[Boxing]: Manny Pacquiao vs Errol Spence Jr - August 21 - page 17.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on July 26, 2021, 05:04:37 PM

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If I had to choose between two options for how Pacquiao would win - by knockout or by decision, then I would have bet on the knockout. In my opinion, there is simply no chance of winning on points, since all rounds after the middle Spence will dominate (maybe I'm wrong, but that's my prediction), but there is always a chance to make a lucky punch.

I would prefer TKO also by Pacquiao here. And should be at the early rounds.
If this fight will last long and if you are relying from the decision of judges, Spence may have the chance.
A lot of boxing fans are looking forward to this event, even ex-boxers and boxing experts are giving their own breakdown of this upcoming fight.
Definitely, tons of money will be involved in this match. Both boxers may not have signed a very high paying contract here, but maybe they will get good money from PPV and gate purse.

It may not be a record fight in terms of royalties, but in any case, the fighters will receive guaranteed millions of dollars, plus royalties from broadcasts and sponsors, so I did not worry about them in that sense Grin

And by the way, in my opinion, now any boxer should be glad that he has the opportunity to conduct fights as before the pandemic, because for quite a long time they were all deprived of this opportunity.

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Truman was shocked to receive a knockdown in the first round, which significantly influenced the course of the entire fight, giving Pacquiao a huge advantage. If nothing like this happens in the first rounds with Spence, I am sure that Spence, thanks to his youth and strength, will dominate the second half of the fight.

It's really hard to see how this fight will turn out, as far as I know, Spence is a slow starter that's why Porter was able to get on him early and make him uncomfortable and win some points on judges score card. And then he adjust on the second half of the fight. Maybe Pacman can start hot too just like in the Thurman fight. He might not knock down Spence, but at least score some early round win on the judges so that he will have like a good lead going into the second fight. And usually Manny because of his age, gasses out or shall I say take some rounds off to recover, so that is the time that Spence can even up this fight. So it is really very hard to predict but majority thinks that Manny can win by decision here at least.

If I had to choose between two options for how Pacquiao would win - by knockout or by decision, then I would have bet on the knockout. In my opinion, there is simply no chance of winning on points, since all rounds after the middle Spence will dominate (maybe I'm wrong, but that's my prediction), but there is always a chance to make a lucky punch.

I would prefer TKO also by Pacquiao here. And should be at the early rounds.
If this fight will last long and if you are relying from the decision of judges, Spence may have the chance.
A lot of boxing fans are looking forward to this event, even ex-boxers and boxing experts are giving their own breakdown of this upcoming fight.
Definitely, tons of money will be involved in this match. Both boxers may not have signed a very high paying contract here, but maybe they will get good money from PPV and gate purse.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 26, 2021, 05:39:34 AM

Truman was shocked to receive a knockdown in the first round, which significantly influenced the course of the entire fight, giving Pacquiao a huge advantage. If nothing like this happens in the first rounds with Spence, I am sure that Spence, thanks to his youth and strength, will dominate the second half of the fight.

It's really hard to see how this fight will turn out, as far as I know, Spence is a slow starter that's why Porter was able to get on him early and make him uncomfortable and win some points on judges score card. And then he adjust on the second half of the fight. Maybe Pacman can start hot too just like in the Thurman fight. He might not knock down Spence, but at least score some early round win on the judges so that he will have like a good lead going into the second fight. And usually Manny because of his age, gasses out or shall I say take some rounds off to recover, so that is the time that Spence can even up this fight. So it is really very hard to predict but majority thinks that Manny can win by decision here at least.

If I had to choose between two options for how Pacquiao would win - by knockout or by decision, then I would have bet on the knockout. In my opinion, there is simply no chance of winning on points, since all rounds after the middle Spence will dominate (maybe I'm wrong, but that's my prediction), but there is always a chance to make a lucky punch.

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Quote from: Baofeng on July 26, 2021, 01:09:38 PM

Interesting to hear the Freddie Roach first choice is Mikey Garcia,

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“He wasn’t my first choice,” Roach said of Spence to Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports. “I was leaning toward Mikey Garcia, because he challenged us several times and so forth. When Manny picked Spence, I said, ‘Congratulations, you picked the best guy out there.’”

https://www.boxingscene.com/roach-admits-spence-not-his-first-choice-pacquiao-he-leaning-mikey-garcia--159392

That's why perhaps the Garcia's camp was surprised that Manny eventually chooses Spence and that's why the lawsuit.

But I guess Manny just wanted a bigger purse and instead goes for a bigger risk bigger reward on Errol Spence.

Manny knows what's best for him and I guess Roach understands who Manny was going to pick by that time.

He has probably been mocked already by those challenges and want Manny to pick him but well, good riddance.

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It's a no-brainer for me to think that Manny Pacquaio just wants to entertain people and not after the money.

