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Quote from: Baofeng on June 01, 2023, 06:07:42 PM

How about this news?

https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1664287862911807490

Will Canelo bite on this one? or will he clearly duck Benavidez at this stage because he is focus on a rematch with Bivol at 175 lbs.

Offer might not be big for Canelo though, but I think the Benavidez is chasing him because they know that Canelo is slowly losing a step or two as what we hae seen in the Ryder fight recently.

In this economy, $50M is worth the trouble after all Canelo is not after zero loss, he already have loss and he could even fight Beterbeiv if they just arrange a deal.

The rematch against Bivol is pretty much assured to happen so he can forget it for now and accept a fight as long as thers opportunity. Benavidez is peony to him.

I'm not really sure if the rematch with Bivol is assured though, perhaps there are still the money split and other that needs to be negotiated, although it's a easy negotiation since Bivol is under the same promotional banner with Canelo, Matchroom Boxing.

I do agree that the weight might be an issue or at least they are not in agreement where they should fight. But for me, make at light-heavyweight, no ifs and no buts, but let Canelo go up again in 175 lbs because he has done it before.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 02, 2023, 12:33:50 AM

@bittraffic. Bivol and Canelo's rematch is assured? I shake my head because they cannot agree on the weight division. Bivol wants to fight Canelo in super middleweight where he can win all of Canelo's championships, maybe except for the WBC. Canelo wants to fight in light heavyweight where he can win Bivol's championships hehehe.

I speculate that there will be no deal for this unless Canelo gives Bivol the biggest money offer in Bivol's career.

On Benavidez, he will never be given his chance to fight Canelo. If Canelo fights him, it will be risky. However, he might accept $75 million heheheheheeee.

I think the only reason why Bivol will go down to super middleweight is that if Canelo will stake his belt on that division. However, in the beginning Canelo says yeah it's possible, nevertheless he back tracks because he knows that his critics are going to give him unfavorable opinion saying that he weight drain Bivol and fight at his best weight class, no doesn't makes sense for them to fight at 168 lbs. So if there is a rematch, it will be at 175 lbs because logic says that is the first fight at Light Heavyweight. And of course, take's Bivol belt and become another 4x weight class champion. From 154-175 lbs.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 02, 2023, 12:33:50 AM

@bittraffic. Bivol and Canelo's rematch is assured? I shake my head because they cannot agree on the weight division. Bivol wants to fight Canelo in super middleweight where he can win all of Canelo's championships, maybe except for the WBC. Canelo wants to fight in light heavyweight where he can win Bivol's championships hehehe.

I speculate that there will be no deal for this unless Canelo gives Bivol the biggest money offer in Bivol's career.

On Benavidez, he will never be given his chance to fight Canelo. If Canelo fights him, it will be risky. However, he might accept $75 million heheheheheeee.

First time hearing that Bivol wants to get super middleweight belts and go to lower weight division. That is absurd, because he still dont have all the best in light heavyweight division Cheesy

So what is the reason for Bivol to jump from division to division, when he still did not "unlock all achievements" in one Cheesy

And the only reason imho why Canelo would go to light heavyweight is to avenge his loss. He wont go there just to change division, as there are no opponents in super middleweight anymore, he would go only to face Bivol.

Canelo should focus on super middleweight, as he wasnt that dominant against John Ryder, and everyone though it would be cherry picked opponent and easy fight, while Ryder gave him a good fight.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 02, 2023, 12:33:50 AM

I speculate that there will be no deal for this unless Canelo gives Bivol the biggest money offer in Bivol's career.

I think that is a fair assessment. Canelo lost in their fight, and now he needs to redeem himself. Although Bivol wasn't as well-known at that time, defeating Canelo brought him recognition and he is currently enjoying his newfound popularity. As a result, Bivol has the leverage to negotiate with Canelo, who is eager for a rematch. I believe a 60/40 split in favor of Bivol would be reasonable. Hopefully, Canelo will not be overly greedy and agree to those terms, and if he can, he should strive to defeat Bivol.

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@bittraffic. Bivol and Canelo's rematch is assured? I shake my head because they cannot agree on the weight division. Bivol wants to fight Canelo in super middleweight where he can win all of Canelo's championships, maybe except for the WBC. Canelo wants to fight in light heavyweight where he can win Bivol's championships hehehe.

I speculate that there will be no deal for this unless Canelo gives Bivol the biggest money offer in Bivol's career.

On Benavidez, he will never be given his chance to fight Canelo. If Canelo fights him, it will be risky. However, he might accept $75 million heheheheheeee.

