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Quote from: galambo on February 21, 2022, 03:28:48 AM

Attitude of big-3 specially India is very arrogant, as they have rules like no indian player will play any foreign leagues, no Pakistani player can play IPL and what you mentioned (not sending team to Asian games). More sad is role of ICC in such situations as it merely has no authority to solve things when there is conflict. Do you ever wonder where are teams of kenya, Zimbabwe?

Here you are right Big-3 is main problem in ICC and cricket's better future specially Indian are doing dirty politics after introduction of IPL and having huge funds in their pockets.

But here concern is not IPL, and we are not talking why they are not allowing their players for other leagues and now allowing Pakistani cricketers in their league here is concern these all boards need to do some worth with ICC for having better structure and other facilities in countries where we can do some good for this game and youths can join this as professional cricketer which is increase its popularity, and we will be able to have some more good and quality teams in this frame.

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Quote from: Emitdama on February 21, 2022, 02:48:30 AM

ICC is supreme authority in Cricket, and they need to do some work for bringing more nations into this community with the help of other countries, but sadly right now they are involved in politics more than game, so it's a big concern right now for this all.

As currently short format is developing with many non cricket playing nations they need to do some marketing which bring better progress now recently we have some positive announcement about cricket in Olympics but still it's not easy and will take some good time because many countries have no facilities for game which is a problem and now recently Indian Board announces they will not send their cricket team in Asian games which is also another issue many countries never take this serious due to their own politics.

Attitude of big-3 specially India is very arrogant, as they have rules like no indian player will play any foreign leagues, no Pakistani player can play IPL and what you mentioned (not sending team to Asian games). More sad is role of ICC in such situations as it merely has no authority to solve things when there is conflict. Do you ever wonder where are teams of kenya, Zimbabwe?

Yes its really sad what happened with teams like Zimbabwe and Kenya. I still remember in 2003 50 over world cup India played the semi finals with Kenya. Also at that time Zimbabwe was considered to be a very good team. But now these teams have just dissapeared. I dont have even heard of kenya since years. I dont think they are even playing with associate nations.

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Quote from: Emitdama on February 21, 2022, 02:48:30 AM

ICC is supreme authority in Cricket, and they need to do some work for bringing more nations into this community with the help of other countries, but sadly right now they are involved in politics more than game, so it's a big concern right now for this all.

As currently short format is developing with many non cricket playing nations they need to do some marketing which bring better progress now recently we have some positive announcement about cricket in Olympics but still it's not easy and will take some good time because many countries have no facilities for game which is a problem and now recently Indian Board announces they will not send their cricket team in Asian games which is also another issue many countries never take this serious due to their own politics.

Attitude of big-3 specially India is very arrogant, as they have rules like no indian player will play any foreign leagues, no Pakistani player can play IPL and what you mentioned (not sending team to Asian games). More sad is role of ICC in such situations as it merely has no authority to solve things when there is conflict. Do you ever wonder where are teams of kenya, Zimbabwe?

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on February 20, 2022, 05:39:09 PM

How can we blame ICC because they are not getting popular among nations that are not even taking the sport seriously. If you need to attract the best talents, you need to have the incentives to play the game, if not good athletes will find a sport that will give the financial freedom. With T20 leagues getting popular we might see talents from countries that are not popular with the game and for the game to get more attention it should be included in the Olympics, if so we can see a major change.

ICC is supreme authority in Cricket, and they need to do some work for bringing more nations into this community with the help of other countries, but sadly right now they are involved in politics more than game, so it's a big concern right now for this all.

As currently short format is developing with many non cricket playing nations they need to do some marketing which bring better progress now recently we have some positive announcement about cricket in Olympics but still it's not easy and will take some good time because many countries have no facilities for game which is a problem and now recently Indian Board announces they will not send their cricket team in Asian games which is also another issue many countries never take this serious due to their own politics.

