[CHESS] FIDE Candidates Chess Tournament 2022 - page 3.

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 21, 2023, 12:02:29 PM

In the meantime, Pragnanadha beat Caruana and we will see the final I wanted. Hopefully Pragnanadha will be able to surprise Magnus with something.

My guy Pragg getting into finals with Magnus will be a thing to watch. The draw that happened would have been won by Fabi had he noticed that single pawn E5 move, though that's only me making sense of what I watched at the time and I'm pretty sure Pragg would have taken a countermeasure in order to evade being defeated. I'm rooting for Pragg to win a game against Magnus, but given that he (Magnus) hadn't won the title yet, he's pretty much prepared to take this win and seal the deal.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on August 21, 2023, 11:12:50 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on August 20, 2023, 12:47:21 PM

Magnus is (so far) the favorite against any chess player. At the moment, Magnus is number 1 in the FIDE rating, and Ivanchuk is 66th. The difference in ratings is 163 points, which implies an 80% chance that Magnus will win, and given that this is not a separate game, the chances are close to 99%. It's just math, no disrespect.

Yup- I understand completely and I apologize if my tone sounded too harsh. I do agree, the difference in rating is really staggering given that we are in the era of chess engines but Magnus can still defeat Super GMs as if they are nothing. I guess what really separates him is his endgame skills and mastery of the game.
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No problem friend! I understood you. What really sets him apart from other chess players (and sometimes infuriates me) is his endgame play. He likes to play positions that are already theoretically drawable up to an extra 20-30 moves (in the hope of an opponent's mistake) and it must be admitted that this quite often gives him a victory. I understand that this is a top class skill, but from the outside (especially in classical chess) it often looks excruciatingly boring.

In the meantime, Pragnanadha beat Caruana and we will see the final I wanted. Hopefully Pragnanadha will be able to surprise Magnus with something.

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 20, 2023, 12:47:21 PM

Magnus is (so far) the favorite against any chess player. At the moment, Magnus is number 1 in the FIDE rating, and Ivanchuk is 66th. The difference in ratings is 163 points, which implies an 80% chance that Magnus will win, and given that this is not a separate game, the chances are close to 99%. It's just math, no disrespect.

Yup- I understand completely and I apologize if my tone sounded too harsh. I do agree, the difference in rating is really staggering given that we are in the era of chess engines but Magnus can still defeat Super GMs as if they are nothing. I guess what really separates him is his endgame skills and mastery of the game.

Quote from: teosanru on August 20, 2023, 12:59:49 PM

Magnus is obviously Magnus. You will rarely see him actually getting defeated, losing to Duda was also a big exception that we saw, but yes Abasov will be pretty happy on this, playing candidates is in itself a big thing for him. If it would have been before the quarters of Pragg vs Arjun I would have said, Fabi will take it. But Pragg played so well in tie breakers in quarters I doubt it'll be easy to take him down. It'll be a big test of Fabi and even a small mistake can cost him the ticket to finals.

As much as I want Prag to win, I do want to see a finals between Fabi vs Magnus; like they are re-creating their 2018 WCC where both Fabi and Magnus drew all of their 14 games with each other. What really made a difference is when they switched the time format from classical to a faster time format (rapid + blitz) where Magnus dominated Fabi.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on August 20, 2023, 12:31:35 PM

Hey guys- what are your thoughts on the game between Abasov and Carlsen?

The match ended a few hours ago and I cannot help but to give Abasov a huge congratulations for reaching this far in this tournament! By far, this is probably his greatest run ever yet, defeating Giri, Vidit, and Peter Svidler on the FIDE World Chess Cup 2023. I really think that he has a bright future ahead of him as these matches skyrocketed his classical rating to around +2700.

Well, Magnus doing Magnus things when he grinded out the game into a draw with the black pieces against the London System opening, thereby securing his spot in the finals!

For Fabi vs Prag, their match ended again with a draw and the tie breaks would happen tomorrow- who do you guys think would win on this match?

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FIDE is the only tournament where Magnus has YET to won. Last 2021, he lost to Duda in the semi-finals and I really think that Magnus is hungry in winning this tournament!

Magnus is obviously Magnus. You will rarely see him actually getting defeated, losing to Duda was also a big exception that we saw, but yes Abasov will be pretty happy on this, playing candidates is in itself a big thing for him. If it would have been before the quarters of Pragg vs Arjun I would have said, Fabi will take it. But Pragg played so well in tie breakers in quarters I doubt it'll be easy to take him down. It'll be a big test of Fabi and even a small mistake can cost him the ticket to finals.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on August 19, 2023, 10:57:21 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on August 19, 2023, 08:34:32 AM

A victory over Ivanchuk was expected since Ivanchuk has already left big chess and plays for pleasure, but he was once considered a real competitor to Kasparov and a contender for the crown.

