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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 17, 2019, 06:56:51 PM

Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on September 17, 2019, 02:24:50 AM

Maybe the Government is not looking at the Ban in China but looking at the opportunities that this could bring to the Philippines. According to a news report by CNN, the salaries paid to POGO employees are now higher than those who are in BPO's other wise known as call center agents. Also demand for office space also increased specially in Metro Manila area and Metro Cebu.

A ban is unlikely and if ever there is an effort for a ban it will pass through congress and it will take some time to amend the gambling laws and besides the government have received billions of pesos from online gambling which is a very huge help with the current administration ambitious build, build, build program.

The Philippines needs the money and the influx of these Chinese operating online gaming and not to mention the yen that they are pouring in the economy is good for the country, the only bad side is, these Chinese don't have respect to local ordinances, these Chinese should be given a lesson not to mess with local authorities or they will face deportation.
I think there should be a department set up for this by the regulators to make sure that they are going to respect local ordinances and abide in the laws here. We will see more Chinese coming in now because they find doing business here is great.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 17, 2019, 06:56:51 PM

Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on September 17, 2019, 02:24:50 AM

Maybe the Government is not looking at the Ban in China but looking at the opportunities that this could bring to the Philippines. According to a news report by CNN, the salaries paid to POGO employees are now higher than those who are in BPO's other wise known as call center agents. Also demand for office space also increased specially in Metro Manila area and Metro Cebu.

A ban is unlikely and if ever there is an effort for a ban it will pass through congress and it will take some time to amend the gambling laws and besides the government have received billions of pesos from online gambling which is a very huge help with the current administration ambitious build, build, build program.

Exactly, they are benefiting from POGO, so it's unlikely for the government to ban it.
Billions of money collected from POGO will help a lot for a developing nation like the Philippines and I'm pretty sure Philippines is aware of the gambling ban in China but the law that govern the Philippines is different from China, so Philippines enjoyed the benefit of the gambling ban from China.

Also, I think it will not help only foreign workers as they could also hire filipinos in their business, which means it opens an opportunity to increase employment opportunity and I think the salary is also attractive.

POGO operators plan to hire more Filipinos (old news though).

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on September 17, 2019, 02:24:50 AM

Maybe the Government is not looking at the Ban in China but looking at the opportunities that this could bring to the Philippines. According to a news report by CNN, the salaries paid to POGO employees are now higher than those who are in BPO's other wise known as call center agents. Also demand for office space also increased specially in Metro Manila area and Metro Cebu.

A ban is unlikely and if ever there is an effort for a ban it will pass through congress and it will take some time to amend the gambling laws and besides the government have received billions of pesos from online gambling which is a very huge help with the current administration ambitious build, build, build program.

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Maybe the Government is not looking at the Ban in China but looking at the opportunities that this could bring to the Philippines. According to a news report by CNN, the salaries paid to POGO employees are now higher than those who are in BPO's other wise known as call center agents. Also demand for office space also increased specially in Metro Manila area and Metro Cebu.

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How can that happen when the officials that give permits are all corrupted? Those bastards will definitely defend it that it helps contribute to the country by paying taxes. And if online gambling will be banned then the casinos will be petitioned to be ban as well which is never going to happen. I even saw in the local news that investment scams apply for a gambling permit and those Chinese can get it easily.

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Quote from: RivAngE on September 09, 2019, 01:43:22 AM

I don't know about Philippines, but China is becoming (if it not already is) the country of censorship and bans.
This is usually bad for the consumers since they are left with fewer choices.

Now... there could really be some danger and the banning is planning to protect the consumers, but China doesn't have the brightest past.

You cannot expect something different from a Communist Country’s mate

People are deprived by many things and only governments and those closest to them are having a good return

This same reason why Chinese chooses to live in another countries than on their own homeland,look how Chinese people scattered the world with dominance,and a trivia that only Chinese people is can be seen living in almost every part of each countries,just like in my mother land that I have been seeing Chinese even in those places that considered as provinces lol

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Quote from: RivAngE on September 09, 2019, 01:43:22 AM

I don't know about Philippines, but China is becoming (if it not already is) the country of censorship and bans.
This is usually bad for the consumers since they are left with fewer choices.

Now... there could really be some danger and the banning is planning to protect the consumers, but China doesn't have the brightest past.

I do not understand what you mean by china not having a bright past but they at least their economy is growing and favorable to their residents and they are about to make warnings and decisions because of the standard they have built. This is what I expect Philippines to also think of doing.

In my opinion, I don’t see anything wrong with the decision of china, if the Philippines find it offensive, then they should work on their economy also but as long as they are still below china, they should find a way to make their system better and also dependable rather than corrupting what has been built by another, I am in support of china in this case

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 08, 2019, 09:49:54 PM

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The Philippines was already humiliated with how the S China Sea issue is turning out, getting rid of an entire income stream just to appease the Chinese government would make it a laughing stock.

