[Boxing] Tank Davis vs. Ryan Garcia betting and discussion (May, 2023) - page 5.

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...And with that win, I shoot up Tank to be my #1 p4p list, followed by Naoya Inoue.

How about everyone? What do you think of Tank's performance here, are you with me ranking him the top p4p boxer right now?

Jeez, mate! You need to relax and take a breath. You just got carried away by the popularity of Tank and Garcia. Tank just beat another undefeated prospect. Only that it is more popular than his previous cherry-picked opponents. Garcia is not a world champion. Tommy Fury beating popular Jake Paul doesn't mean he is on the same level as champions Opetaia, Okolie, etc.

Tank's never been in The Ring's and Transnational Boxing Rankings Board's top 10 pound-for-pound. And his win against another undefeated yet unproven and non-champion Ryan Garcia won't merit an entrance to the top 10 let alone at rank 1.

No, I'm not, that's how I see it though, but at least let Tank be in the top 10 now. I just check Ring's list of p4p and I saw Juan Francisco Estrada at number 10. Nevertheless, might be the start for Tank to really up his opposition, maybe he should really fight the winner of Loma vs Haney.

Barring boxing politics and network affiliation, this could easily be made. Although Tank was asked this question if I'm not mistaken, but he didn't answer it directly. While Haney said he is willing to fight Tank next. Let's see how it goes, as I have said, this performance will at least break him in the top 10, IMHO. Josh Taylor is number 9 when he has a very close fight with Jack Catterall and almost lost that fight.

I cannot really imagine how Tank can enter the top 10. His resume is just too weak that he is not even worth mentioning in the top 15. Tank is only a 1 division champion, that's it. And he was not the lineal champ when he became a champ at 130. He's never been in a unification fight. His best win was over former champ Jose Pedraza where Tank took the IBF belt. The best name in his resume was Yuriorkis Gamboa but that was not the quality version of Gamboa. Or maybe Leo Santa Cruz, a 4 division champion. LSC though despite being a 4 division champion will never be mentioned among the greats since he was a product of politics and corruption. Probably the only fighter that was given the privilege to fight for the vacant belt in 4 divisions.

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Although recently, Tank is not listed by Ring as number 10 now. Maybe they just updated it to include Tank and removed Juan Francisco Estrada, and this is the first time that Tank is making it on the top 10.

Maybe he will start to climb in the ranks now, depending on who he is going to face next. I know that p4p list is very dubious and it's very different across, SI lists include David Benavidez, Shakur Stevenson and Devin Haney. So we can argue that those should not be in the list as well, specially David Benavidez. So I guess the organization that released their list could have some reasoning behind them.

SI, ESPN, Boxrec, Boxingscene, etc. are just garbage rankings. The pound-for-pound and lineal champions should come from an organization without politics and affiliations which is why The Ring was called the bible of boxing and which is why the TBRB should now be considered the most credible. Maybe only hardcore fans will get this.

You haven't seen the career of El Gallo then mate. Tank is nowhere near the achievements of that Mexican. If pound for pound is based on popularity then Tommy Fury, Jake Paul, Edgar Berlanga, etc. are in the top 10. But what is it with Ryan Garcia that its conqueror all of a sudden deserves a top 10 ranking?

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Gervonta Davis-Ryan Garcia: Approximately 1.2M PPV Buys; $22.8M In Ticket Revenue

We all knew that Davis vs Garcia was a great success but it also exceeded the expectation of some in terms of pay-per-view, especially in the US.

Have read an article that even if it only generated 450k to 750k view, it would still be a success but damn that 1.2 millions views was massive if that was an accurate figure they gave there. I wonder how much money if that views were translated in dollars and how much share would Garcia and Davis would get from it.

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The WBA regular lightweight champion Gervonta Davis is set to earn a guaranteed fight purse of $5 million and 50% of the pay-per-view shares for the event. In total, 'Tank' is expected to take home a total of around $10 million.

His opponent Garcia is set to earn a guaranteed purse of $2.5 million. However, his actual payout will be much higher since he is expected to have a 50 percent stake in the pay-per-view numbers. The former WBC interim lightweight champion might see a pay-day of nearly $5 million.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/pro-boxing/news-how-much-gervonta-davis-make-ryan-garcia-here-s-estimate-fight-purse

Guaranteed purse for Tank = $5 million
Guaranteed purse for Ryan = $2.5 million

And then both of them will be getting 50% in the pay-per-view numbers. And since the fight produces one of the best pay-per-view numbers this year at 1.2 buys, it could really equate into big money for Ryan and Tank. So I guess that will be the consolation for Ryan Garcia, getting huge money in this fight even if he lost.

