[Boxing] Tank Davis vs. Ryan Garcia betting and discussion (May, 2023)

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Quote from: Kasabus on May 26, 2023, 04:01:54 PM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on May 25, 2023, 04:56:07 PM

^^ Not just fans, but even his former trainer Eddy Reynoso and even Canelo Alvarez had question Garcia's mentality in his boxing and trainer. But what he did? he separated himself against that great trainer in Reynoso and move to Goosen. Unfortunately, there is a fall out as well and for sure Ryan is putting the blame to Goosen for losing this fight.

However, if this trend is not going to stop though, James is a great trainer, he had trained a lot of elite boxers like Spence Jr. and turn him into what he is right now. But as we have said, it's the attitude and the hard work and perhaps that what lacking in Ryan Garcia and I do agree that he might not reach his full potential if he won't give his 100% on his training.

He cannot accept the fact that he have other boxer in the same training camp that is more prioritized than him. In the first place, Garcia have already done the unexpected being the selfish boxer who have wanted all attention directly to him but Reynoso brought to him the reality, which made Garcia leave the camp.

But it has proven wrong by Reynoso, I think Goosen has focused more and dedicated to train Ryan 100% in this fight against Tank Davis and yet after just one lost he decided to severe his ties with his long time trainer (they have history in the amateurs as well). So I do agree with the majority that the problem is Ryan and he is becoming the next Anthony Joshua who keeps on replacing his trainer after a big lost. And so we might think that the problem is not the trainer themselves, maybe they have given Ryan all the focus and the skills as a experience trainer but it's more on the mind and mentality of Ryan Garcia. No amount of trainer can provide any boxer of that, if they are weak on their minds, it's going to be very difficult for them to hurdle big fights.

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Quote from: mirakal on May 27, 2023, 03:11:57 PM

Quote from: Kasabus on May 26, 2023, 04:01:54 PM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on May 25, 2023, 04:56:07 PM

^^ Not just fans, but even his former trainer Eddy Reynoso and even Canelo Alvarez had question Garcia's mentality in his boxing and trainer. But what he did? he separated himself against that great trainer in Reynoso and move to Goosen. Unfortunately, there is a fall out as well and for sure Ryan is putting the blame to Goosen for losing this fight.

However, if this trend is not going to stop though, James is a great trainer, he had trained a lot of elite boxers like Spence Jr. and turn him into what he is right now. But as we have said, it's the attitude and the hard work and perhaps that what lacking in Ryan Garcia and I do agree that he might not reach his full potential if he won't give his 100% on his training.

He cannot accept the fact that he have other boxer in the same training camp that is more prioritized than him. In the first place, Garcia have already done the unexpected being the selfish boxer who have wanted all attention directly to him but Reynoso brought to him the reality, which made Garcia leave the camp.

By now, he probably has some lessons to learn because everyone cannot be that special especially if we're still at the bottom. He should know how to humble himself in times like these as he is the one who has more needs, he will not be favored if he will always act like he owns everyone and everything, and doesn't want a trainer that have other boxers to train. Reynoso have already said Garcia's traits and in every camp he transfers into got the same words to tell, so the problem is really him.

For sure, based on the pictures being circulated now with Ryan on the side of his new trainer, he could have been taught new trick, very different from Goosen or Eddy Reynoso's trainer method. The thing is that he is with a black trainer now, maybe there could be some sharpening of his defense, like Ryan is plodding, slow moving with his fight. And we all know that black boxers are not known by this, they are explosive. Then Ryan's stance, I mean he uses the Philly shell that Floyd is known to used, so what better way to learn it thru a black trainer like Derrick James. Two of the most famous boxers that James trained is we all know by know is Errol Spence and then Jermell Charlo the unified 154 lbs champion.

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Quote from: mirakal on May 27, 2023, 03:11:57 PM

Quote from: Kasabus on May 26, 2023, 04:01:54 PM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on May 25, 2023, 04:56:07 PM

^^ Not just fans, but even his former trainer Eddy Reynoso and even Canelo Alvarez had question Garcia's mentality in his boxing and trainer. But what he did? he separated himself against that great trainer in Reynoso and move to Goosen. Unfortunately, there is a fall out as well and for sure Ryan is putting the blame to Goosen for losing this fight.

