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Quote from: bisdak40 on December 26, 2021, 04:10:58 AM

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Of course Butler would really a big fish and he would just simply deal off with postponement rather than replacement.

And he made the right decision because the belt of Casimero wasn't stripped anyway, and if he fought the replacement, he still has to fight Casimero again for the championship fight, it's gonna be a double effort on Butler and there's no assurance that he would win against the replacement.

Smart move by him, and the organization for not stripping the belt from the champion.

I would say that it is a good decision by the WBO of not stripping Casimero the belt because Casimero is a bigger name than Butler and the could generate money if ever there is a unification bout between Casimero and Inoue/Donaire as the hype is already there.

This time it is the turn of Casimero to put on the work and be at weight during fight time, hope the rumors of him not getting the weight is just fake news.

Rumors on not getting the weight? There would be always those haters tending to be that negative but well there's always those kind of probabilities but of course they do know on what they are doing.

Speaking of that organizations decision then of course they would really be always minding about revenue and they couldnt really just make out those opportunities do pass by.
thats why these kind of decisions would or should be followed but this one isnt really that obvious though but somewhat this make things more interesting.

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Quote from: Russlenat on December 26, 2021, 08:18:49 AM

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Quote from: Russlenat on December 25, 2021, 04:17:13 PM

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Of course Butler would really a big fish and he would just simply deal off with postponement rather than replacement.

And he made the right decision because the belt of Casimero wasn't stripped anyway, and if he fought the replacement, he still has to fight Casimero again for the championship fight, it's gonna be a double effort on Butler and there's no assurance that he would win against the replacement.

Smart move by him, and the organization for not stripping the belt from the champion.

I would say that it is a good decision by the WBO of not stripping Casimero the belt because Casimero is a bigger name than Butler and the could generate money if ever there is a unification bout between Casimero and Inoue/Donaire as the hype is already there.

This time it is the turn of Casimero to put on the work and be at weight during fight time, hope the rumors of him not getting the weight is just fake news.

I believe that, the real reason why he didn't make to fight butler because he was sick, if he did not tell the truth, he would be penalized and his belt will be stripped but it didn't happen because his reason is valid and he was given a chance to make this fight happen. Casimero has a big dream to fight Inoue but there's a hindrance that he has to finish first and that is Butler. Donaire has done his job against his fellow Filipino boxer, it's time for Casimero to do his.

He should need to settle up things if he really wants to fight Inoue and its a good call that the fight is rather been postponed than his belt would be stripped out and its just normal for Butler to wait up

rather than on fighting a replacement and he knows that Casimero is a worthy one to beat up because he knows the belt is on there. Any boxer would really have the same mindset or common goal.

Now is that we do have that waiting game because after this fight if Casimero would able to beat up Butler then Inoue would be next in line.

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Quote from: Russlenat on December 25, 2021, 04:17:13 PM

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Of course Butler would really a big fish and he would just simply deal off with postponement rather than replacement.

And he made the right decision because the belt of Casimero wasn't stripped anyway, and if he fought the replacement, he still has to fight Casimero again for the championship fight, it's gonna be a double effort on Butler and there's no assurance that he would win against the replacement.

Smart move by him, and the organization for not stripping the belt from the champion.

I would say that it is a good decision by the WBO of not stripping Casimero the belt because Casimero is a bigger name than Butler and the could generate money if ever there is a unification bout between Casimero and Inoue/Donaire as the hype is already there.

This time it is the turn of Casimero to put on the work and be at weight during fight time, hope the rumors of him not getting the weight is just fake news.

I believe that, the real reason why he didn't make to fight butler because he was sick, if he did not tell the truth, he would be penalized and his belt will be stripped but it didn't happen because his reason is valid and he was given a chance to make this fight happen. Casimero has a big dream to fight Inoue but there's a hindrance that he has to finish first and that is Butler. Donaire has done his job against his fellow Filipino boxer, it's time for Casimero to do his.

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 26, 2021, 07:24:18 AM

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We will eventually see the fight between Casimero and Inoue since both fighters will likely stay on their current weight division and as they beat each other opponents, they leave no choice but to finally step on the ring to fight each other. They really need to make it happen since they want total glory and the fans wanted them to prove who is the best in this era. I think this is enough for Casimero because he already took down lots of opponents to catch the big fish, Inoue. They really need to consider making it happen before those passed their primes.

