Topic: [ BOXING POLL ADDED ] The Rematch - JOSHUA vs USYK II (updated thread) (Read 3510 times)

And then Robert backtrack his statement or at least there is "lost in translation", Robert Garcia Denies Criticizing Joshua, Claims He Was Mistranslated


Just bothered me that a trainer will say that to his boxer after that fight. But let's see if he will continue to be with Joshua after this one, we have heard what Anthony said and that he will continue with his boxing career. I have a feeling that we will still be train by Robert in his next fight and then we will see if the partnership will carry on or not.

Garcia is biased of course, but the fact that in the 9th round AJ had an advantage and (seemed) was close to crushing Usyk, I think no one will argue. The problem is that apart from this mini-victory, AJ had nothing else and he lost the next three rounds outright. In general, taking into account the fact that we already have two fights in which Usyk convincingly won (in the first fight he generally declassed AJ), it makes no sense to talk about what the chances of AJ were and what he could count on. This is a stage already passed.

Garcia did try his best to rally his boy in the corner, but I would say that it is not enough though, it really took a lot on Joshua on round 9, but he wasn't able to sustain in the more crucial rounds. So he just faded away simple as that. No need to find an explanation as Usyk did dominate him. There is not even an uproar in the boxing fans because they knew that AJ really lost that fight. It's good that he is not going to retire and fight again, just need to fight guys that he can knock out so that his confidence will be restored.

That is one opinion from one person (Garcia) who was employed to train Joshua therefore can he be neutral in what he is saying? I respect Joshua for the way he changed his fighting style to occupy the centre of the ring but in all honesty that was all he could do to have any chance of beating Usyk... but he failed.

Now for Garcia to say that round 10 was the game changer shows he is deluded. Usyk clearly won the fight with only a couple of debatable rounds where Joshua might have made a case to be ahead.

Ok here is what Robert Garcia has to say about Joshua's breakdown:


https://www.boxingscene.com/robert-garcia-feels-joshua-mentally-defeated-tenth-usyk-rematch--168622

His point is that when AJ had a very good round in round 9, but he wasn't able to finished Usyk that time with that body shot.

And then Usyk, the fighter that he is, wanted to erase round 9, simply came back in round 10 and after that, it seems that Joshua is spent already and tired and yeah maybe mentally defeated and asking how can he can't finished him in the previous round and then make a huge comeback? Questioning himself, but again, Usyk is far more superior than him so 9 out of 10 fights, Usyk will beat him.

You are right Wilder did fight many boxers on their way out or simply not good enough and in several very tight fights when he was in to latter rounds he managed to win by using that powerful right hand punch but I began respecting Wilder after he fought Fury on three occasions. What he lacked in skills he made up for in sheer determination and guts but Fury was too powerful and dominant for Wilder.

His best chance to win was in the first fight because Fury retired in 2015 and just got back in the ring with two warm up fights in 2018 before fighting Wilder. The first fight was awarded as a draw but there is no doubt Fury won it. After that in the II and III fights Fury was all over Wilder and basically demolished him.

I am fairly convinced if a fight went ahead between Wilder and Joshua the conclusion is clear: Wilder will knock Joshua out in a more convincing manner than Ruiz did because Joshua will not be getting up during the count.

In any case regardless of what happened back then I think we can agree that both of them, Joshua and Wilder, need to fight each other in order to make a case for themselves that they deserve another fight for a title, and I think this is the perfect moment to do it because as we know Fury may fight Usyk next and at minimum we could see two fights, so Joshua and Wilder have the time to settle that fight among themselves and find out who has the right to become the next challenger.

I think the truth behind it is both sides rejected the contracts, despite sending counter offers. I mean, the money was probably with Fury at the time, and Wilder ended up getting three fights out of it so I don't think we can blame his decision making. Plus, he may have thought beating Fury before Joshua would setup his fight with Joshua that little bit more.

Remember, outside of the US Wilder wasn't considered the best. He hadn't really been tested, just looking at his record will show you he either crushed cans or fought boxers that were on their way out of the sport. He even struggled against some of the older fighters, until he knocked them out. So, we knew his boxing wasn't all that great, he just had dynamite in his hands.

