[Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight. - page 70.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 25, 2021, 07:22:54 AM

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on December 25, 2021, 06:02:56 AM

That's a great news @Baofeng, this fight will happen for sure next year and we will see Casimero again as a champion. Previously, we are talking of Inoue vs Donaire fight only, but with this development, there's a big chance that the Inoue vs Casimero will happen first as long as Casimero will win this one.

^ That is if Casimero will win this fight, the chances of winning of Butler it seems not far beyond and I think, he could take advantage of Casimero's weakness since I don't think if Casimero has been fully recovered of his sickness. I don't think Casimero will fully be recovered on that day or we are expecting an excuse from him. If he will lucky and able to win this match against Butler, then there would be Inoue vs Casimero fight.
The thing that I don't like is Casimero because of his trash talk which is I don't want to place a bet with him.

If this is Covid-19 infection, then I would agree with your premise that Butler should take advantage because Casimero is weaken by the virus. But this is a different illness that hits Casimero and I doubt that he will be affected by it. And yeah, if he thinks that he can't go and fight 100% then he will definitely not go with the Butler match. So regardless of his trash talking, his chances to win against Butler is still very good in my opinion.

I think I'm one of the first poster to look at how Covid-19 really affected the boxers.

But I don't have the data, if I'm not mistaken, Lopez got Covid prior to his fight with Kambosos and that's why it was postponed. Not taking anything away from George, he did a good job against Lopez, but at the back of my mind, the virus might have weaken this boxers.

But in this fight, it's a different scenario, so I will still go with Casimero to win by a devastating knock out and still defend his belt.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on December 25, 2021, 07:14:15 AM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on December 25, 2021, 06:02:56 AM

That's a great news @Baofeng, this fight will happen for sure next year and we will see Casimero again as a champion. Previously, we are talking of Inoue vs Donaire fight only, but with this development, there's a big chance that the Inoue vs Casimero will happen first as long as Casimero will win this one.

^ That is if Casimero will win this fight, the chances of winning of Butler it seems not far beyond and I think, he could take advantage of Casimero's weakness since I don't think if Casimero has been fully recovered of his sickness. I don't think Casimero will fully be recovered on that day or we are expecting an excuse from him. If he will lucky and able to win this match against Butler, then there would be Inoue vs Casimero fight.
The thing that I don't like is Casimero because of his trash talk which is I don't want to place a bet with him.

If this is Covid-19 infection, then I would agree with your premise that Butler should take advantage because Casimero is weaken by the virus. But this is a different illness that hits Casimero and I doubt that he will be affected by it. And yeah, if he thinks that he can't go and fight 100% then he will definitely not go with the Butler match. So regardless of his trash talking, his chances to win against Butler is still very good in my opinion.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on December 25, 2021, 07:14:15 AM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on December 25, 2021, 06:02:56 AM

That's a great news @Baofeng, this fight will happen for sure next year and we will see Casimero again as a champion. Previously, we are talking of Inoue vs Donaire fight only, but with this development, there's a big chance that the Inoue vs Casimero will happen first as long as Casimero will win this one.

^ That is if Casimero will win this fight, the chances of winning of Butler it seems not far beyond and I think, he could take advantage of Casimero's weakness since I don't think if Casimero has been fully recovered of his sickness. I don't think Casimero will fully be recovered on that day or we are expecting an excuse from him. If he will lucky and able to win this match against Butler, then there would be Inoue vs Casimero fight.
The thing that I don't like is Casimero because of his trash talk which is I don't want to place a bet with him.

I don't think Casimero would fight in the first place if he is not fully recovered yet, it wouldn't change anything, Casimero will still remain as the heavy favorite and when the fight night comes, he will make sure he is healthy to beat Butler.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on December 25, 2021, 06:02:56 AM

That's a great news @Baofeng, this fight will happen for sure next year and we will see Casimero again as a champion. Previously, we are talking of Inoue vs Donaire fight only, but with this development, there's a big chance that the Inoue vs Casimero will happen first as long as Casimero will win this one.

^ That is if Casimero will win this fight, the chances of winning of Butler it seems not far beyond and I think, he could take advantage of Casimero's weakness since I don't think if Casimero has been fully recovered of his sickness. I don't think Casimero will fully be recovered on that day or we are expecting an excuse from him. If he will lucky and able to win this match against Butler, then there would be Inoue vs Casimero fight.
The thing that I don't like is Casimero because of his trash talk which is I don't want to place a bet with him.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on December 25, 2021, 06:02:56 AM

That's a great news @Baofeng, this fight will happen for sure next year and we will see Casimero again as a champion. Previously, we are talking of Inoue vs Donaire fight only, but with this development, there's a big chance that the Inoue vs Casimero will happen first as long as Casimero will win this one.