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Quote from: Baofeng on June 01, 2023, 06:07:42 PM

How about this news?

https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1664287862911807490

Will Canelo bite on this one? or will he clearly duck Benavidez at this stage because he is focus on a rematch with Bivol at 175 lbs.

Offer might not be big for Canelo though, but I think the Benavidez is chasing him because they know that Canelo is slowly losing a step or two as what we hae seen in the Ryder fight recently.

In this economy, $50M is worth the trouble after all Canelo is not after zero loss, he already have loss and he could even fight Beterbeiv if they just arrange a deal.

The rematch against Bivol is pretty much assured to happen so he can forget it for now and accept a fight as long as thers opportunity. Benavidez is peony to him.

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I think that will be the better options for Rolly Romero now, of course a Ryan Garcia fight will be a block for him and his camp. Eventhough Ryan has lost his fight against Tank Davis, he is still one of the most bankable star and that's why everyone is still wanting to fight him including Romero.

But I guess WBA did him a favor here by ordering a Davies mandatory fight. Ohara is a solid 140 lbs and his name could be one of those who might reign in this division in the future. So it make sense for the WBA to order Romero and see how tough he is before calling out other 140 lbs fighters including Ryan (yes, I think Ryan will move up to 140 lbs in his next fight).

I'd say WBA really did him a favor because he will be stagnant if ever he will wait for Garcia until he is ready because we know that Garcia might have to lay low first in the next couple of months before having a fight for himself which I think will be a tune-up first, so a fight with this Ohara Davis will really make Romero more ready and busy, on the other hand, he might have some opportunities down the road if he continue to be active.

Romero's camp should be prepared about what could happen next for Romero because after all, they are not that kind of beginners in this industry who should be informed about what could be the next and also, they are under Mayweather who is under Al Haymon's guidance. So they shouldn't be shocked about this mandatory fight as almost every boxer is and was having it even if they just have finished their fight recently. He should be grateful because he is still garnering some fights even after that controversial win he got.

Yeah right, and for sure with fight's coming they are making decent profits so they should be preparing just in case a mandatory will be ordered for him and he will be fighting before that fight against Garcia, we might see another fight for the kid a cherry pick one before taking the title match, or maybe they can push this one if the price is right. The organization and both camps will be negotiating if they will see the potential for more money to come.

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How about this news?

https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1664287862911807490

Will Canelo bite on this one? or will he clearly duck Benavidez at this stage because he is focus on a rematch with Bivol at 175 lbs.

Offer might not be big for Canelo though, but I think the Benavidez is chasing him because they know that Canelo is slowly losing a step or two as what we hae seen in the Ryder fight recently.

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I smell that Ryan Garcia is just bluffing. But in Romero's case, it makes sense since he might not be able to hold the belt against the real contenders of the division. Garcia just came from a KO defeat so it's like an easier defense but financially big. But unless I can hear from Oscar De La Hoya, Garcia is just talking so people would see that he is not scared of Romero. But maybe this is doable if Garcia is really, serious. Both seem weak in the division but very popular so it is beneficial for both of them. And Garcia may not be able to get another title shot if Romero losses the belt to someone really good.

But there's also the promotional and network that both camps need to address. It is obvious that Garcia is the bigger name so I wonder if PBC and Showtime will allow GBP and DAZN to the event so the fight will go on. Just like when GBP and DAZN allowed them during the Tank-Garcia fight.

Yeah, hehehe, that could be the case again and again, I' curious as how the fight will turn out to be, because we all know that they've the same style, Lol, that is no style and just rely on their power to finished off their opponents. But the money that this fight can generated, perhaps the numbers could be closed to the Haney vs Loma in terms of PPV numbers?

However, Rolando Romero-Ohara Davies Mandatory 140-Pound Title Fight Ordered By WBA.

Initially he said that he doesn't want to face Ohara Davies because he is a no-name fighter. But I guess he would have to follow the mandate of WBA because Davies is their mandatory.

It will be exciting until it lasts. 2 fighters that have very low defense and are not technically good come out swinging wildly until someone gets hit. Cheesy

If both will do the trash talking then I am confident they can do better numbers than Loma-Haney. Both are Americans, PBC loyalists, and Garcia's fans will buy this PPV. I say they can do 300k-500k PPV buys.

Good thing the WBA made the mandatory. They probably thought that Garcia is just bluffing and it won't happen so they issue the mandatory. Ohara Davies deserves this title shot more than Romero. His only defeats only came from former undisputed Josh Taylor and Jack Catterall. I will definitely bet on Davies here. The only chance Romero wins is by KO or if PBC will buy the judges and the referee.