Maybe this time the odds would favor Wilder over AJ due to his hand speed so he might be the first to land. Fury on the other hand is not known to have the toughest chin in boxing. He went down before and I can't forget during his first or second fight in the US where he was knocked down by a former cruiserweight and light puncher USS Cunningham. Wilder's 40+ wins with only 1 non-knockout is just parallel to AJ's 20+ victories with only 1 decision win, although it became 2 during his second reign probably due to mental effects he fought safe against Ruiz.

Wilder an Olympic bronze medalist only fought for a world title when he already has 30+ wins and after fighting bums after bums which were unnecessary for an Olympic medalist. Whereas AJ fought for a world title after only a few fights. So they are the same when it comes to high level of pro experience. AJ even held 3 belts before compared to Wilder's 1.     

My bad. AJ fought Pulev already before pursuing his mandatory with Usyk. I think Pulev was AJ's IBF mandatory before and Usyk to his WBO belt. Well, if Hearn doesn't mind rematches then Ruiz and Whyte are possible foes. Although I prefer a new name for AJ who's also not coming off from a defeat but beatable so I came up with Hunter and Chisora.

It is actually AJ and Eddie over the years that pursued Wilder. I can read a lot of reliable articles on this. And I am yet to see a reliable source saying AJ ducked Wilder except they refused some offers but they submitted better counter offers. And only after Wilder's draw with Fury that Wilder suddenly admitted that he refused an AJ fight. There are a lot of reliable sources to prove this. The excuse is too shallow IMO. Maybe the truth is Wilder's ego cannot risk losing to AJ? Or maybe Wilder is one of those guys that worshipped Haymon? I always thought that PBC is like a cult. So many fighters sacrificed millions of dollars just to continue staying with Haymon's PBC like Quillin, Jermall, and Wilder. 

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/513180/deontay-wilder-explains-reject-anthony-joshua/

The thing for me is Fury can take a punch, and basically never looks rocked when he does get knocked down. He demonstrated this even against Wilder, except for maybe two of the knock downs. It's the first time I've genuinely seen Fury a little bit shaken up after receiving a punch, which is insane to think of considering the division he fights in.

However, on the other hand I've seen Joshua get rocked far too many times, even from somewhat minor shots. Plus, his recovery seems to be awful even without comparing it to Fury. So, I'd agree. I think Joshua takes one on the chin, and folds like a cheap garden chair.

I like Joshua somewhat, I just don't like how he has become the golden boy, and basically the iconic British fighter, despite Fury in my opinion being streets ahead of him in terms of fighting ability, but also personality.

If Wilder caught him it would definitely night night for Joshua 

I think Hearn will end up choosing a couple of easily beatable opponents for Joshua while he eases back in to the ring. Wilder also will have a couple of warm up fights and when they are over there really could be Wilder vs Joshua happening.

I also got the impression Joshua avoided Wilder, if I remember correctly that fight could have happened several years ago yet somehow it just did not go head.

I also share this opinion, Wilder is too strong a puncher, and AJ will most likely lose to him by knockout in the first 6-7 rounds. And I do not think that now they should "restore their mental strength" by fighting with no-names. Now they are both "downed pilots" - to get back into business they need a normal fight and a fight between them would be the most logical solution.

AJ already met Pulev and as I remember, their fight wasnt very dramatic. It was a matter of time when AJ would finish Pulev, because AJ completely dominated. I think we wont see anything new if they meet again. Chisora - isnt he old enough to consider him as "famous, but long ago not in prime". Hunter could be a good opponent, but just on a paper. I see no big names on his record list, I dont he will give AJ a good fight. But what about Dillian Whyte ? They have already met. Could be a good rematch, even though Whyte lost.