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Quote from: Emitdama on February 20, 2022, 02:02:08 PM

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Surely cricket is completely different from soccer, and we have not market like soccer but still I will blame ICC for this all because they completely fail even now they have very good chance with short formats that they can spread this and have very good results but sadly due to internal issues they are not working about this even now we are losing teams from these 10 teams as well.

How can we blame ICC because they are not getting popular among nations that are not even taking the sport seriously. If you need to attract the best talents, you need to have the incentives to play the game, if not good athletes will find a sport that will give the financial freedom. With T20 leagues getting popular we might see talents from countries that are not popular with the game and for the game to get more attention it should be included in the Olympics, if so we can see a major change.

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Quote from: Maidak on February 20, 2022, 01:25:23 AM

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So ultimately the cricket leagues like IPL and PSL choose their players from well-known national teams. As we can see that cricket is a game which is played with the national team more than league teams, the number of nations playing cricket needs to increase as soon as possible.

The IPL is scouting players from domestic leagues all around the globe and a performance in the IPL will give them a call up to their national team. Sunil Narine and David Miller are a few players that had a long stay in their national team due to their performance in the IPL. There are a lot of players that are in the Indian team that are solely selected due to their performance in the IPL.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on February 20, 2022, 12:25:58 AM

Cricket is very different then Football. There are 100 strong football teams worldwide while in cricket we hardly have 10 teams that are capable of playing test. ICC has done its part in elimination of cricket from countries like Zim and Kenya who once have decent cricket teams.
Its board who give recognition to players by including them in national squad and from there they are picked by league's. IPL always picks players from national teams of different countries they never pick domestic players of foreign countries. Boards have the right to allow or not for IPL or anyother league.

Surely cricket is completely different from soccer, and we have not market like soccer but still I will blame ICC for this all because they completely fail even now they have very good chance with short formats that they can spread this and have very good results but sadly due to internal issues they are not working about this even now we are losing teams from these 10 teams as well.

Few crises in South Africa and Zimbabwe with West Indies is already out of cricket with their domestic issues and very few teams are capable for providing good quality game because mostly others have no good structure for this. Cricket is currently having some better future in Asian Sub-continent and Australia New Zealand regions, all others are on verge of losing their grip.

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Quote from: Maidak on February 20, 2022, 01:25:23 AM

I think that's the problem because in football we can see that a lot of players who are not that well known for playing with their national team, still get recognized because of the domestic league they play in.

But in cricket, the only way to get recognized is through international play and by playing with the national team. When there is no team to play with it's absolutely impossible to get recognized by the leagues.

So ultimately the cricket leagues like IPL and PSL choose their players from well-known national teams. As we can see that cricket is a game which is played with the national team more than league teams, the number of nations playing cricket needs to increase as soon as possible.

In PSL we see lot many players who have not played any international cricket for there country just because of there domestic cricket performance they are selected, for instance, Will Smeed of Quetta Gladiators. In IPL there is no way you can be selected if you are a domestic oversea player only inidan domestic players are selected.

Cricket these is revolving around IPL these days. So we can't compare cricket with football.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on February 20, 2022, 12:25:58 AM

Cricket is very different then Football. There are 100 strong football teams worldwide while in cricket we hardly have 10 teams that are capable of playing test. ICC has done its part in elimination of cricket from countries like Zim and Kenya who once have decent cricket teams.
Its board who give recognition to players by including them in national squad and from there they are picked by league's. IPL always picks players from national teams of different countries they never pick domestic players of foreign countries. Boards have the right to allow or not for IPL or anyother league.

I think that's the problem because in football we can see that a lot of players who are not that well known for playing with their national team, still get recognized because of the domestic league they play in.

But in cricket, the only way to get recognized is through international play and by playing with the national team. When there is no team to play with it's absolutely impossible to get recognized by the leagues.

So ultimately the cricket leagues like IPL and PSL choose their players from well-known national teams. As we can see that cricket is a game which is played with the national team more than league teams, the number of nations playing cricket needs to increase as soon as possible.