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Gervonta Davis-Ryan Garcia: Approximately 1.2M PPV Buys; $22.8M In Ticket Revenue

We all knew that Davis vs Garcia was a great success but it also exceeded the expectation of some in terms of pay-per-view, especially in the US.

Have read an article that even if it only generated 450k to 750k view, it would still be a success but damn that 1.2 millions views was massive if that was an accurate figure they gave there. I wonder how much money if that views were translated in dollars and how much share would Garcia and Davis would get from it.

If my math is right, 1.2 buys x $84.99 (price of PPV) = $101,988,000. But there could be tax and other liabilities that they have to pay to others. But still as you have said, only Canelo Alvarez can get that numbers in his fights.

As far as what Davis and Garcia would be getting, who knows, the numbers are not yet in public, but I will assume that maybe in the tune of $10 million and up as guaranteed price for either of them. So this could be the biggest paycheck for Tank and Ryan for sure.

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Gervonta Davis-Ryan Garcia: Approximately 1.2M PPV Buys; $22.8M In Ticket Revenue

We all knew that Davis vs Garcia was a great success but it also exceeded the expectation of some in terms of pay-per-view, especially in the US.

Have read an article that even if it only generated 450k to 750k view, it would still be a success but damn that 1.2 millions views was massive if that was an accurate figure they gave there. I wonder how much money if that views were translated in dollars and how much share would Garcia and Davis would get from it.

I agree, people demanded this fight, and so they watch it. So no surprised that it has generated that huge money for the boxers, promoters and networks. So if they can generate this huge numbers, just imagine Crawford vs Spence. But I guess they wanted more though, maybe guaranteed $10-$20 million first before they face each other.

Anyway, we might not see another fight of this magnitude, at least the hype and the buzz that it generates to casual and hard core boxing fans. Although there will be a Canelo fight next month, but it will be in Mexico so expect great live gates and PPV Buys.

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Ryan Garcia is too eager to KO Davis and relies heavily on his hook. Davis had expected it so he is prepared and read the situation very well. The counter that KD Ryan Garcia on the second round was so beautiful to watch. It is almost a hidden punch that most viewers have not seen(thankfully there is a replay).

With regards to the trainer, I also think that the trainer had wasted the advantages of Ryan Garcia. He should have practiced Ryan Garcia of evading tactics where Ryan is the one back pedalling instead of moving forward. Even though Davis planned to backpedal so that he can easily move forward to lessen the distance, Ryan should have not taken those bait instead he should have planted his feet not moving forward and wait for Davis instead to initiate.

But what happened happens. It shows the immaturity of Ryan Garcia and the incapability of his training camp of setting a good strategy against a skilled and High IQ boxer.

Not just the IQ of Tank Davis, he set it all up and played mind games with Ryan Garcia before the game which he bought and that's what made the difference. It is true, he was too eager to land his left hook that he forgot to put some space against the champion. The jabs too, became lesser and lesser as the fight progressed. I think the knockdown shook his confidence and that made him scared to be countered again if ever he throws a punch. Again, with the mind games of Davis even inside the ring.

Yeah, Ryan Garcia was outplayed by Tank Davis wits Grin

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When will be the time they will put a microphone near the fighters? I saw Davis saying a lot of things against Garcia but it's difficult to read lips. Perhaps, some trash talk to make Garcia angry and lose his temper. Cheesy

This is an interesting query but I think it won't happen because putting mics on the player may cause an accident that can incapacitate a boxer and worst end his career. It is obvious that Davis is provoking Garcia which I think plays a huge part in Garcia's changing strategy from using jabs to a more aggressive approach of throwing a barrage of hooks. I think the possible method to know what the players are saying is to implement overhead mics that follow the players movement.

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Ryan Garcia is too eager to KO Davis and relies heavily on his hook. Davis had expected it so he is prepared and read the situation very well. The counter that KD Ryan Garcia on the second round was so beautiful to watch. It is almost a hidden punch that most viewers have not seen(thankfully there is a replay).

