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I always thought he was overrated, that was my feeling.

Joshua has been beaten 3 times in his previous 5 fights including back to back defeats therefore he does not represent a massive threat to any competent fighter that will enter the ring with him. If Joshua and Wilder do fight I am sure Wilder will win by knockout. Where can Joshua go from here?

Quote from: mu_enrico on August 21, 2022, 12:56:56 PM

I think AJ is overrated in the first place, and it's now proven with Ruiz and then Usyk, two top fighters that are not that good compared to the previous decade's boxers. Well, looking at the top 5 heavyweight boxers, it seems that Fury will be the undisputed champion quite easily. Usyk is a cruiserweight boxer, his punch means nothing for a gigantic boxer like Fury.

Yeah AJ vs Wilder would be a good match, as long as Wilder has no serious injury post-KO, He'll beat AJ.

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I think AJ is overrated in the first place, and it's now proven with Ruiz and then Usyk, two top fighters that are not that good compared to the previous decade's boxers. Well, looking at the top 5 heavyweight boxers, it seems that Fury will be the undisputed champion quite easily. Usyk is a cruiserweight boxer, his punch means nothing for a gigantic boxer like Fury.

Yeah AJ vs Wilder would be a good match, as long as Wilder has no serious injury post-KO, He'll beat AJ.

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Quote from: JollyGood on August 21, 2022, 12:48:54 PM

There was no chance that any professional judge carrying out his scoring duties with complete neutrality could ever award the fight to Joshua over Usyk. How did Glenn Feldman conclude Joshua won by 115-113? The other two judges, Viktor Fesechko scored it 116-112 in favour of Usyk while Steve Gray scored it 115-113 also in favour of Usyk.

It is such a shame another controversial scorecard decision marred the event. The article is here: TalkSport

I wonder why he did it? Was hoping that one of the other two judges would award a draw and the result would be a scandalous draw? Complete nonsense. I think it's obvious that in a rematch against the reigning champion, the challenger (who was declassed in the previous fight) has to be significantly stronger to win (or at least get a draw).
I can’t say that it overshadowed the result, but once again it reminded me that boxing has a lot of undercover fights, bias and dirty deeds.

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There was no chance that any professional judge carrying out his scoring duties with complete neutrality could ever award the fight to Joshua over Usyk. How did Glenn Feldman conclude Joshua won by 115-113? The other two judges, Viktor Fesechko scored it 116-112 in favour of Usyk while Steve Gray scored it 115-113 also in favour of Usyk.

It is such a shame another controversial scorecard decision marred the event. The article is here: TalkSport

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It's a shame that one judge tried to steal its result. There is no way AJ won 7 rounds. Glen Feldman should be banned from judging again. Here are the actual scorecards in the fight.

Here are the punch stats according to Compubox.

Let's try to compare the scorecards of the judges by scoring the fight based on the jabs and power punches landed per round. The result is 116-112 for Usyk.

It was a great event in Saudi. Usyk a former undisputed cruiser champ is now clearly a future Hall of Famer after becoming the lineal and Ring belt champion left by Fury. And there is no shame in losing to such a great champion. Usyk wanted a showdown with Fury next or he might probably retire. AJ can still become champion again if Usyk retires early and with Fury retiring for good. It's too late but I still want to see AJ against Wilder.

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If there is anybody from the current crop that can upset Fury or get close to it, then it has to be Usyk but If I have this correct Usyk is 6'3'' whereas Fury is 6'9'' and there is colossal weight difference between them. This will count heavily in favour of Fury as well as his reach and height.

I think Fury will be able to stop Usyk long before 12 rounds. I like the way Usyk fights therefore I hope he does not get knocked out or even knocked down even once. If it went to points that would be a great performance by Usyk but I think a TKO might be more likely with Fury unifying the belts.

Quote from: hilariousetc on August 21, 2022, 06:40:55 AM

That fight really needs to happen. Usyk wants it, it's going to be both of their biggest paydays, and I don't think Usyk will trouble Fury too much so there's no reason why this fight shouldn't happen.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 20, 2022, 06:42:15 PM

What is happening to AJ? Has he lost his drive, his motivation, his hunger? I mean, because I do not understand what's been going on with this champ. Has he made so much money that his heart in no longer in the sport? Totally appalled and embarrassed with his performance in the ring. The AJ I watched today stands no fighting chance against Fury and Wilder.

There is such a proverb as "you can not jump above your head." AJ had a great fight and apparently it was his maximum. He added in speed and in an attempt to use his size. Compared to the first fight where he was beaten, this was a much higher level fight. But still, Usyk turned out to be stronger. Now it's a very difficult decision for AJ (he is now in the same situation as Wilder before) - to retire or to continue fighting with a slim chance that he will be given another attempt to get belt?

