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hero member
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I passed the scam section and came across this sad and regrettable situation:

Cloudbet - Asked for verification and blocked account.

It's been 1 month since this guy is waiting for a solution, this way of working is shameful, I can't believe it takes 1 month for an account to be investigated, what's happening with this casino? Could it be that there are thousands of customers with the same problem and a lack of employees in the investigation department to the point that someone has to wait 1 month to see their problem resolved? if this is the case then write on the ANN Thread that they have already exhausted their customer service capacity and that for this reason they cannot accept new users, because this guy has been waiting for your response for 1 month and this is not a good way to work.

This is happening on most of the casino even trusted one because they are not prioritizing this kind of investigation over there operation. They usually taking things slowly so that they can give an accurate result that will be fair for players and to them. 1 month is really long for this kind of investigation and cloudbet should give a conclusion already because this is already enough time to check single account especially that this issue was reported publicly that might hurt there reputation.

Cloudbet is not active so it’s very hard to raise a concern from here without there representative being active here.
legendary
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I think Cloudbet are licensed anyway, you can see it at the bottom of their homepage. I think they're licensed in Curacao? This probably means that they need to follow the requirements of the regulator which means including KYC in their process.

I would always choose a casino that performs KYC anyway, it means they don't cheat their players  

I don't know too much about curacao licensing, but i do know that a lot of popular casinos are licensed there.

The Curacao license is the most popular because it has a much easier requirements and very convenient to get in able for your casino legally operate on many countries that there license is valid. Curacao is one of the early license provider on crypto gambling business that’s why it was the best choice for crypto casino. There’s other license provider but they have a very limited country scope which is not practical at all.

Curacao KYC is now adjusting based on the casino country origin because there license scope varies per country judicial rules about online casino.

You are right, in fact many casinos the first licenses they look for is the Curacao license and they are very well accepted, when counting the casinos on the forum, most of them have it, so it is the most accepted and I think all members of the forum think similarly, I don't know, but talking about this license is because there are many things that may be missing to learn, I know that some do not like the license, because it usually presents some restrictions to some pa'piss in common, it is something that I do not agree with but those are their regulations, the truth is that I do not understand either, because nobody should be prohibited when it comes to games.
legendary
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I passed the scam section and came across this sad and regrettable situation:

Cloudbet - Asked for verification and blocked account.

It's been 1 month since this guy is waiting for a solution, this way of working is shameful, I can't believe it takes 1 month for an account to be investigated, what's happening with this casino? Could it be that there are thousands of customers with the same problem and a lack of employees in the investigation department to the point that someone has to wait 1 month to see their problem resolved? if this is the case then write on the ANN Thread that they have already exhausted their customer service capacity and that for this reason they cannot accept new users, because this guy has been waiting for your response for 1 month and this is not a good way to work.
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Previously, cryptocurrency exchanges were anonymous, but the more regulated the cryptocurrency becomes and the more people use it, the less anonymous the exchanges become. The same goes for the casino. The more regulated casinos are, the less anonymous they are.
I don't think this is entirely true. For example, Bitmex was more popular as a derivatives exchange before they introduced mandatory KYC. You would say when they introduced mandatory KYC for all their customers, they became compliant and fully regulated. Many traders abandoned for less strict exchanges.
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1.3 million euro win held for 3 months!
-IEATBOOGERSCB- discord channel has been created will ALL INFO and evidence showing the true owners of Cloudbet and how their operation runs. They have held my 66 bitcoins for months and now they are playing games let’s see if this gets attention https://discord.gg/JrDSb2A7 https://discord.gg/JrDSb2A7 https://discord.gg/JrDSb2A7 https://discord.gg/JrDSb2A7
Why don't you open up a legitimate scam accusation and share the whole story there. I am not about to create a discord account just to read what you posted there
Use this scam reporting format - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-report-format-use-it-to-make-scam-reports-properly-260073