However, if this trend is not going to stop though, James is a great trainer, he had trained a lot of elite boxers like Spence Jr. and turn him into what he is right now. But as we have said, it's the attitude and the hard work and perhaps that what lacking in Ryan Garcia and I do agree that he might not reach his full potential if he won't give his 100% on his training.

He cannot accept the fact that he have other boxer in the same training camp that is more prioritized than him. In the first place, Garcia have already done the unexpected being the selfish boxer who have wanted all attention directly to him but Reynoso brought to him the reality, which made Garcia leave the camp.

By now, he probably has some lessons to learn because everyone cannot be that special especially if we're still at the bottom. He should know how to humble himself in times like these as he is the one who has more needs, he will not be favored if he will always act like he owns everyone and everything, and doesn't want a trainer that have other boxers to train. Reynoso have already said Garcia's traits and in every camp he transfers into got the same words to tell, so the problem is really him.

I guess Ryan Garcia needs to understand that, just like in his new coach, he is not the only one that Derrick James will try, he has Errol Spence who has a incoming fight so he needs to understand that.

Maybe it was just an excuse on Ryan's part because as we can see in the fight he is a quitter. And perhaps in that Reynoso camp, he didn't put forth himself in training hard and just said in the public that he Reynoso is just busy with Canelo and other fighters. Now after his lost, he changes trainer again, a sign that the problem is really Ryan. But let's see how James can transform Ryan, especially his footwork.

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Quote from: Kasabus on May 26, 2023, 04:01:54 PM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on May 25, 2023, 04:56:07 PM

^^ Not just fans, but even his former trainer Eddy Reynoso and even Canelo Alvarez had question Garcia's mentality in his boxing and trainer. But what he did? he separated himself against that great trainer in Reynoso and move to Goosen. Unfortunately, there is a fall out as well and for sure Ryan is putting the blame to Goosen for losing this fight.

However, if this trend is not going to stop though, James is a great trainer, he had trained a lot of elite boxers like Spence Jr. and turn him into what he is right now. But as we have said, it's the attitude and the hard work and perhaps that what lacking in Ryan Garcia and I do agree that he might not reach his full potential if he won't give his 100% on his training.

He cannot accept the fact that he have other boxer in the same training camp that is more prioritized than him. In the first place, Garcia have already done the unexpected being the selfish boxer who have wanted all attention directly to him but Reynoso brought to him the reality, which made Garcia leave the camp.

By now, he probably has some lessons to learn because everyone cannot be that special especially if we're still at the bottom. He should know how to humble himself in times like these as he is the one who has more needs, he will not be favored if he will always act like he owns everyone and everything, and doesn't want a trainer that have other boxers to train. Reynoso have already said Garcia's traits and in every camp he transfers into got the same words to tell, so the problem is really him.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on May 25, 2023, 04:56:07 PM

^^ Not just fans, but even his former trainer Eddy Reynoso and even Canelo Alvarez had question Garcia's mentality in his boxing and trainer. But what he did? he separated himself against that great trainer in Reynoso and move to Goosen. Unfortunately, there is a fall out as well and for sure Ryan is putting the blame to Goosen for losing this fight.

However, if this trend is not going to stop though, James is a great trainer, he had trained a lot of elite boxers like Spence Jr. and turn him into what he is right now. But as we have said, it's the attitude and the hard work and perhaps that what lacking in Ryan Garcia and I do agree that he might not reach his full potential if he won't give his 100% on his training.

He cannot accept the fact that he have other boxer in the same training camp that is more prioritized than him. In the first place, Garcia have already done the unexpected being the selfish boxer who have wanted all attention directly to him but Reynoso brought to him the reality, which made Garcia leave the camp.