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Quote from: FlamingFingers on August 21, 2022, 01:12:34 AM

I think it is high time Joshua retire, dude has paid his due, the tide is no longer in his favor. He should retire, before destroying and shattering all his good records. He actually fought a good fight, those body shots were on point and he landed more combination punches than the first fight. He hurt Usyk bad in the 9th round but Usyk is just special and stepped it up round 10-12 to win. Aside Fury I don’t think any of the current heavyweight top guys can beat Usyk and even with Fury he has a chance but Fury is just so big and long.

At 32 and still strong and with high motivation I don't think Joshua will do that, he can take a vacation and take out all the pressure, the last part of the boxer that will give is the mind, he is not giving up on himself his body can still take it, maybe another tune fight will get his motivation back he still has that power but lacks the ring generalship at 32 it is not yet late to reinvest himself, he can come back anytime, Foreman did it after many years off in boxing.

AJ should just take some time off and fight whoever he can to try get his mojo back. He might end up being the mandatory again at some point so it's not over for him yet and the belts won't stay with either Usyk or Fury forever either. Fury will probably have one or two more championship fights in him before he actually retires. Retiring after Usyk wouldn't be a bad way to go especially if he unifies all the belts, and like I said yesterday it looks like Fury's current 'retirement' was just a money grab as he's now asking for the big bucks for the Usyk fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4mD_W8qoYA

That fight really needs to happen. Usyk wants it, it's going to be both of their biggest paydays, and I don't think Usyk will trouble Fury too much so there's no reason why this fight shouldn't happen.

I agree he is just 32 he is still at his peak he just needs to add more repertoire to his skill, but all the boxers that going to fight Joshua in the future will have references on how to beat him, Joshua is exposed on his last two fights and he admits his shortcomings in the ring, he really needs to improve he should not concentrate on just power, he should not go for Fury because Fury is a big version of Usyk, very technical.
Now is the best time to fight Wilder, they have two successive losses to their rivals and they badly need a win I feel that Joshua is a much better fighter than Wilder, its a risky fight for both fighters but they have a score to settle.

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Quote from: robelneo on August 21, 2022, 03:31:47 AM

Quote from: FlamingFingers on August 21, 2022, 01:12:34 AM

I think it is high time Joshua retire, dude has paid his due, the tide is no longer in his favor. He should retire, before destroying and shattering all his good records. He actually fought a good fight, those body shots were on point and he landed more combination punches than the first fight. He hurt Usyk bad in the 9th round but Usyk is just special and stepped it up round 10-12 to win. Aside Fury I don’t think any of the current heavyweight top guys can beat Usyk and even with Fury he has a chance but Fury is just so big and long.

At 32 and still strong and with high motivation I don't think Joshua will do that, he can take a vacation and take out all the pressure, the last part of the boxer that will give is the mind, he is not giving up on himself his body can still take it, maybe another tune fight will get his motivation back he still has that power but lacks the ring generalship at 32 it is not yet late to reinvest himself, he can come back anytime, Foreman did it after many years off in boxing.

AJ should just take some time off and fight whoever he can to try get his mojo back. He might end up being the mandatory again at some point so it's not over for him yet and the belts won't stay with either Usyk or Fury forever either. Fury will probably have one or two more championship fights in him before he actually retires. Retiring after Usyk wouldn't be a bad way to go especially if he unifies all the belts, and like I said yesterday it looks like Fury's current 'retirement' was just a money grab as he's now asking for the big bucks for the Usyk fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4mD_W8qoYA

That fight really needs to happen. Usyk wants it, it's going to be both of their biggest paydays, and I don't think Usyk will trouble Fury too much so there's no reason why this fight shouldn't happen.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 20, 2022, 06:42:15 PM

What is happening to AJ? Has he lost his drive, his motivation, his hunger? I mean, because I do not understand what's been going on with this champ. Has he made so much money that his heart in no longer in the sport? Totally appalled and embarrassed with his performance in the ring. The AJ I watched today stands no fighting chance against Fury and Wilder.

On a technical level he is simply not good enough to take on the abilities of fighter such as Usyk. It really is that simple.

Quote from: Silberman on August 20, 2022, 10:47:09 PM

He probably knows that his career as a boxer is basically over, Usyk will never accept to fight him again as he beat him twice already, Joshua has no chance against Fury, assuming he came back, and I do not think he could beat Wilder either, so he knows he is out of any chance of winning another title no matter how hard he tries as his opponents are better than him, so he is frustrated with Usyk as he has basically single-handedly forced him to retire.

In boxing you can never say never, there is a chance Joshua might one day find himself fighting for the belts again but right now it is all about Usyk, it is his moment to shine.

