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Quote from: cryptoexchanger.org on September 14, 2022, 02:24:47 AM

Quote from: Juggy777 on September 09, 2022, 10:26:15 PM

@cryptoexchanger.org their license date is showing 9.9.2022 so does that mean it’s been renewed yesterday?, or it just shows the date of each day?. Furthermore KYC is the harsh reality that crypto currency gamblers need to accept, because there’s no getting past it and if one yet doesn’t feel comfortable then a simple option is to cash out their coins in fiat and wager in land based casinos.

Full information about the license is here https://www.cloudbet.com/ru/about-us/license

I think from this data it is easy to check the validity of the license, when it was received and for how long.

We normally pass KYC procedures on exchanges, why do questions arise with the passing of KYC procedures in the casino?

Because of the nature of business. Typically most of the gamblers want to anonymously gamble in crypto casino while exchange is mandatory required KYC so user knows that they will doing KYC before they use exchange.

Casino ToS doesn’t state a mandatory KYC and this is the reason why many people choose crypto casino because of privacy. This kind of privacy is already starting fade off because regulators already forcing them to do it with there customers.

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So the cryptocurrency was created to be anonymous. Especially anonymity is necessary for the casino so that no one knows about your winnings.

So you also need to withdraw money that you a win in casino. And if the casino is not regulated, then what is the chance that you will get your winnings at all?

Aren't you afraid that you may be cheated with anonymity?

until a few years ago most of the casinos the owners were anonymous, of course to ensure that they didn't steal money from people the casinos that wanted to gain a good reputation created ANN Thread here on the forum and they will gain a good reputation, but the fact does not change that some Years ago most casinos owners remained anonymous and people had no choice, they had to settle for using those same casinos where the owners were anonymous, but times have changed with the acceptance of cryptocurrencies by governments. casino owners started to sponsor major soccer leagues and various sports and events which forced casino owners who sponsored these leagues, sports and events to come out of their anonymity, which is why it is better than people when they want to choose a casino online also analyze this part, analyze: if a Z casino sponsors the premier league or some premier league team and its owner is no longer anonymous then this casino has very little chance of stealing people's money, because this casino will do everything to preserve their good reputation

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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 09, 2022, 10:26:15 PM

@cryptoexchanger.org their license date is showing 9.9.2022 so does that mean it’s been renewed yesterday?, or it just shows the date of each day?. Furthermore KYC is the harsh reality that crypto currency gamblers need to accept, because there’s no getting past it and if one yet doesn’t feel comfortable then a simple option is to cash out their coins in fiat and wager in land based casinos.

Full information about the license is here https://www.cloudbet.com/ru/about-us/license

I think from this data it is easy to check the validity of the license, when it was received and for how long.

We normally pass KYC procedures on exchanges, why do questions arise with the passing of KYC procedures in the casino?

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Quote from: LEVSKI7 on September 11, 2022, 01:19:49 PM

Bullshit

.you must be completely illiterate to write this crap about curacao

Are commenting about my post about Curacao License description? Maybe you are relying data on speculation rather than the facts behind the authenticity of Curacao License. This license will not be widely used by trusted crypto casino if this is bullshit. Please read there license ToS to know what’s there service scope rather than heresy info..

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So the cryptocurrency was created to be anonymous. Especially anonymity is necessary for the casino so that no one knows about your winnings.

Not really, the truth is most of cryptocurrency we've found are completely centralized and no have privacy feature.
It's different with Bitcoin which offer pseudonymous and privacy coins e.g. Monero offer completely 100% anonymous feature.

I don't think there's a casino doesn't know about your winnings, at least they have recorded your IP address, your address and where the funds send to. That's not anonymous anymore.

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Well, none are physically based their but yes many have licences from Curacao to operate casinos and betting websites, it is a get-around to operate an online casino because no other jurisdiction would give out licences so easily.

The problem is they have not exactly covered themselves in glory when it comes to the way they resolves issues from a user that makes a scam allegation. With time they could very easily be setting a genuine benchmark for others to follow but right now anybody can apply for a licence.

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I don't know too much about curacao licensing, but i do know that a lot of popular casinos are licensed there.

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Quote from: Slow death on September 11, 2022, 08:58:11 AM

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Quote from: cryptoexchanger.org on September 09, 2022, 04:43:04 AM

I think Cloudbet are licensed anyway, you can see it at the bottom of their homepage. I think they're licensed in Curacao? This probably means that they need to follow the requirements of the regulator which means including KYC in their process.

I would always choose a casino that performs KYC anyway, it means they don't cheat their players

I don't know too much about curacao licensing, but i do know that a lot of popular casinos are licensed there.

