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February 18, 2023, 04:43:24 AM
I agree, it is better for Magsayo to be slick, and quick and must launch a scoring punch rather than a knock-out punch.  This way he can compete against Vargas in scoring.  Besides not putting much of force on the punches can render him more mobile and quick.  He should know when to launch heavy knockout punches and the scoring punches.  Sadly, Magsayo is all brawn and not using his brain during the fight against Vargas.  

For sure Magsayo's camp is already aware of those problems. If ever given a chance again to face Vargas, those problems will surely be addressed. Let's also consider the fact that Magsayo isn't really outscored in the match as he won the one judge.


Surely Magsayo has learned a thing or two about Vargas's strength and his weakness especially recently when Foster revealed how to defeat Vargas, although I'm not sure that Magsayo can use that one because they have a different fighting style and Foster is quite slick, that is why Vargas failed in his attempt. This time, Magsayo should level up his game because he will get embarrassed for sure if he didn't learn something from their first encounter.

Magsayo stated the he expected to win that match but decided to respect the judge's decision. It means Magsayo didn't really being overwhelmed by Vargas' strength. Also new to Magsayo's experience fighting against a long reach and much taller compared to him.

Figueroa has the same specifications as Vargas with height advantage and long reach. Magsayo will use his experienced fighting Vargas in his fight against Figueroa.
One difference though is that Brandon is more of a brawler type of boxer, face first and are not afraid to engage his opponents in the middle of the ring or even in the corner. We have seen him in that Fulton fight wherein he narrowly lost.

And if Magsayo is looking for a rematch with Rey Vargas, and so is Figueroa against Fulton. Same mindset of Mark, he thinks he win and he disagree with the judges score. But he can't do anything for now. So this two are looking for a big win in their clash.

Both are in a same mission to take back their loss glory and if given a chance for sure they will really aim for another title fight, I like he idea that both of them will be aggressive and will do all the best that they can do to win the fight, the outcome of the fight is the entertainment to all the fans who are waiting for another great view when watching fighters inside the ring.

We will know or conclude if who will be the one that will earn that chance to move to another fight and chase for the belt.

This fight will be very unpredictable for sure. Although I'm obviously rooting for Mark Magsayo, if he performs the same way as he did in his last fight, then I won't be very hopeful that he can win this one. This is a redemption fight for him since he was once an undefeated fighter but suffered losses against Vargas. The way for him to climb back up is to start winning again.
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February 18, 2023, 04:39:36 AM
I agree, it is better for Magsayo to be slick, and quick and must launch a scoring punch rather than a knock-out punch.  This way he can compete against Vargas in scoring.  Besides not putting much of force on the punches can render him more mobile and quick.  He should know when to launch heavy knockout punches and the scoring punches.  Sadly, Magsayo is all brawn and not using his brain during the fight against Vargas.  

For sure Magsayo's camp is already aware of those problems. If ever given a chance again to face Vargas, those problems will surely be addressed. Let's also consider the fact that Magsayo isn't really outscored in the match as he won the one judge.


Surely Magsayo has learned a thing or two about Vargas's strength and his weakness especially recently when Foster revealed how to defeat Vargas, although I'm not sure that Magsayo can use that one because they have a different fighting style and Foster is quite slick, that is why Vargas failed in his attempt. This time, Magsayo should level up his game because he will get embarrassed for sure if he didn't learn something from their first encounter.

Magsayo stated the he expected to win that match but decided to respect the judge's decision. It means Magsayo didn't really being overwhelmed by Vargas' strength. Also new to Magsayo's experience fighting against a long reach and much taller compared to him.

Figueroa has the same specifications as Vargas with height advantage and long reach. Magsayo will use his experienced fighting Vargas in his fight against Figueroa.
One difference though is that Brandon is more of a brawler type of boxer, face first and are not afraid to engage his opponents in the middle of the ring or even in the corner. We have seen him in that Fulton fight wherein he narrowly lost.

And if Magsayo is looking for a rematch with Rey Vargas, and so is Figueroa against Fulton. Same mindset of Mark, he thinks he win and he disagree with the judges score. But he can't do anything for now. So this two are looking for a big win in their clash.