If a person has nothing to hide and does everything legally and honestly, then why does he need anonymity? Thanks to regulation, the rights of ordinary crypto holders  are more protected.
You are missing the point. Besides, we all have something to hide. It's called Privacy mate. Otherwise, if you have nothing to hide, then why aren't you walking naked on the streets?  Cheesy Or would you feel comfortable staying in a house full of camera's with someone watching you all day and night, even if you were a law a bidding citizen?
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1.3 million euro win held for 3 months!
-IEATBOOGERSCB- discord channel has been created will ALL INFO and evidence showing the true owners of Cloudbet and how their operation runs. They have held my 66 bitcoins for months and now they are playing games let’s see if this gets attention https://discord.gg/JrDSb2A7 https://discord.gg/JrDSb2A7 https://discord.gg/JrDSb2A7 https://discord.gg/JrDSb2A7
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There’s a lot of factor why people choose to be anonymous such the government on his country is too strict to track all the financial movement of its citizen and playing on crypto casino might have a conflict to there law that’s why they want a complete anonymous to avoid conflict to the authorities. Some people don’t want someone snipping in there assets or sharing there information to other institutions unless it was really required by the government.

I get the point that you shouldn’t have any problem giving your identity if you don’t do anything wrong but it still a matter of preference on someone privacy.

Sometimes cryptocurrency is used for criminal purposes, so criminals want to remain anonymous. But in most cases, people just don't want to pay taxes on their income and show their big winnings to other people. That's why anonymity is so popular in casinos.

You’re right but this days criminal money use mixer instead of casino because casino already have a wagering requirements before they can withdraw and they might lose most of there money if they gamble it since they have huge money that needs to wager unlike on mixer that typically charge small percentage of the initial amount just to make the crypto untraceable from chain analysis investigation.

Most of the user that wants complete anonymous on casino nowadays are just for tax purposes because they can dodge tax report of winnings on crypto casino if it’s not registered under there name.
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Whenever we start operating in a casino, we can get excited and make many transactions, but when we are in a country that they call prohibited it is somewhat more difficult, if a person operates with a casino and makes a profit and when he wins he wants to make a withdrawal sometimes they are usually asked to pass a KYC to complete everything, but that is where the problem comes, because if the person does not want to give the KYC then everything will be in dispute, and this usually happens when the terms and conditions are not read or how is, and if that player had read that, I'm sure he would have stuck to everything that came to him with KYC.


I think Cloudbet are licensed anyway, you can see it at the bottom of their homepage. I think they're licensed in Curacao? This probably means that they need to follow the requirements of the regulator which means including KYC in their process.

@cryptoexchanger.org their license date is showing 9.9.2022 so does that mean it’s been renewed yesterday?, or it just shows the date of each day?. Furthermore KYC is the harsh reality that crypto currency gamblers need to accept, because there’s no getting past it and if one yet doesn’t feel comfortable then a simple option is to cash out their coins in fiat and wager in land based casinos.
That's right, almost all casinos already require KYC and this is something that will continue to be required, and the terms and conditions that will be made will be to see how authentic the person is and if they did not commit fraud with their documents or something, I think that is one of the reasons why KYC is required when a withdrawal will be made, which I find sometimes a bit annoying, but when looking at it from a point of view focused on player security, it is good, because If you enter your account, they hack it and make withdrawals only with the input data, it is something that can happen, it has happened to me that one day they did it because they did not have a 2FA security layer.

And you're forgetting licensed casinos are combating against money laundering, they wouldn't give easy for any gamblers that using Monero to gamble on their casino. I think any gamblers that using Monero will be asked to submit KYC regardless how much the amount. This will help them to track about the account activity and which address the gamblers will send their coins to.

7.3.1. We accept BTC, ADA, ALGO, AVAX, BCH, BNB, BUSD, DAI, DASH, DOGE, DOT, EOS, ETC, ETH, FTM, stETH, LINK, LTC, LUNC, MATIC, PAXG, SHIB, SOL, TRON, UNI, USDC, USDP, USDT, USTC, XLM, XRP, ZCASH and fiat deposits (depending on your jurisdiction).

I am quoting the TOS for deposits which are only accepted for some crypto and fiat coins, there is no option for Monero (XMR) so no support for deposits and withdrawals. I don't know if monero has been removed due to regulations regarding AML, because AML aims to make it easier to track suspicious deposits or withdrawals so that users have to complete KYC, also minimize cases of money laundering using transaction traffic on the casino platform to eliminate traces of tracking.