I do not think that the victory against Ivanchuk is not expected. Imagine, he has been playing competitively at his age and he also defeated some super GMs in some tournaments. While he is definitely not in his prime, saying that a victory against him was "expected" somehow invalidates his chess prowess.
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Magnus is (so far) the favorite against any chess player. At the moment, Magnus is number 1 in the FIDE rating, and Ivanchuk is 66th. The difference in ratings is 163 points, which implies an 80% chance that Magnus will win, and given that this is not a separate game, the chances are close to 99%. It's just math, no disrespect.

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Hey guys- what are your thoughts on the game between Abasov and Carlsen?

The match ended a few hours ago and I cannot help but to give Abasov a huge congratulations for reaching this far in this tournament! By far, this is probably his greatest run ever yet, defeating Giri, Vidit, and Peter Svidler on the FIDE World Chess Cup 2023. I really think that he has a bright future ahead of him as these matches skyrocketed his classical rating to around +2700.

Well, Magnus doing Magnus things when he grinded out the game into a draw with the black pieces against the London System opening, thereby securing his spot in the finals!

For Fabi vs Prag, their match ended again with a draw and the tie breaks would happen tomorrow- who do you guys think would win on this match?

FUN FACT:
FIDE is the only tournament where Magnus has YET to won. Last 2021, he lost to Duda in the semi-finals and I really think that Magnus is hungry in winning this tournament!

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 19, 2023, 08:34:32 AM

Quote from: qwertyup23 on August 14, 2023, 04:17:18 AM

What are your thoughts on the recent matches on the FIDE World Chess Cup 2023?

I watched the game between Ivanchuk vs Magnus and Magnus won with a score of 2-0 against the legend himself.

During their first game, Magnus was able to grind down the game during the middle game leaving that e6 pawn too strong for Vasyl to hold. On their second game yesterday, Magnus, with the black pieces, managed to get a drawing position (which he believed that he could grind it for a win) which prompted Vasyl to resign.

Fabi was also able to win against Duda and the former mentioned in an interview that the lines he played was inspired from his preparation against Magnus since their match on the 2018 WCC.

Who do you think will win for this year's FIDE World Chess Cup 2023?

A victory over Ivanchuk was expected since Ivanchuk has already left big chess and plays for pleasure, but he was once considered a real competitor to Kasparov and a contender for the crown.
I don't think that Abasov will be a problem for Carlsen, I'm more interested in the second pair - I hope Pragnanadhi wins. Caruana is also a player of the past, I want to see how the new generation replaces the previous one.

casua or not Ivanchuk is a great player that has been paired with multiple legends like Carlsen and Kasparov. For him to fall in grace and end the tourmament on a pretty low note is nothing to be expected. I’m not saying he should’ve wom the whole event or whatnot. Just hoping he would’ve given us a better performance than what he was able to put out in tve tournament. He’s a capable player, it’s not like he stopped playing chess although I do understand the gap between casual and competitive chess is extremely high.

Hoping that he’d put out better performances in the future. Carlsen will keep doing carlsen things, he’s not even trying anymore besides the fact that he’s pushing for a higher chess rating lol.

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 19, 2023, 08:34:32 AM

A victory over Ivanchuk was expected since Ivanchuk has already left big chess and plays for pleasure, but he was once considered a real competitor to Kasparov and a contender for the crown.

I do not think that the victory against Ivanchuk is not expected. Imagine, he has been playing competitively at his age and he also defeated some super GMs in some tournaments. While he is definitely not in his prime, saying that a victory against him was "expected" somehow invalidates his chess prowess.

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I don't think that Abasov will be a problem for Carlsen, I'm more interested in the second pair - I hope Pragnanadhi wins. Caruana is also a player of the past, I want to see how the new generation replaces the previous one.

Actually, the game between Abasov and Carlsen just ended a few minutes ago and Carlsen was able to snatch a victory! It was a tough game but Abasov blundered a pawn in which his position became worse at the end.

It is true- the game between Fabi vs Prag is definitely interesting given that Prag is now a qualifier for the next candidates! He is now the 3rd youngest player to even participate in the candidates, with Boby Fischer and Magnus being 1st and 2nd respectively.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on August 14, 2023, 04:17:18 AM

What are your thoughts on the recent matches on the FIDE World Chess Cup 2023?