He won't just fight anybody today without a guarantee of a big return. He's wise and taking his current status as an advantage to always get the better deal since he's conditioned and sure to himself that he can still fight and won against any boxer.

Saying he wants to entertain people is already a common thing. I doubt he's not after the money just because he is already rich. Pacquiao is not that dumb.

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Quote from: goinmerry on July 25, 2021, 07:31:36 AM

Maybe I will give it 60% true. Why? Because Manny today will only fight boxers if the price is right. He's already graduated from fighting with a small paycheck because he now reached the Legendary status. He's a businessman. He won't risk his old body to fight without something good in return.

Agreed, he's at a different level today, and as someone who started from the bottom, he'll be pragmatic and choose a fighter with a fair and large price because he's a Senator and a businessman right now with a large responsibilities, very different from the past. He won't risk himself for this fight since he doesn't need any titles because he's already accomplished everything in boxing, and he knows that boxing is mostly driven by money, so he'll give it a go if the stakes are high enough. Manny has already won the most prestigious title in boxing, "PEOPLE'S CHAMPION," and we will never forget the fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao.

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Interesting to hear the Freddie Roach first choice is Mikey Garcia,

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“He wasn’t my first choice,” Roach said of Spence to Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports. “I was leaning toward Mikey Garcia, because he challenged us several times and so forth. When Manny picked Spence, I said, ‘Congratulations, you picked the best guy out there.’”

https://www.boxingscene.com/roach-admits-spence-not-his-first-choice-pacquiao-he-leaning-mikey-garcia--159392

That's why perhaps the Garcia's camp was surprised that Manny eventually chooses Spence and that's why the lawsuit.

But I guess Manny just wanted a bigger purse and instead goes for a bigger risk bigger reward on Errol Spence.

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Some sportsbooks even allow you to cash out your bet during the fight, that's a good added feature as you are like treating your gambling activity as trading. Pacquiao's training is more public than Spence, so we only have an idea bout Pacquiao's condition than of Spence, and probably that's the reason for the odds swing in this fight.

This opportunity is provided by almost all top bookmakers now. The only question is its usefulness, usually the amount you can return is much less than what you can get if you wait for the outcome with the current result. I understand the mathematical background of this and I understand that bookmakers cannot give out money for free, but in my opinion such options are very unprofitable.

I don't think they'll put a feature that would make their business suffer, the cash-out option is a very good way of marketing, and honestly, I don't do cash out most of the time because I'm more thrilled when I wait for the outcome of the game. The odds that we saw now is not a disadvantage of the bookies whether we bet now or later, why? because the odds displayed would attract bettors from different sides.

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Hopefully Pacquiao can stop in time and this pursuit of money ends on a high note. It would be a shame if he went into battle until the very end and was regularly beaten by rivals and ended his career like the legendary Roy Jones Jr. - many vague fights and defeats. The body has grown old, it's time to go to another business.

Maybe we will tell that to him if he loses in this fight, as of now, he is still capable of winning and had proved that in his last fight. Pacquiao admitted that Thurman was a heavy puncher, but he was able to survive that hit, so it's possible he can also survive in this fight because Thurman and Spence are at par when it comes to skills and power.

Truman was shocked to receive a knockdown in the first round, which significantly influenced the course of the entire fight, giving Pacquiao a huge advantage. If nothing like this happens in the first rounds with Spence, I am sure that Spence, thanks to his youth and strength, will dominate the second half of the fight.

It's really hard to see how this fight will turn out, as far as I know, Spence is a slow starter that's why Porter was able to get on him early and make him uncomfortable and win some points on judges score card. And then he adjust on the second half of the fight. Maybe Pacman can start hot too just like in the Thurman fight. He might not knock down Spence, but at least score some early round win on the judges so that he will have like a good lead going into the second fight. And usually Manny because of his age, gasses out or shall I say take some rounds off to recover, so that is the time that Spence can even up this fight. So it is really very hard to predict but majority thinks that Manny can win by decision here at least.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 26, 2021, 05:39:34 AM

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 25, 2021, 05:18:37 PM

Hopefully Pacquiao can stop in time and this pursuit of money ends on a high note. It would be a shame if he went into battle until the very end and was regularly beaten by rivals and ended his career like the legendary Roy Jones Jr. - many vague fights and defeats. The body has grown old, it's time to go to another business.

Maybe we will tell that to him if he loses in this fight, as of now, he is still capable of winning and had proved that in his last fight. Pacquiao admitted that Thurman was a heavy puncher, but he was able to survive that hit, so it's possible he can also survive in this fight because Thurman and Spence are at par when it comes to skills and power.

