Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 146. (Read 28883 times)

Can't really say that for sure because the time was not on their side in the first place and because of the pandemic and its ever growing variant, both camps decided to part ways and face another boxer that will be catered in their available timeline. Anyway, let's just put that behind and hope that someday in the future, their path will cross again because they are now in the same weight class again.

Just to give an update regarding Prograis vs Jose Ramirez, and it looks like the fight is not going to happen because Team Ramirez felt disrespected by the offer of 65-35 split in favor of Prograis,


https://www.boxingscene.com/ramirez-on-prograis-title-shot-pisses-me-off-im-being-thrown-under-bus--171400

Not sure why the WBC would have to decreed that purse split, Ramirez is a former 140 lbs, and then there is the boxing politics behind Top Rank not willing to work with Prograis promotional company Probellum.

Regardless of what Arum wanted, it looks like he is supportive of Inoue's plan of conquering the 122 lbs.  Just like what Arum stated the other day,  he thinks that no one will beat Inoue and expects Inoue to be able to unify the 122 division and be undisputed in the two different weight divisions. 



It looks like Casimero needs to rank up in order for him to be noticed and become a mandatory challenger for the 122 lbs title and possibly have a match with Inoue. 

I'm with you on that sentiment.

Naoya Inoue truly deserves to face a much tougher and stronger opponent rather than giving him a fight that just looks like a mere tune-up fight, I get what Bob Arum thinks but that is not what Inoue need and want. Facing Stephen Fulton directly will be a challenge to the super champion of course but I do think that Inoue can pretty much handle it and 122 pounds is not that far from bantamweight division, so I guess he won't have some struggles on this new weight class.

Casimero and Inoue is supposed to face each other on April 202o but due to pandemic the supposed face off between Casimero and Inoue was cancelled and never had a chance to reschedule until now.  After the fight was cancelled and the heat of provocation of Casimero (when he had the title) to have a fight against Inoue,  Inoue released a statement that he isn't interested to have a unification fight against Casimero[1].  Probably that was the reason why many Casimero fans thinks that Inoue is ducking casimero.  Then later when Casimero was stripped of the belt, Inoue decided to have a unification fight against Butler.

And now Bob Arum wanted Inoue to have a straight journey to title fight disregarding the ranking (probably influenced the WBO officials) by making Inoue WBO Super Champion.  What ever the reason it do look like Inoue is avoiding Casimero at all cost.

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[1] https://www.spin.ph/boxing/naoya-inoue-doesnt-want-anything-to-do-with-johnriel-casimero-a793-20211225

So there are fewer chances for it to happen.
If Naoya Inoue will defend his title twice or thrice against other boxers in the higher ranks then the Casimero fight for the title against him will be far, especially if after those defenses he suddenly decides to go up in the next weight. Well, I won't just expect it but I wish Bob Arum will be pushed to do it when fans are the ones craving for that event to happen.
I agree. Penalties, punishments, fine, or whatever they can think of just so no boxer would do the same. Make it a lesson in case someone is planning to do the same.
Boxing community is already soiled by exhibition matches with judges being one-sided. Make it straight again about how strict this sport is.

Yes, that will be the plan for him and his team this 2023 and for sure Arum is on board on this one because he believed that he had another Manny Pacquiao in his hands. And we all know that he was the main architect on the Manny's rise to fame and going up divisions after divisions claim the belt and then continue to go up. Also he is a business man so he want to maximize his cash cow but then limiting the risk of him losing. Fulton vs Inoue would be great start next year for this super bantamweight division.

Looking forward to see this to happen, I would love to see Inoue moving up and try chasing for another greatness, 122lbs is not that far from his current domination and if he will decide to move up, he can quickly adjust and that chance of beating the current title holder is not by far. The only thing that might impact his decision not to move up is Arum. He fully understands the business and he won't let his cash cow to be in the wrong position.

He will try everything to make sure that he will continue to collect more money and not just a onetime big time and after that he might
missed more if Inoue suffered a loss.

Hopefully, it will be Inoue's decision that will prevail in the end, not Arum. Because that's what Inoue wanted in his 122 lbs, against the champion in Stephen Fulton.

And maybe at the back of the mind of Arum, his cash cow could be damage, but as we have seen Inoue's rise to fame, he has improved a lot so it's going to be a good match and I think he has a equal chances against Fulton or any champion at 122 lbs.

So bring Inoue to fight any one them and chase for another greatness in the super bantamweight division.

And we are correct after all, he was just acting inside the ring, and what an act, he should have fought until he gets knockout by Casimero. But then again he doesn't want to get embarrassed, but it backfired on him as all the fans who are watching in the arena and around the world saw what really happen and then as you have said, the brandish Casimero could celebrate by he take it away. But I guess justice for John Riel has been served and he won by KO in the records. Now let's wait for their next move on who is their next fight, obviously Inoue is the next target but Casimero can fight anyone at 122 lbs and make a name in this division.

And Akaho should pay for the embarrassment he gave towards the boxing community because he robbed Casimero's chance to win on that very same day and celebrate afterwards but Ryo Akaho is quite wise to retire first before he was given some penalties as he knew that his career was already over the moment he faked what happened in the ring.

As for Inoue, Bob Arum wasn't the one who is pushing Inoue to fight against Fulton. Truth is, it's the other way around because Arum wanted a much safer journey where his cow, Inoue, can test the waters first before facing Stephen Fulton. It's the WBO who made a huge move and gave Inoue a bantamweight super-champion title where he will have the option to go directly to the champion and waste no more time going through the ranks.