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Quote from: Maidak on February 19, 2022, 10:29:56 AM

I think that they wanted to make it like football. But we all know that international matches are really important in cricket and a lot more than football. So I think there need to be set rules which the player will have to follow if they want to play League cricket.

But the problem is sometimes in the past we have seen that the boards have refused their players to play IPL but the players did anyway and the boards took Strict action against those players. But we still see a lot of players disregarding the decision of the boards and go for playing League cricket because the day is really good.

Cricket is very different then Football. There are 100 strong football teams worldwide while in cricket we hardly have 10 teams that are capable of playing test. ICC has done its part in elimination of cricket from countries like Zim and Kenya who once have decent cricket teams.
Its board who give recognition to players by including them in national squad and from there they are picked by league's. IPL always picks players from national teams of different countries they never pick domestic players of foreign countries. Boards have the right to allow or not for IPL or anyother league.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 18, 2022, 08:50:23 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on February 18, 2022, 06:35:52 PM

The Indian Women players are not making the same amount of money the men's cricketers are earning and hence they are allowed to play in any league they want and they do not have a tight schedule like men cricket players. The problem is, if there is no set rules to restrict the players from taking part in leagues around the globe, you will not see any bilateral series or domestic tournaments and certainly the ICC or any cricket boards would not want that to happen.

My suggestion is that Cricket Australia and ECB should ban Indian women's players from taking part in the WBBL and The Women's Hundred. Why should they be allowed to participate when the Indian men players are not allowed in BBL/Hundred? It is not the responsibility of these cricket boards to groom the female Indian players. The BCCI can't simply outsource their job abroad. They are the richest cricket board, and still they don't want to spend money on setting up a new women's franchise T20 league.

That's actually very well said. India is one of the richest boards in ICC. And if they don't wanna start a women's T20 league, it's a shame.

I think India knows very well that it might not bring the revenue that they want, so why even bother taking that risk, right?

India has been saying that they are going to take necessary steps for arranging a women's T20 league but I highly doubt that they are actually going to do something about it in the recent future.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 18, 2022, 08:50:23 PM

My suggestion is that Cricket Australia and ECB should ban Indian women's players from taking part in the WBBL and The Women's Hundred.

That's something ECB and CA also knows but cant speak in front of BCCI since they don't wanna lose there share in money rich BCCI. Nobody is willing to take women cricket seriously.

Well, at least no one in India is really taking women's cricket seriously. But I really don't understand why the Indian women's team is not bad at all. I think it would have brought a decent viewership too. Probably just a case of BCCI not wanting to take the risk I guess.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on February 19, 2022, 01:20:30 AM

Quote from: eaLiTy on February 18, 2022, 06:35:52 PM

The problem is, if there is no set rules to restrict the players from taking part in leagues around the globe, you will not see any bilateral series or domestic tournaments and certainly the ICC or any cricket boards would not want that to happen.

I dont understand. Right now only Indian players are not taking part in any leagues except IPL, rest of the world is playing all leagues and still bilateral series are going on. Recently CA made there players missed first part of IPL due to there series with Pakistan and also South Africa board refused to issues NOC to there players since they have series against India.

I think that they wanted to make it like football. But we all know that international matches are really important in cricket and a lot more than football. So I think there need to be set rules which the player will have to follow if they want to play League cricket.

But the problem is sometimes in the past we have seen that the boards have refused their players to play IPL but the players did anyway and the boards took Strict action against those players. But we still see a lot of players disregarding the decision of the boards and go for playing League cricket because the day is really good.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on February 18, 2022, 06:35:52 PM

The problem is, if there is no set rules to restrict the players from taking part in leagues around the globe, you will not see any bilateral series or domestic tournaments and certainly the ICC or any cricket boards would not want that to happen.

I dont understand. Right now only Indian players are not taking part in any leagues except IPL, rest of the world is playing all leagues and still bilateral series are going on. Recently CA made there players missed first part of IPL due to there series with Pakistan and also South Africa board refused to issues NOC to there players since they have series against India.