Both are in a same mission to take back their loss glory and if given a chance for sure they will really aim for another title fight, I like he idea that both of them will be aggressive and will do all the best that they can do to win the fight, the outcome of the fight is the entertainment to all the fans who are waiting for another great view when watching fighters inside the ring.

We will know or conclude if who will be the one that will earn that chance to move to another fight and chase for the belt.
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February 17, 2023, 11:39:57 PM
Another exciting match will come this weekend. The clash between Luis Nery against Azat Hovhannisyan at 122.

They just made their official weigh-in but Azat lacks only a few after weighing 121.6. Should not be a big deal though.

The winner of this match will be the mandatory challenger of who will win against Stephen Fulton and Naoya Inoue.

I haven't seen any of Azat Hovhannisyan but looking at his record, he is not an easy opponent and he also possess power. Luis Nery is a very good fighter, heavy handed, decent speed and tough chin but he is not invincible anymore in this division. In his fight with Brandon Figueroa, he was winning the early rounds and was hitting Figueroa with his power punches. But once Figueroa was able to figure out his game and was able to take those heavy power punches and deliver his own non-stop pressure, Nery succumbed and was stopped. This is Nery's chance to prove that he can still fight the best in this division or he should move back to his old division.
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February 17, 2023, 07:32:18 PM
I agree, it is better for Magsayo to be slick, and quick and must launch a scoring punch rather than a knock-out punch.  This way he can compete against Vargas in scoring.  Besides not putting much of force on the punches can render him more mobile and quick.  He should know when to launch heavy knockout punches and the scoring punches.  Sadly, Magsayo is all brawn and not using his brain during the fight against Vargas.  

For sure Magsayo's camp is already aware of those problems. If ever given a chance again to face Vargas, those problems will surely be addressed. Let's also consider the fact that Magsayo isn't really outscored in the match as he won the one judge.


Surely Magsayo has learned a thing or two about Vargas's strength and his weakness especially recently when Foster revealed how to defeat Vargas, although I'm not sure that Magsayo can use that one because they have a different fighting style and Foster is quite slick, that is why Vargas failed in his attempt. This time, Magsayo should level up his game because he will get embarrassed for sure if he didn't learn something from their first encounter.

Magsayo stated the he expected to win that match but decided to respect the judge's decision. It means Magsayo didn't really being overwhelmed by Vargas' strength. Also new to Magsayo's experience fighting against a long reach and much taller compared to him.

Figueroa has the same specifications as Vargas with height advantage and long reach. Magsayo will use his experienced fighting Vargas in his fight against Figueroa.
One difference though is that Brandon is more of a brawler type of boxer, face first and are not afraid to engage his opponents in the middle of the ring or even in the corner. We have seen him in that Fulton fight wherein he narrowly lost.

And if Magsayo is looking for a rematch with Rey Vargas, and so is Figueroa against Fulton. Same mindset of Mark, he thinks he win and he disagree with the judges score. But he can't do anything for now. So this two are looking for a big win in their clash.
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February 17, 2023, 06:59:13 PM
I agree, it is better for Magsayo to be slick, and quick and must launch a scoring punch rather than a knock-out punch.  This way he can compete against Vargas in scoring.  Besides not putting much of force on the punches can render him more mobile and quick.  He should know when to launch heavy knockout punches and the scoring punches.  Sadly, Magsayo is all brawn and not using his brain during the fight against Vargas.  

For sure Magsayo's camp is already aware of those problems. If ever given a chance again to face Vargas, those problems will surely be addressed. Let's also consider the fact that Magsayo isn't really outscored in the match as he won the one judge.


Surely Magsayo has learned a thing or two about Vargas's strength and his weakness especially recently when Foster revealed how to defeat Vargas, although I'm not sure that Magsayo can use that one because they have a different fighting style and Foster is quite slick, that is why Vargas failed in his attempt. This time, Magsayo should level up his game because he will get embarrassed for sure if he didn't learn something from their first encounter.

