[Boxing]: Manny Pacquiao vs Errol Spence Jr - August 21 - page 21.

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Quote from: Natalim on July 19, 2021, 04:07:47 PM

Spence will be so popular if he will successfully beat Pacquiao and put him to retirement, beating a legend is a big achievement, that's why Thurman was still happy despite losing the fight and ruining his undefeated record because he got a chance to fight with the champion. Pacquiao gets older but he still has the power and speed, maybe it was decrease a bit but he sure can win against a strong and taller Spence as he has done that in the past already.

Spence already has a good streak of victories and I don't think that by itself, beating an aging legend can drastically improve anything. In the end, each legend lost because of age, but we only remember their winners if they themselves became legends or defeated existing legends when they were still in their prime, and not old.

Still good though to have Pacquiao in your resume, yes he could be old, but Manny just came from a Thurman win, have the WBA super welterweight belt, so there are still a lot of weight of a Spence victory here. It's not that he is fighting Pacquiao on the downside of his career, Manny can still pull the trigger and riding on a 3 winning streak if I'm not mistaken, after this controversial lost to Jeff Horn.

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Quote from: Natalim on July 19, 2021, 04:07:47 PM

Spence will be so popular if he will successfully beat Pacquiao and put him to retirement, beating a legend is a big achievement, that's why Thurman was still happy despite losing the fight and ruining his undefeated record because he got a chance to fight with the champion. Pacquiao gets older but he still has the power and speed, maybe it was decrease a bit but he sure can win against a strong and taller Spence as he has done that in the past already.

Spence already has a good streak of victories and I don't think that by itself, beating an aging legend can drastically improve anything. In the end, each legend lost because of age, but we only remember their winners if they themselves became legends or defeated existing legends when they were still in their prime, and not old.

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Quote from: goinmerry on July 19, 2021, 06:57:12 PM

If that was a KO win, Spence will be recognized. If that was an Anonymous decision, and Spence really wins without question on some rounds, then he will be recognized. But if he win questionably, I doubt it will increase his fame.

Definitely a KO win would bring popularity to Spence. This might be the last fight of Manny depending on his decision for the next year. We're aware of what's about to happen but still not officially announced.

Quote from: TravelMug on July 19, 2021, 08:10:57 PM

And we are not sure if Manny will retire, win or lose against Spence. He seems to be not ready for it, he still have that itch that he needs to scratch from time to time.

Few years back I remembered he also said that he will retire but it seems like he is not serious back then. He's not getting younger anymore and would be better for him to focus in a career that he wants.

So I guess it all hangs on this fight, whether Pacquiao will retire for good and focus on his political career or continue on his boxing even though he is ageing.

So at this point we have to wait for the outcome, I don't remember though him saying that he is going to retire. After his lost to Jeff Horn, he comeback strong. One thing I heard though is that his mother and wife wanted him to retire.

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Quote from: goinmerry on July 19, 2021, 06:57:12 PM

If that was a KO win, Spence will be recognized. If that was an Anonymous decision, and Spence really wins without question on some rounds, then he will be recognized. But if he win questionably, I doubt it will increase his fame.

Definitely a KO win would bring popularity to Spence. This might be the last fight of Manny depending on his decision for the next year. We're aware of what's about to happen but still not officially announced.

Quote from: TravelMug on July 19, 2021, 08:10:57 PM

And we are not sure if Manny will retire, win or lose against Spence. He seems to be not ready for it, he still have that itch that he needs to scratch from time to time.

Few years back I remembered he also said that he will retire but it seems like he is not serious back then. He's not getting younger anymore and would be better for him to focus in a career that he wants.

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Quote from: goinmerry on July 19, 2021, 06:57:12 PM

Quote from: Natalim on July 19, 2021, 04:07:47 PM

Spence will be so popular if he will successfully beat Pacquiao and put him to retirement, beating a legend is a big achievement,

It will depend on how Spence will beat Manny Pacquiao. Not all winners against Manny become popular or in-demand.

If that was a KO win, Spence will be recognized. If that was an Anonymous decision, and Spence really wins without question on some rounds, then he will be recognized. But if he win questionably, I doubt it will increase his fame.

Remember Pacquiao vs Jeff Horn? The latter won the fight but he was not even recognized as one of the best.

It's because it is very clear that it was a robbery. Jeff Horn did have a hype after that he travel to US but he lost so that's it for him. Marquez retire after he ko Pacquiao and Bradley I another controversy was avenge by Manny in the rematch and Bradley also retire.

