[Boxing]: Manny Pacquiao vs Errol Spence Jr - August 21 - page 18.

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Quote from: mirakal on July 25, 2021, 05:52:12 AM

Yes, he really said that he is not after for the money,

Maybe I will give it 60% true. Why? Because Manny today will only fight boxers if the price is right. He's already graduated from fighting with a small paycheck because he now reached the Legendary status. He's a businessman. He won't risk his old body to fight without something good in return.

He won't take a small paycheck on every fight as he will be the reason for that fight to generate big revenue. He will carry the name of his opponent at the same time so why take small returns.

Manny Pacquiao is after the money and that was obvious. It's impossible that he only just wants to entertain people. If he's not after the money, he will just accept any offer from any good boxers.

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Quote from: mirakal on July 24, 2021, 05:44:30 PM

When Pacquiao was first reported to have a fight in his division, he was asking a $20 million guaranteed purse, the fight did not happen and in this fight, he will only get $5 million, and I think it's too small for a legendary fighter, but still he sign the contract and get this big fight. We can say that he really want to entertain people, that's his first goal in his sport.

If this is true then he is not really after money but I guess he wants to prove that age is just a number for fighting younger opponent. Its always a challenge for him knowing that he is not getting younger anymore. $5million is still a huge money plus the chance to get another title and an honor for his countrymen so I hope for his success.

Yes, he really said that he is not after for the money, actually during the time when he was criticized by Mayweather for still fighting despite his age, and Mayweather says he wants money, Pacquiao fires back that Mayweather is more on looking for money because he do easy fights like exhibition fights while he fight for a real fight against the best in the division.

Its impossible that they wont really be eyeing for money since Pacquiao is already rich then he might not really care that care and fighting for another title then it would really be adding into his honor or legacy.

I dont really find any interesting with exhibition match since it wouldnt really be official and doesnt really give out that thrill because the winner is already determined,not like on official matches where you cant

really tell on whose gonna win.I wont be disappointed if Spence would win this one,both are humble fighters and really that deserving and this is much better than others.

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Quote from: lienfaye on July 25, 2021, 02:44:04 AM

Quote from: mirakal on July 24, 2021, 05:44:30 PM

When Pacquiao was first reported to have a fight in his division, he was asking a $20 million guaranteed purse, the fight did not happen and in this fight, he will only get $5 million, and I think it's too small for a legendary fighter, but still he sign the contract and get this big fight. We can say that he really want to entertain people, that's his first goal in his sport.

If this is true then he is not really after money but I guess he wants to prove that age is just a number for fighting younger opponent. Its always a challenge for him knowing that he is not getting younger anymore. $5million is still a huge money plus the chance to get another title and an honor for his countrymen so I hope for his success.

Yes, he really said that he is not after for the money, actually during the time when he was criticized by Mayweather for still fighting despite his age, and Mayweather says he wants money, Pacquiao fires back that Mayweather is more on looking for money because he do easy fights like exhibition fights while he fight for a real fight against the best in the division.

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Quote from: freedomgo on July 24, 2021, 05:14:07 PM

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 24, 2021, 04:46:19 PM

That is not happening in sports betting, maybe the odds will move but you are right, once you put your bet, it will not be amended anymore, unless you allow the bookie to cheat you. Maybe what he was trying to say is just about the "odds movement", and in some websites, they have a feature that you can cash out your bet even before the fight.

It is possible in every sports book which has a cash out setup right, whenever you place a bet months before the event and when the odds change in favor of you it is possible to withdraw them but most of the time you wont be seeing any major swings before the match, but these swings happen in the fight game before the weigh ins or if there is an update about any injury news.

I have seen some sparring sessions online of Manny Pacquiao and he looks faster but only during the fight we will know his condition.

Some sportsbooks even allow you to cash out your bet during the fight, that's a good added feature as you are like treating your gambling activity as trading. Pacquiao's training is more public than Spence, so we only have an idea bout Pacquiao's condition than of Spence, and probably that's the reason for the odds swing in this fight.

Usually Pacquiao's always do a public work-out for fans, but most of the time it is not open for everyone to see. Maybe it's another strategy for Manny's camp to let Spence see what they are doing and then come fight night it will be different. Hatton fall for it, that's why he was knock out cold by Pacquiao.

Spence will do public work out definitely, it could be included in their contract if I remember it correctly, so that boxing media and fans can see him. And it added more hype in the fight.