I watched the game between Ivanchuk vs Magnus and Magnus won with a score of 2-0 against the legend himself.

During their first game, Magnus was able to grind down the game during the middle game leaving that e6 pawn too strong for Vasyl to hold. On their second game yesterday, Magnus, with the black pieces, managed to get a drawing position (which he believed that he could grind it for a win) which prompted Vasyl to resign.

Fabi was also able to win against Duda and the former mentioned in an interview that the lines he played was inspired from his preparation against Magnus since their match on the 2018 WCC.

Who do you think will win for this year's FIDE World Chess Cup 2023?

A victory over Ivanchuk was expected since Ivanchuk has already left big chess and plays for pleasure, but he was once considered a real competitor to Kasparov and a contender for the crown.
I don't think that Abasov will be a problem for Carlsen, I'm more interested in the second pair - I hope Pragnanadhi wins. Caruana is also a player of the past, I want to see how the new generation replaces the previous one.

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What are your thoughts on the recent matches on the FIDE World Chess Cup 2023?

I watched the game between Ivanchuk vs Magnus and Magnus won with a score of 2-0 against the legend himself.

During their first game, Magnus was able to grind down the game during the middle game leaving that e6 pawn too strong for Vasyl to hold. On their second game yesterday, Magnus, with the black pieces, managed to get a drawing position (which he believed that he could grind it for a win) which prompted Vasyl to resign.

Fabi was also able to win against Duda and the former mentioned in an interview that the lines he played was inspired from his preparation against Magnus since their match on the 2018 WCC.

Who do you think will win for this year's FIDE World Chess Cup 2023?

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Quote from: Boristhecat on June 30, 2022, 07:12:13 AM

After yesterday's defeat by Caruana, Nepomniachtchi is 1.5 points ahead and now it is almost guaranteed to win the tournament - there has never been a case in the history of chess when the leader did not win the Candidates Tournament with a 1.5 point advantage. Quotes bookmakers, by the way, are very generous:

Win in tournament Yes No

Nepomniachtchi Jan 1.22 3.80
Nakamura X 4.70 1.15
Ding Liren 10.00 1.03
Caruana F 10.00 1.03

What website do you guys use to place bets (with BTC) on chess game/tournament results?

Given that the OP has been inactive for some time, I will answer for him. I'm interested in chess, but it's almost impossible to find an acceptable option to bet on it (especially with the use of cryptocurrencies). Personally, I look at the odds (for the sake of evaluating chanses of players) at local fiat bookmakers (most of which are scammers lol).

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Quote from: Boristhecat on June 30, 2022, 07:12:13 AM

After yesterday's defeat by Caruana, Nepomniachtchi is 1.5 points ahead and now it is almost guaranteed to win the tournament - there has never been a case in the history of chess when the leader did not win the Candidates Tournament with a 1.5 point advantage. Quotes bookmakers, by the way, are very generous:

Win in tournament Yes No

Nepomniachtchi Jan 1.22 3.80
Nakamura X 4.70 1.15
Ding Liren 10.00 1.03
Caruana F 10.00 1.03

What website do you guys use to place bets (with BTC) on chess game/tournament results?

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on June 12, 2023, 11:45:12 AM

Nakamura displayed an aggressive style in the majority of his games during this tournament. I believe this was one of the key factors that enabled him to reach the top and secure the championship. Conversely, Carlsen experienced some struggles with a few bad games and even had drawn matches that he could have won. Although it wasn't a particularly good run for him, I have faith that he will bounce back stronger in the future.

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Quote from: KTChampions on June 13, 2023, 12:29:09 PM

There are no miracles. Carlsen, firstly, began to age, secondly, he lost motivation and trains little (this is clearly visible, since thanks to the news we follow how he lives and there is not much chess there), this inevitably led to a decrease in sports performance. Now he has two options: to drastically change his lifestyle and return to chess, which will undoubtedly return him to the top without any problems, or continue to live as he is now and be surpassed by young players in the course of a couple of years.

this reminds me of the idea that either you believe that everything is a miracle or nothing is

it's normal in life to have a peak of performance at some point, we don't have to be the best forever and it's totally ok if Carlson decides to pursue other objectives

Some say we'll have the view of the mountain we decide to climb, maybe he had enough of chess

Yes, despite the fact that lately he has been actively playing in many tournaments (and winning most of them), he does not follow a sports regimen (as Nepomniachtchi says and as can be seen in his streams) and the decrease in his motivation is obvious. The only reason why he hasn't been knocked out of first place yet is that he competes mainly against "old" chess players like Neponmichny, So, Caruana, etc. The younger generation in the person of Firuja, Indian grandmasters has not yet said their word, but I think a clear leader will soon stand out among them, this is a matter of a couple of years.