Truman was shocked to receive a knockdown in the first round, which significantly influenced the course of the entire fight, giving Pacquiao a huge advantage. If nothing like this happens in the first rounds with Spence, I am sure that Spence, thanks to his youth and strength, will dominate the second half of the fight.

If you'll ask me, I would say that Thurman is faster than Spence though Spence is a heavy hitter than Thurman, so in order for Spence to win, he needs to hurt Manny Pacquiao so he will be tired in this fight and will win in the game. Spence should be the aggressor here, but he also have to be careful as Pacquiao's counter is so deadly.

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Quote from: Questat on July 25, 2021, 05:21:13 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 25, 2021, 05:18:37 PM

Hopefully Pacquiao can stop in time and this pursuit of money ends on a high note. It would be a shame if he went into battle until the very end and was regularly beaten by rivals and ended his career like the legendary Roy Jones Jr. - many vague fights and defeats. The body has grown old, it's time to go to another business.

Maybe we will tell that to him if he loses in this fight, as of now, he is still capable of winning and had proved that in his last fight. Pacquiao admitted that Thurman was a heavy puncher, but he was able to survive that hit, so it's possible he can also survive in this fight because Thurman and Spence are at par when it comes to skills and power.

Truman was shocked to receive a knockdown in the first round, which significantly influenced the course of the entire fight, giving Pacquiao a huge advantage. If nothing like this happens in the first rounds with Spence, I am sure that Spence, thanks to his youth and strength, will dominate the second half of the fight.

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Quote from: Viscore on July 25, 2021, 07:54:26 AM

He is definitely after for the money, though the guaranteed paycheck is only $5 million as reported, they can make a big revenue on the pay per view which would give both fighters a decent share as well. Though there's no figure yet as we will only know it after the fight, but I'm sure they'll make money as this fight is probably the biggest fight this year.

Hopefully Pacquiao can stop in time and this pursuit of money ends on a high note. It would be a shame if he went into battle until the very end and was regularly beaten by rivals and ended his career like the legendary Roy Jones Jr. - many vague fights and defeats. The body has grown old, it's time to go to another business.

Maybe we will tell that to him if he loses in this fight, as of now, he is still capable of winning and had proved that in his last fight. Pacquiao admitted that Thurman was a heavy puncher, but he was able to survive that hit, so it's possible he can also survive in this fight because Thurman and Spence are at par when it comes to skills and power.

I agree with this, Thurman was a tough opponent but Manny was able to win via split decision. Though Manny knockdown Thurman in the first round, he still comes back to finish the fight, and he really fights Manny toe to toe that's why Manny has struggled a bit against a young fighter.

If Manny's condition will improve in this fight, then it should be good for him and for the fight as Spence is better than Thurman.

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He is definitely after for the money, though the guaranteed paycheck is only $5 million as reported, they can make a big revenue on the pay per view which would give both fighters a decent share as well. Though there's no figure yet as we will only know it after the fight, but I'm sure they'll make money as this fight is probably the biggest fight this year.

Hopefully Pacquiao can stop in time and this pursuit of money ends on a high note. It would be a shame if he went into battle until the very end and was regularly beaten by rivals and ended his career like the legendary Roy Jones Jr. - many vague fights and defeats. The body has grown old, it's time to go to another business.

Maybe we will tell that to him if he loses in this fight, as of now, he is still capable of winning and had proved that in his last fight. Pacquiao admitted that Thurman was a heavy puncher, but he was able to survive that hit, so it's possible he can also survive in this fight because Thurman and Spence are at par when it comes to skills and power.

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Quote from: Viscore on July 25, 2021, 07:54:26 AM

He is definitely after for the money, though the guaranteed paycheck is only $5 million as reported, they can make a big revenue on the pay per view which would give both fighters a decent share as well. Though there's no figure yet as we will only know it after the fight, but I'm sure they'll make money as this fight is probably the biggest fight this year.

Hopefully Pacquiao can stop in time and this pursuit of money ends on a high note. It would be a shame if he went into battle until the very end and was regularly beaten by rivals and ended his career like the legendary Roy Jones Jr. - many vague fights and defeats. The body has grown old, it's time to go to another business.

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Quote from: mirakal on July 25, 2021, 04:45:58 PM

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You are correct, live gate entrance will also contribute to the revenue of this fight, and since most people are already vaccinated in the US, then we can expect that the tickets will be sold out in this fight. I have no idea on the capacity of the venue, but most probably it's a big one since this is a big fight like a Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight.

Not sure whether all the audience are vaccinated but they started accepting audience during sporting events in the US as they are selling out boxing and UFC events with full capacity and since this fight takes place next month, i do think that they already sold out the tickets already because Errol Spence has a fan following in the US and Manny Pacquiao has a large fan following all over the world and the fight is taking place in Las Vegan in T Mobile arena with a capacity of 18,000.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on July 25, 2021, 03:47:57 PM

Quote from: stadus on July 25, 2021, 08:56:50 AM

The current PPV subscription is $49.99, and there was a prediction that they could reach 1 million buys at max, so let's compute.