With regards to the trainer, I also think that the trainer had wasted the advantages of Ryan Garcia. He should have practiced Ryan Garcia of evading tactics where Ryan is the one back pedalling instead of moving forward. Even though Davis planned to backpedal so that he can easily move forward to lessen the distance, Ryan should have not taken those bait instead he should have planted his feet not moving forward and wait for Davis instead to initiate.

But what happened happens. It shows the immaturity of Ryan Garcia and the incapability of his training camp of setting a good strategy against a skilled and High IQ boxer.

Not just the IQ of Tank Davis, he set it all up and played mind games with Ryan Garcia before the game which he bought and that's what made the difference. It is true, he was too eager to land his left hook that he forgot to put some space against the champion. The jabs too, became lesser and lesser as the fight progressed. I think the knockdown shook his confidence and that made him scared to be countered again if ever he throws a punch. Again, with the mind games of Davis even inside the ring.

When will be the time they will put a microphone near the fighters? I saw Davis saying a lot of things against Garcia but it's difficult to read lips. Perhaps, some trash talk to make Garcia angry and lose his temper. Cheesy

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Yes indeed no need to change his trainer since he will adjust on new learnings again so better improve things that needed to work on. Its just one lost and he can still work more with that to learn a lot of things om what he experience from davis, he need to grow up since that fight reminds him that there are more better fighter than him.
Improvement really takes time but Garcia is talented fighter so for sure he can adjust and became more wiser after his unfortunate match.

Well, I think both Ryan Garcia and Goosen made a mistake because they didn't prepared for that fight well but they expected a different outcome. Goosen should've planted into Ryan Garcia's thick head that he should use his size advantage because Tank Davis will definitely have a hard time landing a good clean punch if he cannot reach Ryan, but what happened was the exact opposite because it's Ryan who adjusted to give Tank the control of the fight, which explains why Tank didn't have any hard time giving Ryan a good counter punch that knocked him down in two separate rounds.

Ryan Garcia is too eager to KO Davis and relies heavily on his hook. Davis had expected it so he is prepared and read the situation very well. The counter that KD Ryan Garcia on the second round was so beautiful to watch. It is almost a hidden punch that most viewers have not seen(thankfully there is a replay).

With regards to the trainer, I also think that the trainer had wasted the advantages of Ryan Garcia. He should have practiced Ryan Garcia of evading tactics where Ryan is the one back pedalling instead of moving forward. Even though Davis planned to backpedal so that he can easily move forward to lessen the distance, Ryan should have not taken those bait instead he should have planted his feet not moving forward and wait for Davis instead to initiate.

But what happened happens. It shows the immaturity of Ryan Garcia and the incapability of his training camp of setting a good strategy against a skilled and High IQ boxer.

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Gervonta Davis-Ryan Garcia: Approximately 1.2M PPV Buys; $22.8M In Ticket Revenue

We all knew that Davis vs Garcia was a great success but it also exceeded the expectation of some in terms of pay-per-view, especially in the US.

Have read an article that even if it only generated 450k to 750k view, it would still be a success but damn that 1.2 millions views was massive if that was an accurate figure they gave there. I wonder how much money if that views were translated in dollars and how much share would Garcia and Davis would get from it.

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Quote from: Natalim on April 28, 2023, 02:52:27 PM

Well, I think both Ryan Garcia and Goosen made a mistake because they didn't prepared for that fight well but they expected a different outcome. Goosen should've planted into Ryan Garcia's thick head that he should use his size advantage because Tank Davis will definitely have a hard time landing a good clean punch if he cannot reach Ryan, but what happened was the exact opposite because it's Ryan who adjusted to give Tank the control of the fight, which explains why Tank didn't have any hard time giving Ryan a good counter punch that knocked him down in two separate rounds.

Right because if only Ryan Garcia and his team made the right adjustment, they could've at least give Gervonta Davis a hard time rather than getting KO'd as early as 2nd round because of overcommitting rather than to wait patiently until Gervonta Davis will make the mistake for reaching Ryan Garcia. I clearly expected that after that incident, Ryan Garcia will try to clear his head because that move was obviously a mistake and would be cautious enough next time but he committed the same mistake again.