One of the many things I ask myself:

in my country for any casino to have a license it needs to be located in my country, of course all people from my country can play at any casino in the world, but my point is this: how is a license issued in curacao for an anonymous casino that is located somewhere hidden can be in any way useful? I see a lot of people worrying about leave, but to this day I don't understand what the point of leave is? what use is the license?

in my case when a casino sponsors football or something in the real world, this casino is already reliable because the casino owner is no longer anonymous because as he sponsored things X, Y, Z in the real world he had to reveal his identity, he had to make a commitment, so he won't risk stealing people's money and running away. Of course, there are other points such as reputation gained over the years, but this licensing issue, I honestly don't see how this will help a casino to become reliable

Curacao gambling license is oldest license provider globally for iGaming business. There license was acknowledged by most of the country that doesn’t have strict gambling restriction that’s why only list all the countries that accepts there license and leave certain country such as US and UK on the list they are not allowed to imposed there gambling license since these countries has there gambling license sector.

Curacao license satisfy most of the criteria of countries that don’t have there own iGaming license provider that’s why it was the most common license for crypto casino because you can operate on multiple countries with just this license.

Complete review of Curacao License: https://nuxgame.com/blog/legal-hub/curacao-gaming-license-complete-review

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Quote from: cryptoexchanger.org on September 09, 2022, 04:43:04 AM

I think Cloudbet are licensed anyway, you can see it at the bottom of their homepage. I think they're licensed in Curacao? This probably means that they need to follow the requirements of the regulator which means including KYC in their process.

I would always choose a casino that performs KYC anyway, it means they don't cheat their players

I don't know too much about curacao licensing, but i do know that a lot of popular casinos are licensed there.

One of the many things I ask myself:

in my country for any casino to have a license it needs to be located in my country, of course all people from my country can play at any casino in the world, but my point is this: how is a license issued in curacao for an anonymous casino that is located somewhere hidden can be in any way useful? I see a lot of people worrying about leave, but to this day I don't understand what the point of leave is? what use is the license?

in my case when a casino sponsors football or something in the real world, this casino is already reliable because the casino owner is no longer anonymous because as he sponsored things X, Y, Z in the real world he had to reveal his identity, he had to make a commitment, so he won't risk stealing people's money and running away. Of course, there are other points such as reputation gained over the years, but this licensing issue, I honestly don't see how this will help a casino to become reliable

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Quote from: cryptoexchanger.org on September 09, 2022, 04:43:04 AM

I think Cloudbet are licensed anyway, you can see it at the bottom of their homepage. I think they're licensed in Curacao? This probably means that they need to follow the requirements of the regulator which means including KYC in their process.

I would always choose a casino that performs KYC anyway, it means they don't cheat their players

I don't know too much about curacao licensing, but i do know that a lot of popular casinos are licensed there.

The Curacao license is the most popular because it has a much easier requirements and very convenient to get in able for your casino legally operate on many countries that there license is valid. Curacao is one of the early license provider on crypto gambling business that’s why it was the best choice for crypto casino. There’s other license provider but they have a very limited country scope which is not practical at all.

Curacao KYC is now adjusting based on the casino country origin because there license scope varies per country judicial rules about online casino.

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Quote from: tester11919 on August 29, 2022, 09:50:52 AM

Hello guys! I started playing Cloudbet about 2 weeks ago. Donanted there about 200 POLKADOT tokens. After I got win and submited withdrawal - they asked for documents and just removed access to the account.

So, I sent documents there, but there is no response for 4 days already. I'm sending them message every day and getting same response like:

Kindly note that the verification is still underway at the moment, due to this access to the account cannot be granted.
The account is still under review and there is no update yet.

Please rest assured that we will be in touch with you as soon as once they get back to us.

So, can somebody help to get my crypto back?

Thanks

Just wanted to let you know that your case is not the first some users experienced it few months ago even bigger amount around $10k-20k But when you follow the procedure with real information and you don't commit a violation then don't worry your case will be resolved the same as the case I mentioned above already resolved. It's just that it takes longer I don't know what the reason is but maybe just want to make sure that you are not the same user in the past cases.

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Quote from: P2PECS on September 10, 2022, 10:28:26 AM

Well. I take it you are also one of those who believe that if you give your data to trusted exchanges, you are safe, right?

Nope, I never said that.

My point is a trusted and reliable site reduce the chance if your data would be sell on deepweb etc and I'm completely aware about KYC and privacy stuff. Now we're live in where governments want to take control over anything, as I said previously if you don't want to submit KYC, just leave the whole casino have KYC mandatory rules.

Quote from: erep on September 10, 2022, 11:53:00 AM

If there are many reports that not responding immediately will affect the reputation of the casino, there should be no delay in response regarding KYC and withdrawals due to sensitive issues so the team should actively respond to them immediately. From some of the posts above, I suggest the team to improve the "live support" and monitor the official thread on the Bitcointalk forum because here a lot of the gambler community asks for advice when the team has ignored user responses.

We don't know what the problem behind because it's case by case, the thing is they're need to verify if the KYC is legit and not photoshopped. Also they will looking for the account activity and see if he ever broke other rules until they make a conclusion.