Magsayo stated the he expected to win that match but decided to respect the judge's decision. It means Magsayo didn't really being overwhelmed by Vargas' strength. Also new to Magsayo's experience fighting against a long reach and much taller compared to him.

Figueroa has the same specifications as Vargas with height advantage and long reach. Magsayo will use his experienced fighting Vargas in his fight against Figueroa.
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February 17, 2023, 06:46:09 PM
Another exciting match will come this weekend. The clash between Luis Nery against Azat Hovhannisyan at 122.

They just made their official weigh-in but Azat lacks only a few after weighing 121.6. Should not be a big deal though.

The winner of this match will be the mandatory challenger of who will win against Stephen Fulton and Naoya Inoue.
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February 17, 2023, 06:11:16 PM
Let see if he will win and start preparing for the title fight if, in case Vargas will negotiate right after Magsayo wins his fight.

Winning against Brandon Figueroa is Mark Magsayo's ticket for the rematch with Rey Vargas. No need for Vargas to negotiate as it will happen because the winner between Magsayo and Figueroa will be an interim champion and Vargas needs to defend his title.

Yes, it's inevitable, they might get their rematch if Mark Magsayo will win against a very tough opponent in Brandon Figueroa.

Just roughly 3 weeks of waiting and we will see the winner of that match.

And most likely they are really pushing themselves in the last 2 weeks of training, and then in the last week probably doing light trainings only so that they will not get burn out and just ready and prime for fight night.

I'm looking at our favorite crypto sport bookies and so far, no odds has been released yet.
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February 17, 2023, 05:59:15 PM
Let see if he will win and start preparing for the title fight if, in case Vargas will negotiate right after Magsayo wins his fight.

Winning against Brandon Figueroa is Mark Magsayo's ticket for the rematch with Rey Vargas. No need for Vargas to negotiate as it will happen because the winner between Magsayo and Figueroa will be an interim champion and Vargas needs to defend his title.

Let's talk about Magsayo vs Vargas later on once we see the winner of Magsayo vs Figueroa.

Just roughly 3 weeks of waiting and we will see the winner of that match.
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February 17, 2023, 03:20:55 PM
I agree, it is better for Magsayo to be slick, and quick and must launch a scoring punch rather than a knock-out punch.  This way he can compete against Vargas in scoring.  Besides not putting much of force on the punches can render him more mobile and quick.  He should know when to launch heavy knockout punches and the scoring punches.  Sadly, Magsayo is all brawn and not using his brain during the fight against Vargas.  

For sure Magsayo's camp is already aware of those problems. If ever given a chance again to face Vargas, those problems will surely be addressed. Let's also consider the fact that Magsayo isn't really outscored in the match as he won the one judge.


Surely Magsayo has learned a thing or two about Vargas's strength and his weakness especially recently when Foster revealed how to defeat Vargas, although I'm not sure that Magsayo can use that one because they have a different fighting style and Foster is quite slick, that is why Vargas failed in his attempt. This time, Magsayo should level up his game because he will get embarrassed for sure if he didn't learn something from their first encounter.

He need to adjust and learn from his past mistake, adding more on his stamina so he can last long with good breathing, unlike with that first encounter where he didn't manage to win the fight, but for now better to focus with his upcoming fight and think about Vargas after he succeed with these opportunities to come back.

Let see if he will win and start preparing for the title fight if, in case Vargas will negotiate right after Magsayo wins his fight.
It looks like magsayo can survive and will fight as best he can and I think there is a chance for him to win the fight because in some news I heard he has prepared everything and is really training quite well in terms of attack defense and stamina or breathing.
That way I'm sure at the meeting of the fight he can fight well enough and beat vargas and can continue the fight to be able to take the championship belt.
This fight is a good opportunity for magsayo so he will prove and give his best to win.
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February 17, 2023, 12:53:22 PM
I agree, it is better for Magsayo to be slick, and quick and must launch a scoring punch rather than a knock-out punch.  This way he can compete against Vargas in scoring.  Besides not putting much of force on the punches can render him more mobile and quick.  He should know when to launch heavy knockout punches and the scoring punches.  Sadly, Magsayo is all brawn and not using his brain during the fight against Vargas.  