The Casimero,Inoue and Donaire possibilities are there , actually this will be decided depend on the peoples reaction , The Boxing association is aiming to gain more popularity means this will bring more viewers and bettors so who will be the most popular pair is the biggest chance to happen fighting.
The Boxing association will decide who will face whom but of course either Donaire or Casimero will face Inoue both are much awaiting and worth to watch.

Right, now that options is still open and we really love to see those fights in the future. Hopefully though, Casimero has recovered 100% from that viral infection so that we can see him 100%.

Let Butler have his time against Casimero, and when Casimero wins, maybe he can chase Inoue again and set up a big fight in the middle of the year. And Arum shouldn't make any excuses not to make this fight for his cash cow.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on December 25, 2021, 06:02:56 AM

That's a great news @Baofeng, this fight will happen for sure next year and we will see Casimero again as a champion. Previously, we are talking of Inoue vs Donaire fight only, but with this development, there's a big chance that the Inoue vs Casimero will happen first as long as Casimero will win this one.

The Casimero,Inoue and Donaire possibilities are there , actually this will be decided depend on the peoples reaction , The Boxing association is aiming to gain more popularity means this will bring more viewers and bettors so who will be the most popular pair is the biggest chance to happen fighting.
The Boxing association will decide who will face whom but of course either Donaire or Casimero will face Inoue both are much awaiting and worth to watch.

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That's a great news @Baofeng, this fight will happen for sure next year and we will see Casimero again as a champion. Previously, we are talking of Inoue vs Donaire fight only, but with this development, there's a big chance that the Inoue vs Casimero will happen first as long as Casimero will win this one.

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 25, 2021, 05:13:45 AM

And hopefully since both of them are under the same management, there is a big chance that the fight is still going to happen early next year. Let's wait in the next 15 days on what will be Probellum decision here.

And this is also what I'm expecting, maybe Butler was advised not to accept the Agbeko as replacement because he can still get Casimero next year, all he has to do is wait for it till the WBO decided the faith of Casimero to retain his belt.

And since Probellum is under a good management of Richard Schaefer, this fight could happen in the US. And that is the only thing that I'm seeing that will change here, the venue.

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Oh, that's good to hear that the WBO sided on Casimero on this one. It was really disappointing to hear that the fight didn't push through this December because Casimero got sick.

And it seems the boxing community is undecided as to what is going to happen to Casimero, whether he will be stripped or retain the belt.

And yes, all we can wish is for the fight to happen and Casimero fighting his mandatory finally next year.

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Re-opening this thread as there as some developments:

Casimero To Remain WBO Champion, Probellum Has 15 Days To Decide on Butler Fight

https://www.boxingscene.com/casimero-remain-wbo-champion-probellum-15-days-decide-on-butler-fight--162995

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The World Boxing Organization has issued their resolution on the world title reign of John Riel Casimero, who will continue to hold the WBO championship at bantamweight.

So as expected, WBO accepted the fact that there is real cause as to why Casimero didn't show up in the weigh in because he was really sick. And the WBO find it reasonable to they retain him to be the champion.

And hopefully since both of them are under the same management, there is a big chance that the fight is still going to happen early next year. Let's wait in the next 15 days on what will be Probellum decision here.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on December 11, 2021, 05:57:39 PM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on December 11, 2021, 04:53:21 PM

It was previously reported that the belt was already stripped from him, maybe the winner of the fight will get the belt.

Here's the news ; Casimero stripped of world title ahead of Dubai fight vs Butler

Not good for Casimero but let's accept the reality and move on, for sure Casimero is already moving on and planning his next move to be a champion once again, which should not be hard for him.

I don't know which article is true but from what I have read yesterday, the winner of this Butler vs Agbeko fight will be the interim champion because WBO has given Team Casimero ten days to show proof that he has been admitted to a hospital for the treatment of his condition and if he fails to do so he will be stripped and the winner will be declared the regular champion.

I think that's the logical step for WBO, to give show case to Casimero because they can't really stripped him of the belt without reason. And for Casimero, to get the clearance from the doctor.

And if that is the case Casimero will be elevated to regular champion and then let Agbeko and Butler fight for the interim and the winner facing Casimero for the right to become the champion.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on December 11, 2021, 04:53:21 PM

It was previously reported that the belt was already stripped from him, maybe the winner of the fight will get the belt.

Here's the news ; Casimero stripped of world title ahead of Dubai fight vs Butler

Not good for Casimero but let's accept the reality and move on, for sure Casimero is already moving on and planning his next move to be a champion once again, which should not be hard for him.

I don't know which article is true but from what I have read yesterday, the winner of this Butler vs Agbeko fight will be the interim champion because WBO has given Team Casimero ten days to show proof that he has been admitted to a hospital for the treatment of his condition and if he fails to do so he will be stripped and the winner will be declared the regular champion.

