Topic: [Boxing]: Manny Pacquiao vs Errol Spence Jr - August 21 - page 19. (Read 8247 times)

Quote from: KTChampions on July 23, 2021, 04:27:17 PM

It already happened in other sports AFAIR, like in the NBA, in the opening line, one team is the favorites but where there's bad news that could potentially affect the performance of the favorites, the odds flip and the underdog become the favorites, so bookies have no problem with that.

But in that particular case, it's a team. Here, it's a 1v1. If there's an injury happened, the fight might be canceled or delayed until both teams are 100% full health. Unlike in team matches that the game will still continue.

The problem with Boxing's minor injuries is that, we don't know a specific fighter is suffering a minor injury that a fighter thought It wouldn't affect his conditioning, until he loses and opened up about a minor injury he's suffering before the fight.
One of the major example is when Pacquiao fought Mayweather with am injured right arms.
https://tv5.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/12811381/manny-pacquiao-fought-floyd-mayweather-injured-right-shoulder-denied-anti-inflammatory-shot-locker-room
If I remember Pacquiao didn't opened up about this injury until after the fight. This could've prevented some of the bettors to bet in favour of Pacquiao.

Also, boxing odds are totally different with team sports.

Another great example is Loma vs Lopez, in which Loma remains silent about his shoulder injury until he already lost the fight. Maybe they don't want to jeopardised the fight and not about the bettors that's why they keep on fighting and on schedule despite their injuries.

And there are fighters who injured themselves in the actual fight, broken hands, broken orbital bones (Inoue vs Donaire). But as per the current odds, yeah it's really enticing to have Manny as 2.60-2.70 odds underdog.

That's unfair to the winner if a certain fighter makes excuses about his injury after the fight. For me, it's disrespectful as it's not giving credit to the winner, if the boxer has an injury, he should be transparent with it as bettors believe he is fighting with a healthy body and with good training, so they are confident that the boxer will win.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 23, 2021, 11:16:34 AM

I don't think the bookmakers have the resource to continue changing odds even if they want to. If they do this, then for many bettors who made early bets, there will be an opportunity to make a counter to their early bet and be guaranteed to win. Most likely, those changes that we saw the last, further serious changes in odds should be expected during online.

Well, they have no choice to move the odds if people are putting a lot of money on Pacquiao to win, they will have to balance the odds as their concern is just to make commissions on the winning bets, they are not really like casinos or the house that accepts the bet against themselves.

It already happened in other sports AFAIR, like in the NBA, in the opening line, one team is the favorites but where there's bad news that could potentially affect the performance of the favorites, the odds flip and the underdog become the favorites, so bookies have no problem with that.

My prediction is Pacquiao will still remain as the underdog though the odds will decrease a bit.

And how big are the shifts in the odds from the bookmakers that you've personally witnessed? I have been doing research on this topic for a very long time (for myself), it seems it was the 14th World Cup. I wrote down the odds from the bookmakers that they gave before the start of the group stage for all three matches, after 2 out of 3 matches were played, I was looking for teams that performed much worse or much better than expected. Theoretically, the odds on the 3rd match should have been seriously changed, but nothing of the kind happened. Has something really changed since those times?

This odds shift normally happens when the opening odds of both teams are close to each other. For example in sports, when a superstar is announce doubtful at the start, the odds are still in their favor, but an hour before the game when it's announced that the certain player is not available, so the odds will certainly jump from favorites to underdog. This happens in any sport but it does not happen on a daily basis.

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It already happened in other sports AFAIR, like in the NBA, in the opening line, one team is the favorites but where there's bad news that could potentially affect the performance of the favorites, the odds flip and the underdog become the favorites, so bookies have no problem with that.

But in that particular case, it's a team. Here, it's a 1v1. If there's an injury happened, the fight might be canceled or delayed until both teams are 100% full health. Unlike in team matches that the game will still continue.

