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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 09, 2022, 12:37:12 AM

Its very hard to maintain same class with bowling action changed. Bolwers have a bowling action that they carry with them since they bowl first delivery of there life. We saw Saeed Ajmal got reported and after his action was cleared he couldn't maintain his original form. In countries like Pakistan bowling action are reported only once you are in international cricket before that in first class there is no check.

No doubt it's very hard for anyone to do this but keep one thing in mind age factor is still with this wonder kid, and he can do things even it's going to take some time because it's not all over for him PCB is doing some good work. Surely one poor thing is happening in Pakistan they are not doing any good and authentic work for checking these guys before their International entry, so it's hurting many guys hopefully in near future we will have some good changes in this way as well because now things are changing in positive way very quickly for them and after successful PSL and Australian tour they are feeling some healthy in financial sector which was concern for them in the past.

If we have some not wholesale changes in near then surely PCB could be on track for these young guys, and they will lead from front for their country in this fast bowling.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 08, 2022, 10:26:28 PM

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Muhammad Hasnain game is over as he is reported for illegal bowling action. Right now only shaheen is the one that has class. In 90s Pakistan has great bowlers like Imran Khan, wasim. Waqar, shoaib etc. Muhammad Asif was the one who was admired even by shoaib Akhtar but he was banned for spot fixing.

What happened to Hasnain is really unfortunate. He had a few good outings for Sydney Thunder in the BBL, before being reported for suspicious bowling action by the umpires. Now he is undergoing rehabilitation and need to change his bowling style. The big challenge is to ensure that his pace and venom remains the same even after changing the bowling action. And it can be very tough. In the past I have seen only a few bowlers managing to do it without any issues. Just hoping that the PCB is offering enough support to Hasnain.

I really don't think it is going to be the same after the rehabilitation. In the past, we have seen the same case where a bowler has to undergo rehabilitation and he was not the same bowler after he was cleared to play. He needs all the support from the Pakistan cricket board that he can get. but I highly doubt that he is going to be the same bowler with the same set of skills after this.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 08, 2022, 10:26:28 PM

What happened to Hasnain is really unfortunate. He had a few good outings for Sydney Thunder in the BBL, before being reported for suspicious bowling action by the umpires. Now he is undergoing rehabilitation and need to change his bowling style. The big challenge is to ensure that his pace and venom remains the same even after changing the bowling action. And it can be very tough. In the past I have seen only a few bowlers managing to do it without any issues. Just hoping that the PCB is offering enough support to Hasnain.

Its very hard to maintain same class with bowling action changed. Bolwers have a bowling action that they carry with them since they bowl first delivery of there life. We saw Saeed Ajmal got reported and after his action was cleared he couldn't maintain his original form. In countries like Pakistan bowling action are reported only once you are in international cricket before that in first class there is no check.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 08, 2022, 10:08:27 AM

Muhammad Hasnain game is over as he is reported for illegal bowling action. Right now only shaheen is the one that has class. In 90s Pakistan has great bowlers like Imran Khan, wasim. Waqar, shoaib etc. Muhammad Asif was the one who was admired even by shoaib Akhtar but he was banned for spot fixing.

What happened to Hasnain is really unfortunate. He had a few good outings for Sydney Thunder in the BBL, before being reported for suspicious bowling action by the umpires. Now he is undergoing rehabilitation and need to change his bowling style. The big challenge is to ensure that his pace and venom remains the same even after changing the bowling action. And it can be very tough. In the past I have seen only a few bowlers managing to do it without any issues. Just hoping that the PCB is offering enough support to Hasnain.

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Quote from: Smack That Ace on April 08, 2022, 06:07:23 PM

We do have some great individual players but I really think the whole team needs to be better, especially as a team. We can often see that if one or two well-known players do not perform for Pakistan, it becomes a real problem for them to win that match and that should not be the case.

I don't mean that all the players need to perform every day but each and every player needs to have the capability to win the match at any given time. and that capability makes a team strong.

It's not the case with Pakistan only I would say there are few other teams also that are relying too much on one to two players. Like England is too much relying on Root while Bangladesh on Shakib, only Australia is a team whose all 11 players contribute there part. That's why Australian rules cricket world for decades.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 07, 2022, 09:16:11 PM

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Pakistan had great fast bowlers in the past and can you compare any of those legendary players with the bowlers Pakistan have right now. They had some great batsman who dominated any bowlers on their given day and now they had Babar Azam in that same standard and now they need to identify similar great players and then we can say they have a great Test team that can dominate anyone.

Pakistan do have some great young fast bowlers. Examples are Shaheen Shah Afridi, Naseem Shah and Muhammad Hasnain. Babar Azam is already being considered as one of the legends in international cricket. The same may happen with some of the younger bowlers, but it takes time. I don't know which one among the group will establish themselves in the future, but in the 90s, bowlers like Waqar Younis and Aaqib Javed started like them only. All that said, Pakistan first need to prepare quality tracks that offer some support for these bowlers.

