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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 08, 2022, 09:18:21 PM

IPL is the richest league in the world and naturally it features the best players. None of the other leagues can afford to spend millions of USD on each of these players. Salaries in excess of $2 million per year are not unheard in the IPL. On the other hand, we have seen players pulling out from other leagues such as the BBL and CPL, because they feel that the salary is not up to a level where they would be compelled to play. And in the end money matters for the players. Everything else is of secondary concern.

No doubt IPL is richest, and they could be more in near future as they are doing their homework with the help of ICC, but if they do some better favour for few other small boards surely this could be good for these boards and players because recently we have few players pull out from CPL, BBL and BPL due to salary issues and if this case continue then surely we will watch few leagues will die before having any good peak for themselves so it is good time for give them support.

Because, this healthy competition is very important for them and all cricket community. Right now we have IPL, PSL and Vitality Blast these are doing much better, but now few are having issues which need to settle before we are late and these disappear from sight, and we lost some good cricket from many players.

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Quote from: perfect999 on February 08, 2022, 11:45:17 AM

I agree here with your all statement, surely now Pakistan is under recovery mode in near future we will have some good changes in Pakistan team and Board approach because after very long time there are professional peoples in all set up, and they are doing good work for better and secure future of cricket in Pakistan. This year PSL also have some good changes with good coverage and increased in fan base as well in next three or four years surely many better things happened in this all.

India vs Pakistan is surely no case for next 15 to 20 years because currently political situation is not good in this region which help for this case, and it's not going to change in near future, so this all is out of question even it's really the biggest then Ashes and IPL, but all world know why this is not possible so talking about this is completely waste of time.

PCB is satisfied with PSL since players from counties like Aus, England and NZ are taking part. This is positive development for bringing international cricket in Pakistan. CA about to tour Pakistan after PSL.
You are right. There is no chance of India Pakistan bilateral series since there governments are not interested. Indians were not even in favour of playing T20 with Pakistan in last T20 WC.

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Quote from: Haunebu on February 08, 2022, 12:36:06 PM

Beat IPL popularity levels? Dream on. IPL is currently in another league when compared to all other leagues across various formats and that won't change anytime soon.

IPL is the richest league in the world and naturally it features the best players. None of the other leagues can afford to spend millions of USD on each of these players. Salaries in excess of $2 million per year are not unheard in the IPL. On the other hand, we have seen players pulling out from other leagues such as the BBL and CPL, because they feel that the salary is not up to a level where they would be compelled to play. And in the end money matters for the players. Everything else is of secondary concern.

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Pakistan and India test series can cross Ashes easily in terms of popularity. But its there rivalry that is depriving cricket community from exciting cricket seriss.

Agreed. India-Pakistan series would surely be way more popular than the boring Ashes series in recent years, but it's understandable why their respective governments are stopping them from playing against each other.

Quote from: Juggy777 on February 07, 2022, 11:01:48 PM

but if it were to happen it’ll definitely earn more money than the Ashes, and I’m confident that it might even beat the popularity levels of IPL.

Beat IPL popularity levels? Dream on. IPL is currently in another league when compared to all other leagues across various formats and that won't change anytime soon.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on February 07, 2022, 11:01:48 PM

Pakistan definitely have revived themselves, but the big question is can they constantly perform well to keep ranking higher up in the ICC rankings table?. Also @mm2543363580 a series between India and Pakistan won’t happen anytime soon, but if it were to happen it’ll definitely earn more money than the Ashes, and I’m confident that it might even beat the popularity levels of IPL.

I agree here with your all statement, surely now Pakistan is under recovery mode in near future we will have some good changes in Pakistan team and Board approach because after very long time there are professional peoples in all set up, and they are doing good work for better and secure future of cricket in Pakistan. This year PSL also have some good changes with good coverage and increased in fan base as well in next three or four years surely many better things happened in this all.

India vs Pakistan is surely no case for next 15 to 20 years because currently political situation is not good in this region which help for this case, and it's not going to change in near future, so this all is out of question even it's really the biggest then Ashes and IPL, but all world know why this is not possible so talking about this is completely waste of time.