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Quote from: verita1 on July 24, 2021, 05:42:11 PM

I also think that Paquiao could win. He has been training rigorously and his trainer Freddie Roach is convinced that the fight with Spence "It’s All About Boxing Immortality For Manny Pacquiao”.

There is also something curious that I would like to share with all of you.
Pacquiao could gain an advantage in this fight because both he and Spence are left-handed and it seems that it might be difficult to see the most effective punches.
This is what I have seen in some comments from the fans.

https://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/freddie-roach-its-all-about-boxing-immortality-for-manny-pacquiao/

It's still speculation although I'm saying that I'm for Pacquiao on this match.

But having the same stance is still unpredictable for this match. We all have to wait until both of the fighters have proven both sides to be wrong but only one thing is I'm thinking right now. What do you think people, 12 rounds or via TKO?

If we will see the same power of Pacquiao here, I'll go for TKO, but what round? Hard to say. Betting on Pacquiao here as well. Every extra that I have, I bet on him. The odds on betja at 3.0 for Pac is quite attractive. Though other known bookies here are at 2.6-2.75 in favor of him. Seems that a lot are betting on Pacquiao here.

Yeah, definitely it's hard to predict on which round but as long as it's going to be a TKO then that's what going to matter.

Looks the odds are favorable to the Pacquiao bettors, it might increase more as the fight goes near.

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Quote from: freedomgo on July 24, 2021, 05:14:07 PM

Some sportsbooks even allow you to cash out your bet during the fight, that's a good added feature as you are like treating your gambling activity as trading. Pacquiao's training is more public than Spence, so we only have an idea bout Pacquiao's condition than of Spence, and probably that's the reason for the odds swing in this fight.

This opportunity is provided by almost all top bookmakers now. The only question is its usefulness, usually the amount you can return is much less than what you can get if you wait for the outcome with the current result. I understand the mathematical background of this and I understand that bookmakers cannot give out money for free, but in my opinion such options are very unprofitable.

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Quote from: mirakal on July 24, 2021, 05:44:30 PM

When Pacquiao was first reported to have a fight in his division, he was asking a $20 million guaranteed purse, the fight did not happen and in this fight, he will only get $5 million, and I think it's too small for a legendary fighter, but still he sign the contract and get this big fight. We can say that he really want to entertain people, that's his first goal in his sport.

If this is true then he is not really after money but I guess he wants to prove that age is just a number for fighting younger opponent. Its always a challenge for him knowing that he is not getting younger anymore. $5million is still a huge money plus the chance to get another title and an honor for his countrymen so I hope for his success.

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Quote from: boyptc on July 24, 2021, 06:44:55 PM

Quote from: verita1 on July 24, 2021, 05:42:11 PM

I also think that Paquiao could win. He has been training rigorously and his trainer Freddie Roach is convinced that the fight with Spence "It’s All About Boxing Immortality For Manny Pacquiao”.

There is also something curious that I would like to share with all of you.
Pacquiao could gain an advantage in this fight because both he and Spence are left-handed and it seems that it might be difficult to see the most effective punches.
This is what I have seen in some comments from the fans.

https://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/freddie-roach-its-all-about-boxing-immortality-for-manny-pacquiao/

It's still speculation although I'm saying that I'm for Pacquiao on this match.

But having the same stance is still unpredictable for this match. We all have to wait until both of the fighters have proven both sides to be wrong but only one thing is I'm thinking right now. What do you think people, 12 rounds or via TKO?

If we will see the same power of Pacquiao here, I'll go for TKO, but what round? Hard to say. Betting on Pacquiao here as well. Every extra that I have, I bet on him. The odds on betja at 3.0 for Pac is quite attractive. Though other known bookies here are at 2.6-2.75 in favor of him. Seems that a lot are betting on Pacquiao here.

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Quote from: verita1 on July 24, 2021, 05:42:11 PM

I also think that Paquiao could win. He has been training rigorously and his trainer Freddie Roach is convinced that the fight with Spence "It’s All About Boxing Immortality For Manny Pacquiao”.

There is also something curious that I would like to share with all of you.
Pacquiao could gain an advantage in this fight because both he and Spence are left-handed and it seems that it might be difficult to see the most effective punches.
This is what I have seen in some comments from the fans.

https://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/freddie-roach-its-all-about-boxing-immortality-for-manny-pacquiao/

It's still speculation although I'm saying that I'm for Pacquiao on this match.

But having the same stance is still unpredictable for this match. We all have to wait until both of the fighters have proven both sides to be wrong but only one thing is I'm thinking right now. What do you think people, 12 rounds or via TKO?

