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Quote from: Juggy777 on April 20, 2022, 05:23:22 AM

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If this is because of the reason that BCCI is testing bowling actions in its 38 domestic teams then its a good approach. By this approach none of bowler with illegal action can make it Indian team. I don't think ICC has courage to suspend any of top Indian blower because of BCCI role in ICC matters. Still top bowlers from small boards are reported.

There is no doubt BCCI is the most powerful board, and they are taking some good advantage of this but now with the help of new technology things are going good for all other teams as well because it's clearly in favor of game and spirit of game even still ICC is the most controversial sports authority in world with their attitude and things which are not helping for having some good positive approach for cricket.
I was reading now in Pakistan they are also using the latest technology for bowlers action which will help them to solve their this issue which already kill many emerging bowlers careers with many were just victim of their personal likes and dislikes because PCB is the weakest board and have some good internal issues as well which never help them for having some strong stance for their bowlers and team.

I feel that BCCI can’t bend this rule for their bowler’s, because the video footage of the bowlers is available online and ICC can’t ignore the proof once it’s submitted, plus I haven’t heard of any Indian bowler being reported in a long while.
Lastly I’m glad that Pakistan is working on this, because I remember seeing few of their bowlers being banned due to their bowling action, and hopefully from now on none of their bowler’s will be banned due to violation of the bowling rules.

Actually, if this is not rigged, which I really think it's not.
I think not only Pakistan but all the other countries should really give a lot more importance to their players' bowling action. And I really think that if this is taken care of from the start of the career of a bowler in the future none of the bowlers will have to end their career because of wrong bowling action. Even though there might be a lot of talking about this system being rigged I think it is not.

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Quote from: dezoel on April 19, 2022, 02:48:12 PM

Quote from: blatchcorn on April 19, 2022, 02:56:50 AM

If this is because of the reason that BCCI is testing bowling actions in its 38 domestic teams then its a good approach. By this approach none of bowler with illegal action can make it Indian team. I don't think ICC has courage to suspend any of top Indian blower because of BCCI role in ICC matters. Still top bowlers from small boards are reported.

There is no doubt BCCI is the most powerful board, and they are taking some good advantage of this but now with the help of new technology things are going good for all other teams as well because it's clearly in favor of game and spirit of game even still ICC is the most controversial sports authority in world with their attitude and things which are not helping for having some good positive approach for cricket.

I was reading now in Pakistan they are also using the latest technology for bowlers action which will help them to solve their this issue which already kill many emerging bowlers careers with many were just victim of their personal likes and dislikes because PCB is the weakest board and have some good internal issues as well which never help them for having some strong stance for their bowlers and team.

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Quote from: dezoel on April 19, 2022, 02:48:12 PM

There is no doubt BCCI is the most powerful board, and they are taking some good advantage of this but now with the help of new technology things are going good for all other teams as well because it's clearly in favor of game and spirit of game even still ICC is the most controversial sports authority in world with their attitude and things which are not helping for having some good positive approach for cricket.

I was reading now in Pakistan they are also using the latest technology for bowlers action which will help them to solve their this issue which already kill many emerging bowlers careers with many were just victim of their personal likes and dislikes because PCB is the weakest board and have some good internal issues as well which never help them for having some strong stance for their bowlers and team.

It must be responsibility of all boards to check and correct bowling action of all of there bowlers at domestic levels and that too at early age when muscles are growing and bowling action can be adjusted. Once you are over 25 years and playing international cricket then its very hard to fix your action if you are reported.

I feel that BCCI can’t bend this rule for their bowler’s, because the video footage of the bowlers is available online and ICC can’t ignore the proof once it’s submitted, plus I haven’t heard of any Indian bowler being reported in a long while.

Lastly I’m glad that Pakistan is working on this, because I remember seeing few of their bowlers being banned due to their bowling action, and hopefully from now on none of their bowler’s will be banned due to violation of the bowling rules.

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Quote from: dezoel on April 19, 2022, 02:48:12 PM

There is no doubt BCCI is the most powerful board, and they are taking some good advantage of this but now with the help of new technology things are going good for all other teams as well because it's clearly in favor of game and spirit of game even still ICC is the most controversial sports authority in world with their attitude and things which are not helping for having some good positive approach for cricket.