Anyway, Ryan Garcia already said that he's moving up while Tank might face the winner of Loma-Haney fight. Whatever it is, let's talk about that in a different thread because I think it's time for this discussion to be close.

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Yes, Tank is better than Garcia. This should not only silence Garcia in trash-talking against Tank, he should also be silenced in some of his arrogant trash-talks about him being the king, having been defeated by no other boxer, etc. He is defeated. He is even knocked out. And the knock out was humiliating in a sense because he was the one who refused to stand up, even if it was impossible to stand up. That is already something to some fans and opponents.

Although we can say now that Garcia is not on Tank's level, I really wonder where Garcia now if he hadn't faced all those challenges in his life which distracted his focus on boxing and affected his entire career.

Nah, he'll be alright. He didn't look disappointed after the fight, and he knew inside that Tank is really a tough fighter and that he could lose. We hate him because of his trash-talking ability, but in reality, that's what you call effective marketing on his side. So let's just hope for the best for Garcia, who suffered his first defeat. I'm confident that he'll come back strong soon!

I think Ryan should change his trainer he put up a very bad game plan, Roy Jones summarizes it by questioning who told Ryan to stalk a puncher like Davis, is it Goosen his trainer or he just acted on his own, Ryan has to change the way he boxes the head is always stationary he has a big left hook fighter who lacks ring generalship.
I believe Ryan still has a future in boxing but it is hard for him to be as great as his idol Manny Pacquiao, he will meet another highly technical boxer with a good ring generalship and power punch in the future and he should prepare for it, now he knows what's like to fight in a big fight like this, he is 0 title against a guy who is 12 - 0 in a title fight, so the result is pretty obvious.

That's what I have thought as well, maybe Goosen did a poor job on training or at least putting up a strategy on this fight against Davis. Although in the pre fight conference, he said that they have plan A and plan B.

However, we don't know if Ryan bypass it and just went with his own strategy which is to stalk a puncher like Tank and that his is downfall. His family is pretty close to Goosen though, then know each other so not sure if the Garcia's will look for another trainer or not. Remember that he was under the wing of Reynoso before he shift to Goosen in his last 3 fights.

Taking this loss as a good learning path to his career,

so instead of changing trainer better to try finding what's lacking him and adjust to be more prepared in case he will face another fighter with the same level as Tank or possible if a rematch may take place.

Improving needs time and it will be a good timing for him and Goosen to work it out and try to focus and stay
with what's the fight plan if in case he tries using his own strategy.

Yes indeed no need to change his trainer since he will adjust on new learnings again so better improve things that needed to work on. Its just one lost and he can still work more with that to learn a lot of things om what he experience from davis, he need to grow up since that fight reminds him that there are more better fighter than him.
Improvement really takes time but Garcia is talented fighter so for sure he can adjust and became more wiser after his unfortunate match.

Well, I think both Ryan Garcia and Goosen made a mistake because they didn't prepared for that fight well but they expected a different outcome. Goosen should've planted into Ryan Garcia's thick head that he should use his size advantage because Tank Davis will definitely have a hard time landing a good clean punch if he cannot reach Ryan, but what happened was the exact opposite because it's Ryan who adjusted to give Tank the control of the fight, which explains why Tank didn't have any hard time giving Ryan a good counter punch that knocked him down in two separate rounds.

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Yes, Tank is better than Garcia. This should not only silence Garcia in trash-talking against Tank, he should also be silenced in some of his arrogant trash-talks about him being the king, having been defeated by no other boxer, etc. He is defeated. He is even knocked out. And the knock out was humiliating in a sense because he was the one who refused to stand up, even if it was impossible to stand up. That is already something to some fans and opponents.

Although we can say now that Garcia is not on Tank's level, I really wonder where Garcia now if he hadn't faced all those challenges in his life which distracted his focus on boxing and affected his entire career.

Nah, he'll be alright. He didn't look disappointed after the fight, and he knew inside that Tank is really a tough fighter and that he could lose. We hate him because of his trash-talking ability, but in reality, that's what you call effective marketing on his side. So let's just hope for the best for Garcia, who suffered his first defeat. I'm confident that he'll come back strong soon!