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 18, 2022, 08:50:23 PM

My suggestion is that Cricket Australia and ECB should ban Indian women's players from taking part in the WBBL and The Women's Hundred.

That's something ECB and CA also knows but cant speak in front of BCCI since they don't wanna lose there share in money rich BCCI. Nobody is willing to take women cricket seriously.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on February 18, 2022, 06:35:52 PM

The Indian Women players are not making the same amount of money the men's cricketers are earning and hence they are allowed to play in any league they want and they do not have a tight schedule like men cricket players. The problem is, if there is no set rules to restrict the players from taking part in leagues around the globe, you will not see any bilateral series or domestic tournaments and certainly the ICC or any cricket boards would not want that to happen.

My suggestion is that Cricket Australia and ECB should ban Indian women's players from taking part in the WBBL and The Women's Hundred. Why should they be allowed to participate when the Indian men players are not allowed in BBL/Hundred? It is not the responsibility of these cricket boards to groom the female Indian players. The BCCI can't simply outsource their job abroad. They are the richest cricket board, and still they don't want to spend money on setting up a new women's franchise T20 league.

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Quote from: coinism on February 18, 2022, 07:20:50 AM

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On the other hand women Indian team players are allowed to take part on BBL and The hundred. It's only men who can't play anywhere else.
PSL is very small league as compared to IPL, so it won't be too much attractive for Indian players as they now are used to million of usd for every auction.
It's not good for the game that countries decide themselves that with whom they will play ?

The Indian Women players are not making the same amount of money the men's cricketers are earning and hence they are allowed to play in any league they want and they do not have a tight schedule like men cricket players. The problem is, if there is no set rules to restrict the players from taking part in leagues around the globe, you will not see any bilateral series or domestic tournaments and certainly the ICC or any cricket boards would not want that to happen.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on February 17, 2022, 08:36:40 AM

Political situation between both countries take twist when big powers intervene. I don't think it will be dry period forever and we can't say when it will last. India likes to play with Pakistan in icc events only since they have better record against Pakistan there. Victory in last T20 WC was first ever win by Pakistan against India in WC.

India has a better record in ICC events against Pakistan. But Pakistan is coming on though. They have performed quite well against India in the recent ICC tournaments. And I don't think that any change in any political power is going to help the issue that they are not playing against each other. I think this is one debate that even the players have just accepted and moved on, we all should accept.

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 17, 2022, 11:27:34 PM

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In fact there have been demands from some of the political parties in India that they should stop playing against Pakistan even during the ICC tournaments such as World Cup and Champions Trophy.

If India have actually done that I think they are just dumb, whoever said that must be really dumb to think that ICC is going to let something like that happen. I don't think something like this is going to happen but I also don't think that these teams are going to play against each other outside of ICC events.

Quote from: JohnBitCo on February 18, 2022, 02:03:31 AM

In order to cool down the situation, indian players should be allowed to play in PSL and pakistani players should be allowed to play in IPL. This will not only make both the tornaments more entertaining but at the same time it will create a friendly enviroment between the two teams and also among the public. Who knows due to this the tension between the two countires eases and they can have series with each other.

I think that's a good solution and a different approach to a unique problem. And by doing so, both IPL and PSL are going to have a huge boost in viewership. But in reality, I don't think that is going to happen.

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Quote from: KennyR on February 17, 2022, 07:22:58 PM

Do you guys watch the women's cricket. India Women is playing against New Zealand Women in the third ODI. India Women is playing a 5 match ODI series touring New Zealand. First two matches were a win for New Zealand, the second match was very close and this match also doesn't look like a win for India Women who have managed to score 195 runs losing 5 wickets in 34 overs.