The problem with Boxing's minor injuries is that, we don't know a specific fighter is suffering a minor injury that a fighter thought It wouldn't affect his conditioning, until he loses and opened up about a minor injury he's suffering before the fight.
One of the major example is when Pacquiao fought Mayweather with am injured right arms.
https://tv5.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/12811381/manny-pacquiao-fought-floyd-mayweather-injured-right-shoulder-denied-anti-inflammatory-shot-locker-room
If I remember Pacquiao didn't opened up about this injury until after the fight. This could've prevented some of the bettors to bet in favour of Pacquiao.

Also, boxing odds are totally different with team sports.

Another great example is Loma vs Lopez, in which Loma remains silent about his shoulder injury until he already lost the fight. Maybe they don't want to jeopardised the fight and not about the bettors that's why they keep on fighting and on schedule despite their injuries.

And there are fighters who injured themselves in the actual fight, broken hands, broken orbital bones (Inoue vs Donaire). But as per the current odds, yeah it's really enticing to have Manny as 2.60-2.70 odds underdog.

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It already happened in other sports AFAIR, like in the NBA, in the opening line, one team is the favorites but where there's bad news that could potentially affect the performance of the favorites, the odds flip and the underdog become the favorites, so bookies have no problem with that.

But in that particular case, it's a team. Here, it's a 1v1. If there's an injury happened, the fight might be canceled or delayed until both teams are 100% full health. Unlike in team matches that the game will still continue.

The problem with Boxing's minor injuries is that, we don't know a specific fighter is suffering a minor injury that a fighter thought It wouldn't affect his conditioning, until he loses and opened up about a minor injury he's suffering before the fight.
One of the major example is when Pacquiao fought Mayweather with am injured right arms.
https://tv5.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/12811381/manny-pacquiao-fought-floyd-mayweather-injured-right-shoulder-denied-anti-inflammatory-shot-locker-room
If I remember Pacquiao didn't opened up about this injury until after the fight. This could've prevented some of the bettors to bet in favour of Pacquiao.

Also, boxing odds are totally different with team sports.

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It already happened in other sports AFAIR, like in the NBA, in the opening line, one team is the favorites but where there's bad news that could potentially affect the performance of the favorites, the odds flip and the underdog become the favorites, so bookies have no problem with that.

But in that particular case, it's a team. Here, it's a 1v1. If there's an injury happened, the fight might be canceled or delayed until both teams are 100% full health. Unlike in team matches that the game will still continue.

Anyways, based on the discussion, you guys are still expecting a turnout of underdog becoming a favorite on this match? Almost less than a month left, I don't think there will be a big change on odds.

Any odds over @2.5 is a great bet for Pacquiao. Stake.com currently provides a @2.7 odds for Pacquiao. The best odds I've seen so far with only a slight difference to other sportsbooks.

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Well, they have no choice to move the odds if people are putting a lot of money on Pacquiao to win, they will have to balance the odds as their concern is just to make commissions on the winning bets, they are not really like casinos or the house that accepts the bet against themselves.

It already happened in other sports AFAIR, like in the NBA, in the opening line, one team is the favorites but where there's bad news that could potentially affect the performance of the favorites, the odds flip and the underdog become the favorites, so bookies have no problem with that.

My prediction is Pacquiao will still remain as the underdog though the odds will decrease a bit.

Probably, Manny Pacquiao will still be an underdog in this match but the odds may not be as huge as it opens.

If you really are a Pacman fan, the best time to place the bet was when the odds were still @3.xxx.

Personally, I'm not going to bet early even though the stake is high because my money would be a trap for a long period of time which I don't like

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Videos of Manny training really hype this fight in his favor, don't be deceived by that aspect because that's normal for Manny when he trains. I would be like a broken record here, endurance and stamina would be the critical factor coming into this fight.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 23, 2021, 11:16:34 AM

I don't think the bookmakers have the resource to continue changing odds even if they want to. If they do this, then for many bettors who made early bets, there will be an opportunity to make a counter to their early bet and be guaranteed to win. Most likely, those changes that we saw the last, further serious changes in odds should be expected during online.