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I think that will be the better options for Rolly Romero now, of course a Ryan Garcia fight will be a block for him and his camp. Eventhough Ryan has lost his fight against Tank Davis, he is still one of the most bankable star and that's why everyone is still wanting to fight him including Romero.

But I guess WBA did him a favor here by ordering a Davies mandatory fight. Ohara is a solid 140 lbs and his name could be one of those who might reign in this division in the future. So it make sense for the WBA to order Romero and see how tough he is before calling out other 140 lbs fighters including Ryan (yes, I think Ryan will move up to 140 lbs in his next fight).

I'd say WBA really did him a favor because he will be stagnant if ever he will wait for Garcia until he is ready because we know that Garcia might have to lay low first in the next couple of months before having a fight for himself which I think will be a tune-up first, so a fight with this Ohara Davis will really make Romero more ready and busy, on the other hand, he might have some opportunities down the road if he continue to be active.

Romero's camp should be prepared about what could happen next for Romero because after all, they are not that kind of beginners in this industry who should be informed about what could be the next and also, they are under Mayweather who is under Al Haymon's guidance. So they shouldn't be shocked about this mandatory fight as almost every boxer is and was having it even if they just have finished their fight recently. He should be grateful because he is still garnering some fights even after that controversial win he got.

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However, Rolando Romero-Ohara Davies Mandatory 140-Pound Title Fight Ordered By WBA.

Initially he said that he doesn't want to face Ohara Davies because he is a no-name fighter. But I guess he would have to follow the mandate of WBA because Davies is their mandatory.

He can't choose an opponent if it's mandatory. He needs to fight the mandatory challenger instead of being greedy and going for big money. Eventually, his time will come. He needs to embark on the right journey and build his name, just like Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis did. The best fighter he'll fight next is Ryan Garcia, and if he wins, he will gain popularity and possibly have a chance to fight Davis if the latter allows it.

I think that's why mandatory are enforced, but we all know that sometimes, specially if the champion are great, not necessarily a mandatory will have a crack at the champion as he can choose whoever fighter he wants.

But in this case since his win is very controversial, then he should follow what the organization dictates as of now, otherwise he could be ordered for a rematch. And I don't think that Romero has the making of a great boxer to be honest, he is just pure trash talking and then he can't back up his talk.

He got no other options other than obeying his mandatory title defense against Ohara Davies because if he will not do it, he knows that he will be stripped of his title which he surely worked hard for. Rolly Romero should be patient about his current position as he isn't yet that kind of star who have the power to choose who will be his foe even if it will be under the guise of a mandatory fight, just like what other do.

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In case someone is interested in heavyweight boxing, then there are some interesting news - Oleksandr Usyk set to fight Daniel Dubois in Poland in August.

That is a bit confusing to read. Either this is a total fake, otherwise I cant explain why is he fighting Daniel Dubois, when there were negotiations about fighting Tyson Fury. With all respect to Dubois, but who he is? He seems to be on different level than Usyk. A regular WBA champion. Seems a decent achievement, but the word regular spoils everything Cheesy

Well, I am interested in Oleksandr Usyk's fight but I think this Daniel Dubois fight is surely Dubius for me it is viable Daniel Dubois is just 25 years old and still doesn't hit the level of his prime for sure this kid still has a long way ahead of him, but for sure Dubois only lost was against Joe Joyce, and it was a doctor stoppage if I am not mistaken it was a badly swollen of the eye of Dubois that got him that lost, but because his opponent is Oleksandr Usyk and a volume puncher that swollen eye lost could be repeated again,

But for sure Oleksandr Usyk is faster than Daniel Dubois, and counting Daniel Dubois out in this fight to be outperformed by Oleksandr Usyk is not really fair for Dubois I think this is the only Viable fight for Oleksandr Usyk because Tyson Fury has so many challenges awaits him so that fight could surely wait and Oleksandr Usyk would surely need a living, but let's see if Daniel Dubois can make a change to his style he is still young and still progressing,

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Quote from: btc_angela on June 01, 2023, 01:09:37 AM

I think that will be the better options for Rolly Romero now, of course a Ryan Garcia fight will be a block for him and his camp. Eventhough Ryan has lost his fight against Tank Davis, he is still one of the most bankable star and that's why everyone is still wanting to fight him including Romero.

But I guess WBA did him a favor here by ordering a Davies mandatory fight. Ohara is a solid 140 lbs and his name could be one of those who might reign in this division in the future. So it make sense for the WBA to order Romero and see how tough he is before calling out other 140 lbs fighters including Ryan (yes, I think Ryan will move up to 140 lbs in his next fight).