For sure Magsayo's camp is already aware of those problems. If ever given a chance again to face Vargas, those problems will surely be addressed. Let's also consider the fact that Magsayo isn't really outscored in the match as he won the one judge.


Surely Magsayo has learned a thing or two about Vargas's strength and his weakness especially recently when Foster revealed how to defeat Vargas, although I'm not sure that Magsayo can use that one because they have a different fighting style and Foster is quite slick, that is why Vargas failed in his attempt. This time, Magsayo should level up his game because he will get embarrassed for sure if he didn't learn something from their first encounter.

He need to adjust and learn from his past mistake, adding more on his stamina so he can last long with good breathing, unlike with that first encounter where he didn't manage to win the fight, but for now better to focus with his upcoming fight and think about Vargas after he succeed with these opportunities to come back.

Let see if he will win and start preparing for the title fight if, in case Vargas will negotiate right after Magsayo wins his fight.

They will eventually get to that point if ever Magsayo will have a pretty performance and defeat Figueroa. The winner of this fight will determine who will challenge Vargas's belt and if ever he won't negotiate, there is a strong chance that the WBC might participate to get this bout done as I think Vargas is almost due for a mandatory fight. For now, let's just see first how will Magsayo play his card against Figueroa and wait for the outcome.
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February 17, 2023, 10:59:35 AM
today's fights even made me laugh, and they are fights in which there is a big difference in odds, it looks like they will be fights between professional fighters vs amateur fighters, just look at some examples:

Aloys Youmbi - Jiri Krejci

Aloys Youmbi = @1.02

Jiri Krejci = @17.00

Does anyone have the courage to bet on Jiri Krejci?

Mohamed, Adan-Rodriguez Jr, Francisco

Muhammad = @1.02

Rodriguez Jr = @17.00

Does anyone have the courage to bet on Rodriguez Jr?

I wonder how these guys' trainers feel when they see that their athlete isn't even given as someone who has at least a 40% chance of winning the fight, it looks like they don't even train

The odds are very attractive indeed, but we don't know who this two fighters are, so for me? I don't have the courage to bet on both of them. Book makers are good as what they are doing at, giving us that odds and so it doesn't make sense unless you personally know this two boxers.

For the trainers, it's the nature of their job, maybe they will try to do their best to train Rodriguez Jr.

But at the end of the day they lose the fight then there's nothing they can do about it.
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February 17, 2023, 09:48:39 AM
I agree, it is better for Magsayo to be slick, and quick and must launch a scoring punch rather than a knock-out punch.  This way he can compete against Vargas in scoring.  Besides not putting much of force on the punches can render him more mobile and quick.  He should know when to launch heavy knockout punches and the scoring punches.  Sadly, Magsayo is all brawn and not using his brain during the fight against Vargas.  

For sure Magsayo's camp is already aware of those problems. If ever given a chance again to face Vargas, those problems will surely be addressed. Let's also consider the fact that Magsayo isn't really outscored in the match as he won the one judge.


Surely Magsayo has learned a thing or two about Vargas's strength and his weakness especially recently when Foster revealed how to defeat Vargas, although I'm not sure that Magsayo can use that one because they have a different fighting style and Foster is quite slick, that is why Vargas failed in his attempt. This time, Magsayo should level up his game because he will get embarrassed for sure if he didn't learn something from their first encounter.

He need to adjust and learn from his past mistake, adding more on his stamina so he can last long with good breathing, unlike with that first encounter where he didn't manage to win the fight, but for now better to focus with his upcoming fight and think about Vargas after he succeed with these opportunities to come back.

Let see if he will win and start preparing for the title fight if, in case Vargas will negotiate right after Magsayo wins his fight.
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February 17, 2023, 08:01:57 AM
today's fights even made me laugh, and they are fights in which there is a big difference in odds, it looks like they will be fights between professional fighters vs amateur fighters, just look at some examples:

Aloys Youmbi - Jiri Krejci

Aloys Youmbi = @1.02

Jiri Krejci = @17.00

Does anyone have the courage to bet on Jiri Krejci?