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Quote from: freedomgo on May 25, 2023, 02:44:59 PM

Quote from: carlisle1 on May 25, 2023, 04:54:14 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on May 24, 2023, 05:25:56 PM

Ryan Garcia has a new trainer already,

https://www.britishboxingnews.co.uk/blogs/ryan-garcia-begins-training-with-derrick-james

And as what has been mentioned, it's Derrick James the trainer of Errol Spence Jr. And obviously we can see in the picture that maybe they are still already working. We have heard about the Spence Jr. Vs Bud Crawford fight so most likely this could be true as again pictures circulating already that Ryan is on the camp on board and might be introduce by James himself to the fighters he is trainer. But then again, it's the whole attitude of Ryan than can make the big difference.

I agree with that, it's still his attitude that will allow him to enhance his fighting skills, with a new trainer and a new set of people to
work on keeping moving forward after that loss.

Nothing to judge for now as we are waiting for the next update if he will have another money fight or if he will again find a cherry pick fighter to hype his name.

Something that we will need to wait, whether that change in training partners will benefit him or not.

Hopefully it is for the better this time because Ryan Garcia's talent will just be put to waste if he will not do anything to address his own issue that he himself created, he could've been among the top names right now if he have the dedication to be among those lists. Moreover, he already have the people needed for him to develop his skills and to be a much greater boxer than what he is previously, all what's needed to do is his presence and dedication to change for the better.

He has the potential and the ability to make it to the big leagues (I would even argue that he is already in the big leagues considering we are talking about him) but that attitude of wanting to always be in the spotlight has to go. It's one thing to love being a star and a celebrity because well, it's a secret dream that most of us wanted to achieve at some point in our lives but at the same time him skipping out on important affairs like training just so he can appear more in the camera is just going to cause him to lose more fights in the future. It may even be seen as him slacking off or "damaged" after the fight with Tank but he definitely needs to change his attitude and bring his enthusiasm to the game that made him famous in the first place.

Maybe Ryan should enter Hollywood then because he love the spotlight, he has the looks so maybe that should be the career he should focus. But in all seriousness, trainers can only do that much for a boxer, at the end of the day, it's Ryan against Davis inside the ring and Goosen or Reynoso can't help him. With that said, if he isn't ready for that big fight and he could have taken that tune up fight. But then again, he believed that he can beat Davis easy with that left hook on his which didn't even hit Davis because he knows that Ryan is going to throw it so he just simply duck and protect his chin.

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^^ Not just fans, but even his former trainer Eddy Reynoso and even Canelo Alvarez had question Garcia's mentality in his boxing and trainer. But what he did? he separated himself against that great trainer in Reynoso and move to Goosen. Unfortunately, there is a fall out as well and for sure Ryan is putting the blame to Goosen for losing this fight.

However, if this trend is not going to stop though, James is a great trainer, he had trained a lot of elite boxers like Spence Jr. and turn him into what he is right now. But as we have said, it's the attitude and the hard work and perhaps that what lacking in Ryan Garcia and I do agree that he might not reach his full potential if he won't give his 100% on his training.

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Quote from: freedomgo on May 25, 2023, 02:44:59 PM

Quote from: carlisle1 on May 25, 2023, 04:54:14 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on May 24, 2023, 05:25:56 PM

Ryan Garcia has a new trainer already,
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https://www.britishboxingnews.co.uk/blogs/ryan-garcia-begins-training-with-derrick-james

And as what has been mentioned, it's Derrick James the trainer of Errol Spence Jr. And obviously we can see in the picture that maybe they are still already working. We have heard about the Spence Jr. Vs Bud Crawford fight so most likely this could be true as again pictures circulating already that Ryan is on the camp on board and might be introduce by James himself to the fighters he is trainer. But then again, it's the whole attitude of Ryan than can make the big difference.

I agree with that, it's still his attitude that will allow him to enhance his fighting skills, with a new trainer and a new set of people to
work on keeping moving forward after that loss.

Nothing to judge for now as we are waiting for the next update if he will have another money fight or if he will again find a cherry pick fighter to hype his name.

Something that we will need to wait, whether that change in training partners will benefit him or not.

Hopefully it is for the better this time because Ryan Garcia's talent will just be put to waste if he will not do anything to address his own issue that he himself created, he could've been among the top names right now if he have the dedication to be among those lists. Moreover, he already have the people needed for him to develop his skills and to be a much greater boxer than what he is previously, all what's needed to do is his presence and dedication to change for the better.