I'd say WBA really did him a favor because he will be stagnant if ever he will wait for Garcia until he is ready because we know that Garcia might have to lay low first in the next couple of months before having a fight for himself which I think will be a tune-up first, so a fight with this Ohara Davis will really make Romero more ready and busy, on the other hand, he might have some opportunities down the road if he continue to be active.

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However, Rolando Romero-Ohara Davies Mandatory 140-Pound Title Fight Ordered By WBA.

Initially he said that he doesn't want to face Ohara Davies because he is a no-name fighter. But I guess he would have to follow the mandate of WBA because Davies is their mandatory.

He can't choose an opponent if it's mandatory. He needs to fight the mandatory challenger instead of being greedy and going for big money. Eventually, his time will come. He needs to embark on the right journey and build his name, just like Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis did. The best fighter he'll fight next is Ryan Garcia, and if he wins, he will gain popularity and possibly have a chance to fight Davis if the latter allows it.

I think that's why mandatory are enforced, but we all know that sometimes, specially if the champion are great, not necessarily a mandatory will have a crack at the champion as he can choose whoever fighter he wants.

But in this case since his win is very controversial, then he should follow what the organization dictates as of now, otherwise he could be ordered for a rematch. And I don't think that Romero has the making of a great boxer to be honest, he is just pure trash talking and then he can't back up his talk.

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Quote from: Baofeng on May 31, 2023, 05:47:09 PM

However, Rolando Romero-Ohara Davies Mandatory 140-Pound Title Fight Ordered By WBA.

Initially he said that he doesn't want to face Ohara Davies because he is a no-name fighter. But I guess he would have to follow the mandate of WBA because Davies is their mandatory.

He can't choose an opponent if it's mandatory. He needs to fight the mandatory challenger instead of being greedy and going for big money. Eventually, his time will come. He needs to embark on the right journey and build his name, just like Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis did. The best fighter he'll fight next is Ryan Garcia, and if he wins, he will gain popularity and possibly have a chance to fight Davis if the latter allows it.

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Quote from: btc_angela on June 01, 2023, 01:09:37 AM

I think that will be the better options for Rolly Romero now, of course a Ryan Garcia fight will be a block for him and his camp. Eventhough Ryan has lost his fight against Tank Davis, he is still one of the most bankable star and that's why everyone is still wanting to fight him including Romero.

But I guess WBA did him a favor here by ordering a Davies mandatory fight. Ohara is a solid 140 lbs and his name could be one of those who might reign in this division in the future. So it make sense for the WBA to order Romero and see how tough he is before calling out other 140 lbs fighters including Ryan (yes, I think Ryan will move up to 140 lbs in his next fight).

Purely for money purposes. Rolly Romero and his camp might be thinking they could increase his value of him if he fights boxers that have big names when it comes to social media fans. That is why he is picking either Tank Davis or Ryan Garcia.
But he has to win it if they want to continue to be a money-making machine. I guess the expensive price in pay-per-view and tickets of Davis versus Garcia made them realize that they could also make tons of money just by fighting either one.
He is lucky because Ryan Garcia is ready to battle him but unlucky that WBA ordered him to fight a different boxer for now. That means 3-6 more months of waiting if ever he wins this match. Rest plus other stuff like contracts, venue, and promotions will take some time.

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I think that will be the better options for Rolly Romero now, of course a Ryan Garcia fight will be a block for him and his camp. Eventhough Ryan has lost his fight against Tank Davis, he is still one of the most bankable star and that's why everyone is still wanting to fight him including Romero.

But I guess WBA did him a favor here by ordering a Davies mandatory fight. Ohara is a solid 140 lbs and his name could be one of those who might reign in this division in the future. So it make sense for the WBA to order Romero and see how tough he is before calling out other 140 lbs fighters including Ryan (yes, I think Ryan will move up to 140 lbs in his next fight).

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This is still very early, but I'm sure that we have heard Rolly Romero calling out Ryan Garcia after his controversial win against Ismael Barroso to capture the vacant WBA 140 lbs title. And with that, Ryan already responded as says,

https://twitter.com/RyanGarcia/status/1662519299083493378

We've seen Ryan Garcia already back in the gym, this time and obviously everyone knows about it, he has move to Derrick James as his new trainer and trying to be a slick boxer, hehehehe. And if ever this fight would materialized, this one is good to be honest, both has power, both has been drained at 135 lbs when they fought Tank Davis, so at 140 lbs and fully rehydrated, there will be a lot of fireworks and power in this fight. We've seen that Rolly is vulnerable to left hook, while Ryan's weaknesses is his body. So very interesting clash of styles, so hopefully we can see this fight later this year if everyone is really on board on pushing this one.

