[Boxing]: Manny Pacquiao vs Errol Spence Jr - August 21 - page 22.

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Quote from: blockman on July 19, 2021, 05:29:22 AM

He can still perform well, there is no doubt with that, and as you see with those training videos that have been spread online. He's still at his shape and if there are any changes those are just minimal for his boxing career. But there's no question that he's still going to perform well whether he lose or win for this upcoming match against Spence, we're sure that he's going to give all of his best. He don't want to make the same mistakes as he did before and he's an experience guy. He won't throw himself into a match if he knows that he's not going to perform very well.

Have you seen the odds that bookmakers put up for this match? Bets on Pacquiao's victory are accepted with odds of 5.2, which means that few people believe in such an outcome. By the way, we must take into account that many fans bet on him simply because they love and believe in him, bookmakers take this into account, which means Pacquiao's real chances are even less.

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I expect the odds to change when it is the week of the fight.

I think this will be different from the Thurman fight where Pacquiao ends up as a slight favorite, here, there was a little odds movement happening already but it's Errol Spence's value that has increase. So from 2.70, now at 2.80, then it's possible that a week before the fight, the odds will be 3.00.

Well Odds is good but still the fight will decide.

It's always a right thing to take the best odds if you believe that the fighter you put your bet on will win, no one can see the outcome of the fight in advance, but at least we should be confident with our bet and we should be a real fan so we will have full entertainment while watching the fight.

There are people who's just riding the hype and base their bets only on popularity or some certain circumstances towards the fighter current stats but as we don't know the result the only thing we can rely is the familiarity of the fighter where we place our bet since from this we can get a higher chances to win. But if we are not sure about the upcoming fight the best option for us to do is to watch the past fights of both fighters since this could bring us an idea and for sure we will be more entertain watching the fight since we know a little bit of them on how they move inside the ring.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on July 18, 2021, 01:17:58 PM

I expect the odds to change when it is the week of the fight.

I think this will be different from the Thurman fight where Pacquiao ends up as a slight favorite, here, there was a little odds movement happening already but it's Errol Spence's value that has increase. So from 2.70, now at 2.80, then it's possible that a week before the fight, the odds will be 3.00.

Well Odds is good but still the fight will decide.

It's always a right thing to take the best odds if you believe that the fighter you put your bet on will win, no one can see the outcome of the fight in advance, but at least we should be confident with our bet and we should be a real fan so we will have full entertainment while watching the fight.

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Quote from: molsewid on July 18, 2021, 06:26:39 PM

This man name Manny Pacquiao know how to make other income by using his talent and capability to sustain their family needs and luxuries I think and to funds one of his biggest ambition which is to run in the highest position in a country the presidency. But it seems that the odds favor to him today is quite small than the odds of betting of his past fight maybe its because he is much older to consider but who knows that this man could still perform well. I bet that the fan of Manny Pacquiao is excited for this.

He can still perform well, there is no doubt with that, and as you see with those training videos that have been spread online. He's still at his shape and if there are any changes those are just minimal for his boxing career. But there's no question that he's still going to perform well whether he lose or win for this upcoming match against Spence, we're sure that he's going to give all of his best. He don't want to make the same mistakes as he did before and he's an experience guy. He won't throw himself into a match if he knows that he's not going to perform very well.

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No doubt that a win against Spence here will just make him look for more lucrative fights in the horizon. Maybe Terrence Crawford is next. And then he will be judge after his retirement and what legacy he has left in the boxing world.

Win or lose there's a possibility that this Spence fight could be his last fight, he has a huge fight coming, and that is the coming election, where obviously his target is the presidency but this has caused a rift among his party mates because some of his co party wants the daughter of the current president to run, he was dethroned as the party president, and this might have an impact on his preparation, Philippine politics is very confusing, there are no permanent friends only interest, but if he could win against Spence the situation might change as the Filipinos will rally for him.

With Manny facing too much in His Political career now? this maybe the last ever fight of Him being a politician , either he will quit in boxing after this or he will quit in politics Grin

He must make a big decision for His own goodness in what he is planning for him life.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on July 18, 2021, 01:17:58 PM

I expect the odds to change when it is the week of the fight.