I think Ryan should change his trainer he put up a very bad game plan, Roy Jones summarizes it by questioning who told Ryan to stalk a puncher like Davis, is it Goosen his trainer or he just acted on his own, Ryan has to change the way he boxes the head is always stationary he has a big left hook fighter who lacks ring generalship.
I believe Ryan still has a future in boxing but it is hard for him to be as great as his idol Manny Pacquiao, he will meet another highly technical boxer with a good ring generalship and power punch in the future and he should prepare for it, now he knows what's like to fight in a big fight like this, he is 0 title against a guy who is 12 - 0 in a title fight, so the result is pretty obvious.

That's what I have thought as well, maybe Goosen did a poor job on training or at least putting up a strategy on this fight against Davis. Although in the pre fight conference, he said that they have plan A and plan B.

However, we don't know if Ryan bypass it and just went with his own strategy which is to stalk a puncher like Tank and that his is downfall. His family is pretty close to Goosen though, then know each other so not sure if the Garcia's will look for another trainer or not. Remember that he was under the wing of Reynoso before he shift to Goosen in his last 3 fights.

Taking this loss as a good learning path to his career,

so instead of changing trainer better to try finding what's lacking him and adjust to be more prepared in case he will face another fighter with the same level as Tank or possible if a rematch may take place.

Improving needs time and it will be a good timing for him and Goosen to work it out and try to focus and stay
with what's the fight plan if in case he tries using his own strategy.

Yes indeed no need to change his trainer since he will adjust on new learnings again so better improve things that needed to work on. Its just one lost and he can still work more with that to learn a lot of things om what he experience from davis, he need to grow up since that fight reminds him that there are more better fighter than him.
Improvement really takes time but Garcia is talented fighter so for sure he can adjust and became more wiser after his unfortunate match.

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Yes, Tank is better than Garcia. This should not only silence Garcia in trash-talking against Tank, he should also be silenced in some of his arrogant trash-talks about him being the king, having been defeated by no other boxer, etc. He is defeated. He is even knocked out. And the knock out was humiliating in a sense because he was the one who refused to stand up, even if it was impossible to stand up. That is already something to some fans and opponents.

Although we can say now that Garcia is not on Tank's level, I really wonder where Garcia now if he hadn't faced all those challenges in his life which distracted his focus on boxing and affected his entire career.

Nah, he'll be alright. He didn't look disappointed after the fight, and he knew inside that Tank is really a tough fighter and that he could lose. We hate him because of his trash-talking ability, but in reality, that's what you call effective marketing on his side. So let's just hope for the best for Garcia, who suffered his first defeat. I'm confident that he'll come back strong soon!

I think Ryan should change his trainer he put up a very bad game plan, Roy Jones summarizes it by questioning who told Ryan to stalk a puncher like Davis, is it Goosen his trainer or he just acted on his own, Ryan has to change the way he boxes the head is always stationary he has a big left hook fighter who lacks ring generalship.
I believe Ryan still has a future in boxing but it is hard for him to be as great as his idol Manny Pacquiao, he will meet another highly technical boxer with a good ring generalship and power punch in the future and he should prepare for it, now he knows what's like to fight in a big fight like this, he is 0 title against a guy who is 12 - 0 in a title fight, so the result is pretty obvious.

That's what I have thought as well, maybe Goosen did a poor job on training or at least putting up a strategy on this fight against Davis. Although in the pre fight conference, he said that they have plan A and plan B.

However, we don't know if Ryan bypass it and just went with his own strategy which is to stalk a puncher like Tank and that his is downfall. His family is pretty close to Goosen though, then know each other so not sure if the Garcia's will look for another trainer or not. Remember that he was under the wing of Reynoso before he shift to Goosen in his last 3 fights.

Taking this loss as a good learning path to his career,

so instead of changing trainer better to try finding what's lacking him and adjust to be more prepared in case he will face another fighter with the same level as Tank or possible if a rematch may take place.

If Garcia's family has that close relationship with Goosen, it might be possible that he will going to stay and he
will try improving his skills and add more to then again impress his fans.

Improving needs time and it will be a good timing for him and Goosen to work it out and try to focus and stay
with what's the fight plan if in case he tries using his own strategy.

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Yes, Tank is better than Garcia. This should not only silence Garcia in trash-talking against Tank, he should also be silenced in some of his arrogant trash-talks about him being the king, having been defeated by no other boxer, etc. He is defeated. He is even knocked out. And the knock out was humiliating in a sense because he was the one who refused to stand up, even if it was impossible to stand up. That is already something to some fans and opponents.