So according to Frank Warren they've given official notice that they intend to fight and won't be vacating the belts so looks like they Usyk fight will happen. My only hope is that Fury doesn't get too greedy and will only fight if he gets the 500 million he's asking for, which is in insane, especially since they've already agreed to a 50/50 split with Usyk which would make it a billion dollar fight, though I'm sure that would be great for marketing. As I said before, I hope Fury asking for 500 million is just his way of starting high with the negotiations and they'll obviously be some haggling, but they'll likely settle on something like 100-250 million. One good thing is things look to be moving fast and they're wanting to get it done before the end of the year which could be a squeeze. If they leave it any longer though that's when the commissions will start trying to give mandatory fights which could throw a spanner in the works so it will be in everyone's interest to get a deal done soon.
 

I'd like to see it but I think Wilder wins it fairly easy. He hits too hard. If he can knock down Fury 3-4 times or however many it was I think he can do the same to AJ. AJ probably won't fight Wilder anytime soon and will fight some easier opponents just to try get his mojo back.

If given another chance, he should not decline or avoid it because his record is not doing well nowadays and Wilder is a worthy opponent for him because they both came from a losing streak which will not gonna give them both goosebumps when fighting each other. If they want to have a great comeback, they should really work on getting this fight into reality because this is the only chance for them to get their popularity back.

I also think Joshua gets knocked out by Wilder, however I imagine he'll go back to that safe boxing technique he did against Ruiz in their second fight, which isn't very entertaining. I still think Wilder catches him regardless though.

I was a little more impressed by Joshua on the weekend. He did better than expected, and he had Usyk hurt a few times it seemed with those body shots. Ultimately, he hasn't got enough of a skill set if plan a doesn't work. Whereas boxers like Fury, and Usyk have multiple ways. I still do believe that Fury has the entire tool kit needed though, whereas Usyk only has a little more than Joshua.

Next fight I'd make is Joshua vs Wilder, Fury vs Usyk, and then allow the winners to take each other one to clear up any doubt. I'd imagine Fury would win, and Wilder. I know Wilder has already faced Fury a number of times, but they've always been entertaining so I wouldn't mind seeing a fourth.

Fury, and Joshua need to fight at some point though, otherwise they'll always be the what if questions. Fury needs to cement himself as the goat of this era in my eyes. He's already so close to doing it, despite his dividing personality.

I'm surprised most people thought that Wilder is better than Joshua even during their undefeated days. I always see AJ as being more technical and composed than Wilder. During their undefeated days as champions, there were rumors of a unification fight and I saw the odds favored AJ. If AJ is mentally unstable then Wilder is also or maybe even more mentally affected by that embarrassing knockout loss to Fury. Both fighters can get hurt too. Wilder may have the hand speed advantage but AJ has a better defense with his hands always high.

Wilder is scheduled to fight Robert Helenius and we will see if he is back with his confidence. I would also love to see AJ fight someone not that dangerous to get back his confidence as well although we know that his huge contract might need an opponent that is also popular and marketable. Andy Ruiz would be a perfect tune-up but not sure if it makes sense financially due to what happened in their boring rematch. Maybe a new name for AJ like Chisora, Pulev, and Hunter.

Wilder vs Joshua was a fight fans wanted to watch for a long time but at least I always got the impression Joshua avoided Wilder, and now if Joshua wants to have any chance at another title fight he has no option but to fight Wilder and beat him, would he do it? I hope he tries as I still want to watch the fight, but if I am honest I think that as long as Wilder is healthy and is not suffering from some long term injury after his fight with Fury that Wilder should beat Joshua and deliver a KO on him.

I agree, and even before when both of them have an unbeaten record and then face each other, I think Wilder will win by knock out. Joshua is known to have a so-so chin, Wladimir Klitschko knock him down, and then Ruiz exposed him. So just imagine if the Bronze Bomber landed perfectly on Joshua's chin, it will be night night for him.

Warm up fight is obviously needed for Joshua if he wanted to continue. Wilder is up next, let's see if he already "exorcised the demons" with his 2 defeats from Fury.

I think Joshua will be knocked out if he faces Wilder, I am very confident about that.

With the news Wilder is making a comeback and also Joshua thinking about fighting again in 4 months time there is a possibility they could meet next year after both have had a couple of warm up fights. I just cannot see any way Joshua can get past Wilder because when Wilder catches you with a ferocious right hand the opponent usually falls and does not get up.

Only Fury managed to get up several times over his trilogy and still defeat Wilder.