Well, they have no choice to move the odds if people are putting a lot of money on Pacquiao to win, they will have to balance the odds as their concern is just to make commissions on the winning bets, they are not really like casinos or the house that accepts the bet against themselves.

It already happened in other sports AFAIR, like in the NBA, in the opening line, one team is the favorites but where there's bad news that could potentially affect the performance of the favorites, the odds flip and the underdog become the favorites, so bookies have no problem with that.

My prediction is Pacquiao will still remain as the underdog though the odds will decrease a bit.

And how big are the shifts in the odds from the bookmakers that you've personally witnessed? I have been doing research on this topic for a very long time (for myself), it seems it was the 14th World Cup. I wrote down the odds from the bookmakers that they gave before the start of the group stage for all three matches, after 2 out of 3 matches were played, I was looking for teams that performed much worse or much better than expected. Theoretically, the odds on the 3rd match should have been seriously changed, but nothing of the kind happened. Has something really changed since those times?

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Quote from: agustina2 on July 22, 2021, 11:44:02 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 23, 2021, 11:16:34 AM

About the odds, I think we saw the same with Thurman and that will change until the day comes of the fight.

I don't think it will be the same. Spence Jr and Thurman aren't on the same caliber and level. The former is much more dominant and can create more hype.

While the fight is approaching, Spence Jr will still be the favorite in the match.

For Manny Pacquiao bettors, I don't know what are you waiting for aside from money, bet now or else, you all have no choice but to hug the possible @2.0 odds.

It's okay if we're going to bet now with that odd.

But it's also okay to wait for more changes with that odds. Well, good thing if the odds goes higher and you're for Manny and if not and that's fine if the odds remains the same or didn't go with what you're waiting for.

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Quote from: Distinctin on July 23, 2021, 08:50:01 AM

Nice advice mate, we can get good odds if we bet now, it's like we are giving a discount for early investors, so we should try to get the best odds. As we can see, the odds had decreased and it might continue to decrease as the fight is near to the scheduled date. I'm all for Manny to win this fight, I even expect a KO against a big opponent, so betting early is really the right thing to do now.

I don't think the bookmakers have the resource to continue changing odds even if they want to. If they do this, then for many bettors who made early bets, there will be an opportunity to make a counter to their early bet and be guaranteed to win. Most likely, those changes that we saw the last, further serious changes in odds should be expected during online.

Well, they have no choice to move the odds if people are putting a lot of money on Pacquiao to win, they will have to balance the odds as their concern is just to make commissions on the winning bets, they are not really like casinos or the house that accepts the bet against themselves.

It already happened in other sports AFAIR, like in the NBA, in the opening line, one team is the favorites but where there's bad news that could potentially affect the performance of the favorites, the odds flip and the underdog become the favorites, so bookies have no problem with that.

My prediction is Pacquiao will still remain as the underdog though the odds will decrease a bit.

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I even expect a KO against a big opponent, so betting early is really the right thing to do now.

Let's wait for the odds so we will know how attractive the odds are from an underdog fighter.

We have to wait a week before the fight, I'm sure the handicap odds will be available, but for now, these are the only odds we see. I don't know about fiat sportsbook, I think they are more advance and has a better market, so maybe we can also check on the popular betting sites out there.

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Nice advice mate, we can get good odds if we bet now, it's like we are giving a discount for early investors, so we should try to get the best odds. As we can see, the odds had decreased and it might continue to decrease as the fight is near to the scheduled date. I'm all for Manny to win this fight, I even expect a KO against a big opponent, so betting early is really the right thing to do now.