Mohamed, Adan-Rodriguez Jr, Francisco

Muhammad = @1.02

Rodriguez Jr = @17.00

Does anyone have the courage to bet on Rodriguez Jr?

I wonder how these guys' trainers feel when they see that their athlete isn't even given as someone who has at least a 40% chance of winning the fight, it looks like they don't even train
That will be bigger in a parlay.  Cheesy Just kidding. On whose card is this? I don't how the odds ended up like this, it's like they are predicting these boxers are sandbags.
I just checked Stake.com and a lot of boxing fights later are heavy underdogs.
Just to make it clear that is not the Mexican Francisco Rodriguez Jr that has 37 wins. This is the one fighting Adan Mohamed.
https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/971058 - Francisco Luiz Rodriguez Martin
https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/981482 - Adan Mohamed
Upon checking the stats, yes it's just reasonable. Adan never lost yet and has 2 knockouts.

For the other bout, Jiri Krejci has 2 losses and 1 draw and Aloys Youmbi has 2 wins with 1 knockout.
Just bet for the knockouts, maybe it will be more profitable.
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February 17, 2023, 07:19:21 AM
today's fights even made me laugh, and they are fights in which there is a big difference in odds, it looks like they will be fights between professional fighters vs amateur fighters, just look at some examples:

Aloys Youmbi - Jiri Krejci

Aloys Youmbi = @1.02

Jiri Krejci = @17.00

Does anyone have the courage to bet on Jiri Krejci?

Mohamed, Adan-Rodriguez Jr, Francisco

Muhammad = @1.02

Rodriguez Jr = @17.00

Does anyone have the courage to bet on Rodriguez Jr?

I wonder how these guys' trainers feel when they see that their athlete isn't even given as someone who has at least a 40% chance of winning the fight, it looks like they don't even train
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February 17, 2023, 04:59:03 AM
I agree, it is better for Magsayo to be slick, and quick and must launch a scoring punch rather than a knock-out punch.  This way he can compete against Vargas in scoring.  Besides not putting much of force on the punches can render him more mobile and quick.  He should know when to launch heavy knockout punches and the scoring punches.  Sadly, Magsayo is all brawn and not using his brain during the fight against Vargas.  

For sure Magsayo's camp is already aware of those problems. If ever given a chance again to face Vargas, those problems will surely be addressed. Let's also consider the fact that Magsayo isn't really outscored in the match as he won the one judge.


Surely Magsayo has learned a thing or two about Vargas's strength and his weakness especially recently when Foster revealed how to defeat Vargas, although I'm not sure that Magsayo can use that one because they have a different fighting style and Foster is quite slick, that is why Vargas failed in his attempt. This time, Magsayo should level up his game because he will get embarrassed for sure if he didn't learn something from their first encounter.
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February 17, 2023, 03:08:42 AM
^^ I think Jack Catterall and Josh Taylor can still fight in the future if they are going to win their respective fight. And I think both has a tougher opponents, Teo Lopez might be a good test for Josh Taylor and even if he become the odds favorite, it will be close.

Prograis is a champion and so no easy fight for Jack Catterall. But I wouldn't be surprised if Regis won on a the judges scorecard against Jack here. I think Prograis has the tools to beat Catterall.

They can surely meet each other someday but the point is, Jack Catterall should have only the right to fight Josh Taylor next and no one else. Their first meeting is too close that it needs a rematch right away but the injury got it temporarily delayed. Jack is even willing to wait until Taylor is eligible to fight.

Because of the sudden turn of events, Jack now needs to face another challenge before having a fight again with Taylor.

The worst thing that can happen is, it's not even sure that Jack will face Taylor next, for let's say they have won both their respective fights.
Boxing politics I guess, when Taylor is injured, Jack should still be the priority when he comes back. But Bob Arum has other plans and they skipped the challenger all together and then inserted their own stable fighters in Teo Lopez.