I was reading now in Pakistan they are also using the latest technology for bowlers action which will help them to solve their this issue which already kill many emerging bowlers careers with many were just victim of their personal likes and dislikes because PCB is the weakest board and have some good internal issues as well which never help them for having some strong stance for their bowlers and team.

It must be responsibility of all boards to check and correct bowling action of all of there bowlers at domestic levels and that too at early age when muscles are growing and bowling action can be adjusted. Once you are over 25 years and playing international cricket then its very hard to fix your action if you are reported.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 19, 2022, 02:56:50 AM

If this is because of the reason that BCCI is testing bowling actions in its 38 domestic teams then its a good approach. By this approach none of bowler with illegal action can make it Indian team. I don't think ICC has courage to suspend any of top Indian blower because of BCCI role in ICC matters. Still top bowlers from small boards are reported.

There is no doubt BCCI is the most powerful board, and they are taking some good advantage of this but now with the help of new technology things are going good for all other teams as well because it's clearly in favor of game and spirit of game even still ICC is the most controversial sports authority in world with their attitude and things which are not helping for having some good positive approach for cricket.

I was reading now in Pakistan they are also using the latest technology for bowlers action which will help them to solve their this issue which already kill many emerging bowlers careers with many were just victim of their personal likes and dislikes because PCB is the weakest board and have some good internal issues as well which never help them for having some strong stance for their bowlers and team.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 18, 2022, 09:18:59 PM

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I really don't know if anyone from the big three has any suspicious bowling action. But it does look a little bit suspicious that the only bowlers are getting reported for suspicious action from outside of the Big 3. We all know that the rules of cricket are made to benefit the big three and we have seen the bowling action rules changing many times I wonder if that happened for the exact same reason.

In the recent times, I don't remember anyone from India getting reported for suspect bowling action. But in the past, we had quite a few. There were a number of promising bowlers (both pacers, as well as spinners) whose career ended as a result of getting reported for chucking. And nowadays, the decision is being made with the help of technology. If the bend is more than the allowed limit (15 degrees), then the bowler is being told to rectify his action. It is similar to DRS. No one can claim that technology is helping one side and negatively impacting the other side.

In India, I don't remember any world-class players falling victim to this rule. yes, there might be some promising players who might have had the worst of this. But not the players who are already playing really well.

I am obviously not saying that this is because of some advantage or anything. What I am trying to say is that they are probably working really well right now and that's why the players are already playing with good action.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 18, 2022, 09:18:59 PM

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If this is because of the reason that BCCI is testing bowling actions in its 38 domestic teams then its a good approach. By this approach none of bowler with illegal action can make it Indian team. I don't think ICC has courage to suspend any of top Indian blower because of BCCI role in ICC matters. Still top bowlers from small boards are reported.

I think you made a really good point that ICC is not going to report top bowlers of a country that is paying them really well. the top bowlers from small boards are supposed to be reported because they don't have that important role in ICC which is paying them really well. I think that is why probably the bowlers from the top cricket-playing nations don't get reported very often.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 19, 2022, 02:56:50 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 18, 2022, 09:18:59 PM

In the recent times, I don't remember anyone from India getting reported for suspect bowling action. But in the past, we had quite a few. There were a number of promising bowlers (both pacers, as well as spinners) whose career ended as a result of getting reported for chucking. And nowadays, the decision is being made with the help of technology. If the bend is more than the allowed limit (15 degrees), then the bowler is being told to rectify his action. It is similar to DRS. No one can claim that technology is helping one side and negatively impacting the other side.

If this is because of the reason that BCCI is testing bowling actions in its 38 domestic teams then its a good approach. By this approach none of bowler with illegal action can make it Indian team. I don't think ICC has courage to suspend any of top Indian blower because of BCCI role in ICC matters. Still top bowlers from small boards are reported.