We do have some great individual players but I really think the whole team needs to be better, especially as a team. We can often see that if one or two well-known players do not perform for Pakistan, it becomes a real problem for them to win that match and that should not be the case.

I don't mean that all the players need to perform every day but each and every player needs to have the capability to win the match at any given time. and that capability makes a team strong.

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Quote from: minairia3 on April 08, 2022, 11:25:24 AM

I agree that Pakistan was one of the best test-playing nations in the whole world. But, I think people need to realize that they were the best team in the world and it's in the past.

There was a time when Pakistani fast bowlers absolutely terrorized the opponent's batting lineup. and it was really great to see from a neutral point of view also.

But, in recent times Pakistan has not been up to the mark because of a lot of political and situational reasons. and to be honest I really don't think Pakistan is that bad. I just think that Pakistan really needs to have a little more confidence in themselves.

Pakistan need to come out from this bubble that they are still no 1 team like they were in late 90s. Pakistan right now is very much unpredictable and nothing can be said about how they will perform in there next match specially in T20 and ODIs. Like in recent ODI series with Aus they lost first match and in the next match they chased down a record target. In test they really need to perform well.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on April 07, 2022, 03:32:43 PM

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In Test cricket, Pakistan is obviously not one of the best teams because Obviously, they are sixth in the standings. and it is not just good enough to say that they are one of the best.
if there were a lot more teams playing like 50 or 60 and among them Pakistan was sixth, then it would have been ok to say that they are one of the top teams,
but there are only 10 teams playing regularly and being the six amongst them is not good enough to be a top team.

In last one decade Pakistan suffers badly due to terrorism issues and unable to play at home which hurts them very badly otherwise Pakistan is still top ranked team in test history with their overall percentage now after successful tour of Australia we can say they will do some better and take higher rank in ICC test ranking which could be third or fourth is surely in near future which could be increased after some good number of matches.

But, if someone says Pakistan is not good test side it's his own view without checking all details about test history and their record because Pakistan is fourth-best test playing cricket side in test history.

Recently we have some good decline in test matches which is surely hurting few countries because ICC is never been a good sports authority which can handle this all fairly, so it's beneficial for few countries so if they manage for all then surely we can expect some good results from other countries as well.

I agree that Pakistan was one of the best test-playing nations in the whole world. But, I think people need to realize that they were the best team in the world and it's in the past.

There was a time when Pakistani fast bowlers absolutely terrorized the opponent's batting lineup. and it was really great to see from a neutral point of view also.

But, in recent times Pakistan has not been up to the mark because of a lot of political and situational reasons. and to be honest I really don't think Pakistan is that bad. I just think that Pakistan really needs to have a little more confidence in themselves.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 07, 2022, 09:16:11 PM

Pakistan do have some great young fast bowlers. Examples are Shaheen Shah Afridi, Naseem Shah and Muhammad Hasnain. Babar Azam is already being considered as one of the legends in international cricket. The same may happen with some of the younger bowlers, but it takes time. I don't know which one among the group will establish themselves in the future, but in the 90s, bowlers like Waqar Younis and Aaqib Javed started like them only. All that said, Pakistan first need to prepare quality tracks that offer some support for these bowlers.

Muhammad Hasnain game is over as he is reported for illegal bowling action. Right now only shaheen is the one that has class. In 90s Pakistan has great bowlers like Imran Khan, wasim. Waqar, shoaib etc. Muhammad Asif was the one who was admired even by shoaib Akhtar but he was banned for spot fixing.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on April 07, 2022, 06:40:23 PM

Pakistan had great fast bowlers in the past and can you compare any of those legendary players with the bowlers Pakistan have right now. They had some great batsman who dominated any bowlers on their given day and now they had Babar Azam in that same standard and now they need to identify similar great players and then we can say they have a great Test team that can dominate anyone.

Pakistan do have some great young fast bowlers. Examples are Shaheen Shah Afridi, Naseem Shah and Muhammad Hasnain. Babar Azam is already being considered as one of the legends in international cricket. The same may happen with some of the younger bowlers, but it takes time. I don't know which one among the group will establish themselves in the future, but in the 90s, bowlers like Waqar Younis and Aaqib Javed started like them only. All that said, Pakistan first need to prepare quality tracks that offer some support for these bowlers.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on April 07, 2022, 03:32:43 PM

In last one decade Pakistan suffers badly due to terrorism issues and unable to play at home which hurts them very badly otherwise Pakistan is still top ranked team in test history with their overall percentage now after successful tour of Australia we can say they will do some better and take higher rank in ICC test ranking which could be third or fourth is surely in near future which could be increased after some good number of matches.

