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Quote from: Saisher on September 05, 2019, 07:37:30 AM

Quote from: nakamura12 on August 30, 2019, 06:53:31 PM

What do you guys think about China urges to ban all online gambling in Philippines?. One of their reason is that "The embassy said many of the Chinese citizens working illegally in Philippine casinos or POGOs and other forms of gambling entities are subjected to what media described as modern slavery due to severe limitation of their personal freedom and also Beijing welcomed the suspension of the issuance of new licenses for Philippine offshore gaming operations (POGO).

I think they should ban it, so these Chinese will not come to the Philippines and work as online gambling operators, there are so many of them now in the Philippines and some of them are working illegally, the immigrations cannot cope with the numbers they just keep coming and worse of all they are bribing authorities, they even bully the local people here.

Well, I say not all chinese people are like that there are some that are nice and would surely make friends with you just like other Filipino citizens, but apparantly the number of chinese people here in the Philippines are in worst numbers now there are establishments and fastfood that the owners are chinese, and sad to say that in our building here in makati there are illegal gambling that had recently raided by the authorities, So apparantly that is why the government of China are banning illegal gambling here in the Philipines as well just what they did in their country, Because this country is pretty open with that stuff.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on August 30, 2019, 06:53:31 PM

What do you guys think about China urges to ban all online gambling in Philippines?. One of their reason is that "The embassy said many of the Chinese citizens working illegally in Philippine casinos or POGOs and other forms of gambling entities are subjected to what media described as modern slavery due to severe limitation of their personal freedom and also Beijing welcomed the suspension of the issuance of new licenses for Philippine offshore gaming operations (POGO).

I think they should ban it, so these Chinese will not come to the Philippines and work as online gambling operators, there are so many of them now in the Philippines and some of them are working illegally, the immigrations cannot cope with the numbers they just keep coming and worse of all they are bribing authorities, they even bully the local people here.

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Quote from: vintages on September 02, 2019, 01:15:40 PM

Whatever reasons the Chinese government have, I feel it's still not their call to make. An outside government has no business with how the other government runs his country.
What the Chinese government has to do is to caution his own citizens.
And I feel the Chinese government is being too rigid to their citizens especially on the issue of gambling. This is why most of them migrate to other countries where there will be lesser power control.

I feel it depends on the relationship with two countries but at the same time, it’s difficult to make a decision for a country and I personally think chine should come down a bit with their strict gambling policy.

Their citizens love and enjoy gambling and most of them just do it to get themselves entertained. The government’s rigidity towards gambling gas not changed the citizens in any way because aside relocating to other countries; a lot of them still find other alternative means to gamble. In my opinion, It will be better the Philippines ignores their threat and so whatever they feel suitable and also I wish the Chinese would someday come to realize that forcing people against their decision isn’t a perfect way to correct a wrong doing.

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Quote from: joshy23 on September 05, 2019, 06:32:27 AM

Quote from: Botnake on September 05, 2019, 02:01:22 AM

This will not be ban, we have a fresh news today.

https://business.inquirer.net/278242/duterte-wont-ban-pogos-many-will-lose-their-jobs
It's coming from the President, so though the Philippines and the China has a good relation, this operation helps to improve the economy of the Philippines as they are collecting big taxes on this, and also it was mentioned, maybe will loss their jobs.

It's a good thing to be compensated with something that being held inside the country, if the government is not seeing any problem instead getting a good benefits our from collected taxes why bothered being controlled by another government if we can implement our own rules inside our own jurisdictions, there's always other side of things to consider and PH government consider the benefits.

The Philippine government is not complaining, it's China who are complaining, why would the President of the Philippines serve the benefits of other country although they are our allies when the Philippines are making a lot of money in this industry. Let China solve their problems, Philippines are always here to cater this kind of opportunity that is a billion dollar business.

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Quote from: Botnake on September 05, 2019, 02:01:22 AM

This will not be ban, we have a fresh news today.

https://business.inquirer.net/278242/duterte-wont-ban-pogos-many-will-lose-their-jobs
It's coming from the President, so though the Philippines and the China has a good relation, this operation helps to improve the economy of the Philippines as they are collecting big taxes on this, and also it was mentioned, maybe will loss their jobs.