Now many licensed exchanges have refused to work with Monero because transactions in Monero are anonymous and it is impossible to trace the origin of funds. Probably the ban on working with Monero also applies to licensed casinos.

That is why the casino that manages to work with Mmonero in its ranks will be the King and AMO, where most players will always want to play, for me this is an indication that the casino that is somewhat irreverent and that manages to sneak in with This option will be the casino with the most traffic worldwide, without a doubt it will have the power of everything.

I think that for now no casino is going to implement it, but I imagine that they have made several proposals, because it is something that would really make a difference with respect to the others, it is like standing out and being the leader of all, I think that competing with a casino So, it's a very difficult thing.
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-IEATBOOGERSCB- discord channel has been created will ALL INFO and evidence showing the true owners of Cloudbet and how their operation runs. They have held my 66 bitcoins for months and now they are playing games let’s see if this gets attention https://discord.gg/JrDSb2A7 https://discord.gg/JrDSb2A7 https://discord.gg/JrDSb2A7 https://discord.gg/JrDSb2A7
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- IEATBOOGERS - SCREENSHOTS AND TRANSCRIPTS UPLOADED LATER TONIGHT, anyone from the discord will know some of my story however I will condense it to a few paragraphs and post with the relevant evidence tonight
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66 bitcoins in a locked account since June this year, blocked twice from discord for telling my story. Cloudbet appear to want to pay it and saying the right things after trying to dodge me for months but yet to be backed up with action, full story to come tonight as they can’t block me here.
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So far there is no KYC only in DeFi products.
Who lies to you that they do not require KYC?
There are several Defi platforms that require KYC verification. Here are a few examples
1. Blockfi - https://help.blockfi.com/hc/en-us/articles/360048862532-Why-do-I-have-to-complete-KYC
2. Curve - https://help.curve.com/en_us/verify-your-identity-in-the-curve-app-rJqJVYKvK

In fact, I don't know why people even call then decentralized finance.
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If a person wants to be anonymous, he will be. He will hide IP addresses, will use different wallets so that it is not possible to track where he withdraws money.
Except that they won't be able to pull this off if they are using a centralized service that is AML compliant like some casinos such as cloudbet.

What happens when you make a deposit, win so huge, and cloudbet asks for KYC verifications? You are from the US, but you IP address from a VPN service you are using show that you are from Japan?

But the question is, why does he need anonymity at all?
There are so many reasons from bypassing geo-blocking, privacy and tax evasion
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So the cryptocurrency was created to be anonymous. Especially anonymity is necessary for the casino so that no one knows about your winnings.
Not really, the truth is most of cryptocurrency we've found are completely centralized and no have privacy feature.
It's different with Bitcoin which offer pseudonymous and privacy coins e.g. Monero offer completely 100% anonymous feature.

I don't think there's a casino doesn't know about your winnings, at least they have recorded your IP address, your address and where the funds send to. That's not anonymous anymore.

If a person wants to be anonymous, he will be. He will hide IP addresses, will use different wallets so that it is not possible to track where he withdraws money. But the question is, why does he need anonymity at all?

There’s a lot of factor why people choose to be anonymous such the government on his country is too strict to track all the financial movement of its citizen and playing on crypto casino might have a conflict to there law that’s why they want a complete anonymous to avoid conflict to the authorities. Some people don’t want someone snipping in there assets or sharing there information to other institutions unless it was really required by the government.

I get the point that you shouldn’t have any problem giving your identity if you don’t do anything wrong but it still a matter of preference on someone privacy.
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And you're forgetting licensed casinos are combating against money laundering, they wouldn't give easy for any gamblers that using Monero to gamble on their casino. I think any gamblers that using Monero will be asked to submit KYC regardless how much the amount. This will help them to track about the account activity and which address the gamblers will send their coins to.