I smell that Ryan Garcia is just bluffing. But in Romero's case, it makes sense since he might not be able to hold the belt against the real contenders of the division. Garcia just came from a KO defeat so it's like an easier defense but financially big. But unless I can hear from Oscar De La Hoya, Garcia is just talking so people would see that he is not scared of Romero. But maybe this is doable if Garcia is really, serious. Both seem weak in the division but very popular so it is beneficial for both of them. And Garcia may not be able to get another title shot if Romero losses the belt to someone really good.

But there's also the promotional and network that both camps need to address. It is obvious that Garcia is the bigger name so I wonder if PBC and Showtime will allow GBP and DAZN to the event so the fight will go on. Just like when GBP and DAZN allowed them during the Tank-Garcia fight.

Yeah, hehehe, that could be the case again and again, I' curious as how the fight will turn out to be, because we all know that they've the same style, Lol, that is no style and just rely on their power to finished off their opponents. But the money that this fight can generated, perhaps the numbers could be closed to the Haney vs Loma in terms of PPV numbers?

However, Rolando Romero-Ohara Davies Mandatory 140-Pound Title Fight Ordered By WBA.

Initially he said that he doesn't want to face Ohara Davies because he is a no-name fighter. But I guess he would have to follow the mandate of WBA because Davies is their mandatory.

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Quote from: Baofeng on May 29, 2023, 05:58:33 PM

This is still very early, but I'm sure that we have heard Rolly Romero calling out Ryan Garcia after his controversial win against Ismael Barroso to capture the vacant WBA 140 lbs title. And with that, Ryan already responded as says,

https://twitter.com/RyanGarcia/status/1662519299083493378

We've seen Ryan Garcia already back in the gym, this time and obviously everyone knows about it, he has move to Derrick James as his new trainer and trying to be a slick boxer, hehehehe. And if ever this fight would materialized, this one is good to be honest, both has power, both has been drained at 135 lbs when they fought Tank Davis, so at 140 lbs and fully rehydrated, there will be a lot of fireworks and power in this fight. We've seen that Rolly is vulnerable to left hook, while Ryan's weaknesses is his body. So very interesting clash of styles, so hopefully we can see this fight later this year if everyone is really on board on pushing this one.

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Rolando ‘Rolly’ Romero (15-1, 13 KOs) has been ordered by the WBA to defend his 140-lb title next against his mandatory Ohara Davies, which means that he’ll need to come up with a step aside if he wants to go ahead with his plans for a PPV clash against Ryan Garcia.

Source: WBA Orders Rolly Romero To Defend Against Ohara Davies Next - Boxing News 24 (https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/05/wba-orders-rolly-romero-to-defend-against-ohara-davies-next/)

I was about to say it's going to be a good fight but sh!t happens.
Well, all Romero should do is prove that he can really win games without controversies but now up against a different boxer. Ohara Davies. He won his last 7 fights and has now been given a chance to fight for the title.
I don't know what the referee has seen to stop the fight against Barroso but this time there should be no mistake or whatsoever. Barroso was obviously still fighting and Romero just keeps on pushing him making it look like he is falling down but I don't think that was a cue to stop the fight. He ain't injured, he is punching, he is defending, and no towel was thrown. The referee may have been blindsided by something that made him take the call to stop it.

I like the challenge of Ryan Garcia but he has to wait. I doubt it will still happen if Rolly is defeated by Ohara.

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Quote from: Distinctin on May 31, 2023, 01:51:20 PM

Returning a favor just like what is mentioned above are only happening in most fights where there is a rematch or if it is a trilogy which is very rare to happen these days.

So, if it is a different boxer within the same opposite camps, that same favor will probably not happen and will not be returned. In that case, they might have to come up with another idea without losing the advantage being on the A-side and knowing Al Haymon, that is definitely hard to do.

Sometimes a trilogy happens if both fighters are always clashing against each other without running until someone is down and the fans wanted to see such kinds of fight again and the promoters and the fighters will agree to it. Just like what we have seen with Manny Pacquiao and Erik Morales, one of the best trilogy in boxing ever. both are not afraid to throw punches and exchange huge power-fast punches against each other. Too bad for Morales Pacquiao improved a lot after every fight and he can't take his punches anymore in their 3rd fight.

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