the way, this is a good betting opportunity. I don't like to bet online, but if Pacquiao has a good lead in this match in the first rounds, then the odds on Spence's victory will go up a lot and this will be a great opportunity to bet on him. Of course, there is always a chance that Pacquiao will lead the fight to victory Grin

but there is nothing guaranteed in betting.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on July 27, 2021, 05:28:35 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 26, 2021, 04:35:33 PM

If I had to choose between two options for how Pacquiao would win - by knockout or by decision, then I would have bet on the knockout. In my opinion, there is simply no chance of winning on points, since all rounds after the middle Spence will dominate (maybe I'm wrong, but that's my prediction), but there is always a chance to make a lucky punch.

This would be a wise choice I think. In the first few rounds of the fight, Pacman will show his speed and power but in the later rounds it will fade just like in the Thurman fight and that's the time Spence could exploit him.

Not saying that Manny would completely gas out but the chances are too high since he is 3 years older when he fought Thurman and I don't believe that he will defy father time and still fought like he is in his prime unless he is drinking something which I don't think he is capable of.

^ Possible.
But did you think guys about the negative side of Manny Pacquiao? What if Errol Spence here luckily will win this match because as we can see Manny is too old in his boxing career and probably he won't survive for a long fight, as we can always witness all of his fights he was a better fighter at that start but after in the next 5 rounds he just likes losing power. Nevertheless, that is only my conclusion to him that will probably happen in the future, this will create a trend once Manny will defeat in this match.

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Quote from: ultrloa on July 27, 2021, 09:35:15 AM

But for now I hope many will focus his fight and forget the politics since this could bring more destruction unto him.

Manny doesn't look like he was affected, he looks in good condition and I believe he will be able to give his 100% come the fight night. Spence looks humble as well, not sure if he is too focus or he just showed some fear against the legend, we will know that once they are in the ring.

odds have really dropped to 2.65, comes next month, I think it will still drop a bit.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 26, 2021, 04:35:33 PM

If I had to choose between two options for how Pacquiao would win - by knockout or by decision, then I would have bet on the knockout. In my opinion, there is simply no chance of winning on points, since all rounds after the middle Spence will dominate (maybe I'm wrong, but that's my prediction), but there is always a chance to make a lucky punch.

This would be a wise choice I think. In the first few rounds of the fight, Pacman will show his speed and power but in the later rounds it will fade just like in the Thurman fight and that's the time Spence could exploit him.

Not saying that Manny would completely gas out but the chances are too high since he is 3 years older when he fought Thurman and I don't believe that he will defy father time and still fought like he is in his prime unless he is drinking something which I don't think he is capable of.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 27, 2021, 09:11:57 AM

Quote from: TimeTeller on July 26, 2021, 05:04:37 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 26, 2021, 04:35:33 PM

If I had to choose between two options for how Pacquiao would win - by knockout or by decision, then I would have bet on the knockout. In my opinion, there is simply no chance of winning on points, since all rounds after the middle Spence will dominate (maybe I'm wrong, but that's my prediction), but there is always a chance to make a lucky punch.

I would prefer TKO also by Pacquiao here. And should be at the early rounds.
If this fight will last long and if you are relying from the decision of judges, Spence may have the chance.
A lot of boxing fans are looking forward to this event, even ex-boxers and boxing experts are giving their own breakdown of this upcoming fight.
Definitely, tons of money will be involved in this match. Both boxers may not have signed a very high paying contract here, but maybe they will get good money from PPV and gate purse.

It may not be a record fight in terms of royalties, but in any case, the fighters will receive guaranteed millions of dollars, plus royalties from broadcasts and sponsors, so I did not worry about them in that sense Grin

And by the way, in my opinion, now any boxer should be glad that he has the opportunity to conduct fights as before the pandemic,

Especially if they know that their name will be boosted after the fight either they win or lose thats why I agree with you that many will love the opportumity to fight the legendary fighter since this is really a good earning opportunity for both of them. But for now I hope many will focus his fight and forget the politics since this could bring more destruction unto him.

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