I don't think the bookmakers have the resource to continue changing odds even if they want to. If they do this, then for many bettors who made early bets, there will be an opportunity to make a counter to their early bet and be guaranteed to win. Most likely, those changes that we saw the last, further serious changes in odds should be expected during online.

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I'm all for Manny to win this fight,

same here, I will continue backing him to win because he always proves people wrong.
The last time I bet on him against Thurman, I was so confident that he will win, I was a bit nervous in the later rounds but happy that he ended up as a winner.

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I even expect a KO against a big opponent, so betting early is really the right thing to do now.

Let's wait for the odds so we will know how attractive the odds are from an underdog fighter.

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About the odds, I think we saw the same with Thurman and that will change until the day comes of the fight.

I don't think it will be the same. Spence Jr and Thurman aren't on the same caliber and level. The former is much more dominant and can create more hype.

While the fight is approaching, Spence Jr will still be the favorite in the match.

For Manny Pacquiao bettors, I don't know what are you waiting for aside from money, bet now or else, you all have no choice but to hug the possible @2.0 odds.

Nice advice mate, we can get good odds if we bet now, it's like we are giving a discount for early investors, so we should try to get the best odds. As we can see, the odds had decreased and it might continue to decrease as the fight is near to the scheduled date. I'm all for Manny to win this fight, I even expect a KO against a big opponent, so betting early is really the right thing to do now.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 21, 2021, 10:42:15 AM

About the odds, I think we saw the same with Thurman and that will change until the day comes of the fight.

I don't think it will be the same. Spence Jr and Thurman aren't on the same caliber and level. The former is much more dominant and can create more hype.

While the fight is approaching, Spence Jr will still be the favorite in the match.

For Manny Pacquiao bettors, I don't know what are you waiting for aside from money, bet now or else, you all have no choice but to hug the possible @2.0 odds.

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Yes, the victory will be good in any case, but the funny thing is that if it takes place, then many will later say "this is a victory over an old star, now if he was younger ...", and if he cannot win, it will be almost a collapse since everyone will say that he could not defeat the aging champion.

I think we can really take that out in the equation, throughout boxing's history we have seen that.

Just like what Pacquiao did to Oscar, there could be arguments that Oscar by that time is old and can't pull the trigger anymore. So that could be the excuse, but the thing is how that boxer career went after beating a legendary. And we have seen Manny's career flourish after that.

So if ever Spence beat Pacquiao here, he will be judge on how his career will move. He could chase Thurman or Crawford or any other champion in the 147 lbs and could be on the road to become legendary himself, someday.

Still, I think that we cannot discard such statements. Any boxer will eventually lose the title due to age, this is a fact. And the one who defeated him must, by his subsequent actions and victories over other strong boxers in the prime of their years, prove that he has the right to greatness.
In fact, it turns out that this victory will be useless (globally), but defeat in such a fight, one might say, puts an end to the young boxer's claims to greatness.

I do agree, age will be a big factor against Pacquiao, he is already a legendary and a should be in the hall of fame the first year he is eligible.

So the ball is on Spence, if he can be the next cash cow and could remain the a dominant welterweight in years to come because there are a lot of good and elite boxers in this division.

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This might be a tough fight for Pacquiao with his age vs the young Errol Spence Jr with a 27 win with 21 KO well this is gonna be interesting match we will see if Pacquiao still can stand against new and young competitors it's nice to see him fight until now, is there an odds already for this match?

His age matters for many fans but I still see him in good shape and I don't think it will be a hindrance with this match.

It's going to be experienced versus toughness and strength for Spence. Well, I still think that Pacquiao is going to get this match after all but I'm not belittling or discrediting the records and experience of Spence Jr.

It's simple, just forget about his age now and remember how he beat his young opponent in his previous fight. I don't understand why some experts really target Manny's age as his weakness when in fact in has not anymore lose in the past fights. They can't believe that Manny is just too rare, he is a legend and he is special, no boxer could beat him now.

It's okay.