Although we can say now that Garcia is not on Tank's level, I really wonder where Garcia now if he hadn't faced all those challenges in his life which distracted his focus on boxing and affected his entire career.

Nah, he'll be alright. He didn't look disappointed after the fight, and he knew inside that Tank is really a tough fighter and that he could lose. We hate him because of his trash-talking ability, but in reality, that's what you call effective marketing on his side. So let's just hope for the best for Garcia, who suffered his first defeat. I'm confident that he'll come back strong soon!

We will see in his next fight. We can only hope that he will be all right and he will quickly recover and do beautiful boxing once again. He still got a lot of fans and he can still offer a lot in terms of boxing entertainment.

But I don't agree that he didn't look disappointed after the fight. He actually looked down and weak in the interviews right after the fight. And that's normal. He was showing disappointment. The first words that he uttered in the interviews right after the fight was, "it's disappointing."

Certainly because he was really expecting to defeat Tank Davis and could use his advantage over the regular champion, I know he prepared for the fight which explains his confidence in their face-offs. But Tank again proved why he holds the belt and not him, for Tank, Ryan Garcia is just a mere challenger who happens to have a good knockout chance but his record is not really appealing because the guys he defeated is much weaker compared to Tank's record.

Still, there is an enough time for Ryan Garcia to bounce back from this defeat. He is still way too young and what happened to him doesn't actually mean that his career is over. He already got the right advantage to anyone he will be facing, he just have to equip it properly so that he can pave a way to land that deadly hook.

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...And with that win, I shoot up Tank to be my #1 p4p list, followed by Naoya Inoue.

How about everyone? What do you think of Tank's performance here, are you with me ranking him the top p4p boxer right now?

Jeez, mate! You need to relax and take a breath. You just got carried away by the popularity of Tank and Garcia. Tank just beat another undefeated prospect. Only that it is more popular than his previous cherry-picked opponents. Garcia is not a world champion. Tommy Fury beating popular Jake Paul doesn't mean he is on the same level as champions Opetaia, Okolie, etc.

Tank's never been in The Ring's and Transnational Boxing Rankings Board's top 10 pound-for-pound. And his win against another undefeated yet unproven and non-champion Ryan Garcia won't merit an entrance to the top 10 let alone at rank 1.

No, I'm not, that's how I see it though, but at least let Tank be in the top 10 now. I just check Ring's list of p4p and I saw Juan Francisco Estrada at number 10. Nevertheless, might be the start for Tank to really up his opposition, maybe he should really fight the winner of Loma vs Haney.

Barring boxing politics and network affiliation, this could easily be made. Although Tank was asked this question if I'm not mistaken, but he didn't answer it directly. While Haney said he is willing to fight Tank next. Let's see how it goes, as I have said, this performance will at least break him in the top 10, IMHO. Josh Taylor is number 9 when he has a very close fight with Jack Catterall and almost lost that fight.

I cannot really imagine how Tank can enter the top 10. His resume is just too weak that he is not even worth mentioning in the top 15. Tank is only a 1 division champion, that's it. And he was not the lineal champ when he became a champ at 130. He's never been in a unification fight. His best win was over former champ Jose Pedraza where Tank took the IBF belt. The best name in his resume was Yuriorkis Gamboa but that was not the quality version of Gamboa. Or maybe Leo Santa Cruz, a 4 division champion. LSC though despite being a 4 division champion will never be mentioned among the greats since he was a product of politics and corruption. Probably the only fighter that was given the privilege to fight for the vacant belt in 4 divisions.

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Although recently, Tank is not listed by Ring as number 10 now. Maybe they just updated it to include Tank and removed Juan Francisco Estrada, and this is the first time that Tank is making it on the top 10.

Maybe he will start to climb in the ranks now, depending on who he is going to face next. I know that p4p list is very dubious and it's very different across, SI lists include David Benavidez, Shakur Stevenson and Devin Haney. So we can argue that those should not be in the list as well, specially David Benavidez. So I guess the organization that released their list could have some reasoning behind them.