Hopefully, I heard news that Casimero is having a hard time getting into the scale with this current weight. So I'm thinking he is really getting bigger and heavier as he age so we don't know how long will he stay in this weight class to wait either Donaire or Inoue for a mega fight.

I remember him calling out the champions in higher weight class as well so that is the sign that he is willing to go up in weight and might not be comfortable in the bantam.

If money talks then maybe Casimero will have enough time to wait and fight either one of them.

Plus, the WBO champion in the next weight class Stephen Fulton might be too big for him.

So I think the money fight is still him and Inoue or Donaire. Might be better if he can unify the belt in the bantamweight before he can go up in weight.

Casimero is professional, I'm sure he will not miss the opportunity to fight against Inoue as he wanted to be a unified champion in the division where he is a current champion. I don't believe he is struggling maintening the weight, he does the right training and their team has the staff to ensure that he get the weight requirement in this division.

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Quote from: Jating on December 26, 2021, 07:19:40 AM

Quote from: yazher on December 26, 2021, 06:19:31 AM

We will eventually see the fight between Casimero and Inoue since both fighters will likely stay on their current weight division and as they beat each other opponents, they leave no choice but to finally step on the ring to fight each other. They really need to make it happen since they want total glory and the fans wanted them to prove who is the best in this era. I think this is enough for Casimero because he already took down lots of opponents to catch the big fish, Inoue. They really need to consider making it happen before those passed their primes.

Hopefully, I heard news that Casimero is having a hard time getting into the scale with this current weight. So I'm thinking he is really getting bigger and heavier as he age so we don't know how long will he stay in this weight class to wait either Donaire or Inoue for a mega fight.

I remember him calling out the champions in higher weight class as well so that is the sign that he is willing to go up in weight and might not be comfortable in the bantam.

If money talks then maybe Casimero will have enough time to wait and fight either one of them.

Plus, the WBO champion in the next weight class Stephen Fulton might be too big for him.

So I think the money fight is still him and Inoue or Donaire. Might be better if he can unify the belt in the bantamweight before he can go up in weight.

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Quote from: yazher on December 26, 2021, 06:19:31 AM

We will eventually see the fight between Casimero and Inoue since both fighters will likely stay on their current weight division and as they beat each other opponents, they leave no choice but to finally step on the ring to fight each other. They really need to make it happen since they want total glory and the fans wanted them to prove who is the best in this era. I think this is enough for Casimero because he already took down lots of opponents to catch the big fish, Inoue. They really need to consider making it happen before those passed their primes.

Hopefully, I heard news that Casimero is having a hard time getting into the scale with this current weight. So I'm thinking he is really getting bigger and heavier as he age so we don't know how long will he stay in this weight class to wait either Donaire or Inoue for a mega fight.

I remember him calling out the champions in higher weight class as well so that is the sign that he is willing to go up in weight and might not be comfortable in the bantam.

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We will eventually see the fight between Casimero and Inoue since both fighters will likely stay on their current weight division and as they beat each other opponents, they leave no choice but to finally step on the ring to fight each other. They really need to make it happen since they want total glory and the fans wanted them to prove who is the best in this era. I think this is enough for Casimero because he already took down lots of opponents to catch the big fish, Inoue. They really need to consider making it happen before those passed their primes.

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I would say that it is a good decision by the WBO of not stripping Casimero the belt because Casimero is a bigger name than Butler and the could generate money if ever there is a unification bout between Casimero and Inoue/Donaire as the hype is already there.

This time it is the turn of Casimero to put on the work and be at weight during fight time, hope the rumors of him not getting the weight is just fake news.

It's a fair action that WBO has approached on this case because instead of being easily stripped off the belt and title of Casimero they give a good chance for a fighter to present valid proof of his absence during their weigh-in. I think it would still be great to push through the Butler vs. Casimero and yeah if ever everyone was rooting for Casimero to win the fight because boxing fans wanted to see Casimero vs. Inoue, however, Donaire vs. Inoue are the hyped upcoming fight for now and mostly the anticipated fight next year.