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Quote from: CDC AP on February 07, 2022, 10:08:56 AM

Australia , india and England are the 3 big giants in cricket and their boards are strong. And these teams have been consistently performing well since past few years. The only other team apart from them is newzealand who is performing very well across all the formats.
Pakistan is a bit inconsistent team. Yes they have performed well recently and I hope it continues.

Pakistan and India test series can cross Ashes easily in terms of popularity. But its there rivalry that is depriving cricket community from exciting cricket seriss. Cricket is dying in countries like WI, Zimbabwe, South Africa and that must be a big concern for icc but they are busy in scheduling IPL.

@CDC AP Pakistan definitely have revived themselves, but the big question is can they constantly perform well to keep ranking higher up in the ICC rankings table?. Also @mm2543363580 a series between India and Pakistan won’t happen anytime soon, but if it were to happen it’ll definitely earn more money than the Ashes, and I’m confident that it might even beat the popularity levels of IPL.

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Quote from: galambo on February 05, 2022, 11:23:23 AM

Ireland is subsidiary of UK, so I don't think they are short in funds. Afghanistan is surely in dire need of funds. India generate major funds for icc but icc must take care of small boards also. If countries continue to exit from cricket world then on whom big 3 will rule ?

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The Irish cricket team represents United Ireland (i.e the Republic of Ireland plus Northern Ireland). RoI is an independent nation, while Northern Ireland is one of the constituents of the United Kingdom. Most of the famous players in Ireland, such as Eoin Morgan, Ed Joyce and Kevin O'Brien have RoI citizenship and they don't have British passports. And also, just because a country is rich, that doesn't mean that the cricket board will be in the same condition. The player salaries are much lower when compared to other boards like Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

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Australia , india and England are the 3 big giants in cricket and their boards are strong. And these teams have been consistently performing well since past few years. The only other team apart from them is newzealand who is performing very well across all the formats.
Pakistan is a bit inconsistent team. Yes they have performed well recently and I hope it continues.

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Quote from: Emitdama on February 07, 2022, 05:54:10 AM

West Indies as already mentioned is group of countries and have some good problems have no good hopes for revival in cricket with this all now we have just ANZ, England and Sub-Continent countries for this game.

There are already very few teams in cricket if we eliminate teams like zim and WI then we only have teams you mentioned. With this progress cricket will not reach to more countries. Apart from icc its also in the interest of big 3 that big powers do not step in cricket to challenge there authorites.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on February 06, 2022, 05:48:53 PM

If the ICC is allowing teams to form players from other countries like in the Arab countries, it should be considered as an opportunity for the players from Asian countries where the population is really high and hence the competition to get selected in their national teams will be a huge hurdle and if teams are hiring mercenary players it will be a job opportunity and an option to play and make a living. Corruption is the main reason for countries like Kenya, Zimbabwe and South Africa lost their passion for the game and West Indies is not a country, it is a group of countries playing together under one umbrella as West Indies and selection policies and other reasons might be the situation in identifying talents.

If ICC wants to do something then surely they need to implement some law about these countries and allow few players because for increasing local talent and quality it's better but right now having all players from different countries is really not profitable in any way and lack of funds and better motivation right now hurting cricket very badly in African continent soccer and Rugby increasing their fan bas with better funding and marketing which can give more difficulties for these respective boards now South African board is also having political issues which are not good for their game of cricket.

West Indies as already mentioned is group of countries and have some good problems have no good hopes for revival in cricket with this all now we have just ANZ, England and Sub-Continent countries for this game.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on February 06, 2022, 05:48:53 PM

the ICC is allowing teams to form players from other countries like in the Arab countries, it should be considered as an opportunity for the players from Asian countries where the population is really high and hence the competition to get selected in their national teams will be a huge hurdle and if teams are hiring mercenary players it will be a job opportunity and an option to play and make a living. Corruption is the main reason for countries like Kenya, Zimbabwe and South Africa lost their passion for the game and West Indies is not a country, it is a group of countries playing together under one umbrella as West Indies and selection policies and other reasons might be the situation in identifying talents.

Gulf is known to be a land of employment. These countries hire people from all over the world to do there jobs, they themselves do rear work. Same has been done in cricket, they are hiring players from South Asia to make a team as native people are not interested in this game.

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Quote from: jostorres on February 06, 2022, 02:40:45 PM

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Gulf countries interest in cricket is also not good as there is no good market for talent most subcontinent players are playing for them which is also another big concern but no one want to talk about this in ICC and few countries full of talent are losing their ground like Kenya, Zimbabwe, South Africa and West Indies which is huge set back.