Jack might be really feeling mad about the situation, but he can't do anything. So he decided to still chase another championship belt against Regis Prograis. And if by chance he won, they call out Josh Taylor for their rematch.
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February 17, 2023, 12:12:09 AM
I have never seen this posted in the gambling discussion but this event will be tomorrow and this is Leigh Wood against Mauricio Lara

Wood vs. Lara



Saturday 02.18.2023
Location: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire

WBA World Featherweight Title
MAIN EVENT

Leigh Wood VS Mauricio Lara

British Lightweight Title
CO-MAIN EVENT

Dalton Smith VS Billy Allington

MAIN CARD

Gary Cully VS Wilfredo Flores
Gamal Yafai VS Diego Alberto Ruiz
Kieron Conway VS Jorge Silva
Nico Leivars VS Alberto Motos
Junaid Bostan VS Peter Kramer
Cheavon Clarke VS Israel Duffus
Sam Maxwell VS Shaun Cooper
Aaron Bowen VS Mathieu Gomes

CANCELLED CARD

Cheavon Clarke VS Dec Spelman - Change to Israel Duffus
Solomon Dacres VS Emir Ahmatovic - Totally Cancelled

All information was from TAPOLOGY
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February 16, 2023, 06:58:52 PM
I agree, it is better for Magsayo to be slick, and quick and must launch a scoring punch rather than a knock-out punch.  This way he can compete against Vargas in scoring.  Besides not putting much of force on the punches can render him more mobile and quick.  He should know when to launch heavy knockout punches and the scoring punches.  Sadly, Magsayo is all brawn and not using his brain during the fight against Vargas.  

For sure Magsayo's camp is already aware of those problems. If ever given a chance again to face Vargas, those problems will surely be addressed. Let's also consider the fact that Magsayo isn't really outscored in the match as he won the one judge.

But before proceeding with that discussion related to the possible rematch of Vargas and Magsayo, he should win obviously first against Brandon Figueroa who is also considered by many analysts as a tough opponent even though he's new to the Featherweight and Magsayo will be his first challenge at that division.
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February 16, 2023, 06:08:19 PM
Right, and for those who haven't seen the fight, here are the highlights of the fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voIiJWRqSJk

As I have said, you can see how slick the style of Foster is, typical African-American stance made famous by Floyd, the Philly shell. And it's hard to crack it, only few boxers have known how to fight against that stance.

Yes, and again, with this lost by Vargas, it's more intriguing the Magsayo vs Figueroa outcome. And both have seen what happen to Vargas and they know that he will go down to their weight class to insert him name. Nevertheless he is the current champion so both will have no choice but to fight Vargas.
Foster has a same reach like Vargas, so Vargas can't use his reach advantage like when he was fight Magsayo. Magsayo is very hard to reach Vargas since his hand is shorter, Vargas can easily duck it. I think Vargas is to late to change his stance, he always got punched in his right face, until sixth or seventh round he's realized about that.

If Magsayo will have a rematch with Vargas, it's better for him to being more aggressive and quick rather than looking to knocking out Vargas.

I agree, it is better for Magsayo to be slick, and quick and must launch a scoring punch rather than a knock-out punch.  This way he can compete against Vargas in scoring.  Besides not putting much of force on the punches can render him more mobile and quick.  He should know when to launch heavy knockout punches and the scoring punches.  Sadly, Magsayo is all brawn and not using his brain during the fight against Vargas. 
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^^ I think Jack Catterall and Josh Taylor can still fight in the future if they are going to win their respective fight. And I think both has a tougher opponents, Teo Lopez might be a good test for Josh Taylor and even if he become the odds favorite, it will be close.

Prograis is a champion and so no easy fight for Jack Catterall. But I wouldn't be surprised if Regis won on a the judges scorecard against Jack here. I think Prograis has the tools to beat Catterall.

They can surely meet each other someday but the point is, Jack Catterall should have only the right to fight Josh Taylor next and no one else. Their first meeting is too close that it needs a rematch right away but the injury got it temporarily delayed. Jack is even willing to wait until Taylor is eligible to fight.

Because of the sudden turn of events, Jack now needs to face another challenge before having a fight again with Taylor.

The worst thing that can happen is, it's not even sure that Jack will face Taylor next, for let's say they have won both their respective fights.
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