And we are not sure if Manny will retire, win or lose against Spence. He seems to be not ready for it, he still have that itch that he needs to scratch from time to time.

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Despite the controversies in the politics that I don't really like about him, there will be many supporters for Manny Pacquiao when it comes to boxing, and right now Pacquaio is busy and focus on his fight with Errol Spence that he is now training in the U.S. where the fight will be held, I have seen his training he still got his speed and punching power but he can not underestimate his opponent Errol Spence Jr. because Spence is just 31 years old to the 42 years old Manny Pacquiao, but I will be biased here because when it comes to Filipino boxer just like the Nonito Donaire fight I will surely support Manny Pacquaio all the way when it comes to boxing.

What controversies are you alluding too? People support him because he is one of the best boxers to have fought. Yes he has started losing more towards the end of his boxing career or winning but not as convincingly as he did when he was younger but they guy is one of the most exciting and technical boxers ever. Errol Spence Jr does not have much for Manny when you compare their boxing abilities I think a convincing Manny Pac win is on the cards.

He is talking about the politics in the Philippines in which Manny has somewhat attack the current and sitting President before he went to the US and train and it might cause some distractions on Manny side in preparation for the Errol Spence fight.

But as far as boxing is concern, he is well loved and supported even if he is the underdog in this fight. This is a big challenge for him and hope that he can focus on it despite on what's going on his country regarding his political ambitions.

Yup! thanks Dave1 because of that I am giving you something, that is what I don't like about Manny Pacquaio and actually, I don't really like him in politics, and the way he is attacking the president is like there are some people dictating him to do it and because he is running for the president for 2022 he is likely doing something low like this,

But despite that when it comes to boxing no doubt about it, he is one of the great boxers in the whole world, that is why I am supporting him in boxing and in boxing alone, and I will bet that he can win against Errol Spence Jr. no doubt about it.

Thanks man, appreciate it.

Last time I read about him and in the politics in the Philippines, he was kick out as the President of the ruling party. So it means that he will have to change and become an opposition now and I doubt that it will increased his chances of being a President.

I agree with you, he shouldn't be in the politics, he is already a powerful man in the Philippines, he has a lot of money, political connections. He should stay and focus on boxing. And now that he is facing the biggest fight of his career, we can only hope that he will win here.

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Quote from: Natalim on July 19, 2021, 04:07:47 PM

Spence will be so popular if he will successfully beat Pacquiao and put him to retirement, beating a legend is a big achievement,

It will depend on how Spence will beat Manny Pacquiao. Not all winners against Manny become popular or in-demand.

If that was a KO win, Spence will be recognized. If that was an Anonymous decision, and Spence really wins without question on some rounds, then he will be recognized. But if he win questionably, I doubt it will increase his fame.

Remember Pacquiao vs Jeff Horn? The latter won the fight but he was not even recognized as one of the best.

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Quote from: Saidasun on July 19, 2021, 01:13:52 PM

5.2 for the legendary Manny Pacquiao? Wow.

Don't be surprised, that odds does not exist, even if you check on all sportsbook.

Quote from: Saidasun on July 19, 2021, 01:13:52 PM

I know what I am using my monthly budget on in August that is insane odds for a talented fighter like Manny PAC. I get that he is the underdog but no way in hell would I say he is a 5.2 underdog.

Maybe just a typo error, if even the odds will move in favor of Manny Pacquiao, it might drop to 2.5 which for me still very attractive odds.

more then likely it is just a typo error. high likely that he meant 2.5 here. from all the bookies that have this fight already, the highest odds that i've seen for pacquiao is 3.0 at betja. 2.75 at FJ while 2.65 at sportsbet, 2.6 @ bitsler.
nothing yet from stake.
so for those who are rooting for pac, better bet now while the odds are attractive. the odds may really drop a lil bit as the fight is about to happen.

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Quote from: freedomgo on July 19, 2021, 06:23:37 AM

It's always a right thing to take the best odds if you believe that the fighter you put your bet on will win, no one can see the outcome of the fight in advance, but at least we should be confident with our bet and we should be a real fan so we will have full entertainment while watching the fight.

The expectation we have about the match and our anticipation will force anyone to place a bet especially if you are following the sport and it is difficult to predict who might win on a given day especially in combat sports and if there are huge odds for a fighter and people see value in them they will take that and if more people takes those position then the odds will come down, basically Manny Pacquiao has miles and age and Errol Spence is a young prospect and hence people expect him to use Manny as a launching pad to stardom .