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Quote from: verita1 on July 24, 2021, 05:42:11 PM

I also think that Paquiao could win. He has been training rigorously and his trainer Freddie Roach is convinced that the fight with Spence "It’s All About Boxing Immortality For Manny Pacquiao”.

There is also something curious that I would like to share with all of you.
Pacquiao could gain an advantage in this fight because both he and Spence are left-handed and it seems that it might be difficult to see the most effective punches.
This is what I have seen in some comments from the fans.

https://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/freddie-roach-its-all-about-boxing-immortality-for-manny-pacquiao/

I like their goal here - "It’s All About Boxing Immortality For Manny Pacquiao”.
Hope Pacquiao can prove one more time that age is just a number.
As I've seen the posted videos of his training days, it seems he is indeed very serious in this upcoming fight.
However, I haven't seen any on Spence's training, or they are just discreet with their preparation?

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Quote from: mirakal on July 24, 2021, 07:53:38 AM

That's unfair to the winner if a certain fighter makes excuses about his injury after the fight. For me, it's disrespectful as it's not giving credit to the winner, if the boxer has an injury, he should be transparent with it as bettors believe he is fighting with a healthy body and with good training, so they are confident that the boxer will win.

Whatever we think, it doesn't matter to them as they are just fighting for money and they have pride, when they make excuses and fans believe on it, they will still get the respect and might still be given a chance to have a rematch on the fighter that beat them.

Boxers in today's generation are more concern on the money than the honor, so think that what we are seeing is just a game, they played it well so their career will be better and they will have a good chance of making money.

We only have a few fighters now that are really a warrior, one of them which I think the best is Manny Pacquiao, despite of his age, he is not afraid to challenge the best and a younger fighter in his division, that's why fans continues to admire him even if he is not an American.

When Pacquiao was first reported to have a fight in his division, he was asking a $20 million guaranteed purse, the fight did not happen and in this fight, he will only get $5 million, and I think it's too small for a legendary fighter, but still he sign the contract and get this big fight. We can say that he really want to entertain people, that's his first goal in his sport.

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I also think that Paquiao could win. He has been training rigorously and his trainer Freddie Roach is convinced that the fight with Spence "It’s All About Boxing Immortality For Manny Pacquiao”.

There is also something curious that I would like to share with all of you.
Pacquiao could gain an advantage in this fight because both he and Spence are left-handed and it seems that it might be difficult to see the most effective punches.
This is what I have seen in some comments from the fans.

https://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/freddie-roach-its-all-about-boxing-immortality-for-manny-pacquiao/

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Seeing manny pacquiao train is already enough inspiration and then him entering the ring to face Errol spence is a more better inspiration, I think manny is in good condition but not in his prime anymore, I understand how much he loves the boxing sport but it's a very physical enduring and demanding sport, he should start knowing when to call it a quit, I think he has a chance to win Errol spence but it's a tight one, he has the experience, spence has the age over him, but am expecting an exciting match.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on July 24, 2021, 05:00:41 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on July 24, 2021, 04:46:19 PM

That is not happening in sports betting, maybe the odds will move but you are right, once you put your bet, it will not be amended anymore, unless you allow the bookie to cheat you. Maybe what he was trying to say is just about the "odds movement", and in some websites, they have a feature that you can cash out your bet even before the fight.

It is possible in every sports book which has a cash out setup right, whenever you place a bet months before the event and when the odds change in favor of you it is possible to withdraw them but most of the time you wont be seeing any major swings before the match, but these swings happen in the fight game before the weigh ins or if there is an update about any injury news.

I have seen some sparring sessions online of Manny Pacquiao and he looks faster but only during the fight we will know his condition.

Some sportsbooks even allow you to cash out your bet during the fight, that's a good added feature as you are like treating your gambling activity as trading. Pacquiao's training is more public than Spence, so we only have an idea bout Pacquiao's condition than of Spence, and probably that's the reason for the odds swing in this fight.

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 24, 2021, 04:46:19 PM

That is not happening in sports betting, maybe the odds will move but you are right, once you put your bet, it will not be amended anymore, unless you allow the bookie to cheat you. Maybe what he was trying to say is just about the "odds movement", and in some websites, they have a feature that you can cash out your bet even before the fight.

It is possible in every sports book which has a cash out setup right, whenever you place a bet months before the event and when the odds change in favor of you it is possible to withdraw them but most of the time you wont be seeing any major swings before the match, but these swings happen in the fight game before the weigh ins or if there is an update about any injury news.