Ryan should realize this because if he wont then he would really still not to make some progress and would really be still sticking into his current self or current way of boxing on which he would potentially be having another losses in line which means that it is really that a huge effect into his career. If he do still minds about having that a good career then he should really be following into those new trainor itself and on the people around him. Yes, its true that it would really be just still depending on his attitude and dedication of course on how he would really be making himself to have that improvement.
Lots of fans had already saw his flaws and lacking and thats why he do able to suffer losses. He wont really be able to make step forward if he wont really be making those
changes which it is a must.

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Quote from: freedomgo on May 25, 2023, 02:44:59 PM

Quote from: carlisle1 on May 25, 2023, 04:54:14 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on May 24, 2023, 05:25:56 PM

Ryan Garcia has a new trainer already,

https://www.britishboxingnews.co.uk/blogs/ryan-garcia-begins-training-with-derrick-james

And as what has been mentioned, it's Derrick James the trainer of Errol Spence Jr. And obviously we can see in the picture that maybe they are still already working. We have heard about the Spence Jr. Vs Bud Crawford fight so most likely this could be true as again pictures circulating already that Ryan is on the camp on board and might be introduce by James himself to the fighters he is trainer. But then again, it's the whole attitude of Ryan than can make the big difference.

I agree with that, it's still his attitude that will allow him to enhance his fighting skills, with a new trainer and a new set of people to
work on keeping moving forward after that loss.

Nothing to judge for now as we are waiting for the next update if he will have another money fight or if he will again find a cherry pick fighter to hype his name.

Something that we will need to wait, whether that change in training partners will benefit him or not.

Hopefully it is for the better this time because Ryan Garcia's talent will just be put to waste if he will not do anything to address his own issue that he himself created, he could've been among the top names right now if he have the dedication to be among those lists. Moreover, he already have the people needed for him to develop his skills and to be a much greater boxer than what he is previously, all what's needed to do is his presence and dedication to change for the better.

He has the potential and the ability to make it to the big leagues (I would even argue that he is already in the big leagues considering we are talking about him) but that attitude of wanting to always be in the spotlight has to go. It's one thing to love being a star and a celebrity because well, it's a secret dream that most of us wanted to achieve at some point in our lives but at the same time him skipping out on important affairs like training just so he can appear more in the camera is just going to cause him to lose more fights in the future. It may even be seen as him slacking off or "damaged" after the fight with Tank but he definitely needs to change his attitude and bring his enthusiasm to the game that made him famous in the first place.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on May 25, 2023, 04:54:14 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on May 24, 2023, 05:25:56 PM

Ryan Garcia has a new trainer already,

https://www.britishboxingnews.co.uk/blogs/ryan-garcia-begins-training-with-derrick-james

And as what has been mentioned, it's Derrick James the trainer of Errol Spence Jr. And obviously we can see in the picture that maybe they are still already working. We have heard about the Spence Jr. Vs Bud Crawford fight so most likely this could be true as again pictures circulating already that Ryan is on the camp on board and might be introduce by James himself to the fighters he is trainer. But then again, it's the whole attitude of Ryan than can make the big difference.

I agree with that, it's still his attitude that will allow him to enhance his fighting skills, with a new trainer and a new set of people to
work on keeping moving forward after that loss.

Nothing to judge for now as we are waiting for the next update if he will have another money fight or if he will again find a cherry pick fighter to hype his name.

Something that we will need to wait, whether that change in training partners will benefit him or not.

Hopefully it is for the better this time because Ryan Garcia's talent will just be put to waste if he will not do anything to address his own issue that he himself created, he could've been among the top names right now if he have the dedication to be among those lists. Moreover, he already have the people needed for him to develop his skills and to be a much greater boxer than what he is previously, all what's needed to do is his presence and dedication to change for the better.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on May 24, 2023, 05:25:56 PM

Ryan Garcia has a new trainer already,

https://www.britishboxingnews.co.uk/blogs/ryan-garcia-begins-training-with-derrick-james

And as what has been mentioned, it's Derrick James the trainer of Errol Spence Jr. And obviously we can see in the picture that maybe they are still already working. We have heard about the Spence Jr. Vs Bud Crawford fight so most likely this could be true as again pictures circulating already that Ryan is on the camp on board and might be introduce by James himself to the fighters he is trainer. But then again, it's the whole attitude of Ryan than can make the big difference.