It is undoubtedly say that BCCI is the most powerful board in the cricket world. However, if there is power, many people try to take a little advantage, but since the technology gives us more clear concept about any thing of the cricket so no one will be able to impose any decision directly.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 18, 2022, 09:18:59 PM

In the recent times, I don't remember anyone from India getting reported for suspect bowling action. But in the past, we had quite a few. There were a number of promising bowlers (both pacers, as well as spinners) whose career ended as a result of getting reported for chucking. And nowadays, the decision is being made with the help of technology. If the bend is more than the allowed limit (15 degrees), then the bowler is being told to rectify his action. It is similar to DRS. No one can claim that technology is helping one side and negatively impacting the other side.

If this is because of the reason that BCCI is testing bowling actions in its 38 domestic teams then its a good approach. By this approach none of bowler with illegal action can make it Indian team. I don't think ICC has courage to suspend any of top Indian blower because of BCCI role in ICC matters. Still top bowlers from small boards are reported.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on April 18, 2022, 08:47:18 AM

I really don't know if anyone from the big three has any suspicious bowling action. But it does look a little bit suspicious that the only bowlers are getting reported for suspicious action from outside of the Big 3. We all know that the rules of cricket are made to benefit the big three and we have seen the bowling action rules changing many times I wonder if that happened for the exact same reason.

In the recent times, I don't remember anyone from India getting reported for suspect bowling action. But in the past, we had quite a few. There were a number of promising bowlers (both pacers, as well as spinners) whose career ended as a result of getting reported for chucking. And nowadays, the decision is being made with the help of technology. If the bend is more than the allowed limit (15 degrees), then the bowler is being told to rectify his action. It is similar to DRS. No one can claim that technology is helping one side and negatively impacting the other side.

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Quote from: KennyR on April 18, 2022, 08:58:41 AM

If there is someone with a suspicious bowling action, then any other boards can report them. Maybe the boards were fearing the top three. However rule change with any game is common, and cricket rules in comparison to the past have changed a lot. Can we say the rules were favouring just a single country, no it is framed commonly.

Rules are not favoring anyone it's all about their own domestic system and grassroots game in most of developing countries things are not working as it's need to be done because they have no enough funds and support for these, so they suffer and countries like Australia and England are working on basic things from early days of every player which help them in positive way for their rest of career.

But, now recently few countries are also adopting the latest techniques which could be game changer for them, and they could be able to settle their few basic problems and surely this could be very helpful for many emerging players with their problems, and they could be able to serve their countries in positive and fair way.

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Quote from: lixer on April 18, 2022, 07:41:03 AM

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Saeed Ajmal was chucking and he could not rectify his bowling action even after getting a second warning and that was the end of his career. If there are players who are chucking the ball he or she will be reported and will be asked to rectify their bowling action and if you think that there are bowlers that have suspicious bowling action, we will have a debate on that and i want to hear from you which bowlers are having suspicious action from big 3 according to you Tongue

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Most of the time peoples have no knowledge what are they talking and start conversation which is never been good, no doubt Saeed Ajmal was chucking and as he reported he got banned and after this in search of new action he lost his best. As mention in few previous posts here in few countries they have no things for checking bowlers actions in domestic, so this creates problems for them in international matches.

But, the good thing happening now countries like Pakistan and few others using the latest technology for solving this issue which damaging their many bowlers and England and Australia never face this issue as they solve this all in very early stages of bowler's career which help them, and they never face this issue.

That technology could be another reason why the bigger teams do not face any kind of problems like this with their bowlers. I mean as far as I can remember I think Australia and England are the teams that actually introduced proper technology in cricket. And that's why they are able to use that to ensure they are doing the right things. But the other countries did not get that type of technology for quite a long time. And I think that must have been an issue.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on April 18, 2022, 08:47:18 AM

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Quote from: galambo on April 15, 2022, 11:45:57 AM

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Mushtaq and Qadir used to bowl in 80s and early 90s, do we have such sophisticated technology and strict rules at that time? How about Saeed Ajmal ? He was also a leg spinner and doing so good before got banned for illegal action. I don't know why any bolwer from big 3 is reported.