I think this will be different from the Thurman fight where Pacquiao ends up as a slight favorite, here, there was a little odds movement happening already but it's Errol Spence's value that has increase. So from 2.70, now at 2.80, then it's possible that a week before the fight, the odds will be 3.00.

Well Odds is good but still the fight will decide.

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Quote from: Jating on July 19, 2021, 04:10:23 AM

No doubt that a win against Spence here will just make him look for more lucrative fights in the horizon. Maybe Terrence Crawford is next. And then he will be judge after his retirement and what legacy he has left in the boxing world.

Win or lose there's a possibility that this Spence fight could be his last fight, he has a huge fight coming, and that is the coming election, where obviously his target is the presidency but this has caused a rift among his party mates because some of his co party wants the daughter of the current president to run, he was dethroned as the party president, and this might have an impact on his preparation, Philippine politics is very confusing, there are no permanent friends only interest, but if he could win against Spence the situation might change as the Filipinos will rally for him.

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I think any athlete, even a beginner, understands that at a certain moment it is necessary to change the source of income simply for the reason that time, strength and health are running out. Since he already has a name in world sports, he may not worry about a complete loss of income.
As for political ambitions, this is a conversation about amounts of a different order, here you have to think not about making money but about sponsors who will support you and your political ideas.

This man name Manny Pacquiao know how to make other income by using his talent and capability to sustain their family needs and luxuries I think and to funds one of his biggest ambition which is to run in the highest position in a country the presidency. But it seems that the odds favor to him today is quite small than the odds of betting of his past fight maybe its because he is much older to consider but who knows that this man could still perform well. I bet that the fan of Manny Pacquiao is excited for this.

In fact, I am also glad that I will be able to see another fight of this great boxer, but I strongly doubt the justification of such earnings. In the end, a few major defeats at the end of a career can ruin the overall impression of a boxer, even one as great as Pacquiao. If he wins this fight, it will be a big surprise for everyone.

Well that could be true, but history will be the judge if Pacquiao could be in the Mt. Rushmore of boxing or not. For now we have seen his legendary ascend to the top, specially when he was at his prime destroying bigger man than him. But now since he is already on the twilight of his career and others may argue that he should be retiring by now, he is still fighting for his legacy. No doubt that a win against Spence here will just make him look for more lucrative fights in the horizon. Maybe Terrence Crawford is next. And then he will be judge after his retirement and what legacy he has left in the boxing world.

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Quote from: molsewid on July 18, 2021, 06:26:39 PM

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I think any athlete, even a beginner, understands that at a certain moment it is necessary to change the source of income simply for the reason that time, strength and health are running out. Since he already has a name in world sports, he may not worry about a complete loss of income.
As for political ambitions, this is a conversation about amounts of a different order, here you have to think not about making money but about sponsors who will support you and your political ideas.

This man name Manny Pacquiao know how to make other income by using his talent and capability to sustain their family needs and luxuries I think and to funds one of his biggest ambition which is to run in the highest position in a country the presidency. But it seems that the odds favor to him today is quite small than the odds of betting of his past fight maybe its because he is much older to consider but who knows that this man could still perform well. I bet that the fan of Manny Pacquiao is excited for this.

In fact, I am also glad that I will be able to see another fight of this great boxer, but I strongly doubt the justification of such earnings. In the end, a few major defeats at the end of a career can ruin the overall impression of a boxer, even one as great as Pacquiao. If he wins this fight, it will be a big surprise for everyone.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 18, 2021, 07:45:34 AM

I think any athlete, even a beginner, understands that at a certain moment it is necessary to change the source of income simply for the reason that time, strength and health are running out. Since he already has a name in world sports, he may not worry about a complete loss of income.
As for political ambitions, this is a conversation about amounts of a different order, here you have to think not about making money but about sponsors who will support you and your political ideas.

This man name Manny Pacquiao know how to make other income by using his talent and capability to sustain their family needs and luxuries I think and to funds one of his biggest ambition which is to run in the highest position in a country the presidency. But it seems that the odds favor to him today is quite small than the odds of betting of his past fight maybe its because he is much older to consider but who knows that this man could still perform well. I bet that the fan of Manny Pacquiao is excited for this.