I agree with that, it's still his attitude that will allow him to enhance his fighting skills, with a new trainer and a new set of people to
work on keeping moving forward after that loss.

Nothing to judge for now as we are waiting for the next update if he will have another money fight or if he will again find a cherry pick fighter to hype his name.

Something that we will need to wait, whether that change in training partners will benefit him or not.

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Quote from: Jating on May 06, 2023, 01:34:52 PM

What do you think though? for me it's better for Ryan to just go back to Eddy then? I mean he has good relationship with Reynoso before and probably it's Ryan best interest that Canelo has said things in public against him. Perhaps Canelo's intention is for Ryan to really improved himself, but Ryan take it negatively.

For me I don't think that James will be a perfect fit for him as a coach, no offense to him, but the his style of coaching might not work with Ryan. So it's better to go back to where he all started his career, with Eddy's camp and for sure he can still improved and continue what they have started before instead of renewing another training pattern that he might have difficult to learn, in my opinion.

What happens is that he will say that if he goes back with Eddy he can see it as a failure, something that shouldn't be there, it's something like going back, and what Canelo says I'm sure Ryan won't like, because in part Canelo has enough fame and he will see it as something that does not fluctuate between them, and if he fights with those things, I think it is worse, so in this case the healthiest thing I see is that García does what he should do and that Canelo is in his quiet position, the quieter the better, because I see that it is like stirring up the hornet's nest.

Well, if this go wrong again this time, Ryan Garcia's last resort would be going back towards Eddy Reynoso and forget what happened before if he really like to continue his career because that is where he made his name and helped him to take advantage of the talent he got.
Also, there is a huge chance too that Garcia will not like James style because the time may not be that perfect for Garcia especially if Charlo and Spence will both be busy so and that means that Garcia will be left again as James will prioritize Charlo and Spence first.

Ryan Garcia has a new trainer already,

https://www.britishboxingnews.co.uk/blogs/ryan-garcia-begins-training-with-derrick-james

And as what has been mentioned, it's Derrick James the trainer of Errol Spence Jr. And obviously we can see in the picture that maybe they are still already working. We have heard about the Spence Jr. Vs Bud Crawford fight so most likely this could be true as again pictures circulating already that Ryan is on the camp on board and might be introduce by James himself to the fighters he is trainer. But then again, it's the whole attitude of Ryan than can make the big difference.

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Quote from: Jating on May 06, 2023, 01:34:52 PM

What do you think though? for me it's better for Ryan to just go back to Eddy then? I mean he has good relationship with Reynoso before and probably it's Ryan best interest that Canelo has said things in public against him. Perhaps Canelo's intention is for Ryan to really improved himself, but Ryan take it negatively.

For me I don't think that James will be a perfect fit for him as a coach, no offense to him, but the his style of coaching might not work with Ryan. So it's better to go back to where he all started his career, with Eddy's camp and for sure he can still improved and continue what they have started before instead of renewing another training pattern that he might have difficult to learn, in my opinion.

What happens is that he will say that if he goes back with Eddy he can see it as a failure, something that shouldn't be there, it's something like going back, and what Canelo says I'm sure Ryan won't like, because in part Canelo has enough fame and he will see it as something that does not fluctuate between them, and if he fights with those things, I think it is worse, so in this case the healthiest thing I see is that García does what he should do and that Canelo is in his quiet position, the quieter the better, because I see that it is like stirring up the hornet's nest.

Well, if this go wrong again this time, Ryan Garcia's last resort would be going back towards Eddy Reynoso and forget what happened before if he really like to continue his career because that is where he made his name and helped him to take advantage of the talent he got.
Also, there is a huge chance too that Garcia will not like James style because the time may not be that perfect for Garcia especially if Charlo and Spence will both be busy so and that means that Garcia will be left again as James will prioritize Charlo and Spence first.