Well, for the Koreans John Riel Casimero really humble himself in their country taking pictures of fans and signing autographs as the best he can do and give to his Korean fans, that I was really shocked that there are plenty, and realized the fight that has been organized in their soil, they need to move forward in taking the real culprit, I really think they want justice in what has to happen

Bob "The Builder"Arum really wants a cash cow and highly likely he has found that in Naoya Inoue right now they are really moving forward at a fast pace because right now they really need bigger names and Naoya Inoue really fits the bill in having an undisputed record that is more attractive to some boxing fans,


I want to see it as well but for now, it is really not going to happen if right now Naoya Inoue is focused on dominating another division, and right now and right now it is back up by a top promoter that wants his cash cow to be prioritized with a fight, which is they can surely do, I was really happy with Naoya Inoue but at the same time sad because we can not see an Inoue VS Casimero fight, but at the same time for Casimero focus in collecting another belt for the Philippines,

That's correct, but it should not be "f each other really wanted to push" because we know for the fact that Casimero will always be willing to fight Inoue, the only problem is Inoue seemed to be avoiding him which is uncharacteristic of a dominant champion. It's necessary that the fans will push this and want it badly to happen so promoter will give us this fight, for now, that's the only way I see to  at least increase the chance of this anticipated fight happening.

Yes, we do love to see that fight in the future, Casimero has been trash talking Inoue when they both have the belts at 118 lbs and probably could have face each other.

But chances are, they could still fight if each other really wanted to push, but this time it will be in the super bantamweight division. I don't think either will be at a disadvantage, both can still carry their power, so it's going to be very exciting and definitely, not going to last the full 12 rounds as both are knockout artist. John Riel will have to work his way to the rankings at super bantam, probably 2 fights more to bring himself in a title contention.
 

Yeah, I don't think that Inoue is ducking Casimero, actually if I'm not mistaken, Inoue is responding on Casimero provoking him of a fight and he says that he gladly wanted to fight Casimero. But hey, who wouldn't love to have a spa? 

Probably if Inoue got a belt on 122 lbs and Casimero do his thing by becoming a contender or the number 1 fighter in any world body, then for sure, Inoue would give Casimero that one chance. So let's see, next year should be big this 122 lbs.

I do love to see Casimero vs Inoue, actually, I am so annoyed of some Filipino boxing fans think that Inoue is docking Casimero.  I am quite embarrassed actually because Inoue had proven himself but Casimero shamed himself when he lost his belt on a spa. 

Nevertheless, it is quite annoying because it is embarrassing if Casimero kisses the canvas if ever the fight between them happens. I would prefer to just be quiet and request for Casimero Inoue to fight in a decent way.  But sadly, Inoue was made Super Champ, so he can fight for the world title directly on 122 lbs leaving Casimero behind the ranking.

Maybe the Korean boxing commission was really ashamed on what they see on the Japanese fighter and that's why a swift investigation and reversal of the decision. And Akaho admitted that it he was not really hit behind his head so that admission is enough for them to overturn.

I doubt that Casimero will get Inoue, it seems though that Bob Arum is pushing for Naoya to get an immediate title shot against Fulton.

Although it might hurt those in line, but Top Rank is powerful promotion and could do that to the boxing organizations to request that fight immediately. And it's a good match as well, fans are going to be happy if this fight is going to be made once Inoue moves up.

That is why I was really doubtful about posting this, it was not updated, and realized that Naoya Inoue is now the Undisputed Unified Bantamweight Champion I think many boxers will struggle in replicating what Inoue has achieved but pretty much it is possible, my thoughts on support from the government it should be but I guess Manny Pacquiao was not really funded by the government back then but he surely kicks ass back then, but surely the level of competition is surely higher now and if the government wants to have a belt in the boxing industry they should support newly bloomed boxers that are likely risking their lives in giving the country honor and giving food to their family, Well I have seen the updated Bantamweight Title belt champion




It seems he wants to conquer the world of boxing just like Manny Pacquiao did but this time in a more perfect fashion without any losses, well I have been a fan of Naoya Inoue because of this feat but for me, if the chance of a fight between Naoya Inoue and John Riel Casimero have come to terms I will surely support Casimero over him, In support for my fellow Filipino,
 

That Figures I thought that belt was not the one that was stripped to him but after seeing that Naoya Inoue has already Unified all the Belts because of Paul Butler well I really don't want to blame it on Butler because Naoya Inoue is a literal Monster judging from their fight taunting and humiliating Paul Butler that is one ass move to pull,

For me It is all John Riel Casimero's fault he let himself be stripped of the belt by doing things unnecessarily and the price to pay for giving an opportunity for Naoya Inoue to get his belt, it starts from that fault for the belt to be taken by Butler and to be taken by Inoue, but for me I still want Casimero to redeem himself from what have happen,

No doubt as well for Inoue, that man will continue to evolve as long as he will fight tough boxers and is destined to make a name in the boxing industry.

For Donaire, I've read that his fight against Jason Moloney is still pre-approved, right? I hope it will be official once Inoue climbs the next weight class. That will be a good exposure for the Filipino Flash and probably we will have another Filipino boxing champion again.

Despite on the lack of support, we still had champions before, so I guess that's not really a big hindrance. It's just that their time is over and IMO, their lose are very convincing, so there's no cheating whatsoever. If they want to be champion again, they need to come back strong next year, especially for Magsayo who is still young and has all the skills to improve to hold a belt again.