Quote from: robelneo on August 21, 2022, 03:31:47 AM

At 32 and still strong and with high motivation I don't think Joshua will do that, he can take a vacation and take out all the pressure, the last part of the boxer that will give is the mind, he is not giving up on himself his body can still take it, maybe another tune fight will get his motivation back he still has that power but lacks the ring generalship at 32 it is not yet late to reinvest himself, he can come back anytime, Foreman did it after many years off in boxing.

Foreman was a brilliant boxer, after all those years of retirement he returned to the ring because he knew he could do it. I would not place Joshua and Foreman in the same bracket because Joshua simply is not good enough.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 20, 2022, 06:42:15 PM

What is happening to AJ? Has he lost his drive, his motivation, his hunger? I mean, because I do not understand what's been going on with this champ. Has he made so much money that his heart in no longer in the sport? Totally appalled and embarrassed with his performance in the ring. The AJ I watched today stands no fighting chance against Fury and Wilder.

He is a good fighter, but this sometimes happens when you meet a stronger opponent on your way. He had a chance to win, but he could not use it, and in the championship rounds he was exhausted and it was clear that he had no chances to win, Usyk survived and turned the tide of the fight in his favor. Joshua is a good fighter and will win in the ring, but Fury won't fight him, that's obvious.

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Usyk fought like a wounded lion. He fought with a heavy heart.

From the first fight match, Usyk was just too aggressive, relentless and hungry for a victory. Joshua was really out of place, scared & lacked that killer instinct that most heavyweight champions have! I knew Usyk was once again going to outclass him. Usyk reminds me of Vladimir, tough, rugged and fast! I supported Joshua but the best fighter won though

He said post fight interview that he did want to change his style in this fight and you can see that sometimes it his effective, enough for 1 judges to sway the fight on his favor. But the 2 thinks otherwise, and that is what we saw, Usyk out landing Joshua in the most crucial rounds of 10-12. I just pity Joshua because he broke down and cry at the post fight. He really put himself in training and look forward to this fight in the last 11 months and yet he still fell short of it. I guess he can still continue to fight, maybe try to regain the hunger and motivation.

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Quote from: FlamingFingers on August 21, 2022, 01:12:34 AM

I think it is high time Joshua retire, dude has paid his due, the tide is no longer in his favor. He should retire, before destroying and shattering all his good records. He actually fought a good fight, those body shots were on point and he landed more combination punches than the first fight. He hurt Usyk bad in the 9th round but Usyk is just special and stepped it up round 10-12 to win. Aside Fury I don’t think any of the current heavyweight top guys can beat Usyk and even with Fury he has a chance but Fury is just so big and long.

At 32 and still strong and with high motivation I don't think Joshua will do that, he can take a vacation and take out all the pressure, the last part of the boxer that will give is the mind, he is not giving up on himself his body can still take it, maybe another tune fight will get his motivation back he still has that power but lacks the ring generalship at 32 it is not yet late to reinvest himself, he can come back anytime, Foreman did it after many years off in boxing.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 20, 2022, 06:42:15 PM

What is happening to AJ? Has he lost his drive, his motivation, his hunger? I mean, because I do not understand what's been going on with this champ. Has he made so much money that his heart in no longer in the sport? Totally appalled and embarrassed with his performance in the ring. The AJ I watched today stands no fighting chance against Fury and Wilder.

What you're asking is like asking why Brighton lost 4-0 to Man City last weekend. He doesn't seem to have lost his drive at all and I think he wanted this win more than anything but he just couldn't beat a better man. He did much better this time around than last though I thought. I give him winning 3 rounds at least, and I think he did have Usyk stung in the 9th or 10th round or so, he just didn't have the gas tank to capitalise on it.

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Usyk could be the greatest heavyweight boxer of this generation after all, and I wonder what's next for Joshua.

Nah. I really doubt it. I don't think he would trouble Fury too much, and I think Wilder would beat him as well. Hopefully we get to see him fight both though. Usyk and Fury really need to fight now. It's the logical match up. Fury might struggle to KO him but he'd win it on points I'm sure. Then again, If Fury can flatten Wilder I think he can do the same to Usyk.

Quote from: FlamingFingers on August 21, 2022, 01:12:34 AM

I think it is high time Joshua retire, dude has paid his due, the tide is no longer in his favor. He should retire, before destroying and shattering all his good records. He actually fought a good fight, those body shots were on point and he landed more combination punches than the first fight. He hurt Usyk bad in the 9th round but Usyk is just special and stepped it up round 10-12 to win. Aside Fury I don’t think any of the current heavyweight top guys can beat Usyk and even with Fury he has a chance but Fury is just so big and long.