It's a good thing to be compensated with something that being held inside the country, if the government is not seeing any problem instead getting a good benefits our from collected taxes why bothered being controlled by another government if we can implement our own rules inside our own jurisdictions, there's always other side of things to consider and PH government consider the benefits.

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Quote from: sweetbet on September 04, 2019, 07:44:48 PM

Can online gambling be effectively banned as long as there are VPNs and crypto casinos?

Probably they'll able to ban online gambling for those users who used basic internet access, but not for those expert users who used proxies and other vpn applications. Maybe local gambling is effective on banning but not that serious when it talks about online.

You're right about the government unable to ban users which used VPN app to surf online gambling site but there also huge chance that such user may loose his account or fund if the gambling site actually don't allow twice registration from a single IP address. But, I don't know why the Chinese government are s hard on their people instead of allowing them to do what pleases them since it donest involve stealing, robbery etc.

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Quote from: Questat on September 05, 2019, 02:43:14 AM

Quote from: Botnake on September 05, 2019, 02:01:22 AM

This will not be ban, we have a fresh news today.

https://business.inquirer.net/278242/duterte-wont-ban-pogos-many-will-lose-their-jobs
It's coming from the President, so though the Philippines and the China has a good relation, this operation helps to improve the economy of the Philippines as they are collecting big taxes on this, and also it was mentioned, maybe will loss their jobs.

This is the reason why there is an increase number of Chinese people in the Philippines.
Duterte with its project build build build, he really needs a source of funds and casino is just a good source of funds IMO.

On the taxation side, we ca see in this news,
https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/06/17/1927013/special-report-inside-philippine-offshore-gaming-company

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Taxing POGOs
POGOS are now at the center of government’s tax drive with the Department of Finance (DoF) saying that gaming entities must pay more taxes.

The DoF and the Bureau of Internal Revenue (BIR) are chasing about P32 billion in alleged unpaid income taxes from POGO workers.

This is computed based on an assumed salary of $1,500 per month for each of the estimated 138,000 foreign POGO workers slapped with a 25 percent income tax.

However, the BIR’s basis of $1,500 monthly salary allegedly differs from the actual pay of POGO workers.

Did you see the figure, that's 138,000 foreign workers at an average salary of $1500 per employee, so that would total to $207,000,000 salary per month, which means this business is earning at least a billion dollar in a monthly basis (correct my computation if its wrong), and that's a huge amount of money that the Philippines does not want to loss.

By the way, income tax of 25% from $207,000,000 is 51,750,000‬ usd, I just don't know if it's monthly or yearly.

Besides the money, Duterte has to keep both US and China at bay. He wants both to provide assistance to the country, making friends to both will keep both compete in providing advantagous offer. Even the Japanese are offering assistance to Philippines swaying Duterte. All these are political moves, a strategy that has to be maintained like "friends to all".

China has been providing great offers to philippines and I think this is a good path because China is a super power ally.

As a small country like Philippines its much wiser for them not to oppose on what these super nations would request as long it doesnt completely degrade up your countries laws and rules since there would be reconsiderationss and these decisions will depend on its president itself. Maintaining good ties with other countries is a good decision and i agree to that friend to all word.

Exactly, some of the Filipinos are complaining the increasing number of Chinese in the country, but they forget that it's the Chinese people who are already dominating the business industry in the Philippines, most of the big companies are own and manage by Filipino Chinese people but they are pure Chinese in blood. For me, gambling is a good business and a good way for the Philippines to increase their tax collection to finance the projects they are planning.

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Quote from: target on September 05, 2019, 03:46:01 AM

Quote from: Questat on September 05, 2019, 02:43:14 AM

Quote from: Botnake on September 05, 2019, 02:01:22 AM

This will not be ban, we have a fresh news today.

https://business.inquirer.net/278242/duterte-wont-ban-pogos-many-will-lose-their-jobs
It's coming from the President, so though the Philippines and the China has a good relation, this operation helps to improve the economy of the Philippines as they are collecting big taxes on this, and also it was mentioned, maybe will loss their jobs.