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Quote from: Johnyz on December 11, 2021, 04:35:23 PM

They already replaced Casimero and there’s no need for recovery since he didn’t qualify anymore, the question here is he still the defending champion for his belt? Well, this could be his Karma or they done this intentionally just to secure his title. The fight between Inoue and Casimero is still not sure though, Casimero should be more active on lowering his weight or else, he will go to a higher division.

Guys if something unexpected and unfortunate happens to a boxer that people don't like. IMO, it's better not to think that it's karma for them. Boxing is their business and livelihood and I think Casimero doesn't even want to be lying on that bed and taking a rest if the fight is really for him. The trash talks that we've heard once, it's always part of the drama in boxing to take the attention of every fans in the world to be interested for their match, it's part of promotion.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on December 11, 2021, 05:12:39 PM

Quote from: Johnyz on December 11, 2021, 04:35:23 PM

Quote from: DoublerHunter on December 11, 2021, 04:31:52 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on December 11, 2021, 03:50:04 PM

We all know that because he did not lose actually, he just lose by default if we used a layman's term.

By the way, is the fight still going to happen today with Butler fighting a new opponent? Why is the odds still not available until now?

^ He has an excuse now he can't fight with Butler, it seems Casimero has karma right away on his trash talk.
If he cants able have a fast recovery, Casimero has to pull out their fight against Butler and the replacement could be Joseph Agbeko. Probably that is the reason don't have yet an odds because there is an emergency that happened to Casimero.
This is an update, https://twitter.com/probellum/status/1469249373154553856

They already replaced Casimero and there’s no need for recovery since he didn’t qualify anymore, the question here is he still the defending champion for his belt? Well, this could be his Karma or they done this intentionally just to secure his title. The fight between Inoue and Casimero is still not sure though, Casimero should be more active on lowering his weight or else, he will go to a higher division.

I already posted a link yesterday about Casimero being stripped on the title already.

But we will see if there is an official announcement from the WBO itself.

Joseph Agbeko is already the replacement so forget about John Riel Casimero now. All he had to focus right now it full recovery and then go back to reclaim his belt.

I disagree though, maybe what he needs is to really go up in weight if he wanted to get healthy because he might be too big for this weight already.

This is the first time that happened to him, at least give him a chance to still prove himself again, and if not, then maybe he would really have to go up in weight and face a new challenger in such weight class which I think he still have a good chance of winning. We are not happy with the news but there's nothing we can do, Casimero probably trained hard for this fight, so if we are disappointed, for sure he is very upset.

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Quote from: Johnyz on December 11, 2021, 04:35:23 PM

Quote from: DoublerHunter on December 11, 2021, 04:31:52 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on December 11, 2021, 03:50:04 PM

We all know that because he did not lose actually, he just lose by default if we used a layman's term.

By the way, is the fight still going to happen today with Butler fighting a new opponent? Why is the odds still not available until now?

^ He has an excuse now he can't fight with Butler, it seems Casimero has karma right away on his trash talk.
If he cants able have a fast recovery, Casimero has to pull out their fight against Butler and the replacement could be Joseph Agbeko. Probably that is the reason don't have yet an odds because there is an emergency that happened to Casimero.
This is an update, https://twitter.com/probellum/status/1469249373154553856

They already replaced Casimero and there’s no need for recovery since he didn’t qualify anymore, the question here is he still the defending champion for his belt? Well, this could be his Karma or they done this intentionally just to secure his title. The fight between Inoue and Casimero is still not sure though, Casimero should be more active on lowering his weight or else, he will go to a higher division.

I already posted a link yesterday about Casimero being stripped on the title already.

But we will see if there is an official announcement from the WBO itself.

Joseph Agbeko is already the replacement so forget about John Riel Casimero now. All he had to focus right now it full recovery and then go back to reclaim his belt.

I disagree though, maybe what he needs is to really go up in weight if he wanted to get healthy because he might be too big for this weight already.

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Quote from: Johnyz on December 11, 2021, 04:35:23 PM

Quote from: DoublerHunter on December 11, 2021, 04:31:52 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on December 11, 2021, 03:50:04 PM

We all know that because he did not lose actually, he just lose by default if we used a layman's term.

By the way, is the fight still going to happen today with Butler fighting a new opponent? Why is the odds still not available until now?

^ He has an excuse now he can't fight with Butler, it seems Casimero has karma right away on his trash talk.
If he cants able have a fast recovery, Casimero has to pull out their fight against Butler and the replacement could be Joseph Agbeko. Probably that is the reason don't have yet an odds because there is an emergency that happened to Casimero.
This is an update, https://twitter.com/probellum/status/1469249373154553856

They already replaced Casimero and there’s no need for recovery since he didn’t qualify anymore, the question here is he still the defending champion for his belt? Well, this could be his Karma or they done this intentionally just to secure his title. The fight between Inoue and Casimero is still not sure though, Casimero should be more active on lowering his weight or else, he will go to a higher division.