Why do you think he should retire if he had a good fight? Most boxers don't retire after a couple of defeats. I still think AJ beats most other boxers, but Usyk, Fury and Wilder etc are all too good for him. I still would like to see him fight the latter two though. Without the belts the Fury fight would probably be at the tail end of their careers but I could see him against Wilder now that he's back.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 20, 2022, 08:47:17 PM

Have you all seen Joshua's behavior after the fight he is a very upset man he even throws the two belts the WBA and ring magazine title outside of the ring and even confronted Usyk and tells him how do you beat me, its a big disappointment for those who adorn and look up to him instead of congratulating Usyk he despises him, Usyk for his part is very calm, Usyk deserves the match and Joshua has no right to disrespect Usyk, he should be sanction for his action.

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Such behavior of Joshua I dont understand. Why he left the ring and then returned? Because he thought he was robbed? He looked better, a lot better than he was in first fight. But he should be ready, to beat champion, doing 100% is not enough. He had to do 200% of himself. In close fights, champion always gets the win, even draw is impossible. Besides, due to Ukraine-Russian war, judges already were on Usyk side. People might disagree with that, but there is always politics involved. As a proof, check Eurovision song contest 2022, guess who is the winner of it. So Joshua has already started this fight with "two points disadvantage". He should have shown 250% or 300% of himself to win (or as Russians say - "jump out of pants", meaning do impossible).

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on August 20, 2022, 08:09:20 PM

^^ Yes, I think Fury might get out of his retirement and fight Usyk, for sure this will also be bigger in any parts of the world, US/UK/Middle East.

But yeah, we should hear from Fury first, he has still up to August 26 to make it official, whether he will retire for good or not, or go for another lucrative fight against Usyk for all the marbles and money.

I don't think that Fury will come out of retirement, I would love to see him fight Usyk, but I think the chances are small even if they put a lot of money on the line. If the fight would happen, I think Fury would win it.

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I think it is high time Joshua retire, dude has paid his due, the tide is no longer in his favor. He should retire, before destroying and shattering all his good records. He actually fought a good fight, those body shots were on point and he landed more combination punches than the first fight. He hurt Usyk bad in the 9th round but Usyk is just special and stepped it up round 10-12 to win. Aside Fury I don’t think any of the current heavyweight top guys can beat Usyk and even with Fury he has a chance but Fury is just so big and long.

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Have you all seen Joshua's behavior after the fight he is a very upset man he even throws the two belts the WBA and ring magazine title outside of the ring and even confronted Usyk and tells him how do you beat me, its a big disappointment for those who adorn and look up to him instead of congratulating Usyk he despises him, Usyk for his part is very calm, Usyk deserves the match and Joshua has no right to disrespect Usyk, he should be sanction for his action.

Anthony Joshua confronts Oleksandr Usyk after defeat & throws belts out of the ring

He probably knows that his career as a boxer is basically over, Usyk will never accept to fight him again as he beat him twice already, Joshua has no chance against Fury, assuming he came back, and I do not think he could beat Wilder either, so he knows he is out of any chance of winning another title no matter how hard he tries as his opponents are better than him, so he is frustrated with Usyk as he has basically single-handedly forced him to retire.

It's a meltdown I have never seen a boxer losing and stealing the spotlight from the champion it should be the champion's moment but he tried to reason out to the crowd and try to regain their respect, but he should understand that a loss is a loss and he should be gracious in defeat, he should do a soul searching and think of a new direction for his career, I believe he can still fight he is in the same position like Wilder so why not promoters match these two whoever loses should retire, that would be exciting for the boxing community.

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Quote from: Daltonik on August 20, 2022, 10:30:07 PM

Usyk really won a well-deserved victory, even by decision, if a fight with Fury takes place, it would be interesting to see what happens there, the Gypsy King in his style has already commented on the rematch of Usyk vs Joshua and called it one of the worst title fights in his opinion.

https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/status/1561138327964860420

Just like Fury, Usyk is also strong because AJ caught him with some clean shots but he was still standing. I like his durability, I think he is ready for the gypsy king, but if that match would happen, I would still root for the Gypsy King to win.

Anyway, congratulations to Usyk, I thought the trilogy is coming. Grin

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 20, 2022, 08:47:17 PM

Have you all seen Joshua's behavior after the fight he is a very upset man he even throws the two belts the WBA and ring magazine title outside of the ring and even confronted Usyk and tells him how do you beat me, its a big disappointment for those who adorn and look up to him instead of congratulating Usyk he despises him, Usyk for his part is very calm, Usyk deserves the match and Joshua has no right to disrespect Usyk, he should be sanction for his action.

Anthony Joshua confronts Oleksandr Usyk after defeat & throws belts out of the ring

He probably knows that his career as a boxer is basically over, Usyk will never accept to fight him again as he beat him twice already, Joshua has no chance against Fury, assuming he came back, and I do not think he could beat Wilder either, so he knows he is out of any chance of winning another title no matter how hard he tries as his opponents are better than him, so he is frustrated with Usyk as he has basically single-handedly forced him to retire.

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