Saeed Ajmal was chucking and he could not rectify his bowling action even after getting a second warning and that was the end of his career. If there are players who are chucking the ball he or she will be reported and will be asked to rectify their bowling action and if you think that there are bowlers that have suspicious bowling action, we will have a debate on that and i want to hear from you which bowlers are having suspicious action from big 3 according to you Tongue

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I really don't know if anyone from the big three has any suspicious bowling action. But it does look a little bit suspicious that the only bowlers are getting reported for suspicious action from outside of the Big 3. We all know that the rules of cricket are made to benefit the big three and we have seen the bowling action rules changing many times I wonder if that happened for the exact same reason.

If there is someone with a suspicious bowling action, then any other boards can report them. Maybe the boards were fearing the top three. However rule change with any game is common, and cricket rules in comparison to the past have changed a lot. Can we say the rules were favouring just a single country, no it is framed commonly.

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Quote from: galambo on April 15, 2022, 11:45:57 AM

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Mushtaq and Qadir used to bowl in 80s and early 90s, do we have such sophisticated technology and strict rules at that time? How about Saeed Ajmal ? He was also a leg spinner and doing so good before got banned for illegal action. I don't know why any bolwer from big 3 is reported.

Saeed Ajmal was chucking and he could not rectify his bowling action even after getting a second warning and that was the end of his career. If there are players who are chucking the ball he or she will be reported and will be asked to rectify their bowling action and if you think that there are bowlers that have suspicious bowling action, we will have a debate on that and i want to hear from you which bowlers are having suspicious action from big 3 according to you Tongue

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I really don't know if anyone from the big three has any suspicious bowling action. But it does look a little bit suspicious that the only bowlers are getting reported for suspicious action from outside of the Big 3. We all know that the rules of cricket are made to benefit the big three and we have seen the bowling action rules changing many times I wonder if that happened for the exact same reason.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on April 17, 2022, 06:06:58 PM

Saeed Ajmal was chucking and he could not rectify his bowling action even after getting a second warning and that was the end of his career. If there are players who are chucking the ball he or she will be reported and will be asked to rectify their bowling action and if you think that there are bowlers that have suspicious bowling action, we will have a debate on that and i want to hear from you which bowlers are having suspicious action from big 3 according to you Tongue

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Most of the time peoples have no knowledge what are they talking and start conversation which is never been good, no doubt Saeed Ajmal was chucking and as he reported he got banned and after this in search of new action he lost his best. As mention in few previous posts here in few countries they have no things for checking bowlers actions in domestic, so this creates problems for them in international matches.

But, the good thing happening now countries like Pakistan and few others using the latest technology for solving this issue which damaging their many bowlers and England and Australia never face this issue as they solve this all in very early stages of bowler's career which help them, and they never face this issue.

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Quote from: lixer on April 17, 2022, 03:20:41 PM

Quote from: Maidak on April 17, 2022, 10:50:18 AM

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Maybe you are right in your logic about better money, but I want to say one thing domestic system in Australia and England are very strong and if any bowler having any issue related to this then they mostly send him in academies and having to solve this and then join again, or they drop him from their county as well because they feel he is not eligible for this so just because of this we never have any case from these two top ranked countries in cricket.

Here in other developing countries they have no enough technology and better system which help these youngsters so as they reach in international level then empires catch them, and they face these problems which are mostly controversial because these countries and players mostly feel these things are not fair, and they are afraid of this bowler, so they are doing these dirty tactics.

I think your logic is also strong because we all know that the domestic setup in many countries and especially in the subcontinent is not a hundred percent pure. There is certainly a lot of fixing and favoritism going on. But in the top countries, I don't think it is a problem because they genuinely look for good talent to enrich their squad and not run after money like a lot of other cricket boards do.

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Quote from: galambo on April 15, 2022, 11:45:57 AM

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Mushtaq and Qadir used to bowl in 80s and early 90s, do we have such sophisticated technology and strict rules at that time? How about Saeed Ajmal ? He was also a leg spinner and doing so good before got banned for illegal action. I don't know why any bolwer from big 3 is reported.