The thing is Manny will not let himself be used. The name and reputation manny works hard for for so many years will not make Errol win unless there are special chances or event that can lead them to an open situation to kick and make Manny ko. Whatever the result will be it will sure be a good match since they both want to prove something.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on July 19, 2021, 04:01:38 PM

Quote from: freedomgo on July 19, 2021, 06:23:37 AM

It's always a right thing to take the best odds if you believe that the fighter you put your bet on will win, no one can see the outcome of the fight in advance, but at least we should be confident with our bet and we should be a real fan so we will have full entertainment while watching the fight.

The expectation we have about the match and our anticipation will force anyone to place a bet especially if you are following the sport and it is difficult to predict who might win on a given day especially in combat sports and if there are huge odds for a fighter and people see value in them they will take that and if more people takes those position then the odds will come down, basically Manny Pacquiao has miles and age and Errol Spence is a young prospect and hence people expect him to use Manny as a launching pad to stardom .

Spence will be so popular if he will successfully beat Pacquiao and put him to retirement, beating a legend is a big achievement, that's why Thurman was still happy despite losing the fight and ruining his undefeated record because he got a chance to fight with the champion. Pacquiao gets older but he still has the power and speed, maybe it was decrease a bit but he sure can win against a strong and taller Spence as he has done that in the past already.

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Quote from: freedomgo on July 19, 2021, 06:23:37 AM

It's always a right thing to take the best odds if you believe that the fighter you put your bet on will win, no one can see the outcome of the fight in advance, but at least we should be confident with our bet and we should be a real fan so we will have full entertainment while watching the fight.

The expectation we have about the match and our anticipation will force anyone to place a bet especially if you are following the sport and it is difficult to predict who might win on a given day especially in combat sports and if there are huge odds for a fighter and people see value in them they will take that and if more people takes those position then the odds will come down, basically Manny Pacquiao has miles and age and Errol Spence is a young prospect and hence people expect him to use Manny as a launching pad to stardom .

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Quote from: Saidasun on July 19, 2021, 01:13:52 PM

5.2 for the legendary Manny Pacquiao? Wow. I know what I am using my monthly budget on in August that is insane odds for a talented fighter like Manny PAC. I get that he is the underdog but no way in hell would I say he is a 5.2 underdog.

Well, i wasnt expecting that on that odds and never expect that he was the underdog but even so then the odds given is really a good one or worth to put some bucks too.

Its amazing that you are putting your monthly budget on this one but of course, we should always be mindful about the risk.

Spence is heavily favorite but this underdog will surely make some good show.

As always, as a fan, I will support Pacquiao through my bet, and I will never go against him since I have not seen him lose yet that displays he is already over. His loss to Marquez was devastating as he got knocked out cold, but he was trying to finish the fight and got careless, after that, he did not stop and come back to reclaim himself and prove to the world that he is still the best fighter in the world. Pacquiao is only a mission here, he wants to be the GOAT so I will support his journey.

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Quote from: Saidasun on July 19, 2021, 01:13:52 PM

5.2 for the legendary Manny Pacquiao? Wow. I know what I am using my monthly budget on in August that is insane odds for a talented fighter like Manny PAC. I get that he is the underdog but no way in hell would I say he is a 5.2 underdog.

Well, i wasnt expecting that on that odds and never expect that he was the underdog but even so then the odds given is really a good one or worth to put some bucks too.

Its amazing that you are putting your monthly budget on this one but of course, we should always be mindful about the risk.

Spence is heavily favorite but this underdog will surely make some good show. Cool

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Quote from: Saidasun on July 19, 2021, 01:13:52 PM

5.2 for the legendary Manny Pacquiao? Wow.

Don't be surprised, that odds does not exist, even if you check on all sportsbook.

Quote from: Saidasun on July 19, 2021, 01:13:52 PM

I know what I am using my monthly budget on in August that is insane odds for a talented fighter like Manny PAC. I get that he is the underdog but no way in hell would I say he is a 5.2 underdog.

Maybe just a typo error, if even the odds will move in favor of Manny Pacquiao, it might drop to 2.5 which for me still very attractive odds.

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5.2 for the legendary Manny Pacquiao? Wow. I know what I am using my monthly budget on in August that is insane odds for a talented fighter like Manny PAC. I get that he is the underdog but no way in hell would I say he is a 5.2 underdog.