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I expect the odds to change when it is the week of the fight.

I think this will be different from the Thurman fight where Pacquiao ends up as a slight favorite, here, there was a little odds movement happening already but it's Errol Spence's value that has increase. So from 2.70, now at 2.80, then it's possible that a week before the fight, the odds will be 3.00.

Maybe different in terms of odds movement but I guess it will be the same in terms of fight outcome. I think I'm getting bias here but I already see the odds as very attractive now, how much more if it will hit 3.00 a week before the fight. Pacquiao has been training hard and their camp said that he will be more condition now compared to his fight with Thurman.

And even Freddy Roach said that Thurman hits hard that Spence, Lol, and that it will be the same outcome as the Thurman fight. And they are working hard on Pacquiao stamina, as we have seen that he started in a blistering speed in the fight couple of rounds and then gave some rounds to Thurman.

But against Spence, Pacquiao shouldn't take a rest and will have to continue with his volume punching. Again, for the odds, might be better to see Manny as the underdog, good returns to us and this will motivate him.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on July 18, 2021, 01:17:58 PM

I expect the odds to change when it is the week of the fight.

I think this will be different from the Thurman fight where Pacquiao ends up as a slight favorite, here, there was a little odds movement happening already but it's Errol Spence's value that has increase. So from 2.70, now at 2.80, then it's possible that a week before the fight, the odds will be 3.00.

Maybe different in terms of odds movement but I guess it will be the same in terms of fight outcome. I think I'm getting bias here but I already see the odds as very attractive now, how much more if it will hit 3.00 a week before the fight. Pacquiao has been training hard and their camp said that he will be more condition now compared to his fight with Thurman.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on July 18, 2021, 01:17:58 PM

I expect the odds to change when it is the week of the fight.

I think this will be different from the Thurman fight where Pacquiao ends up as a slight favorite, here, there was a little odds movement happening already but it's Errol Spence's value that has increase. So from 2.70, now at 2.80, then it's possible that a week before the fight, the odds will be 3.00.

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In any case, Manny being the underdog is good for us.

I think Manny will remain an underdog even on the actual fight, lots of Americans will bet on Spence as he is the younger and the bigger guy, and champion as well. We believe in our countryman and since he is a "pambansang kamao", we should support him no matter what.

I am so excited for this fight man. As someone who really grew up watching at least most of his fights, it is such a privilege to witness the People's Champ back in the ring with his age not hindering him from fighting the very best from his weigh division.

Do you guys have an idea about the pay-per-view setup on his match? I've been trying to look for the pricing but there seems to be no updates on how to watch the fight. I am pretty sure that I'm going to bet hard on this fight for Manny!

Maybe we will see some PPV offers as the fight is nearing, and yes man, that's the right thing to do, bet hard on Manny Pacquiao as he definitely has a good chance of winning the fight, Spence is big and strong, but who are we to doubt our very own who is the only 8th division champion.

Pacman was the underdog of this fight or not, age limit or not. I am still going for him as the winning of this fight and I know the lover of boxing that really understand his capacity will do the same. Besides, Logan Paul statement when he visited Pacman at his training session should make people understand that Pacman is not playing.

I hear that the fight PPV offer can be find on fite.tv

Most of us here are betting on Pacquiao to win, that's for sure as most fans are Filipino fans. I only notice a few here that think Spence will win although in sportsbook he is the favorite, so this thread is a bit bias, lol.. Anyway, as long as we will see a great fight, that would be so nice, whoever wins as long as it's an entertaining fight and both will make a good payday.

Spence is somehows people favorite since we can't deny that pacquaio is bit old and not totally in his 100% due to his political issues and I'm expecting that some people will bet on spence for practical reasons. But I will still support pacquaio on this fight since I still believe on his power. Also I hope pacquaio will be alright after this fight many also worried about his health since he has a chance to get a awful disease if he's unlucky to receive a heavy punch from his opponent. Hopefully he will forget other things and remain focus on thus fight.