7.3.1. We accept BTC, ADA, ALGO, AVAX, BCH, BNB, BUSD, DAI, DASH, DOGE, DOT, EOS, ETC, ETH, FTM, stETH, LINK, LTC, LUNC, MATIC, PAXG, SHIB, SOL, TRON, UNI, USDC, USDP, USDT, USTC, XLM, XRP, ZCASH and fiat deposits (depending on your jurisdiction).

I am quoting the TOS for deposits which are only accepted for some crypto and fiat coins, there is no option for Monero (XMR) so no support for deposits and withdrawals. I don't know if monero has been removed due to regulations regarding AML, because AML aims to make it easier to track suspicious deposits or withdrawals so that users have to complete KYC, also minimize cases of money laundering using transaction traffic on the casino platform to eliminate traces of tracking.
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Monero is actively used in the casino to ensure the anonymity of transfers, so that it is impossible to track payments and calculate the winner.
And you're forgetting licensed casinos are combating against money laundering, they wouldn't give easy for any gamblers that using Monero to gamble on their casino. I think any gamblers that using Monero will be asked to submit KYC regardless how much the amount. This will help them to track about the account activity and which address the gamblers will send their coins to.
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The Curacao license is the most popular because it has a much easier requirements and very convenient to get in able for your casino legally operate on many countries that there license is valid. Curacao is one of the early license provider on crypto gambling business that’s why it was the best choice for crypto casino. There’s other license provider but they have a very limited country scope which is not practical at all.

Curacao KYC is now adjusting based on the casino country origin because there license scope varies per country judicial rules about online casino.

In any case, the presence of a license indicates that the rights of players are somehow protected and their protection is provided by the regulator that issued the license. But for me personally, the greater protection is the fact that the casino has been operating since 2013. So the players need it.

Fair point. Actually this is the OG criteria before to trust the casino before the license on crypto casino become a trend and a must. I remember when there’s a lot of dice casino out there that offering same service that usually turn into scam once whale player hit huge win. We old user use the age of the casino to determine how trusted they are before we will deposit our money and cloudbet is one the sportsbook that pioneer this kind of casino business before other casino turn into full casino.

Even without license I will still play here because cloudbet existing since my early days until now and the chance for them to be scam is very low because of there established reputation.
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Because of the nature of business. Typically most of the gamblers want to anonymously gamble in crypto casino while exchange is mandatory required KYC so user knows that they will doing KYC before they use exchange.

Casino ToS doesn’t state a mandatory KYC and this is the reason why many people choose crypto casino because of privacy. This kind of privacy is already starting fade off because regulators already forcing them to do it with there customers.
Even before they ask for KYC, then moment you decide to sign up and use a centralized service like a casino. Your privacy flies out of the window. Those service collect a lot of data that you have no idea about, from IP address logs, device ID, browser information to time zone and betting patterns.

If you want privacy. Avoid completely using a centralized service.
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Casino ToS doesn’t state a mandatory KYC and this is the reason why many people choose crypto casino because of privacy. This kind of privacy is already starting fade off because regulators already forcing them to do it with there customers.
User privacy factor decreased due to AML regulation for KYC has been added in TOS, we know that the influence of the regulator so there is no other choice for casinos to avoid it, some casinos have not "enforced" rules for users to complete KYC but for users having account balances then have to accept the consequences to complete KYC at any time, especially during withdrawals as many complain gamblers have to verify KYC before withdrawals are processed.
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Casino ToS doesn’t state a mandatory KYC and this is the reason why many people choose crypto casino because of privacy. This kind of privacy is already starting fade off because regulators already forcing them to do it with there customers.
Have you check it before? based on their terms, it's already clear they will ask you to submit KYC when it's needed.

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18.1. Verification procedures One of the international standards for preventing illegal activity is customer due diligence (“CDD”).  According to CDD, the Company establishes its own verification procedures within the standards of anti-money laundering and “Know Your Customer” frameworks.
https://www.cloudbet.com/en/help/terms

Most people think gambling using crypto is for privacy concern, but they're didn't even understand what privacy is. Connecting to the casino with your real IP address and create an account on there already destroy your privacy lol.

You need to avoid the whole thing to enjoy 100% privacy.
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