The West Philippine Sea issue is different and nothing to do with this one. How did you know that the Philippines is "getting rid of an entire income" on the West Philippine sea? Do you have insider that tells you what is happening?

Read my sentence again. I said the Philippines has already humiliated itself over the S China and getting rid of another income stream (aka online gambling) simply coz China asked it is further humiliation.

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Quote from: target on September 09, 2019, 02:49:45 AM

The issue is just the POGO and its all settled POGO stays just as always during the previous admins.

I don't understand why this news has created buzz when it's obvious that the government will never stop regulating this operation and the China has no control on the Philippines to stop this.

Philippines needs to improve their economy and they can only do that with the increase of tax collection, and this one is an opportunity so there's no sense they will let this stop just to facilitate the request of China. Philippines to be the gambling capital of the world seems to be possible in in the future because the government is very supportive and this is what gambling operators are looking for.

It is creating so much argument because of the way media has presented it. They make it look like the Chinese governments are bullying Philippines not minding or putting their existing relationship into consideration.

It is important for Philippine government to also try to grow their economy, legalizing gambling to avoid too many illegal gambling activities hereby collecting taxes from the gambling operators will not also be a bad idea. I believe if this was done, china wouldn’t intrude into their activities to ban gambling because they would see that gambling as a source of blessing rather than how it is being seen now.

That's how corrupt the politician in the Philippines, they have their own group of media who always go against the current administration, therefore people should be aware of this bad publicity because they if they will look deeper, they won't have to complain since this business is bring a lot of money to the Philippines through tax, and that's necessary to improve the economy of the Philippines.

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Quote from: Botnake on September 09, 2019, 04:11:04 AM

Quote from: target on September 09, 2019, 02:49:45 AM

The issue is just the POGO and its all settled POGO stays just as always during the previous admins.

I don't understand why this news has created buzz when it's obvious that the government will never stop regulating this operation and the China has no control on the Philippines to stop this.

Philippines needs to improve their economy and they can only do that with the increase of tax collection, and this one is an opportunity so there's no sense they will let this stop just to facilitate the request of China. Philippines to be the gambling capital of the world seems to be possible in in the future because the government is very supportive and this is what gambling operators are looking for.

It is creating so much argument because of the way media has presented it. They make it look like the Chinese governments are bullying Philippines not minding or putting their existing relationship into consideration.

It is important for Philippine government to also try to grow their economy, legalizing gambling to avoid too many illegal gambling activities hereby collecting taxes from the gambling operators will not also be a bad idea. I believe if this was done, china wouldn’t intrude into their activities to ban gambling because they would see that gambling as a source of blessing rather than how it is being seen now.

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I think this so called POGO is being exploited by Chinese:

https://www.rappler.com/nation/239828-police-file-charges-illegal-chinese-pogo-workers-cebu

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CEBU CITY, Philippines – Police arrested in a raid Saturday, September 7, 181 Chinese working in an illegal Philippine offshore gaming operation (POGO) office in Lapu-Lapu City for violating cybercrime and illegal gambling laws.

I'm thinking that Chinese criminals are using POGO as front, then sending Chinese here to work illegally.

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Quote from: Botnake on September 10, 2019, 07:11:46 AM

Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on September 10, 2019, 01:55:53 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on September 09, 2019, 05:23:47 AM

Maybe China is just testing the Philippines here as they have already built a solid relationship but it sounded that its over specially with the West Philippine sea issue.

Its not a test to the relationship of China and the Philippines. It simply is illegal for a Chinese citizen to gamble or even set up a gambling business overseas, same with setting up a business to attract Chinese citizens as their main clients to play or gamble. Sad part is that workers of POGO are claiming that they we're forced to go to Philippines to work on in POGO and pay rate is very small.

I don't think the Philippines has violated any law of China, this local news would not lie for sure.

No Pogo company in PH are operated by Chinese — Pagcor exec

Maybe Chinese gambling operators are using people to handle their business that's why the business is full of chinese employees, but technically, I never see any violation here.

I don't know why this suddenly became a big issue as chinese casinos and gambling houses have been operating not only in the philippines but in other southeast asian countries as well. The chinese are probably one of the top providers when it comes to gambling. It's just because of the ph president's attitude towards china that this always becomes a big deal.

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on September 10, 2019, 01:55:53 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on September 09, 2019, 05:23:47 AM

Maybe China is just testing the Philippines here as they have already built a solid relationship but it sounded that its over specially with the West Philippine sea issue.

Its not a test to the relationship of China and the Philippines. It simply is illegal for a Chinese citizen to gamble or even set up a gambling business overseas, same with setting up a business to attract Chinese citizens as their main clients to play or gamble. Sad part is that workers of POGO are claiming that they we're forced to go to Philippines to work on in POGO and pay rate is very small.