This is the reason why there is an increase number of Chinese people in the Philippines.
Duterte with its project build build build, he really needs a source of funds and casino is just a good source of funds IMO.

On the taxation side, we ca see in this news,
https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/06/17/1927013/special-report-inside-philippine-offshore-gaming-company

Quote

Taxing POGOs
POGOS are now at the center of government’s tax drive with the Department of Finance (DoF) saying that gaming entities must pay more taxes.

The DoF and the Bureau of Internal Revenue (BIR) are chasing about P32 billion in alleged unpaid income taxes from POGO workers.

This is computed based on an assumed salary of $1,500 per month for each of the estimated 138,000 foreign POGO workers slapped with a 25 percent income tax.

However, the BIR’s basis of $1,500 monthly salary allegedly differs from the actual pay of POGO workers.

Did you see the figure, that's 138,000 foreign workers at an average salary of $1500 per employee, so that would total to $207,000,000 salary per month, which means this business is earning at least a billion dollar in a monthly basis (correct my computation if its wrong), and that's a huge amount of money that the Philippines does not want to loss.

By the way, income tax of 25% from $207,000,000 is 51,750,000‬ usd, I just don't know if it's monthly or yearly.

Besides the money, Duterte has to keep both US and China at bay. He wants both to provide assistance to the country, making friends to both will keep both compete in providing advantagous offer. Even the Japanese are offering assistance to Philippines swaying Duterte. All these are political moves, a strategy that has to be maintained like "friends to all".

China has been providing great offers to philippines and I think this is a good path because China is a super power ally.

China really provide good offers to the Philippines. But it does not mean they will interfere in the country's business especially on online gambling. Yes China is powerful yet they should restrict their power to their own and not on how a country run online business.

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Quote from: target on September 05, 2019, 03:46:01 AM

Quote from: Questat on September 05, 2019, 02:43:14 AM

Quote from: Botnake on September 05, 2019, 02:01:22 AM

This will not be ban, we have a fresh news today.

https://business.inquirer.net/278242/duterte-wont-ban-pogos-many-will-lose-their-jobs
It's coming from the President, so though the Philippines and the China has a good relation, this operation helps to improve the economy of the Philippines as they are collecting big taxes on this, and also it was mentioned, maybe will loss their jobs.

This is the reason why there is an increase number of Chinese people in the Philippines.
Duterte with its project build build build, he really needs a source of funds and casino is just a good source of funds IMO.

On the taxation side, we ca see in this news,
https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/06/17/1927013/special-report-inside-philippine-offshore-gaming-company

Quote

Taxing POGOs
POGOS are now at the center of government’s tax drive with the Department of Finance (DoF) saying that gaming entities must pay more taxes.

The DoF and the Bureau of Internal Revenue (BIR) are chasing about P32 billion in alleged unpaid income taxes from POGO workers.

This is computed based on an assumed salary of $1,500 per month for each of the estimated 138,000 foreign POGO workers slapped with a 25 percent income tax.

However, the BIR’s basis of $1,500 monthly salary allegedly differs from the actual pay of POGO workers.

Did you see the figure, that's 138,000 foreign workers at an average salary of $1500 per employee, so that would total to $207,000,000 salary per month, which means this business is earning at least a billion dollar in a monthly basis (correct my computation if its wrong), and that's a huge amount of money that the Philippines does not want to loss.

By the way, income tax of 25% from $207,000,000 is 51,750,000‬ usd, I just don't know if it's monthly or yearly.

Besides the money, Duterte has to keep both US and China at bay. He wants both to provide assistance to the country, making friends to both will keep both compete in providing advantagous offer. Even the Japanese are offering assistance to Philippines swaying Duterte. All these are political moves, a strategy that has to be maintained like "friends to all".

China has been providing great offers to philippines and I think this is a good path because China is a super power ally.