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Quote from: Jating on May 06, 2023, 01:34:52 PM

What do you think though? for me it's better for Ryan to just go back to Eddy then? I mean he has good relationship with Reynoso before and probably it's Ryan best interest that Canelo has said things in public against him. Perhaps Canelo's intention is for Ryan to really improved himself, but Ryan take it negatively.

For me I don't think that James will be a perfect fit for him as a coach, no offense to him, but the his style of coaching might not work with Ryan. So it's better to go back to where he all started his career, with Eddy's camp and for sure he can still improved and continue what they have started before instead of renewing another training pattern that he might have difficult to learn, in my opinion.

What happens is that he will say that if he goes back with Eddy he can see it as a failure, something that shouldn't be there, it's something like going back, and what Canelo says I'm sure Ryan won't like, because in part Canelo has enough fame and he will see it as something that does not fluctuate between them, and if he fights with those things, I think it is worse, so in this case the healthiest thing I see is that García does what he should do and that Canelo is in his quiet position, the quieter the better, because I see that it is like stirring up the hornet's nest.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on May 21, 2023, 05:59:44 PM

It's done already. Too late to turn back time. Garcia should have taken a tune up and maybe did not agree for rehydration clause or the get a better deal on the catchweight. Garcia and De La Hoya can focus on the present if they are to work together.

Garcia now has James as his new coach. We'll see how this goes. Maybe James can push him to train harder. But in reality Spence and Charlo have their own problems too so it's either Garcia becomes better or turn into worse.

Yes, depends on how Garcia will cooperate as even he changes camp,

If he's not willing to adjust, then there's nothing that will be change on him. It's his personal achievements to exceed from his limitations
and try to do everything to regain his name and be back at the hype of his career.

It's just one loss, and he is still young and has all the capabilities to adjust, if he will cooperate and he will unleash all those potentials
that can be improved and enhance then maybe we will see him winning more fights and a possibility of winning a belt.

The thing i could see on Garcia is about being that predictable and doesnt have that footwork. This is why its not shocking that Davis did really hit up a solid bodyblow yet he's really that easy to read up.

If he would really be that hard headed then he wont really be able to reclaim that hype that he had started or able to achieve.Yes, he's still young and theres still lots of rooms for improvement.
On this current talks that Garcia loves to chill and isnt really that disciplined towards his training routing then we would be able to say that he wont really be making more
progress. He do really need to adjust and would follow strictly on what trainers say and of course the discipline because this is actually for his own good of his career.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on May 21, 2023, 05:59:44 PM

It's done already. Too late to turn back time. Garcia should have taken a tune up and maybe did not agree for rehydration clause or the get a better deal on the catchweight. Garcia and De La Hoya can focus on the present if they are to work together.

Garcia now has James as his new coach. We'll see how this goes. Maybe James can push him to train harder. But in reality Spence and Charlo have their own problems too so it's either Garcia becomes better or turn into worse.

Yes, depends on how Garcia will cooperate as even he changes camp,

If he's not willing to adjust, then there's nothing that will be change on him. It's his personal achievements to exceed from his limitations
and try to do everything to regain his name and be back at the hype of his career.

It's just one loss, and he is still young and has all the capabilities to adjust, if he will cooperate and he will unleash all those potentials
that can be improved and enhance then maybe we will see him winning more fights and a possibility of winning a belt.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on May 21, 2023, 05:59:44 PM

It's done already. Too late to turn back time. Garcia should have taken a tune up and maybe did not agree for rehydration clause or the get a better deal on the catchweight. Garcia and De La Hoya can focus on the present if they are to work together.

Yes, what's done is done. They already knew about the possible repercussions and yet they still forgo their first plan to have a tune-up fight ahead a much heavier fight, we don't know what will be the outcome if Garcia did faced his own tune-up because there are some factors as well that his preparations might be a little short as he might need more rest to recover from that tune-up fight as it was touted to be like Gervonta Davis's style. Either way, I still do think that the outcome will be the same, no matter what preparation Garcia did.