For 500 thousand PPV subs x $49.99 that's 24,995,000 USD, and 49,990,000 USD if they'll reach 1 million PPV buys.
With that amount, I think Manny will earn more than $5 million, so he will likely make $10 million to $15 million.
Correct me if my estimate is wrong.

Your estimate is right but if they make around $50 million in PPV you think the fighters will make only $15 million, what about the live gate and they usually make millions as well and especially for higher profile fights the gate money would be huge and it would be around $4 to $8 million and more for the live gate in big events and i am sure the fighters will be earning more than that, usually the PPV share amount is not revealed most of the time.

You are correct, live gate entrance will also contribute to the revenue of this fight, and since most people are already vaccinated in the US, then we can expect that the tickets will be sold out in this fight. I have no idea on the capacity of the venue, but most probably it's a big one since this is a big fight like a Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight.

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Quote from: stadus on July 25, 2021, 08:56:50 AM

The current PPV subscription is $49.99, and there was a prediction that they could reach 1 million buys at max, so let's compute.

For 500 thousand PPV subs x $49.99 that's 24,995,000 USD, and 49,990,000 USD if they'll reach 1 million PPV buys.
With that amount, I think Manny will earn more than $5 million, so he will likely make $10 million to $15 million.
Correct me if my estimate is wrong.

Your estimate is right but if they make around $50 million in PPV you think the fighters will make only $15 million, what about the live gate and they usually make millions as well and especially for higher profile fights the gate money would be huge and it would be around $4 to $8 million and more for the live gate in big events and i am sure the fighters will be earning more than that, usually the PPV share amount is not revealed most of the time.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on July 24, 2021, 11:23:55 AM

I am not used to booker operate when odds is amended, will they also change the odds of early bettor when the odd is amend?

I do not understand what you mean by odds amend? If you place a bet the odds are locked in at that amount and they do not change after that even if the website shows that they have updated their odds.

That is not happening in sports betting, maybe the odds will move but you are right, once you put your bet, it will not be amended anymore, unless you allow the bookie to cheat you. Maybe what he was trying to say is just about the "odds movement", and in some websites, they have a feature that you can cash out your bet even before the fight.

I understand how the cash out was use and it an alternative feature implement by Booker's so that bettors can exit if they don't feel good about the game before the game is over but I was asking if Booker's also change the previous bet before the odds increase/decrease

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Quote from: Viscore on July 25, 2021, 07:54:26 AM

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Quote from: mirakal on July 25, 2021, 05:52:12 AM

Yes, he really said that he is not after for the money,

Maybe I will give it 60% true. Why? Because Manny today will only fight boxers if the price is right. He's already graduated from fighting with a small paycheck because he now reached the Legendary status. He's a businessman. He won't risk his old body to fight without something good in return.

He won't take a small paycheck on every fight as he will be the reason for that fight to generate big revenue. He will carry the name of his opponent at the same time so why take small returns.

Manny Pacquiao is after the money and that was obvious. It's impossible that he only just wants to entertain people. If he's not after the money, he will just accept any offer from any good boxers.

He is definitely after for the money, though the guaranteed paycheck is only $5 million as reported, they can make a big revenue on the pay per view which would give both fighters a decent share as well. Though there's no figure yet as we will only know it after the fight, but I'm sure they'll make money as this fight is probably the biggest fight this year.

The current PPV subscription is $49.99, and there was a prediction that they could reach 1 million buys at max, so let's compute.

For 500 thousand PPV subs x $49.99 that's 24,995,000 USD, and 49,990,000 USD if they'll reach 1 million PPV buys.
With that amount, I think Manny will earn more than $5 million, so he will likely make $10 million to $15 million.
Correct me if my estimate is wrong.

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Quote from: mirakal on July 25, 2021, 05:52:12 AM

Yes, he really said that he is not after for the money,

Maybe I will give it 60% true. Why? Because Manny today will only fight boxers if the price is right. He's already graduated from fighting with a small paycheck because he now reached the Legendary status. He's a businessman. He won't risk his old body to fight without something good in return.

He won't take a small paycheck on every fight as he will be the reason for that fight to generate big revenue. He will carry the name of his opponent at the same time so why take small returns.

Manny Pacquiao is after the money and that was obvious. It's impossible that he only just wants to entertain people. If he's not after the money, he will just accept any offer from any good boxers.

He is definitely after for the money, though the guaranteed paycheck is only $5 million as reported, they can make a big revenue on the pay per view which would give both fighters a decent share as well. Though there's no figure yet as we will only know it after the fight, but I'm sure they'll make money as this fight is probably the biggest fight this year.

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