If the ICC is allowing teams to form players from other countries like in the Arab countries, it should be considered as an opportunity for the players from Asian countries where the population is really high and hence the competition to get selected in their national teams will be a huge hurdle and if teams are hiring mercenary players it will be a job opportunity and an option to play and make a living. Corruption is the main reason for countries like Kenya, Zimbabwe and South Africa lost their passion for the game and West Indies is not a country, it is a group of countries playing together under one umbrella as West Indies and selection policies and other reasons might be the situation in identifying talents.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 04, 2022, 09:30:30 PM

Cricket as a sport was pushed back by at least two decades when the Srinivasan - Sharad Pawar mafia was in power. They killed off cricket in associate nations and destroyed what was left by changing the eligibility criteria. Now we have a mockery of 80% of the associate nations being represented by playing XIs, that are 100% made of foreigners. Also, the mafia sabotaged the proposal to include cricket in Olympics. Cricket has been confined to just 4-5 countries, and I don't think that it will ever get an opportunity to became a global sport.

If we see teams of uae and Oman they have 100% representative from Pakistan and India. So there is no point in discussing such teams that are made up of such expats. Cricket teams of WI, Zim and SA are not on levels they use to be. Let's see whether they up from here or keep going down.

As you can check pointed out by @Sithara007 cricket is pushed back in last two decades, and now it's need some very long time and good effort from local boards and ICC peoples for revival which is very hard even near to impossible because now things are completely changed and peoples are looking for more profit in less time which is possible through these franchise league even with this all real beauty of cricked is killed, but this all is not stoppable.

Gulf countries interest in cricket is also not good as there is no good market for talent most subcontinent players are playing for them which is also another big concern but no one want to talk about this in ICC and few countries full of talent are losing their ground like Kenya, Zimbabwe, South Africa and West Indies which is huge set back.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on February 05, 2022, 05:38:06 PM

If you think that Ireland is subsidiary of the England and Wales Cricket Board what about Cricket Scotland and are the players all getting the same pay scale. Before getting into conclusion you need to understand that Cricket Ireland is a separate body as far as i understand from their official website. Due to political situation and corruption some of the cricket boards are finding it hard to find quality players because all the talents are looking elsewhere to find an opportunity rather than playing cricket. You raise the amount of money they earn playing cricket and you will find talents.

AFAIK, England, Scotland and Ireland fall under UK. Of course England and Wales board don't wanna include Ireland in there pool since they wanna grab funds for Ireland in the name of cricket. My point is Ireland is developed country and there country can afford funds for cricket even without support of ICC while same is not true for Afghanistan, Zim and Kenya.

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Quote from: galambo on February 05, 2022, 11:23:23 AM

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Ireland is subsidiary of UK, so I don't think they are short in funds. Afghanistan is surely in dire need of funds. India generate major funds for icc but icc must take care of small boards also. If countries continue to exit from cricket world then on whom big 3 will rule ?

If you think that Ireland is subsidiary of the England and Wales Cricket Board what about Cricket Scotland and are the players all getting the same pay scale. Before getting into conclusion you need to understand that Cricket Ireland is a separate body as far as i understand from their official website. Due to political situation and corruption some of the cricket boards are finding it hard to find quality players because all the talents are looking elsewhere to find an opportunity rather than playing cricket. You raise the amount of money they earn playing cricket and you will find talents.

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Quote from: romero121 on February 03, 2022, 01:39:19 PM

90% of the revenue is generated from India. This is the reason why BCCI hands are high on ICC. Maybe that's the reason why there is flaws with the distribution. As of now the teams now in need were Afghanistan, Zimbabwe and Ireland. This could change when the teams push themselves high in the big tournaments. Also, it can also be considered a way to keep those teams down.

Ireland is subsidiary of UK, so I don't think they are short in funds. Afghanistan is surely in dire need of funds. India generate major funds for icc but icc must take care of small boards also. If countries continue to exit from cricket world then on whom big 3 will rule ?