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^^ I don't know if that is a good idea for Ryan to choose another trainer/coach. Just look at Anthony Joshua, when he suffered his first lost and then change trainers or it went downfall for him. Back to back losses to Usyk and now if he wants to comeback, he will have a new trainer in his corner. So doesn't make sense as it is the fighter who will be on the ring and it's just the trainer who tries to bring out the best of the boxers. So for me, stick with Goosen, it's just Tank is the better fighter that's it. No amount of strategy can prepare Ryan for that fight and overcome and pull an upset.

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Yes, Tank is better than Garcia. This should not only silence Garcia in trash-talking against Tank, he should also be silenced in some of his arrogant trash-talks about him being the king, having been defeated by no other boxer, etc. He is defeated. He is even knocked out. And the knock out was humiliating in a sense because he was the one who refused to stand up, even if it was impossible to stand up. That is already something to some fans and opponents.

Although we can say now that Garcia is not on Tank's level, I really wonder where Garcia now if he hadn't faced all those challenges in his life which distracted his focus on boxing and affected his entire career.

Nah, he'll be alright. He didn't look disappointed after the fight, and he knew inside that Tank is really a tough fighter and that he could lose. We hate him because of his trash-talking ability, but in reality, that's what you call effective marketing on his side. So let's just hope for the best for Garcia, who suffered his first defeat. I'm confident that he'll come back strong soon!

I think Ryan should change his trainer he put up a very bad game plan, Roy Jones summarizes it by questioning who told Ryan to stalk a puncher like Davis, is it Goosen his trainer or he just acted on his own, Ryan has to change the way he boxes the head is always stationary he has a big left hook fighter who lacks ring generalship.
I believe Ryan still has a future in boxing but it is hard for him to be as great as his idol Manny Pacquiao, he will meet another highly technical boxer with a good ring generalship and power punch in the future and he should prepare for it, now he knows what's like to fight in a big fight like this, he is 0 title against a guy who is 12 - 0 in a title fight, so the result is pretty obvious.

That's what I have thought as well, maybe Goosen did a poor job on training or at least putting up a strategy on this fight against Davis. Although in the pre fight conference, he said that they have plan A and plan B.

However, we don't know if Ryan bypass it and just went with his own strategy which is to stalk a puncher like Tank and that his is downfall. His family is pretty close to Goosen though, then know each other so not sure if the Garcia's will look for another trainer or not. Remember that he was under the wing of Reynoso before he shift to Goosen in his last 3 fights.

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 26, 2023, 11:10:52 PM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on April 26, 2023, 10:34:03 PM

Yes, Tank is better than Garcia. This should not only silence Garcia in trash-talking against Tank, he should also be silenced in some of his arrogant trash-talks about him being the king, having been defeated by no other boxer, etc. He is defeated. He is even knocked out. And the knock out was humiliating in a sense because he was the one who refused to stand up, even if it was impossible to stand up. That is already something to some fans and opponents.

Although we can say now that Garcia is not on Tank's level, I really wonder where Garcia now if he hadn't faced all those challenges in his life which distracted his focus on boxing and affected his entire career.

Nah, he'll be alright. He didn't look disappointed after the fight, and he knew inside that Tank is really a tough fighter and that he could lose. We hate him because of his trash-talking ability, but in reality, that's what you call effective marketing on his side. So let's just hope for the best for Garcia, who suffered his first defeat. I'm confident that he'll come back strong soon!

I think Ryan should change his trainer he put up a very bad game plan, Roy Jones summarizes it by questioning who told Ryan to stalk a puncher like Davis, is it Goosen his trainer or he just acted on his own, Ryan has to change the way he boxes the head is always stationary he has a big left hook fighter who lacks ring generalship.
I believe Ryan still has a future in boxing but it is hard for him to be as great as his idol Manny Pacquiao, he will meet another highly technical boxer with a good ring generalship and power punch in the future and he should prepare for it, now he knows what's like to fight in a big fight like this, he is 0 title against a guy who is 12 - 0 in a title fight, so the result is pretty obvious.

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 26, 2023, 11:10:52 PM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on April 26, 2023, 10:34:03 PM

Yes, Tank is better than Garcia. This should not only silence Garcia in trash-talking against Tank, he should also be silenced in some of his arrogant trash-talks about him being the king, having been defeated by no other boxer, etc. He is defeated. He is even knocked out. And the knock out was humiliating in a sense because he was the one who refused to stand up, even if it was impossible to stand up. That is already something to some fans and opponents.