But, if someone says Pakistan is not good test side it's his own view without checking all details about test history and their record because Pakistan is fourth-best test playing cricket side in test history.

Recently we have some good decline in test matches which is surely hurting few countries because ICC is never been a good sports authority which can handle this all fairly, so it's beneficial for few countries so if they manage for all then surely we can expect some good results from other countries as well.

Despite no cricket at home grounds for almost a decade Pakistan still manages to attract Australia at home. I know its hard for few people to digest this fact that Pakistan is one of best side despite losing the test series 1-0 to top team like Australia. Its just one series, give Pakistan home series like other countries are having and then say they are not among top teams.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on April 07, 2022, 03:32:43 PM

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But, if someone says Pakistan is not good test side it's his own view without checking all details about test history and their record because Pakistan is fourth-best test playing cricket side in test history.

Recently we have some good decline in test matches which is surely hurting few countries because ICC is never been a good sports authority which can handle this all fairly, so it's beneficial for few countries so if they manage for all then surely we can expect some good results from other countries as well.

Pakistan had great fast bowlers in the past and can you compare any of those legendary players with the bowlers Pakistan have right now. They had some great batsman who dominated any bowlers on their given day and now they had Babar Azam in that same standard and now they need to identify similar great players and then we can say they have a great Test team that can dominate anyone.

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Quote from: minairia3 on April 07, 2022, 04:12:56 AM

In Test cricket, Pakistan is obviously not one of the best teams because Obviously, they are sixth in the standings. and it is not just good enough to say that they are one of the best.
if there were a lot more teams playing like 50 or 60 and among them Pakistan was sixth, then it would have been ok to say that they are one of the top teams,
but there are only 10 teams playing regularly and being the six amongst them is not good enough to be a top team.

In last one decade Pakistan suffers badly due to terrorism issues and unable to play at home which hurts them very badly otherwise Pakistan is still top ranked team in test history with their overall percentage now after successful tour of Australia we can say they will do some better and take higher rank in ICC test ranking which could be third or fourth is surely in near future which could be increased after some good number of matches.

But, if someone says Pakistan is not good test side it's his own view without checking all details about test history and their record because Pakistan is fourth-best test playing cricket side in test history.

Recently we have some good decline in test matches which is surely hurting few countries because ICC is never been a good sports authority which can handle this all fairly, so it's beneficial for few countries so if they manage for all then surely we can expect some good results from other countries as well.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on April 06, 2022, 09:08:24 AM

I won’t say that Pakistan is among the top teams just yet, because Pakistan had the home advantage, plus many of these Australian player’s hadn’t toured Pakistan before so I’ll only consider them a top team when they beat big teams while playing away from home. Lastly I’ll give them the credit for their overall performances, because they have definitely improved and I hope that their good form continues in future tournaments too.

Pakistan certainly did well In the series against Australia. Previously it was in their home ground so they had some certain advantages. but still, they should have good enough performance to impress a lot of people. But, I think people have realized that they have big weaknesses in their lineup.

If one or two of their players does not perform, they seem to have a really bad time. obviously every time Babar Azam does not play well, they seem to lose. so they need to build a strong lineup because everyone needs to have the potential to perform at any given stage and also have the mindset to be able to do it.

Quote from: JSRAW on April 07, 2022, 01:52:47 AM

Pakistan is 6th at Test ranking and only 10 nations play regularly.

England is on losing streak but still they are ahead of Pakistan, one would ask why? Because earlier there was big gap between them, which is narrowing now. Pakistan is good and has potential but if someone keep saying that they are top team despite all evidence then it's hard to argue anything.

In Test cricket, Pakistan is obviously not one of the best teams because Obviously, they are sixth in the standings. and it is not just good enough to say that they are one of the best.
if there were a lot more teams playing like 50 or 60 and among them Pakistan was sixth, then it would have been ok to say that they are one of the top teams,
but there are only 10 teams playing regularly and being the six amongst them is not good enough to be a top team.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 07, 2022, 01:42:08 AM

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I won’t say that Pakistan is among the top teams just yet, because Pakistan had the home advantage, plus many of these Australian player’s hadn’t toured Pakistan before so I’ll only consider them a top team when they beat big teams while playing away from home. Lastly I’ll give them the credit for their overall performances, because they have definitely improved and I hope that their good form continues in future tournaments too.

If Pakistan is not among top teams then please enlighten us who are the top teams and whats the criteria of being in top team? If Pakistan had home advantage then why they lost test series? PCB is not a strong board in terms of financial powers, its only because of its strong team that countries like to play with them.

Pakistan is 6th at Test ranking and only 10 nations play regularly.