Even Indian women down in this series badly with lost of only twenty/20 and now down 3 - 0 in ODI but still few very good individual efforts from Team India are good signals before start of World Cup all matches were close ones and Indian batting line-up doing good job with having 270 and 279 runs in last two ODI's for me New Zealand women doing this all just because of having home ground advantage otherwise these results could be completely different Deepti Sharma and Goswami doing very good bowling but all in vain hopefully we will have some better results from these women's in mega event which is going to start after 10 days and Indian team is going to play first match against Pakistan which could be very easy win for them and good start of this campaign.

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Quote from: StLucifer on February 18, 2022, 02:55:26 AM

Well there is no chance of this going to happen any time soon. Specially indian players in PSL in never going to be possible. Indian players are not even allowed to play any league all around the world not even Big bash or any other league. So playing them in PSL is no way near possible .

On the other hand women Indian team players are allowed to take part on BBL and The hundred. It's only men who can't play anywhere else.
PSL is very small league as compared to IPL, so it won't be too much attractive for Indian players as they now are used to million of usd for every auction.
It's not good for the game that countries decide themselves that with whom they will play ?

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As few other members already mention tension and other problems related to these countries, surely no one has doubt we will never watch bilateral series between these two countries in next few decades because no one want to solve issues even most of political parties trying to have some better number game with this tension. But good thing we can watch these countries only in ICC events which is also not bad at all as we read few days back all tickets sold out in few hours for match between India vs Pakistan in upcoming ICC twenty/20 World Cup which is going to hold in Australia. Other than this we have nothing special from these countries, specially in cricket because mostly politicians fees it is a better way to create hate between these countries peoples, so they are fueling this all.

With now IPL is next biggest event coming in few weeks hopefully things could be good as recently we have many cases with covid19 and many players are also having problem with this all.

The problem is that everyone knows there is a certain problem but no one seems to give the solution. And no solution is going to work if not the tension between the two countries reduces.

And as we know that the political leaders control almost everything about sport in a country, I don't think the situation is going to improve even in the next 10 years in my opinion. I actually think that both the teams have accepted the fact and moved on and I think that is something that we should also do as fans. The only time we are going to see India versus Pakistan is in the ICC events.

In order to cool down the situation, indian players should be allowed to play in PSL and pakistani players should be allowed to play in IPL. This will not only make both the tornaments more entertaining but at the same time it will create a friendly enviroment between the two teams and also among the public. Who knows due to this the tension between the two countires eases and they can have series with each other.

Well there is no chance of this going to happen any time soon. Specially indian players in PSL in never going to be possible. Indian players are not even allowed to play any league all around the world not even Big bash or any other league. So playing them in PSL is no way near possible .

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on February 17, 2022, 08:01:49 AM

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As few other members already mention tension and other problems related to these countries, surely no one has doubt we will never watch bilateral series between these two countries in next few decades because no one want to solve issues even most of political parties trying to have some better number game with this tension. But good thing we can watch these countries only in ICC events which is also not bad at all as we read few days back all tickets sold out in few hours for match between India vs Pakistan in upcoming ICC twenty/20 World Cup which is going to hold in Australia. Other than this we have nothing special from these countries, specially in cricket because mostly politicians fees it is a better way to create hate between these countries peoples, so they are fueling this all.

With now IPL is next biggest event coming in few weeks hopefully things could be good as recently we have many cases with covid19 and many players are also having problem with this all.

The problem is that everyone knows there is a certain problem but no one seems to give the solution. And no solution is going to work if not the tension between the two countries reduces.

And as we know that the political leaders control almost everything about sport in a country, I don't think the situation is going to improve even in the next 10 years in my opinion. I actually think that both the teams have accepted the fact and moved on and I think that is something that we should also do as fans. The only time we are going to see India versus Pakistan is in the ICC events.

In order to cool down the situation, indian players should be allowed to play in PSL and pakistani players should be allowed to play in IPL. This will not only make both the tornaments more entertaining but at the same time it will create a friendly enviroment between the two teams and also among the public. Who knows due to this the tension between the two countires eases and they can have series with each other.

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