I have seen some sparring sessions online of Manny Pacquiao and he looks faster but only during the fight we will know his condition.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on July 24, 2021, 11:23:55 AM

I am not used to booker operate when odds is amended, will they also change the odds of early bettor when the odd is amend?

I do not understand what you mean by odds amend? If you place a bet the odds are locked in at that amount and they do not change after that even if the website shows that they have updated their odds.

That is not happening in sports betting, maybe the odds will move but you are right, once you put your bet, it will not be amended anymore, unless you allow the bookie to cheat you. Maybe what he was trying to say is just about the "odds movement", and in some websites, they have a feature that you can cash out your bet even before the fight.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on July 24, 2021, 11:23:55 AM

I am not used to booker operate when odds is amended, will they also change the odds of early bettor when the odd is amend?

I do not understand what you mean by odds amend? If you place a bet the odds are locked in at that amount and they do not change after that even if the website shows that they have updated their odds.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on July 24, 2021, 02:47:49 AM

Quote from: Kasabus on July 23, 2021, 12:50:18 PM

Well, they have no choice to move the odds if people are putting a lot of money on Pacquiao to win, they will have to balance the odds as their concern is just to make commissions on the winning bets, they are not really like casinos or the house that accepts the bet against themselves.

It already happened in other sports AFAIR, like in the NBA, in the opening line, one team is the favorites but where there's bad news that could potentially affect the performance of the favorites, the odds flip and the underdog become the favorites, so bookies have no problem with that.

My prediction is Pacquiao will still remain as the underdog though the odds will decrease a bit.

Probably, Manny Pacquiao will still be an underdog in this match but the odds may not be as huge as it opens.

If you really are a Pacman fan, the best time to place the bet was when the odds were still @3.xxx.

Personally, I'm not going to bet early even though the stake is high because my money would be a trap for a long period of time which I don't like

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Videos of Manny training really hype this fight in his favor, don't be deceived by that aspect because that's normal for Manny when he trains. I would be like a broken record here, endurance and stamina would be the critical factor coming into this fight.

I have once predicted the odds amendment a week before the fight as Kasabus believe it going to happen because the booker won't also want to make huge losses since the odds determine that amount that will pay to bettors but I still consider Pacman to be the underdog cause odds are implemented footing the fighter activities in the game and winning chance.

I am not used to booker operate when odds is amended, will they also change the odds of early bettor when the odd is amend?

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 24, 2021, 07:47:07 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 23, 2021, 05:27:17 PM

And how big are the shifts in the odds from the bookmakers that you've personally witnessed? I have been doing research on this topic for a very long time (for myself), it seems it was the 14th World Cup. I wrote down the odds from the bookmakers that they gave before the start of the group stage for all three matches, after 2 out of 3 matches were played, I was looking for teams that performed much worse or much better than expected. Theoretically, the odds on the 3rd match should have been seriously changed, but nothing of the kind happened. Has something really changed since those times?

This odds shift normally happens when the opening odds of both teams are close to each other. For example in sports, when a superstar is announce doubtful at the start, the odds are still in their favor, but an hour before the game when it's announced that the certain player is not available, so the odds will certainly jump from favorites to underdog. This happens in any sport but it does not happen on a daily basis.

Above, I already wrote that I tested this theory and I saw that it does not work - bookmakers practically do not change odds no matter what happens. Have you personally observed what you write or do you just think that this could be so? I know that some sites keep a history of odds changes, maybe you can show an example of such a drastic change?

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Quote from: Maslate on July 24, 2021, 08:47:27 AM

Quote from: mirakal on July 24, 2021, 07:53:38 AM

That's unfair to the winner if a certain fighter makes excuses about his injury after the fight. For me, it's disrespectful as it's not giving credit to the winner, if the boxer has an injury, he should be transparent with it as bettors believe he is fighting with a healthy body and with good training, so they are confident that the boxer will win.

Whatever we think, it doesn't matter to them as they are just fighting for money and they have pride, when they make excuses and fans believe on it, they will still get the respect and might still be given a chance to have a rematch on the fighter that beat them.

Boxers in today's generation are more concern on the money than the honor, so think that what we are seeing is just a game, they played it well so their career will be better and they will have a good chance of making money.

We only have a few fighters now that are really a warrior, one of them which I think the best is Manny Pacquiao, despite of his age, he is not afraid to challenge the best and a younger fighter in his division, that's why fans continues to admire him even if he is not an American.

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