Exactly, WBO is fair on their decision and just get on the facts as to why their champion wasn't able to fight on the said schedule date. And he has a valid reasons, so easy decision for the governing body to not stripped Casimero and maybe we will see him finally fight Butler next year. Winner gets Donaire first and then Inoue for unification.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on December 26, 2021, 04:10:58 AM

I would say that it is a good decision by the WBO of not stripping Casimero the belt because Casimero is a bigger name than Butler and the could generate money if ever there is a unification bout between Casimero and Inoue/Donaire as the hype is already there.

This time it is the turn of Casimero to put on the work and be at weight during fight time, hope the rumors of him not getting the weight is just fake news.

It's a fair action that WBO has approached on this case because instead of being easily stripped off the belt and title of Casimero they give a good chance for a fighter to present valid proof of his absence during their weigh-in. I think it would still be great to push through the Butler vs. Casimero and yeah if ever everyone was rooting for Casimero to win the fight because boxing fans wanted to see Casimero vs. Inoue, however, Donaire vs. Inoue are the hyped upcoming fight for now and mostly the anticipated fight next year.

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Quote from: Russlenat on December 25, 2021, 04:17:13 PM

Quote from: Hamphser on December 25, 2021, 03:51:13 PM

Of course Butler would really a big fish and he would just simply deal off with postponement rather than replacement.

And he made the right decision because the belt of Casimero wasn't stripped anyway, and if he fought the replacement, he still has to fight Casimero again for the championship fight, it's gonna be a double effort on Butler and there's no assurance that he would win against the replacement.

Smart move by him, and the organization for not stripping the belt from the champion.

I would say that it is a good decision by the WBO of not stripping Casimero the belt because Casimero is a bigger name than Butler and the could generate money if ever there is a unification bout between Casimero and Inoue/Donaire as the hype is already there.

This time it is the turn of Casimero to put on the work and be at weight during fight time, hope the rumors of him not getting the weight is just fake news.

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Quote from: sunsilk on December 25, 2021, 06:47:28 PM

Quote from: Hamphser on December 25, 2021, 05:44:18 PM

Just make this fight happen and ever Casimero would win this one then he should aim for Inoue next on line.

Yeah, this match has been the middle ground and delayed the fight of Casimero for Inoue. It's what we want and this match should just happen and end. But good to know that the belt is still with Casimero.

I guess we're going to see the next development on this case. But they should listen to the voice of the people on which match we want to see for Casimero and that's with Inoue. There go the others too that wants to see him fight Donaire.

Butler first, then the rest will depend once Casimero wins the fight.

Both names are there in terms of this division, both Inoue and Donaire is a good one for Casimero just need to hype
his name up to bring pressure to both Inoue and Donaire's camp.

Looking forward to see what possible outcome Casimero will do with Butler, a toe to toe exchanging of punches will
be more interesting and entertaining..

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Quote from: sunsilk on December 25, 2021, 06:47:28 PM

Quote from: Hamphser on December 25, 2021, 05:44:18 PM

Just make this fight happen and ever Casimero would win this one then he should aim for Inoue next on line.

Yeah, this match has been the middle ground and delayed the fight of Casimero for Inoue. It's what we want and this match should just happen and end. But good to know that the belt is still with Casimero.

I guess we're going to see the next development on this case. But they should listen to the voice of the people on which match we want to see for Casimero and that's with Inoue. There go the others too that wants to see him fight Donaire.

It's really up to Casimero, if he insists to his manager to get Inoue at all cost then maybe they can negotiate with Bob to seal the fight. However, if Bob says no as he wanted to milk Inoue more then we won't see the fight. Of course this is want we wanted to see, but boxing is business so it will make sense for boxing managers to seek more lucrative money fights instead of unification. Although in the end it will be inevitable as they are the champions in this divisions.

On the contrary, if they are looking for big money as this is business, would it make sense to match Inoue vs Casimero as there are hype around it?

And for sure regardless of the venues, boxing fans are going to watch it, even if it is going to be held in Japan or in the US. This is one of the most anticipated fight in the lower division and not Donaire vs Inoue.

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Quote from: sunsilk on December 25, 2021, 06:47:28 PM

Quote from: Hamphser on December 25, 2021, 05:44:18 PM

Just make this fight happen and ever Casimero would win this one then he should aim for Inoue next on line.