As a small country like Philippines its much wiser for them not to oppose on what these super nations would request as long it doesnt completely degrade up your countries laws and rules since there would be reconsiderationss and these decisions will depend on its president itself. Maintaining good ties with other countries is a good decision and i agree to that friend to all word.

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Quote from: Questat on September 05, 2019, 02:43:14 AM

Quote from: Botnake on September 05, 2019, 02:01:22 AM

This will not be ban, we have a fresh news today.

https://business.inquirer.net/278242/duterte-wont-ban-pogos-many-will-lose-their-jobs
It's coming from the President, so though the Philippines and the China has a good relation, this operation helps to improve the economy of the Philippines as they are collecting big taxes on this, and also it was mentioned, maybe will loss their jobs.

This is the reason why there is an increase number of Chinese people in the Philippines.
Duterte with its project build build build, he really needs a source of funds and casino is just a good source of funds IMO.

On the taxation side, we ca see in this news,
https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/06/17/1927013/special-report-inside-philippine-offshore-gaming-company

Quote

Taxing POGOs
POGOS are now at the center of government’s tax drive with the Department of Finance (DoF) saying that gaming entities must pay more taxes.

The DoF and the Bureau of Internal Revenue (BIR) are chasing about P32 billion in alleged unpaid income taxes from POGO workers.

This is computed based on an assumed salary of $1,500 per month for each of the estimated 138,000 foreign POGO workers slapped with a 25 percent income tax.

However, the BIR’s basis of $1,500 monthly salary allegedly differs from the actual pay of POGO workers.

Did you see the figure, that's 138,000 foreign workers at an average salary of $1500 per employee, so that would total to $207,000,000 salary per month, which means this business is earning at least a billion dollar in a monthly basis (correct my computation if its wrong), and that's a huge amount of money that the Philippines does not want to loss.

By the way, income tax of 25% from $207,000,000 is 51,750,000‬ usd, I just don't know if it's monthly or yearly.

Besides the money, Duterte has to keep both US and China at bay. He wants both to provide assistance to the country, making friends to both will keep both compete in providing advantagous offer. Even the Japanese are offering assistance to Philippines swaying Duterte. All these are political moves, a strategy that has to be maintained like "friends to all".

China has been providing great offers to philippines and I think this is a good path because China is a super power ally.

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Quote from: Botnake on September 05, 2019, 02:01:22 AM

This will not be ban, we have a fresh news today.

https://business.inquirer.net/278242/duterte-wont-ban-pogos-many-will-lose-their-jobs
It's coming from the President, so though the Philippines and the China has a good relation, this operation helps to improve the economy of the Philippines as they are collecting big taxes on this, and also it was mentioned, maybe will loss their jobs.

This is the reason why there is an increase number of Chinese people in the Philippines.
Duterte with its project build build build, he really needs a source of funds and casino is just a good source of funds IMO.

On the taxation side, we ca see in this news,
https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/06/17/1927013/special-report-inside-philippine-offshore-gaming-company

Quote

Taxing POGOs
POGOS are now at the center of government’s tax drive with the Department of Finance (DoF) saying that gaming entities must pay more taxes.

The DoF and the Bureau of Internal Revenue (BIR) are chasing about P32 billion in alleged unpaid income taxes from POGO workers.

This is computed based on an assumed salary of $1,500 per month for each of the estimated 138,000 foreign POGO workers slapped with a 25 percent income tax.

However, the BIR’s basis of $1,500 monthly salary allegedly differs from the actual pay of POGO workers.

Did you see the figure, that's 138,000 foreign workers at an average salary of $1500 per employee, so that would total to $207,000,000 salary per month, which means this business is earning at least a billion dollar in a monthly basis (correct my computation if its wrong), and that's a huge amount of money that the Philippines does not want to loss.

By the way, income tax of 25% from $207,000,000 is 51,750,000‬ usd, I just don't know if it's monthly or yearly.

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This will not be ban, we have a fresh news today.

https://business.inquirer.net/278242/duterte-wont-ban-pogos-many-will-lose-their-jobs
It's coming from the President, so though the Philippines and the China has a good relation, this operation helps to improve the economy of the Philippines as they are collecting big taxes on this, and also it was mentioned, maybe will loss their jobs.