It was previously reported that the belt was already stripped from him, maybe the winner of the fight will get the belt.

Here's the news ; Casimero stripped of world title ahead of Dubai fight vs Butler

Not good for Casimero but let's accept the reality and move on, for sure Casimero is already moving on and planning his next move to be a champion once again, which should not be hard for him.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on December 11, 2021, 04:31:52 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on December 11, 2021, 03:50:04 PM

We all know that because he did not lose actually, he just lose by default if we used a layman's term.

By the way, is the fight still going to happen today with Butler fighting a new opponent? Why is the odds still not available until now?

^ He has an excuse now he can't fight with Butler, it seems Casimero has karma right away on his trash talk.
If he cants able have a fast recovery, Casimero has to pull out their fight against Butler and the replacement could be Joseph Agbeko. Probably that is the reason don't have yet an odds because there is an emergency that happened to Casimero.
This is an update, https://twitter.com/probellum/status/1469249373154553856

They already replaced Casimero and there’s no need for recovery since he didn’t qualify anymore, the question here is he still the defending champion for his belt? Well, this could be his Karma or they done this intentionally just to secure his title. The fight between Inoue and Casimero is still not sure though, Casimero should be more active on lowering his weight or else, he will go to a higher division.

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Quote from: Sanitough on December 11, 2021, 03:50:04 PM

We all know that because he did not lose actually, he just lose by default if we used a layman's term.

By the way, is the fight still going to happen today with Butler fighting a new opponent? Why is the odds still not available until now?

^ He has an excuse now he can't fight with Butler, it seems Casimero has karma right away on his trash talk.
If he cants able have a fast recovery, Casimero has to pull out their fight against Butler and the replacement could be Joseph Agbeko. Probably that is the reason don't have yet an odds because there is an emergency that happened to Casimero.
This is an update, https://twitter.com/probellum/status/1469249373154553856

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Quote from: Pamadar on December 11, 2021, 02:03:29 PM

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on December 10, 2021, 05:55:43 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on December 10, 2021, 05:23:43 PM

That's the news now, and getting stripped of his belt is really big for him, so he will come back strong to reclaim that belt. This is bad for him and for the Filipino boxing community as although some may not like his trash talking but we are still proud of him since he brings honor to our country.

^ And that is why he keeps trash talking because he knows that despite t bad words that come out of his mouth still there are his countrymen supporting him whatever happens which is not good if he continues doing trash talk. Trash talk is more often used for the weak people and I hope even if he was throwing those trash talk he can still be able to win. The fight is near close and let us see and wait who will gonna win or there is someone who will eat those trash talks he had thrown away.

Don't take that trash talk seriously, it's just his way of selling his fight and he was very effective on that. Just in this fight against Butler, we didn't hear him doing some trash talking and maybe that's not a good idea as the fight did not happen, and he paid a huge price which he lose his belt.

It's a good way to attract attention,

and by his skills and capabilities, the fans really want to see him fighting. Casimero is one of those premier champs in his era.
after his manager retires, it's him now creating his name.

He will be there again after this health concern, maybe much better fight if Butler won't push this fight to re-sched.

We all know that because he did not lose actually, he just lose by default if we used a layman's term.

By the way, is the fight still going to happen today with Butler fighting a new opponent? Why is the odds still not available until now?

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Quote from: Sanitough on December 11, 2021, 09:24:55 AM

Quote from: DoublerHunter on December 10, 2021, 05:55:43 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on December 10, 2021, 05:23:43 PM

That's the news now, and getting stripped of his belt is really big for him, so he will come back strong to reclaim that belt. This is bad for him and for the Filipino boxing community as although some may not like his trash talking but we are still proud of him since he brings honor to our country.

^ And that is why he keeps trash talking because he knows that despite t bad words that come out of his mouth still there are his countrymen supporting him whatever happens which is not good if he continues doing trash talk. Trash talk is more often used for the weak people and I hope even if he was throwing those trash talk he can still be able to win. The fight is near close and let us see and wait who will gonna win or there is someone who will eat those trash talks he had thrown away.

Don't take that trash talk seriously, it's just his way of selling his fight and he was very effective on that. Just in this fight against Butler, we didn't hear him doing some trash talking and maybe that's not a good idea as the fight did not happen, and he paid a huge price which he lose his belt.

It's a good way to attract attention,

and by his skills and capabilities, the fans really want to see him fighting. Casimero is one of those premier champs in his era.
after his manager retires, it's him now creating his name.

He will be there again after this health concern, maybe much better fight if Butler won't push this fight to re-sched.

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