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Garcia now has James as his new coach. We'll see how this goes. Maybe James can push him to train harder. But in reality Spence and Charlo have their own problems too so it's either Garcia becomes better or turn into worse.

Hopefully, it's something positive this time because the last time Ryan Garcia had this situation, he did not appreciated it at all that is why he left because Eddy Reynoso prioritized Canelo Alvarez first and now, he again have the same situation. What can I say except good luck.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on May 21, 2023, 05:59:44 PM

It's done already. Too late to turn back time. Garcia should have taken a tune up and maybe did not agree for rehydration clause or the get a better deal on the catchweight. Garcia and De La Hoya can focus on the present if they are to work together.

Garcia now has James as his new coach. We'll see how this goes. Maybe James can push him to train harder. But in reality Spence and Charlo have their own problems too so it's either Garcia becomes better or turn into worse.

it was their decision not to take the tune-up fight of garcia vs. mercito gesta supposedly last january. so they should not regret of not having such fight. they are already here so better do their best inside the ring. up until now, the majority is betting on tank davis to win this match.
will the new coach impose better skills for garcia to win? let's see...

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It's done already. Too late to turn back time. Garcia should have taken a tune up and maybe did not agree for rehydration clause or the get a better deal on the catchweight. Garcia and De La Hoya can focus on the present if they are to work together.

Garcia now has James as his new coach. We'll see how this goes. Maybe James can push him to train harder. But in reality Spence and Charlo have their own problems too so it's either Garcia becomes better or turn into worse.

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I honestly see nothing really great about Ryan Garcia. He is good but not great and I do not even think he will ever become a world champion. Or maybe he can upset a champion or win a vacant belt because he is gifted with power but most likely he is not holding a world title for long. There's a huge difference between Garcia and the prospect days of Teofimo Lopez, Adrien Broner, etc.

Let's just give him some time for now because after all, he is still young and definitely have some room to improve if he is that actually serious to be one of the greats one day. He already got the talent to bring any boxer down as long as he can touch it with somebody else's temple but that talent is not well taken care of and that's what he should do. For now, this loss he just experienced will wake him up and reflect on his actions, so that next time, he knows what to do.

Perhaps if he will just know how to protect or have good defense though, he could be an elite boxer. But he doesn't have that and the movement, still very amateurish that's why when he faces a great boxer like Gervonta Davis, he was really exposed and then others says that Ryan just quit and doesn't want to go and fight. He could have like the mentality of Amir Khan, than when he knows that he is going to lose the fight, he just take a dive and quit. So if he can fight a coach that can improved his lateral movements and cover his face and body more, then maybe he can recover from his lost.

We are not you but I think that Garcia also has many things on his mind, he wants to do a lot and achieve little, maybe he is Demanding too much and that is why things are not working out for him? the pressure and mental health of a boxer or any athlete is something that we do not give much importance to, all this type of speculation he can see, it is not that he goes here and reads, but I think that social networks are much more than to destroy than to build and that can affect him,as far as I'm concerned I think that García is missing something,perhaps the toughest training and that he gets harder in the ring,that he has an Established strategy and that he does not give up.

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De La Hoya Says Ryan Garcia Should Have Taken Tune-up Fight Ahead of Gervonta Davis Showdown

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Oscar De La Hoya believes Ryan Garcia’s woes in the ring against Gervonta Davis were in part the product of a decision made many months earlier.

The head of Golden Boy Promotions stated in a recent interview that it was a mistake for his charge to forgo plans to take up a tune-up level bout ahead of his fight with Baltimore’s Davis last month.

The southpaw Davis wound up stopping Garcia with a body shot in the seventh round of their highly publicized 136-pound match at T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.

Prior to their fight, Davis had entered the ring more than three months earlier, in January, against Hector Luis Garcia, stopping the Dominican in nine rounds at Capitol One Arena in Washington D.C.

Source: https://www.boxingscene.com/de-la-hoya-says-ryan-garcia-taken-tune-up-fight-ahead-gervonta-davis-showdown--174606

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