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but Inoue's camp is staying away from Casimero, that may ruin the Monster's Undisputed record.

No way Inoue's camp will stay away or avoid Casimero.

It's just reasonable for Inoue to ignore Casimero now because of some event that happened recently.

If Casimero wants Inoue to talk again, he should win against Butler first.

I think they consider Casimero as a threat, and we all know that Inoue's manager wants to protect his cash cow so we may have the impression that Inoue is avoiding Casimero. But I honestly think that Inoue wanted to fight Casimero it's that Bob Arum is the one trying to not make the fight happen and that is bad for us boxing fans.

However, they can't really avoid Casimero in the long run, sooner or later Inoue will run out of opponents and on the contrary it will back fire on him if he/they totally avoided Casimero in the future.

Casimero is always a threat as he always has the power like Inoue, if they'll allow Inoue to go toe to toe, then most likely the fight will end in KO, and Inoue could fall for the very first time in his career. Even if Bob thinks that Inoue could win, but if he is not 100% sure, then most likely that's risking his cash cow or investment, so they might consider a rematch with Donaire than Casimero.

Inoue has been treated like Crawford, they are under the same promotion and hopefully Inoue would reflect on what happened to Crawford that despite being an undefeated fight, he is still not getting big fights because fans are not so supportive of him compared ot the other boxers in the same division.

As per report, Crawford has not decided yet whether to renew his contract with Top Rank, so maybe he was thinking of ending his relationship with Arum and look for a new promoter that would give him a more challenging fights, and a chance to earn bigger money.

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but Inoue's camp is staying away from Casimero, that may ruin the Monster's Undisputed record.

No way Inoue's camp will stay away or avoid Casimero.

It's just reasonable for Inoue to ignore Casimero now because of some event that happened recently.

If Casimero wants Inoue to talk again, he should win against Butler first.

I think they consider Casimero as a threat, and we all know that Inoue's manager wants to protect his cash cow so we may have the impression that Inoue is avoiding Casimero. But I honestly think that Inoue wanted to fight Casimero it's that Bob Arum is the one trying to not make the fight happen and that is bad for us boxing fans.

However, they can't really avoid Casimero in the long run, sooner or later Inoue will run out of opponents and on the contrary it will back fire on him if he/they totally avoided Casimero in the future.

Casimero is always a threat as he always has the power like Inoue, if they'll allow Inoue to go toe to toe, then most likely the fight will end in KO, and Inoue could fall for the very first time in his career. Even if Bob thinks that Inoue could win, but if he is not 100% sure, then most likely that's risking his cash cow or investment, so they might consider a rematch with Donaire than Casimero.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on December 30, 2021, 03:10:13 PM

but Inoue's camp is staying away from Casimero, that may ruin the Monster's Undisputed record.

No way Inoue's camp will stay away or avoid Casimero.

It's just reasonable for Inoue to ignore Casimero now because of some event that happened recently.

If Casimero wants Inoue to talk again, he should win against Butler first.

I think they consider Casimero as a threat, and we all know that Inoue's manager wants to protect his cash cow so we may have the impression that Inoue is avoiding Casimero. But I honestly think that Inoue wanted to fight Casimero it's that Bob Arum is the one trying to not make the fight happen and that is bad for us boxing fans.

However, they can't really avoid Casimero in the long run, sooner or later Inoue will run out of opponents and on the contrary it will back fire on him if he/they totally avoided Casimero in the future.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on December 30, 2021, 03:10:13 PM

but Inoue's camp is staying away from Casimero, that may ruin the Monster's Undisputed record.

No way Inoue's camp will stay away or avoid Casimero.

It's just reasonable for Inoue to ignore Casimero now because of some event that happened recently.

If Casimero wants Inoue to talk again, he should win against Butler first.

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Let's talk about the potential Inoue vs Casimero fight after this fight, if Casimero will be successful, there's no other fight that would fit him than Inoue, so as a fan, we should expect that the mega-fight we are waiting for will happen and as what the odds suggest, Casimero is an underdog so I like that much.

We've been talking about that a lot this year, and it looks like we always believe that Casimero will win in every fight so he would have a chance to fight Inoue. Against Rigo, I thought that was a tough fight for Casimero but it doesn't look like a real competition as Rigo is just running around to score, unfortunately for him, he still loses the fight, but here, Butler is a warrior so these two warriors will go toe to toe which makes it interesting.

Style makes fights, and Rigo style doesn't suit Casimero that's why we didn't see his strength as a knock out artist. And others says that Casimero has a poor performance, but then again, Rigo doesn't want to engage so what can he do? As for a potential Inoue clash, all depends on the fight with Butler, as this is most likely to happen, Casimero should score a knock out, call Inoue again.