Yeah, this match has been the middle ground and delayed the fight of Casimero for Inoue. It's what we want and this match should just happen and end. But good to know that the belt is still with Casimero.

I guess we're going to see the next development on this case. But they should listen to the voice of the people on which match we want to see for Casimero and that's with Inoue. There go the others too that wants to see him fight Donaire.

It's really up to Casimero, if he insists to his manager to get Inoue at all cost then maybe they can negotiate with Bob to seal the fight. However, if Bob says no as he wanted to milk Inoue more then we won't see the fight. Of course this is want we wanted to see, but boxing is business so it will make sense for boxing managers to seek more lucrative money fights instead of unification. Although in the end it will be inevitable as they are the champions in this divisions.

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Quote from: Hamphser on December 25, 2021, 05:44:18 PM

Just make this fight happen and ever Casimero would win this one then he should aim for Inoue next on line.

Yeah, this match has been the middle ground and delayed the fight of Casimero for Inoue. It's what we want and this match should just happen and end. But good to know that the belt is still with Casimero.

I guess we're going to see the next development on this case. But they should listen to the voice of the people on which match we want to see for Casimero and that's with Inoue. There go the others too that wants to see him fight Donaire.

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Quote from: Russlenat on December 25, 2021, 04:17:13 PM

Quote from: Hamphser on December 25, 2021, 03:51:13 PM

Of course Butler would really a big fish and he would just simply deal off with postponement rather than replacement.

And he made the right decision because the belt of Casimero wasn't stripped anyway, and if he fought the replacement, he still has to fight Casimero again for the championship fight, it's gonna be a double effort on Butler and there's no assurance that he would win against the replacement.

Smart move by him, and the organization for not stripping the belt from the champion.

Double effort indeed and dealing with postponement wont really be that hard decision since days or time flies away too fast and and this would really be beneficial since they could
really make out more training on that time which it wouldnt really be a waste for their waiting time but we know that boxers arent getting younger which means
that every years passing will really take some toll but well its part of the reality.

Just make this fight happen and ever Casimero would win this one then he should aim for Inoue next on line.

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Quote from: Russlenat on December 25, 2021, 04:17:13 PM

Quote from: Hamphser on December 25, 2021, 03:51:13 PM

Of course Butler would really a big fish and he would just simply deal off with postponement rather than replacement.

And he made the right decision because the belt of Casimero wasn't stripped anyway, and if he fought the replacement, he still has to fight Casimero again for the championship fight, it's gonna be a double effort on Butler and there's no assurance that he would win against the replacement.

Smart move by him, and the organization for not stripping the belt from the champion.

This is what happens to Manny before against Ugas (and lose the fight). But Butler has no choice, he needs to fight as it was scheduled with the new fighter, not Casimero. If ever he wins, that is something good but not earning the belt.

While the belt is still in Casimero, that will urge him to have a fast recovery. I don't know until when he will hold it but probably once the next fight schedule will be postponed again, I think he gonna lose it on his hand.

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Quote from: Hamphser on December 25, 2021, 03:51:13 PM

Of course Butler would really a big fish and he would just simply deal off with postponement rather than replacement.

And he made the right decision because the belt of Casimero wasn't stripped anyway, and if he fought the replacement, he still has to fight Casimero again for the championship fight, it's gonna be a double effort on Butler and there's no assurance that he would win against the replacement.

Smart move by him, and the organization for not stripping the belt from the champion.

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That's a great news @Baofeng, this fight will happen for sure next year and we will see Casimero again as a champion. Previously, we are talking of Inoue vs Donaire fight only, but with this development, there's a big chance that the Inoue vs Casimero will happen first as long as Casimero will win this one.

^ That is if Casimero will win this fight, the chances of winning of Butler it seems not far beyond and I think, he could take advantage of Casimero's weakness since I don't think if Casimero has been fully recovered of his sickness. I don't think Casimero will fully be recovered on that day or we are expecting an excuse from him. If he will lucky and able to win this match against Butler, then there would be Inoue vs Casimero fight.
The thing that I don't like is Casimero because of his trash talk which is I don't want to place a bet with him.