Although we can say now that Garcia is not on Tank's level, I really wonder where Garcia now if he hadn't faced all those challenges in his life which distracted his focus on boxing and affected his entire career.

Nah, he'll be alright. He didn't look disappointed after the fight, and he knew inside that Tank is really a tough fighter and that he could lose. We hate him because of his trash-talking ability, but in reality, that's what you call effective marketing on his side. So let's just hope for the best for Garcia, who suffered his first defeat. I'm confident that he'll come back strong soon!

We will see in his next fight. We can only hope that he will be all right and he will quickly recover and do beautiful boxing once again. He still got a lot of fans and he can still offer a lot in terms of boxing entertainment.

But I don't agree that he didn't look disappointed after the fight. He actually looked down and weak in the interviews right after the fight. And that's normal. He was showing disappointment. The first words that he uttered in the interviews right after the fight was, "it's disappointing."

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Quote from: Japinat on April 27, 2023, 04:04:07 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on April 26, 2023, 11:10:52 PM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on April 26, 2023, 10:34:03 PM

Yes, Tank is better than Garcia. This should not only silence Garcia in trash-talking against Tank, he should also be silenced in some of his arrogant trash-talks about him being the king, having been defeated by no other boxer, etc. He is defeated. He is even knocked out. And the knock out was humiliating in a sense because he was the one who refused to stand up, even if it was impossible to stand up. That is already something to some fans and opponents.

Although we can say now that Garcia is not on Tank's level, I really wonder where Garcia now if he hadn't faced all those challenges in his life which distracted his focus on boxing and affected his entire career.

Nah, he'll be alright. He didn't look disappointed after the fight, and he knew inside that Tank is really a tough fighter and that he could lose. We hate him because of his trash-talking ability, but in reality, that's what you call effective marketing on his side. So let's just hope for the best for Garcia, who suffered his first defeat. I'm confident that he'll come back strong soon!

Exactly! It's still a win-win situation on his part because at the end of the day, he will have a guaranteed millions of dollars as that fight was dubbed as the mega-fight of the year and don't forget, that same fight made a history to be the first event in T-Mobile Arena that generated almost $23 Million just in ticket sales alone.
Besides, Ryan Garcia also he knew that he will not be fighting again at 135 in the future and will pursue his career in the next weight class that is currently dominated by the former undisputed champion, Josh Taylor.

That could be a good fight for him, as he'll surely be more comfortable in that weight class. Choosing an opponent between Tank and Josh Taylor, I think he'll have a better chance against Josh Taylor. However, it will not be that easy, as he is coming from a loss, and he will be starting in a new division, so he needs to improve his ranking first before he can have another championship fight.

At least he can learn from his experience on his first defeat. It's not easy, but it gives him a reality check that too much trash-talking will not help him improve as a boxer. As of now, let's just wait for updates on Ryan Garcia. This man deserves a little rest after that big fight, though.

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 26, 2023, 11:10:52 PM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on April 26, 2023, 10:34:03 PM

Yes, Tank is better than Garcia. This should not only silence Garcia in trash-talking against Tank, he should also be silenced in some of his arrogant trash-talks about him being the king, having been defeated by no other boxer, etc. He is defeated. He is even knocked out. And the knock out was humiliating in a sense because he was the one who refused to stand up, even if it was impossible to stand up. That is already something to some fans and opponents.

Although we can say now that Garcia is not on Tank's level, I really wonder where Garcia now if he hadn't faced all those challenges in his life which distracted his focus on boxing and affected his entire career.

Nah, he'll be alright. He didn't look disappointed after the fight, and he knew inside that Tank is really a tough fighter and that he could lose. We hate him because of his trash-talking ability, but in reality, that's what you call effective marketing on his side. So let's just hope for the best for Garcia, who suffered his first defeat. I'm confident that he'll come back strong soon!

Exactly! It's still a win-win situation on his part because at the end of the day, he will have a guaranteed millions of dollars as that fight was dubbed as the mega-fight of the year and don't forget, that same fight made a history to be the first event in T-Mobile Arena that generated almost $23 Million just in ticket sales alone.
Besides, Ryan Garcia also he knew that he will not be fighting again at 135 in the future and will pursue his career in the next weight class that is currently dominated by the former undisputed champion, Josh Taylor.

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