Saeed Ajmal was chucking and he could not rectify his bowling action even after getting a second warning and that was the end of his career. If there are players who are chucking the ball he or she will be reported and will be asked to rectify their bowling action and if you think that there are bowlers that have suspicious bowling action, we will have a debate on that and i want to hear from you which bowlers are having suspicious action from big 3 according to you Tongue

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Quote from: romero121 on April 17, 2022, 04:18:38 AM

The bowling correction is very common with all levels of bowlers from all countries. There is nothing as the bowlers from specific countries weren't reported. Even before entering the international cricket career players were corrected for the bowling action. The latest bowler from India to have bowling correction after suspect action is Natarajan.
Natarajan corrected his action to save career

Natarajan is certainly the yorker king in India and is one of the most successful bowlers in his time. And with his humble beginnings, Natarajan becomes an inspiration for poor people which made him more focused and become more skilled in his bowling career. There are a lot of cricket players that have become exceptionally good in their performances but i think Natarajan itself will always be a legend in his bowling expertise.

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Quote from: Maidak on April 17, 2022, 10:50:18 AM

I really have to be honest that I don't find too many people in the top few countries having bowling action problems. I really can't remember when I heard about an Australian bowler or an England bowler having problems with their actions. obviously, I can be wrong but I honestly cannot remember. and we all know how ICC is towards the countries that are paying them better money.

Maybe you are right in your logic about better money, but I want to say one thing domestic system in Australia and England are very strong and if any bowler having any issue related to this then they mostly send him in academies and having to solve this and then join again, or they drop him from their county as well because they feel he is not eligible for this so just because of this we never have any case from these two top ranked countries in cricket.

Here in other developing countries they have no enough technology and better system which help these youngsters so as they reach in international level then empires catch them, and they face these problems which are mostly controversial because these countries and players mostly feel these things are not fair, and they are afraid of this bowler, so they are doing these dirty tactics.

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Quote from: Maidak on April 17, 2022, 10:50:18 AM

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I really have to be honest that I don't find too many people in the top few countries having bowling action problems. I really can't remember when I heard about an Australian bowler or an England bowler having problems with their actions. obviously, I can be wrong but I honestly cannot remember. and we all know how ICC is towards the countries that are paying them better money.

There is a reason for that, if you are found to have a suspected bowling action you will not be selected to play in first class matches let alone play for the country and hence you wont be able to see anyone with suspected action. I do accept that Mohammad Hasnain who is declared illegal recently, i did not personally seen any issue with the bowling action after watching some of his spells and yet to see his delivery that is deemed illegal.

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Quote from: romero121 on April 17, 2022, 04:18:38 AM

The bowling correction is very common with all levels of bowlers from all countries. There is nothing as the bowlers from specific countries weren't reported. Even before entering the international cricket career players were corrected for the bowling action. The latest bowler from India to have bowling correction after suspect action is Natarajan.
Natarajan corrected his action to save career

I really have to be honest that I don't find too many people in the top few countries having bowling action problems. I really can't remember when I heard about an Australian bowler or an England bowler having problems with their actions. obviously, I can be wrong but I honestly cannot remember. and we all know how ICC is towards the countries that are paying them better money.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 17, 2022, 06:08:18 AM

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Ashwin do deserve mention in this list. In early his career he also faced similar charges but this fucker is engineer so he came up with the so called ridiculous solution. He started wearing freaking full sleeves to avoid any unnecessary attention in start of his career, i am not making this shit up as these are actually his own words. No wonder everyone hates his mf ethical mind.

PS : Big fan of Ashwin.

Saeed Ajmal also wear full sleeve shirt but was reported. I don't think ashwin was ever reported and corrected his action. Based on historical data any player that is reported ever has gone forever and won't ever be able to resume his international career.

Yes, that's correct and when Ashwin revealed this inside information. ICC kinda shadow banned this practice. Saeed Ajmal also talked about Ashwin being big mouth in the past.

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Was not aware of this, in his youtube channel he talks openly about things he faced and share everything and may be he shared this in his youtube channel. Even with full sleeves now it is easy to identify with all the cameras available Cheesy

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His content in his channel is amazing. I don't understand tamil but i always try to watch his video with subtitles and i have to say he does have an ethical mind lol. Very insightful and tactical individual, no wonder he knows every loophole in ICC playbook and remember every law.

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