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Quote from: logfiles on September 10, 2022, 03:32:50 PM

Nobody might be able to help you from here. Cloudbet account is inactive, maybe @icopress can help you get in touch with their representatives, but he was just their signature campaign manager, and he does not represent them

I will be happy to help if they send me the necessary information (case number and username) in the PM.

I will forward this information to my contact person and get back here with the details.

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I would always choose a casino that performs KYC anyway, it means they don't cheat their players

This is a bad conclusion, though. It looks like you have not seen services that defraud their customers through the excuse of KYC verification. Just try out the likes of freewallet or HitBTC.

Quote from: tester11919 on August 29, 2022, 09:50:52 AM

So, can somebody help to get my crypto back?

Nobody might be able to help you from here. Cloudbet account is inactive, maybe @icopress can help you get in touch with their representatives, but he was just their signature campaign manager, and he does not represent them

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Quote from: Solosanz on September 10, 2022, 10:20:59 AM

I don't quite sure who can handle this except the representative, but they're currently inactive in this forum. There's already a lot cases where Cloudbet really late to complete KYC or unfreeze someone funds.

If there are many reports that not responding immediately will affect the reputation of the casino, there should be no delay in response regarding KYC and withdrawals due to sensitive issues so the team should actively respond to them immediately. From some of the posts above, I suggest the team to improve the "live support" and monitor the official thread on the Bitcointalk forum because here a lot of the gambler community asks for advice when the team has ignored user responses.

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Quote from: Solosanz on September 10, 2022, 10:20:59 AM

That's why you need to trust and believe the casino first before giving our your KYC, it doesn't make sense if you're giving your KYC to untrusted or new casino. If you're worried about selling your data on deep web, I think you should avoid all centralized casino then.

Well. I take it you are also one of those who believe that if you give your data to trusted exchanges, you are safe, right?

Please have a look at this thread:

Coinbase the most anti-Bitcoin organisation. Make #DeleteCoinbase great again

An for example at this comment:

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on July 02, 2022, 02:21:56 PM

We have known for years that Coinbase collect every possible shred of data they can about you, and we have known for years that Coinbase will sell and share that data with absolutely anyone who will pay for it.

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Quote from: P2PECS on September 10, 2022, 10:12:46 AM

I don't quite see that relationship. I agree that most casinos that ask for KYC are legitimate, but nothing prevents a shady casino from asking for KYC, scamming you and then selling your data on the deep web or somewhere.

That's why you need to trust and believe the casino first before giving our your KYC, it doesn't make sense if you're giving your KYC to untrusted or new casino. If you're worried about selling your data on deep web, I think you should avoid all centralized casino then.

Quote from: tester11919 on August 29, 2022, 09:50:52 AM

So, can somebody help to get my crypto back?

I don't quite sure who can handle this except the representative, but they're currently inactive in this forum. There's already a lot cases where Cloudbet really late to complete KYC or unfreeze someone funds.

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I would always choose a casino that performs KYC anyway, it means they don't cheat their players

I don't quite see that relationship. I agree that most casinos that ask for KYC are legitimate, but nothing prevents a shady casino from asking for KYC, scamming you and then selling your data on the deep web or somewhere.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on August 31, 2022, 12:56:02 PM

Whenever we start operating in a casino, we can get excited and make many transactions, but when we are in a country that they call prohibited it is somewhat more difficult, if a person operates with a casino and makes a profit and when he wins he wants to make a withdrawal sometimes they are usually asked to pass a KYC to complete everything, but that is where the problem comes, because if the person does not want to give the KYC then everything will be in dispute, and this usually happens when the terms and conditions are not read or how is, and if that player had read that, I'm sure he would have stuck to everything that came to him with KYC.

I think Cloudbet are licensed anyway, you can see it at the bottom of their homepage. I think they're licensed in Curacao? This probably means that they need to follow the requirements of the regulator which means including KYC in their process.

@cryptoexchanger.org their license date is showing 9.9.2022 so does that mean it’s been renewed yesterday?, or it just shows the date of each day?. Furthermore KYC is the harsh reality that crypto currency gamblers need to accept, because there’s no getting past it and if one yet doesn’t feel comfortable then a simple option is to cash out their coins in fiat and wager in land based casinos.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on August 31, 2022, 12:56:02 PM

Whenever we start operating in a casino, we can get excited and make many transactions, but when we are in a country that they call prohibited it is somewhat more difficult, if a person operates with a casino and makes a profit and when he wins he wants to make a withdrawal sometimes they are usually asked to pass a KYC to complete everything, but that is where the problem comes, because if the person does not want to give the KYC then everything will be in dispute, and this usually happens when the terms and conditions are not read or how is, and if that player had read that, I'm sure he would have stuck to everything that came to him with KYC.

I think Cloudbet are licensed anyway, you can see it at the bottom of their homepage. I think they're licensed in Curacao? This probably means that they need to follow the requirements of the regulator which means including KYC in their process.

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