These are the characteristics I believe were used by the bookers to judge the fight odds but I think they forget that Pacman was also in the same situation when he takes on Keith Thurman.
@Maslate, the poll will be nice but I don't think it will justify the odds of the fight but I expect the odds to change when it is the week of the fight.

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Despite the controversies in the politics that I don't really like about him, there will be many supporters for Manny Pacquiao when it comes to boxing, and right now Pacquaio is busy and focus on his fight with Errol Spence that he is now training in the U.S. where the fight will be held, I have seen his training he still got his speed and punching power but he can not underestimate his opponent Errol Spence Jr. because Spence is just 31 years old to the 42 years old Manny Pacquiao, but I will be biased here because when it comes to Filipino boxer just like the Nonito Donaire fight I will surely support Manny Pacquaio all the way when it comes to boxing.

What controversies are you alluding too? People support him because he is one of the best boxers to have fought. Yes he has started losing more towards the end of his boxing career or winning but not as convincingly as he did when he was younger but they guy is one of the most exciting and technical boxers ever. Errol Spence Jr does not have much for Manny when you compare their boxing abilities I think a convincing Manny Pac win is on the cards.

He is talking about the politics in the Philippines in which Manny has somewhat attack the current and sitting President before he went to the US and train and it might cause some distractions on Manny side in preparation for the Errol Spence fight.

But as far as boxing is concern, he is well loved and supported even if he is the underdog in this fight. This is a big challenge for him and hope that he can focus on it despite on what's going on his country regarding his political ambitions.

Yup! thanks Dave1 because of that I am giving you something, that is what I don't like about Manny Pacquaio and actually, I don't really like him in politics, and the way he is attacking the president is like there are some people dictating him to do it and because he is running for the president for 2022 he is likely doing something low like this,

But despite that when it comes to boxing no doubt about it, he is one of the great boxers in the whole world, that is why I am supporting him in boxing and in boxing alone, and I will bet that he can win against Errol Spence Jr. no doubt about it.

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Bookmakers rate Spence as a clear favorite - the odds of him winning are about 1.2. I tend to agree with them - he is younger, taller, faster. Can't understand why Pacquiao needs this fight? Another plus in the defeat column but for a lot of money? It seems to me that he has already provided for himself for the rest of his life and could well end his career.

Similar to other high profile sports personalities, they have to maintain their lifestyle that's why they needed that kind of money to sustain them for the next decade. Plus as other have pointed out, Pacquiao has this political ambitions so in the Philippines, you need to have billions of pesos to run for the Presidency. Just one fight and easy $20 million = 1 billion PHP. Yeah that's a lot of money, but it won't last with Pacquiao's personalities.

I think any athlete, even a beginner, understands that at a certain moment it is necessary to change the source of income simply for the reason that time, strength and health are running out. Since he already has a name in world sports, he may not worry about a complete loss of income.
As for political ambitions, this is a conversation about amounts of a different order, here you have to think not about making money but about sponsors who will support you and your political ideas.

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I do not know if Manny can still focus on this match. There's a lot that's been happening to his politics life.

The stress that his political career brings him at the same time while preparing for the fight, I just can't think how he can handle them calmly.

Just look at the recent YT videos of ESNews - https://www.youtube.com/user/ESNEWS and fighthype - https://www.youtube.com/user/fighthype. They are uploading the preparations of Pacquiao. And I can say, Pacquiao seemed to be pretty serious in his training here. This match is getting interesting and less than a month of waiting. A lot of fans for sure are waiting for Pacquiao to be in the ring again.

Thanks mate.

I guess his team is the one that handles all the issues towards the other fence that he's also involved. We're all waiting for him to be seen at the ring again.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 17, 2021, 11:58:54 PM

Although many like my self are still waiting to see a bout between Errol Spence Jr and Crawford, the fight between him and the Pac Man will still be very much entertaining.

Errol Spence jr has made public that he plans to knock out Old Pacquiao into retirement but i seriously hope that he can perform as he has youth & speed associated with age as an advantage to him and a very impressive career record of 27 wins and no losses, 21 of them being KO.