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He can still perform well, there is no doubt with that, and as you see with those training videos that have been spread online. He's still at his shape and if there are any changes those are just minimal for his boxing career. But there's no question that he's still going to perform well whether he lose or win for this upcoming match against Spence, we're sure that he's going to give all of his best. He don't want to make the same mistakes as he did before and he's an experience guy. He won't throw himself into a match if he knows that he's not going to perform very well.

Have you seen the odds that bookmakers put up for this match? Bets on Pacquiao's victory are accepted with odds of 5.2, which means that few people believe in such an outcome. By the way, we must take into account that many fans bet on him simply because they love and believe in him, bookmakers take this into account, which means Pacquiao's real chances are even less.

I haven't, what bookmaker is that? What you said is true, that's what his fans are going to do. Bet for him regardless of the odds are, that's the usual thing that we'll do. But let's all wait until the fight night comes and for sure the odds will change as the day approaches for the fight.
There are many things that still can happen during that period and that's why some will change their minds if they see the odds. But for fans like me, so far I'll stick with my decision.

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I expect the odds to change when it is the week of the fight.

I think this will be different from the Thurman fight where Pacquiao ends up as a slight favorite, here, there was a little odds movement happening already but it's Errol Spence's value that has increase. So from 2.70, now at 2.80, then it's possible that a week before the fight, the odds will be 3.00.

Well Odds is good but still the fight will decide.

It's always a right thing to take the best odds if you believe that the fighter you put your bet on will win, no one can see the outcome of the fight in advance, but at least we should be confident with our bet and we should be a real fan so we will have full entertainment while watching the fight.

@freedomgo, I notice the odds change and it was in favor of Spence but it still doesn't change my thought about the fight. However, it may change in favor of Pacman when the fight hype increase and as you said these current odds is attractive to we that believe Pacman to be the winner of the fight.
As Russlenat said, this fight is only different from Thurman's fight with Pacman in terms of odds and I even believe Thurman to have a high chance to beat Pacman then.

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Quote from: freedomgo on July 18, 2021, 02:24:05 PM

I think this will be different from the Thurman fight where Pacquiao ends up as a slight favorite, here, there was a little odds movement happening already but it's Errol Spence's value that has increase. So from 2.70, now at 2.80, then it's possible that a week before the fight, the odds will be 3.00.

The increase in odds meant that Spence would be the unlikely winner in this match right so I don't think that it's just a slight favorite on this one because I think that Pacquiao will probably demolish Spence on this one.

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Quote from: Viscore on July 19, 2021, 07:54:46 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 19, 2021, 06:58:02 AM

Have you seen the odds that bookmakers put up for this match? Bets on Pacquiao's victory are accepted with odds of 5.2, which means that few people believe in such an outcome. By the way, we must take into account that many fans bet on him simply because they love and believe in him, bookmakers take this into account, which means Pacquiao's real chances are even less.

There's no 5.2 odds, the odds now are around 2.70 to 2.80 for Manny Pacquiao, what bookies are you looking on that 5.2 odds? I would gladly put a good bet on Pacquiao to win this match. Maybe he is an underdog, but if you based on their record, we can easily tell who has the biggest achievement in boxing so far.

Undefeated versus an 8th time division world champion, I would go with the latter.

I looked at the odds here (this is a selection of bookmakers from my country): https://legalbet.ru/best-posts/pakyao-spens-stavki-i-koeffitcienti-na-boj/
5.2 it was the best deal on the market, I don't know if it's available now. In any case, Pacquiao is rated as a clear underdog in this match.
If it's not difficult for you, give me a couple of links where you look at the odds.

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He can still perform well, there is no doubt with that, and as you see with those training videos that have been spread online. He's still at his shape and if there are any changes those are just minimal for his boxing career. But there's no question that he's still going to perform well whether he lose or win for this upcoming match against Spence, we're sure that he's going to give all of his best. He don't want to make the same mistakes as he did before and he's an experience guy. He won't throw himself into a match if he knows that he's not going to perform very well.

Have you seen the odds that bookmakers put up for this match? Bets on Pacquiao's victory are accepted with odds of 5.2, which means that few people believe in such an outcome. By the way, we must take into account that many fans bet on him simply because they love and believe in him, bookmakers take this into account, which means Pacquiao's real chances are even less.

There's no 5.2 odds, the odds now are around 2.70 to 2.80 for Manny Pacquiao, what bookies are you looking on that 5.2 odds? I would gladly put a good bet on Pacquiao to win this match. Maybe he is an underdog, but if you based on their record, we can easily tell who has the biggest achievement in boxing so far.

Undefeated versus an 8th time division world champion, I would go with the latter.

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