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What are your thoughts on Hikaru Nakamura winning Norway Chess 2023?

I heard that this is by far, the worst tournament that Magnus Carslen had participated in which he did not garner a single win in his classical matches. What do you guys think? Will this fuel and ignite the burning passion that he once had with chess and focus on winning on the next following tournaments?
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There are no miracles. Carlsen, firstly, began to age, secondly, he lost motivation and trains little (this is clearly visible, since thanks to the news we follow how he lives and there is not much chess there), this inevitably led to a decrease in sports performance. Now he has two options: to drastically change his lifestyle and return to chess, which will undoubtedly return him to the top without any problems, or continue to live as he is now and be surpassed by young players in the course of a couple of years.

this reminds me of the idea that either you believe that everything is a miracle or nothing is

it's normal in life to have a peak of performance at some point, we don't have to be the best forever and it's totally ok if Carlson decides to pursue other objectives

Some say we'll have the view of the mountain we decide to climb, maybe he had enough of chess

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on June 12, 2023, 11:45:12 AM

What are your thoughts on Hikaru Nakamura winning Norway Chess 2023?

I heard that this is by far, the worst tournament that Magnus Carslen had participated in which he did not garner a single win in his classical matches. What do you guys think? Will this fuel and ignite the burning passion that he once had with chess and focus on winning on the next following tournaments?
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There are no miracles. Carlsen, firstly, began to age, secondly, he lost motivation and trains little (this is clearly visible, since thanks to the news we follow how he lives and there is not much chess there), this inevitably led to a decrease in sports performance. Now he has two options: to drastically change his lifestyle and return to chess, which will undoubtedly return him to the top without any problems, or continue to live as he is now and be surpassed by young players in the course of a couple of years.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on June 12, 2023, 11:45:12 AM

What are your thoughts on Hikaru Nakamura winning Norway Chess 2023?

I heard that this is by far, the worst tournament that Magnus Carslen had participated in which he did not garner a single win in his classical matches. What do you guys think? Will this fuel and ignite the burning passion that he once had with chess and focus on winning on the next following tournaments?

I might be really late to the news but I thought he retired. I remember watching a video clip on youtube talking about how he is retired, and I even stumbled on an article where he was quoted where he said he doesn't feel motivated to play chess anymore(or at least not the same as the one he had years ago).

congrats to Hikaru Nakamura btw!

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What are your thoughts on Hikaru Nakamura winning Norway Chess 2023?

I heard that this is by far, the worst tournament that Magnus Carslen had participated in which he did not garner a single win in his classical matches. What do you guys think? Will this fuel and ignite the burning passion that he once had with chess and focus on winning on the next following tournaments?

Hikaru had a great game in which he was against Fabiano Caruana on the last game. Though I was really rooting for Fabi to win, it is nice to see other Super GMs winning tournaments other than Magnus.

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I really do think that we need to create a separate board for future chess tournament discussions rather than having to reply in this thread, which is about FIDE Candidates that happened last 2022.

Photo taken from: https://www.chess.com/news/view/nakamura-wins-2023-norway-chess-round-9

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on May 21, 2023, 06:24:57 PM

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It is not true. Classical chess is now played with about the same frequency as before, or even less (but certainly not more). Previously, rapid chess or blitz was considered a marginal niche and no one took it seriously, but now times have changed and no one is interested in watching a game that lasts several hours. Plus, the development of the Internet allows players to play almost around the clock (if they have the strength) and this is in demand both by spectators and sponsors.

I do agree that Classical Chess is now played more in this day and age.

The problem with watching Classical Chess is the time that each players take a move. Since it takes around more than 3+ hours for the game to finish, it is relatively hard to captivate an audience in finishing a given match. This is the reason on why more rapid and blitz time formats are played regularly in these hosted and prestigious tournaments.

I strongly believe that Chess is in a good position now. Lots of streamers (e.g. Naroditsky, Nakamura, Botez sisters, Levi, etc.) are now hosting more and more videos that increase viewership in this sport.

I remember that Kasparov in one of his interviews said that with the advent of the Internet, chess has greatly increased its audience and popularity, and the only reason why it is not very striking is that other games have progressed in a similar way.
But classical chess is a completely different story - I often watch streams or highlights of chess streams, but I don’t remember anyone playing classical chess online (maybe only during covid). This is an unwatchable format, and in fact, chess players themselves now rather perceive such games as torture (which they are ready for only for the sake of serious profit).

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