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Quote from: sweetbet on September 04, 2019, 07:44:48 PM

Can online gambling be effectively banned as long as there are VPNs and crypto casinos?

Probably they'll able to ban online gambling for those users who used basic internet access, but not for those expert users who used proxies and other vpn applications. Maybe local gambling is effective on banning but not that serious when it talks about online.

The user who has a skill about internet connection and also playing gambling will not find any trouble to access the gambling site because they know they can visit the gambling website by using VPN. The best is they can use the free VPN access and don't have to pay a subscription fee in monthly so they can play gambling with easy. Yeah, maybe the banning will be on local gambling places because it's too difficult to ban the gambling site as the website itself don't use the hosting from the Philippines.

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The Philippines is becoming stricter on online gambling anyway so I don't know what's new about this one. They would go great lengths to promote on-site gambling in casinos and whatnot but would harshly prosecute those online gambling operators and players. Just goes to show how crooked the law is in the Philippines and yes, some casino workers are Chinese which are employed by these big casinos.

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Quote from: sweetbet on September 04, 2019, 07:44:48 PM

Can online gambling be effectively banned as long as there are VPNs and crypto casinos?

Online gambling sites are the most effectively governments happily to ban the fact that the online gambling sites consider as illegal, but to be honest it’s not effective though when there’s still VPN to gamble in crypto casino’s that is capable to use and the servers in locations where betting is legal that VPN can provide.

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Quote from: hulla on September 04, 2019, 06:55:47 PM

This definitely wont work and to me it totally a waste of time for the Chinese to urge the Philippines government to ban all the online gambling site cause the last time I checked Philippine was among the nation that loves casino game, dice gambling and sport betting either which is the reason why they also have spider, chicken betting game there.

Would you mind sharing where you check that statistics bro which shows Philippines was among the nation that loves casino. If you based your opinion on the members of this forum then i think it is not conclusive as members of this forum does not represent the entire population of the Philippines IMO.

Heard the news just yesterday where the president has already said that he could not ban POGO as it will affect the Philippine economy and the government has collected substantial amount of taxes from gambling.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on August 30, 2019, 06:53:31 PM

What do you guys think about China urges to ban all online gambling in Philippines?. One of their reason is that "The embassy said many of the Chinese citizens working illegally in Philippine casinos or POGOs and other forms of gambling entities are subjected to what media described as modern slavery due to severe limitation of their personal freedom and also Beijing welcomed the suspension of the issuance of new licenses for Philippine offshore gaming operations (POGO).

Is this really the words that China says?or it was exaggerated by the media?i don’t think Chinese President will deliver this kind of command towards other country like Philippines.
Or maybe what China wants is to ban all the Chinese that starting gambling in Philippines so the issue of their people being illegally having a business here will stopped
And also China banned already gambling things that they wanna looks by other countries as example of good governance .(but of course I might be wrong)so please correct me if I am wrong

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This definitely wont work and to me it totally a waste of time for the Chinese to urge the Philippines government to ban all the online gambling site cause the last time I checked Philippine was among the nation that loves casino game, dice gambling and sport betting either which is the reason why they also have spider, chicken betting game there.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on August 30, 2019, 06:53:31 PM

What do you guys think about China urges to ban all online gambling in Philippines?. One of their reason is that "The embassy said many of the Chinese citizens working illegally in Philippine casinos or POGOs and other forms of gambling entities are subjected to what media described as modern slavery due to severe limitation of their personal freedom and also Beijing welcomed the suspension of the issuance of new licenses for Philippine offshore gaming operations (POGO).

Even if the Chinese government is able to have their way by ensuring the Philippines government ban gambling, it does not mean the people will stop carrying out their gambling actions. What they would successfully do would be to create room for it to be done under the radar and from the preying eyes of government and its agencies. It then also means loss of revenue to the government of Philippines that would have been generated from the issue of licenses and other fees they would be obliged to pay because you cannot ban and still expect revenue from that same source.

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