If this is Covid-19 infection, then I would agree with your premise that Butler should take advantage because Casimero is weaken by the virus. But this is a different illness that hits Casimero and I doubt that he will be affected by it. And yeah, if he thinks that he can't go and fight 100% then he will definitely not go with the Butler match. So regardless of his trash talking, his chances to win against Butler is still very good in my opinion.

I also think that it's not related to covid,

once the doctors give the green sign and Casimero start to workout the chance of winning still good for him.

Knowing how Casimero and how tough he is once he takes the challenge personally, the threat of butler will be a good inspiration to him
We will wait till we see them both inside the ring and showcase all their skills and talents.

He can start training next year and start the year with a win. I'm hoping to see a fight between Inoue and a Filipino champion, it's either Casimero or Donaire because that's gonna be a big fight and we will see how Inoue will be tested on his toughness.

Butler was right to refuse the replacement, he want a big fish, then his wish was granted as this fight is not cancelled, only postponed.

Lots of fight had been postponed due to that new variant which it isnt something surprising and this would really make their training time or duration would be longer and that would be at least some advantageous stuff

For facing up Inoue then i would really consider those both Filipino boxers could neither face him up on next years but for Casimero fighting Butler then this one wont really be an easy fight for Casimero for sure.

Of course Butler would really a big fish and he would just simply deal off with postponement rather than replacement.

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That's a great news @Baofeng, this fight will happen for sure next year and we will see Casimero again as a champion. Previously, we are talking of Inoue vs Donaire fight only, but with this development, there's a big chance that the Inoue vs Casimero will happen first as long as Casimero will win this one.

^ That is if Casimero will win this fight, the chances of winning of Butler it seems not far beyond and I think, he could take advantage of Casimero's weakness since I don't think if Casimero has been fully recovered of his sickness. I don't think Casimero will fully be recovered on that day or we are expecting an excuse from him. If he will lucky and able to win this match against Butler, then there would be Inoue vs Casimero fight.
The thing that I don't like is Casimero because of his trash talk which is I don't want to place a bet with him.

If this is Covid-19 infection, then I would agree with your premise that Butler should take advantage because Casimero is weaken by the virus. But this is a different illness that hits Casimero and I doubt that he will be affected by it. And yeah, if he thinks that he can't go and fight 100% then he will definitely not go with the Butler match. So regardless of his trash talking, his chances to win against Butler is still very good in my opinion.

I also think that it's not related to covid,

once the doctors give the green sign and Casimero start to workout the chance of winning still good for him.

Knowing how Casimero and how tough he is once he takes the challenge personally, the threat of butler will be a good inspiration to him
We will wait till we see them both inside the ring and showcase all their skills and talents.

He can start training next year and start the year with a win. I'm hoping to see a fight between Inoue and a Filipino champion, it's either Casimero or Donaire because that's gonna be a big fight and we will see how Inoue will be tested on his toughness.

Butler was right to refuse the replacement, he want a big fish, then his wish was granted as this fight is not cancelled, only postponed.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on December 25, 2021, 05:02:56 AM

That's a great news @Baofeng, this fight will happen for sure next year and we will see Casimero again as a champion. Previously, we are talking of Inoue vs Donaire fight only, but with this development, there's a big chance that the Inoue vs Casimero will happen first as long as Casimero will win this one.

^ That is if Casimero will win this fight, the chances of winning of Butler it seems not far beyond and I think, he could take advantage of Casimero's weakness since I don't think if Casimero has been fully recovered of his sickness. I don't think Casimero will fully be recovered on that day or we are expecting an excuse from him. If he will lucky and able to win this match against Butler, then there would be Inoue vs Casimero fight.
The thing that I don't like is Casimero because of his trash talk which is I don't want to place a bet with him.

If this is Covid-19 infection, then I would agree with your premise that Butler should take advantage because Casimero is weaken by the virus. But this is a different illness that hits Casimero and I doubt that he will be affected by it. And yeah, if he thinks that he can't go and fight 100% then he will definitely not go with the Butler match. So regardless of his trash talking, his chances to win against Butler is still very good in my opinion.

I also think that it's not related to covid,

once the doctors give the green sign and Casimero start to workout the chance of winning still good for him.

Knowing how Casimero and how tough he is once he takes the challenge personally, the threat of butler will be a good inspiration to him
We will wait till we see them both inside the ring and showcase all their skills and talents.

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