On the other hand, the Pac Man is not going to be an easy opponent, he is very experienced and is preparing really hard for this fight as seen from his social media handles, he is also one of the greatest fighters alive and I hope he will be able to uphold his career record.

How many previous opponents of Pacquiao said that they will put him into retirement? Just like Thurman before, but ended up Pacquiao as the winner. Thurman was humbled by Pacquiao after the fight. Now, I really hope Pacquiao will win again on this one. And let's see what the boxing world will say. But the thing is, if Pac will win, he may look for another opponent again. I hope he retires very soon.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on July 17, 2021, 11:40:33 AM

Despite the controversies in the politics that I don't really like about him, there will be many supporters for Manny Pacquiao when it comes to boxing, and right now Pacquaio is busy and focus on his fight with Errol Spence that he is now training in the U.S. where the fight will be held, I have seen his training he still got his speed and punching power but he can not underestimate his opponent Errol Spence Jr. because Spence is just 31 years old to the 42 years old Manny Pacquiao, but I will be biased here because when it comes to Filipino boxer just like the Nonito Donaire fight I will surely support Manny Pacquaio all the way when it comes to boxing.

I researched Pacman and the state of politics in the Philippines. It appears that a victory for him would benefit his chances to win if he runs for president. I reckon the conclusion of the fight will be the decider if he runs or not. If it is a win, I would not be shocked if he announced his intention to run as president during the post fight interview.

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Bookmakers rate Spence as a clear favorite - the odds of him winning are about 1.2. I tend to agree with them - he is younger, taller, faster. Can't understand why Pacquiao needs this fight? Another plus in the defeat column but for a lot of money? It seems to me that he has already provided for himself for the rest of his life and could well end his career.

I'm very worried about Pacquiao he is facing two adversaries right now his coming fight with Spence and his ongoing fight in his political party, another faction of his he was just ousted as a party president of the ruling party PDP Laban, not the best time for this to happen I hope Manny is still ok, politics is really dirty in the Philippines, they should have deferred or delay the decision after Pacquiao's fight.

https://www.rappler.com/nation/elections/manny-pacquiao-ousted-pdp-laban-president

In the world of politics, any publicity is good publicity. It is better than being ignored. This attention is good for Pacman. His political handlers should maneuver the situation carefully, however.

There should be a sportsbook offering Pacman odds for president similar to Trump and Biden hehehehe.

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Bookmakers rate Spence as a clear favorite - the odds of him winning are about 1.2. I tend to agree with them - he is younger, taller, faster. Can't understand why Pacquiao needs this fight? Another plus in the defeat column but for a lot of money? It seems to me that he has already provided for himself for the rest of his life and could well end his career.

I'm very worried about Pacquiao he is facing two adversaries right now his coming fight with Spence and his ongoing fight in his political party, another faction of his he was just ousted as a party president of the ruling party PDP Laban, not the best time for this to happen I hope Manny is still ok, politics is really dirty in the Philippines, they should have deferred or delay the decision after Pacquiao's fight.

https://www.rappler.com/nation/elections/manny-pacquiao-ousted-pdp-laban-president

Well, that's the path he'd like to take. He shouldn't have get involved into politics, I've said it a hundred times.
However, he made a statement that the current political issues he's facing including the lawsuit didn't bother his preparations against Spence.
Let's see how he would coup up with a lot of burden he's carrying inside his head.
And I agree with @KTChampions, this fight will most probably end his career.
And maybe just maybe, he needs more money for the preparation for the coming 2022 election.

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Although many like my self are still waiting to see a bout between Errol Spence Jr and Crawford, the fight between him and the Pac Man will still be very much entertaining.

Errol Spence jr has made public that he plans to knock out Old Pacquiao into retirement but i seriously hope that he can perform as he has youth & speed associated with age as an advantage to him and a very impressive career record of 27 wins and no losses, 21 of them being KO.

On the other hand, the Pac Man is not going to be an easy opponent, he is very experienced and is preparing really hard for this fight as seen from his social media handles, he is also one of the greatest fighters alive and I hope he will be able to uphold his career record.

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