We usually see those debates that they're bringing because that's what they think. But, let's all wait until the fight day comes and how he'll going to prove them wrong.

So you are rooting for Manny Pacquiao to win this fight? Same here, I'm concern about the odds now, changes now are in favor of Manny Pacquiao.

I check the betting odds are here's the odds movement that I saw.

open at 2.80, rise to 2.80, now at 2.65. ..I guess it will just go down as the fight is approaching.

Yes I am.

About the odds, I think we saw the same with Thurman and that will change until the day comes of the fight.

I guess it's time to start betting now if you are rooting for Pacquiao to win, the odds are dropping, you will lose the value as the game is approaching. However, I don't think it will be the same exact situation with Thurman as Pacquiao ended as the favorite when the fight was close its schedule, this fight I don't see the good going down below 2.00.

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This might be a tough fight for Pacquiao with his age vs the young Errol Spence Jr with a 27 win with 21 KO well this is gonna be interesting match we will see if Pacquiao still can stand against new and young competitors it's nice to see him fight until now, is there an odds already for this match?

His age matters for many fans but I still see him in good shape and I don't think it will be a hindrance with this match.

It's going to be experienced versus toughness and strength for Spence. Well, I still think that Pacquiao is going to get this match after all but I'm not belittling or discrediting the records and experience of Spence Jr.

It's simple, just forget about his age now and remember how he beat his young opponent in his previous fight. I don't understand why some experts really target Manny's age as his weakness when in fact in has not anymore lose in the past fights. They can't believe that Manny is just too rare, he is a legend and he is special, no boxer could beat him now.

But as we discuss he's aging now and its dangerous for him to fight young fighters since he may suffer from serious injury if Spencer hit him up harder. Although we know he's legendary but for the fact that his mind is not in focus totally in boxing maybe we should be worried about his incoming fight, his opponent is young and have power to knock off his enemy. I hope Pacquiao will win this fight since this coupd add on his legacy as a legendary boxer.

He understands that he is old but his body is still fit to fight and receive heavy punches. The problem is, we are too concerned with Manny getting injured in the fight but he is just smiling when ask about the fight, meaning he himself knows he can handle the punch of Spence and he can beat Spence.

We do know the condition of our body and if he do just smiles or smirk then he do definitely know that he's still capable of on enduring blows from younger boxers out there but we know that it wont
be known until it would be proven out and that what makes the crowd been expecting to see on if he do still had that charisma or charm that would impress out the fans.
If he would lose this fight then people would be having that impression or suggestions instead about on retiring and theres no need to prove out more since
he had already able to do so.

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This might be a tough fight for Pacquiao with his age vs the young Errol Spence Jr with a 27 win with 21 KO well this is gonna be interesting match we will see if Pacquiao still can stand against new and young competitors it's nice to see him fight until now, is there an odds already for this match?

His age matters for many fans but I still see him in good shape and I don't think it will be a hindrance with this match.

It's going to be experienced versus toughness and strength for Spence. Well, I still think that Pacquiao is going to get this match after all but I'm not belittling or discrediting the records and experience of Spence Jr.

It's simple, just forget about his age now and remember how he beat his young opponent in his previous fight. I don't understand why some experts really target Manny's age as his weakness when in fact in has not anymore lose in the past fights. They can't believe that Manny is just too rare, he is a legend and he is special, no boxer could beat him now.

It's okay.

We usually see those debates that they're bringing because that's what they think. But, let's all wait until the fight day comes and how he'll going to prove them wrong.

So you are rooting for Manny Pacquiao to win this fight? Same here, I'm concern about the odds now, changes now are in favor of Manny Pacquiao.

I check the betting odds are here's the odds movement that I saw.

open at 2.80, rise to 2.80, now at 2.65. ..I guess it will just go down as the fight is approaching.

Yes I am.

About the odds, I think we saw the same with Thurman and that will change until the day comes of the fight.

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