Exactly, Rigo is using his speed to try to win but good thing that the 2 of the judges favor Casimero that's why he won via split decision. It was a bad fight overall but at least it gives us a picture of how boring Rigo is and he doesn't deserve to be a champion with his fighting style.

And guess what, he is still not retiring despite his age and bad performance in the last fight.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on December 31, 2021, 10:40:25 AM

Quote from: Natalim on December 31, 2021, 09:29:46 AM

Let's talk about the potential Inoue vs Casimero fight after this fight, if Casimero will be successful, there's no other fight that would fit him than Inoue, so as a fan, we should expect that the mega-fight we are waiting for will happen and as what the odds suggest, Casimero is an underdog so I like that much.

We've been talking about that a lot this year, and it looks like we always believe that Casimero will win in every fight so he would have a chance to fight Inoue. Against Rigo, I thought that was a tough fight for Casimero but it doesn't look like a real competition as Rigo is just running around to score, unfortunately for him, he still loses the fight, but here, Butler is a warrior so these two warriors will go toe to toe which makes it interesting.

Style makes fights, and Rigo style doesn't suit Casimero that's why we didn't see his strength as a knock out artist. And others says that Casimero has a poor performance, but then again, Rigo doesn't want to engage so what can he do? As for a potential Inoue clash, all depends on the fight with Butler, as this is most likely to happen, Casimero should score a knock out, call Inoue again.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on December 31, 2021, 10:40:25 AM

Quote from: Natalim on December 31, 2021, 09:29:46 AM

Let's talk about the potential Inoue vs Casimero fight after this fight, if Casimero will be successful, there's no other fight that would fit him than Inoue, so as a fan, we should expect that the mega-fight we are waiting for will happen and as what the odds suggest, Casimero is an underdog so I like that much.

We've been talking about that a lot this year, and it looks like we always believe that Casimero will win in every fight so he would have a chance to fight Inoue. Against Rigo, I thought that was a tough fight for Casimero but it doesn't look like a real competition as Rigo is just running around to score, unfortunately for him, he still loses the fight, but here, Butler is a warrior so these two warriors will go toe to toe which makes it interesting.

That's just normal to talk about Casimero and Inoue because they are champions and as fans, we like to see a big fight which is a unification fight, so we also try to help push to make it happen, in terms of money, for sure this fight will gain a lot of money and Casimero is willing to take a lesser share of the slice just to make the fight happen.

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Quote from: Natalim on December 31, 2021, 09:29:46 AM

Let's talk about the potential Inoue vs Casimero fight after this fight, if Casimero will be successful, there's no other fight that would fit him than Inoue, so as a fan, we should expect that the mega-fight we are waiting for will happen and as what the odds suggest, Casimero is an underdog so I like that much.

We've been talking about that a lot this year, and it looks like we always believe that Casimero will win in every fight so he would have a chance to fight Inoue. Against Rigo, I thought that was a tough fight for Casimero but it doesn't look like a real competition as Rigo is just running around to score, unfortunately for him, he still loses the fight, but here, Butler is a warrior so these two warriors will go toe to toe which makes it interesting.

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I think the same, also if at that time it had been discovered that this diagnosis was false, it is something unforgivable both for him and for the medical union, because these doctors must be the best when it comes to establishing a good record in a sports career, many doctors want be there so they can give a verdict and have a good reputation, a career as difficult and dedicated as medicine can not be thrown overboard by simply being bought for a sum of money. In the same way, playing with the health of others is not something beautiful, I prefer to believe the doctor and think that if the boxer was sick.

I'm afraid if this accusation is true then this would not only be going to make the license of the doctor at risk but also the boxing career of Casimero would be at risk too. I have doubt that the said accusation was just made by a writer as a click bait to attract more readers and patronize his/her article. I also doubted that a professional doctor can do such thing and would put his license at risk and also I would doubt if the Casimero team will going invent a kind of sick just not to attend at the weigh-in.

I Agree! he is just spreading some issue regarding the matter, so just many would read his publication, but amidst this, I still believe in Casimero, he would not back down from a fight regarding who is his opponent, and Zolani Tete one of the boxers that stop Paul Butler from being undefeated was TKO'ed by John Riel Casimero in the 3rd round, in my opinion, he could surely beat Paul Butler that easily I think Casimero has the punching power to take down Butler if you look at Butlers record 33 Wins 2 Losses 15 wins by knockout and 18 by decision while John Riel Casimero has 31 Wins and 4 Losses but averaging from his wins 21 by knockout and 10 by the decision we can see that Casimero is a knockout artist still 31 years old and will surely beat any boxer to come, I still think that his target was Naoya Inoue, but Inoue's camp is staying away from Casimero, that may ruin the Monster's Undisputed record.