England is on losing streak but still they are ahead of Pakistan, one would ask why? Because earlier there was big gap between them, which is narrowing now. Pakistan is good and has potential but if someone keep saying that they are top team despite all evidence then it's hard to argue anything.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on April 06, 2022, 09:08:24 AM

I won’t say that Pakistan is among the top teams just yet, because Pakistan had the home advantage, plus many of these Australian player’s hadn’t toured Pakistan before so I’ll only consider them a top team when they beat big teams while playing away from home. Lastly I’ll give them the credit for their overall performances, because they have definitely improved and I hope that their good form continues in future tournaments too.

If Pakistan is not among top teams then please enlighten us who are the top teams and whats the criteria of being in top team? If Pakistan had home advantage then why they lost test series? PCB is not a strong board in terms of financial powers, its only because of its strong team that countries like to play with them.

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Quote from: minairia3 on April 06, 2022, 05:13:13 AM

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Pakistan is as good as any best team in the world. Two matches went for draw since Pakistan proves equally good as Australia and blame was given to pitch. You probably didn't saw the ODI series, Pakistan won the ODI series including there highest ever chase of 348. In ODI series, Pakistan was way ahead of Australia.

Pakistan did really well in the ODI series but you can't deny Australia, Australia did really well equally, in my opinion.

Actually, the thing is I expected a little better from Australia in the last ODI match.

Pakistan certainly showed that their bowling lineup is also really good and strong enough. But in the T20 match, I expected the opposite, I expected Pakistan to play better, obviously better from their middle-order batsmen, and also a little better from the bowlers of Pakistan.

one will always think that with the score that Pakistan put up on the board in the T20 match and with the kind of bowling lineup they have, they obviously always have a chance but T20 is a lot for giving compared to Test and ODI cricket.

So, the Australian batsmen could play a lot freely.

I won’t say that Pakistan is among the top teams just yet, because Pakistan had the home advantage, plus many of these Australian player’s hadn’t toured Pakistan before so I’ll only consider them a top team when they beat big teams while playing away from home. Lastly I’ll give them the credit for their overall performances, because they have definitely improved and I hope that their good form continues in future tournaments too.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 06, 2022, 01:21:30 AM

Quote from: minairia3 on April 05, 2022, 07:08:32 AM

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Pakistan is as good as any best team in the world. Two matches went for draw since Pakistan proves equally good as Australia and blame was given to pitch. You probably didn't saw the ODI series, Pakistan won the ODI series including there highest ever chase of 348. In ODI series, Pakistan was way ahead of Australia.

Pakistan did really well in the ODI series but you can't deny Australia, Australia did really well equally, in my opinion.

Actually, the thing is I expected a little better from Australia in the last ODI match.

Pakistan certainly showed that their bowling lineup is also really good and strong enough. But in the T20 match, I expected the opposite, I expected Pakistan to play better, obviously better from their middle-order batsmen, and also a little better from the bowlers of Pakistan.

one will always think that with the score that Pakistan put up on the board in the T20 match and with the kind of bowling lineup they have, they obviously always have a chance but T20 is a lot for giving compared to Test and ODI cricket.

So, the Australian batsmen could play a lot freely.

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Quote from: minairia3 on April 05, 2022, 07:08:32 AM

Australia is, was, and will be one of the best teams in cricket. and the system of Australian Cricket beats everyone else.

I think now we can understand why Pakistan was trying to go for draws in the test matches. They knew that they are not as strong as Australia in the test match.
Australia did really well in the test format, also the ODI format too.

I was also really amazed by the confidence that Australia had shown in the last test match, now there is only one T-20 to go and I think it will be a 50-50 about who wins.

Pakistan is as good as any best team in the world. Two matches went for draw since Pakistan proves equally good as Australia and blame was given to pitch. You probably didn't saw the ODI series, Pakistan won the ODI series including there highest ever chase of 348. In ODI series, Pakistan was way ahead of Australia.

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Taylor had an extraordinary career that's spans over 15 years and include 112 tests, 236 ODIs and 102 T20Is. He has SR of 83 in 236 ODIs and 123 in 102 T20Is he played, that clearly shows how well he has aligned himself for these formats. New Zealand will badly miss this middle order batsmen and so will cricket fans.

There is no doubt that Ross was one of the most amazing batsmen New Zealand ever produced. But towards the end of his career, he was not doing great. During the last 2 years, his ODI average stood at 8.25. He played three matches against Netherlands this year and scored only 26 runs. His overall career stats look great, but the same can't be said about recent times. Anyway, now I think he should concentrate more on a TV role, as he has an amazing sense of humor (remember the twitter conversation with Virender Sehwag in Hindi?).

He was a great servant to the New Zealand cricket team. I remember countless matches where he took the team out of some real bad situation and made a plot for Newzealand to win the match. His career was a great one even though his recent Stats do not look really good. It is understandable why his skills are not at that level because he is 38 years old, and he will be missed. Yeah, I also agree that he might do pretty well in a TV role.

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