I don't think the Philippines has violated any law of China, this local news would not lie for sure.

No Pogo company in PH are operated by Chinese — Pagcor exec

Maybe Chinese gambling operators are using people to handle their business that's why the business is full of chinese employees, but technically, I never see any violation here.

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Quote from: btc_angela on September 09, 2019, 05:23:47 AM

Maybe China is just testing the Philippines here as they have already built a solid relationship but it sounded that its over specially with the West Philippine sea issue.

Its not a test to the relationship of China and the Philippines. It simply is illegal for a Chinese citizen to gamble or even set up a gambling business overseas, same with setting up a business to attract Chinese citizens as their main clients to play or gamble. Sad part is that workers of POGO are claiming that they we're forced to go to Philippines to work on in POGO and pay rate is very small.

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Quote from: btc_angela on September 09, 2019, 05:23:47 AM

But I do believed that Philippines has its government body to oversee those online gambling and I don't think that China has control over it.

Yes, and that agency is the PAGCOR and they are also in charge in issuing license to those who applied and qualified to operate.
Full source : https://kmcmaggroup.com/research-insights/2019/doing-business-in-the-philippines-pogo-regulations-every-business-should-know/

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PAGCOR act as the main regulatory body for offshore gaming services. They issue licenses to both qualified Filipino- and foreign-based operators. It also has an Offshore Gaming License Department that is assigned to become the main regulatory authority over online gaming operations. There are also a number of gambling regulators allowed by the government to issue licenses in other regional areas. This includes:

Cagayan Economic Zone Authority (CEZA)
Aurora Pacific Economic Zone & Freeport Authority (APECO)
Authority of the Freeport Area of Bataan (AFAB)

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As I have said previously, there could be some political motivation behind China urging the Philippines to ban online gambling. But I do believed that Philippines has its government body to oversee those online gambling and I don't think that China has control over it. Maybe China is just testing the Philippines here as they have already built a solid relationship but it sounded that its over specially with the West Philippine sea issue.

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Quote from: target on September 09, 2019, 02:49:45 AM

The issue is just the POGO and its all settled POGO stays just as always during the previous admins.

I don't understand why this news has created buzz when it's obvious that the government will never stop regulating this operation and the China has no control on the Philippines to stop this.

Philippines needs to improve their economy and they can only do that with the increase of tax collection, and this one is an opportunity so there's no sense they will let this stop just to facilitate the request of China. Philippines to be the gambling capital of the world seems to be possible in in the future because the government is very supportive and this is what gambling operators are looking for.

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Quote from: spadormie on September 08, 2019, 12:34:54 PM

Why is China trying to control the Philippines in general? Not to mention, the lands that they have taken so far in the Philippines lol. Now this online gambling thing. But you can't erase the mentality of Filipinos to be fond in gambling. And, Chinese? Some of these sites were owned by them? Is there president ready to dump them?

There are so many illegal gambling in the Philippines and China might just want to help Philippines to prevent that kind of game. We know the number of Chinese workers in the Philippines has increases a lot and yeah, a big regulation should be implemented so we can assure that the Chinese people in the Philippines are working legally. We don't want to control by China but the government of the Philippines are not doing anything to prevent that, well let's see in the coming years what will happen to the Philippines.

China is not controlling Philippines. We are just so controlled by the media that all the news we hear are somewhat the truth. The President because he isn't from any dynasty of the northern part of Philippines, he is surrounded by critics including those in the government, senators and congress and the cabinet members.

The Chinese demanded sorry from Ninoy Aquino during the time of hostage taking but the news in media doesn't even say the Chinese wants to control Philippines. The issue is just the POGO and its all settled POGO stays just as always during the previous admins.

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Quote from: spadormie on September 08, 2019, 12:34:54 PM

Why is China trying to control the Philippines in general? Not to mention, the lands that they have taken so far in the Philippines lol. Now this online gambling thing. But you can't erase the mentality of Filipinos to be fond in gambling. And, Chinese? Some of these sites were owned by them? Is there president ready to dump them?

There are so many illegal gambling in the Philippines and China might just want to help Philippines to prevent that kind of game. We know the number of Chinese workers in the Philippines has increases a lot and yeah, a big regulation should be implemented so we can assure that the Chinese people in the Philippines are working legally. We don't want to control by China but the government of the Philippines are not doing anything to prevent that, well let's see in the coming years what will happen to the Philippines.

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I don't know about Philippines, but China is becoming (if it not already is) the country of censorship and bans.
This is usually bad for the consumers since they are left with fewer choices.

Now... there could really be some danger and the banning is planning to protect the consumers, but China doesn't have the brightest past.

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