Let's talk about the potential Inoue vs Casimero fight after this fight, if Casimero will be successful, there's no other fight that would fit him than Inoue, so as a fan, we should expect that the mega-fight we are waiting for will happen and as what the odds suggest, Casimero is an underdog so I like that much.

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Quote from: molsewid on December 30, 2021, 10:03:31 AM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on December 30, 2021, 09:51:54 AM

I think the same, also if at that time it had been discovered that this diagnosis was false, it is something unforgivable both for him and for the medical union, because these doctors must be the best when it comes to establishing a good record in a sports career, many doctors want be there so they can give a verdict and have a good reputation, a career as difficult and dedicated as medicine can not be thrown overboard by simply being bought for a sum of money. In the same way, playing with the health of others is not something beautiful, I prefer to believe the doctor and think that if the boxer was sick.

I'm afraid if this accusation is true then this would not only be going to make the license of the doctor at risk but also the boxing career of Casimero would be at risk too. I have doubt that the said accusation was just made by a writer as a click bait to attract more readers and patronize his/her article. I also doubted that a professional doctor can do such thing and would put his license at risk and also I would doubt if the Casimero team will going invent a kind of sick just not to attend at the weigh-in.

I Agree! he is just spreading some issue regarding the matter, so just many would read his publication, but amidst this, I still believe in Casimero, he would not back down from a fight regarding who is his opponent, and Zolani Tete one of the boxers that stop Paul Butler from being undefeated was TKO'ed by John Riel Casimero in the 3rd round, in my opinion, he could surely beat Paul Butler that easily I think Casimero has the punching power to take down Butler if you look at Butlers record 33 Wins 2 Losses 15 wins by knockout and 18 by decision while John Riel Casimero has 31 Wins and 4 Losses but averaging from his wins 21 by knockout and 10 by the decision we can see that Casimero is a knockout artist still 31 years old and will surely beat any boxer to come, I still think that his target was Naoya Inoue, but Inoue's camp is staying away from Casimero, that may ruin the Monster's Undisputed record.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on December 30, 2021, 09:51:54 AM

I think the same, also if at that time it had been discovered that this diagnosis was false, it is something unforgivable both for him and for the medical union, because these doctors must be the best when it comes to establishing a good record in a sports career, many doctors want be there so they can give a verdict and have a good reputation, a career as difficult and dedicated as medicine can not be thrown overboard by simply being bought for a sum of money. In the same way, playing with the health of others is not something beautiful, I prefer to believe the doctor and think that if the boxer was sick.

I'm afraid if this accusation is true then this would not only be going to make the license of the doctor at risk but also the boxing career of Casimero would be at risk too. I have doubt that the said accusation was just made by a writer as a click bait to attract more readers and patronize his/her article. I also doubted that a professional doctor can do such thing and would put his license at risk and also I would doubt if the Casimero team will going invent a kind of sick just not to attend at the weigh-in.

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Revenue is just the 2nd thing, the first thing they consider is the validity of the reason and I'm pretty sure that the reason for Casimero is valid for them to allow him to keep his belt and just postpone the fight. We can hear rumors anywhere, writers are just too smart in selling their story and since Casimero is already popualr, many will certainly buy that kind of interesting story.

I'm also hoping that it's just the writer's way of selling his story but the way I look at it, there's some truth to what they have written.

Casimero has always had some issues with weight but with the brilliance of his former strength and conditioning coach Momo Heredia, they always get things done but since they have part ways already, he may have some problem conditioning his body and at the same time making the weight.

It's a big crime for the doctor who issued a medical certificate about his illness at that time if it's just all a lie, I don't think a professional would do it that it could put his license at risk. He made a successful weight-in in his previous fights the why would he miss in this particular fight? it doesn't make sense to me, so I would still believe that he was really sick that time.

I think the same, also if at that time it had been discovered that this diagnosis was false, it is something unforgivable both for him and for the medical union, because these doctors must be the best when it comes to establishing a good record in a sports career, many doctors want be there so they can give a verdict and have a good reputation, a career as difficult and dedicated as medicine can not be thrown overboard by simply being bought for a sum of money. In the same way, playing with the health of others is not something beautiful, I prefer to believe the doctor and think that if the boxer was sick.

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Quote from: Sanitough on December 30, 2021, 03:40:57 AM

Trash talking is just his style to attract the audience to his fight, it's not annoying at all IMO as I understand this is just for pure business and we don't know Casimero in real life so we cannot judge him. I noticed that he does not throw some trash talk now, I think he change under a new promoter, so probably it's his previous promoter who tells him to be a trash talker.

It's annoying if the trash talk is pure rubbish. I know it's about the market but a PH boxer doesn't have that kind of attitude. Prove it to the ring and not via trash talk. The way Casimero trash talk is a childish act especially those tirades he delivered to Naoya Inoue which is not a trash talker and a humble boxer.

If the opponent trashes him, that's the time he should react and not the other way around.

But still, it doesn't give me the reason not to support him. Casimero all the way until their match with Inoue happened.

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Quote from: Distinctin on December 29, 2021, 06:35:19 PM

He will surely focus because he can't afford to lose his belt in this fight, without his belt, he cannot challenge Inoue anymore as Inoue will not be interested in him, instead will fight Butler who beats him. he is lucky his belt was not stripped, so he should be more careful and train as hard as he can so he can deliver a good win.

He needs the media to bring his name up. If he wins this fight with an entertaining outcome, maybe he will also win the reward
of fighting Inoue.His medical condition might affect him both mentally and physically, but the mindset of a fighter will
always be there inside him.

Not him, but it's Butler that should train well. It's my own opinion since Casimero is the defending title holder and he is also has that reputation for orchestrating a knockout end.

But he is already making a name for himself before even without the media. And we really don't know who amongst in his team has push Casimero to become the trash talker that he become right now, I'm just curious because I have said, he has winning all over the world, but lately he transformed himself to be very arrogant and brandish.

But since the fight is back, and if he is fully healed then Casimero can defend his belt win and then call out Inoue again after the fight and it will be funny what will be his statement again though.

Trash talking is just his style to attract the audience to his fight, it's not annoying at all IMO as I understand this is just for pure business and we don't know Casimero in real life so we cannot judge him. I noticed that he does not throw some trash talk now, I think he change under a new promoter, so probably it's his previous promoter who tells him to be a trash talker.

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Quote from: Distinctin on December 29, 2021, 06:35:19 PM

He will surely focus because he can't afford to lose his belt in this fight, without his belt, he cannot challenge Inoue anymore as Inoue will not be interested in him, instead will fight Butler who beats him. he is lucky his belt was not stripped, so he should be more careful and train as hard as he can so he can deliver a good win.

He needs the media to bring his name up. If he wins this fight with an entertaining outcome, maybe he will also win the reward
of fighting Inoue.His medical condition might affect him both mentally and physically, but the mindset of a fighter will
always be there inside him.

Not him, but it's Butler that should train well. It's my own opinion since Casimero is the defending title holder and he is also has that reputation for orchestrating a knockout end.

But he is already making a name for himself before even without the media. And we really don't know who amongst in his team has push Casimero to become the trash talker that he become right now, I'm just curious because I have said, he has winning all over the world, but lately he transformed himself to be very arrogant and brandish.

But since the fight is back, and if he is fully healed then Casimero can defend his belt win and then call out Inoue again after the fight and it will be funny what will be his statement again though.

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Quote from: Distinctin on December 29, 2021, 06:35:19 PM

He will surely focus because he can't afford to lose his belt in this fight, without his belt, he cannot challenge Inoue anymore as Inoue will not be interested in him, instead will fight Butler who beats him. he is lucky his belt was not stripped, so he should be more careful and train as hard as he can so he can deliver a good win.

He needs the media to bring his name up. If he wins this fight with an entertaining outcome, maybe he will also win the reward
of fighting Inoue.His medical condition might affect him both mentally and physically, but the mindset of a fighter will
always be there inside him.

Not him, but it's Butler that should train well. It's my own opinion since Casimero is the defending title holder and he is also has that reputation for orchestrating a knockout end.

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Casimero would love to fight Inoue, he is calling Inoue consistently but it's just the camp of Inoue is not ready yet. If Casimero will beat Butler, then we will probably see a unification fight either a fight between Inoue/Donaire, or Inoue/Casimero... No more Casimero/Donaire because they are under one promotion company.

The boxing fans of Casimero also wanted to see this fight as much as Casimero wanted to end his likeness to have a battle with Inoue but as of now, I wanted Casimero to focus on his fight with Butler before he spend his energy thinking of fighting with Inoue. For now, I think that Donaire vs. Inoue rematch is in much clear vision than Casimero vs. Inoue, he needs to win this battle first as it was an ordered fight and need to defend his title, it's just good to know that he was given a chance to present his medical records and reschedule this fight than easily stripping his title belt.

We've been discussing from time to time the fight between Inoue and Casimero and until now it has not happened yet. It started with the announced fight between them but later cancelled due to the pandemic, and now that the pandemic is already controlled, I think it's about time to make it happen.

What it guess into the situation that their time hasn't yet to come and face each other. There are so many trash talks coming out from Casimero that give more intense and really it makes their fans make a real fight, not just through trash talking. However, their roads didn't just cross but instead, they are facing another opponent. But I think, it wasn't a need for Casimero to talk about, it rather focuses on his coming fight and help himself to win this as this might be the ticket to face against Inuoe.

He will surely focus because he can't afford to lose his belt in this fight, without his belt, he cannot challenge Inoue anymore as Inoue will not be interested in him, instead will fight Butler who beats him. he is lucky his belt was not stripped, so he should be more careful and train as hard as he can so he can deliver a good win.

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Quote from: mirakal on December 29, 2021, 09:20:49 AM

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Quote from: Kelvinid on December 29, 2021, 08:00:17 AM

Casimero would love to fight Inoue, he is calling Inoue consistently but it's just the camp of Inoue is not ready yet. If Casimero will beat Butler, then we will probably see a unification fight either a fight between Inoue/Donaire, or Inoue/Casimero... No more Casimero/Donaire because they are under one promotion company.

The boxing fans of Casimero also wanted to see this fight as much as Casimero wanted to end his likeness to have a battle with Inoue but as of now, I wanted Casimero to focus on his fight with Butler before he spend his energy thinking of fighting with Inoue. For now, I think that Donaire vs. Inoue rematch is in much clear vision than Casimero vs. Inoue, he needs to win this battle first as it was an ordered fight and need to defend his title, it's just good to know that he was given a chance to present his medical records and reschedule this fight than easily stripping his title belt.

We've been discussing from time to time the fight between Inoue and Casimero and until now it has not happened yet. It started with the announced fight between them but later cancelled due to the pandemic, and now that the pandemic is already controlled, I think it's about time to make it happen.

What it guess into the situation that their time hasn't yet to come and face each other. There are so many trash talks coming out from Casimero that give more intense and really it makes their fans make a real fight, not just through trash talking. However, their roads didn't just cross but instead, they are facing another opponent. But I think, it wasn't a need for Casimero to talk about, it rather focuses on his coming fight and help himself to win this as this might be the ticket to face against Inuoe.

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Quote from: molsewid on December 29, 2021, 09:12:40 AM

Quote from: Kelvinid on December 29, 2021, 08:00:17 AM

Casimero would love to fight Inoue, he is calling Inoue consistently but it's just the camp of Inoue is not ready yet. If Casimero will beat Butler, then we will probably see a unification fight either a fight between Inoue/Donaire, or Inoue/Casimero... No more Casimero/Donaire because they are under one promotion company.

The boxing fans of Casimero also wanted to see this fight as much as Casimero wanted to end his likeness to have a battle with Inoue but as of now, I wanted Casimero to focus on his fight with Butler before he spend his energy thinking of fighting with Inoue. For now, I think that Donaire vs. Inoue rematch is in much clear vision than Casimero vs. Inoue, he needs to win this battle first as it was an ordered fight and need to defend his title, it's just good to know that he was given a chance to present his medical records and reschedule this fight than easily stripping his title belt.

We've been discussing from time to time the fight between Inoue and Casimero and until now it has not happened yet. It started with the announced fight between them but later cancelled due to the pandemic, and now that the pandemic is already controlled, I think it's about time to make it happen.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on December 29, 2021, 08:00:17 AM

Casimero would love to fight Inoue, he is calling Inoue consistently but it's just the camp of Inoue is not ready yet. If Casimero will beat Butler, then we will probably see a unification fight either a fight between Inoue/Donaire, or Inoue/Casimero... No more Casimero/Donaire because they are under one promotion company.

The boxing fans of Casimero also wanted to see this fight as much as Casimero wanted to end his likeness to have a battle with Inoue but as of now, I wanted Casimero to focus on his fight with Butler before he spend his energy thinking of fighting with Inoue. For now, I think that Donaire vs. Inoue rematch is in much clear vision than Casimero vs. Inoue, he needs to win this battle first as it was an ordered fight and need to defend his title, it's just good to know that he was given a chance to present his medical records and reschedule this fight than easily stripping his title belt.

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