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Quote from: Marvell1 on February 04, 2022, 02:55:18 PM

A few years back we had a lot of nations playing really competitively in the world cricket but now it seems like cricket is losing its interest. Teams like Zimbabwe , Kenya were really good in the past but it seems like they are not really interested in cricket right now in my opinion, and these seem to be the countries where people don't want to be playing cricket professionally because it's just too unstable as a profession.

Cricket as a sport was pushed back by at least two decades when the Srinivasan - Sharad Pawar mafia was in power. They killed off cricket in associate nations and destroyed what was left by changing the eligibility criteria. Now we have a mockery of 80% of the associate nations being represented by playing XIs, that are 100% made of foreigners. Also, the mafia sabotaged the proposal to include cricket in Olympics. Cricket has been confined to just 4-5 countries, and I don't think that it will ever get an opportunity to became a global sport.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on February 04, 2022, 11:27:42 AM

While everyone is crazing and excited for money rich leagues but nobody at the moment cares for the dark side of these leagues. ICC now adays is completely busy in scheduling international cricket in accordance with IPL, there is hardly any attention from ICC on disappearance of teams like Kenya and Zim.

You have answer of this question in your statement it's all about money so ICC surely have no enough time to check things like this because these are not profitable for them now they have enough money from IPL and their puppet relative boards are also enjoying good benefits from this, so they are living good life.

With current standard and things going to happen around cricket world in near future we will lose few more cricket countries because these are losing attraction and have no enough support from anywhere for settling things in positive way, but ICC is also had no enough time to talk with them like FIFA they are supporting and having some good structure in many countries for better future of soccer sadly we have few blind mindset peoples those never do any good thing for this game.

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Kenya was once integral part of icc tournaments but its no where to be seen and very soon Zim will also vanish from international scenes (I hope this wont be true). Icc must distribute funds based on need not on how mighty a board is. Afghanistan should get good funding against Aus or India as it has limited resources.

90% of the revenue is generated from India. This is the reason why BCCI hands are high on ICC. Maybe that's the reason why there is flaws with the distribution. As of now the teams now in need were Afghanistan, Zimbabwe and Ireland. This could change when the teams push themselves high in the big tournaments. Also, it can also be considered a way to keep those teams down.

Correct your statics because it's not 90% it's between 70% and recently just because of this all they have strong hold on ICC decisions and have some better favour for this player's attitude and window for IPL. ICC officials understand, so they are having soft policies because it's all culture of ICC, first we have Australia and England and now India is handling things with this advantage.
Many talks about this but these all are useless because no one want to bring fair policy which help this game and improve market, sadly even we are losing interest in many countries and few already on verge of giving up just because of having not better favour from ICC for their domestic set up.

Honestly, these are the reasons that cricket viewership has dropped by a noticeable percentage around the whole world in my opinion.

Obviously, there is an issue with the coronavirus situation but in that part, we can't do anything. The fact that a lot of countries are just not that interested in cricket right now also says the big story.
A few years back we had a lot of nations playing really competitively in the world cricket but now it seems like cricket is losing its interest. Teams like Zimbabwe , Kenya were really good in the past but it seems like they are not really interested in cricket right now in my opinion, and these seem to be the countries where people don't want to be playing cricket professionally because it's just too unstable as a profession.

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Quote from: kro55 on February 04, 2022, 11:05:30 AM

Teams like Kenya and Zimbabwe were a force to reckon with. And now I don't even hear the name of Kenya & Zimbabwe doesn't have its own cricket board.

Things have changed rather quickly. These two countries and especially Zimbabwe produced a lot of great players in the past. But now it's all gone and those who are still playing at a good level are facing a lot of problems. Like Brendan Taylor who is banned now.

Unfortunately, ICC doesn't like to even think about these problems and is more interested in making money. I think that if this continues it's not long before cricket will lose most of its interest and also people will not be interested to play or see this game anymore.

1-2 decades ago, there were a number of great players emerging from the associate nations. And it's not just Kenya and Zimbabwe. Obviously, there were exceptional players from Kenya (Steve Tikolo, Thomas Odoyo, Maurice Odumbe.etc), and there were a few world class athletes from Zimbabwe (Andy Flower, Neil Johnson, Alistair Campbell.etc). Apart from them, there was John Davison of Canada, John Blain and Gavin Hamilton from Scotland, Bas Zuiderent from Netherlands and Freddie Klokker from Denmark. We no longer hear about such cricketers.

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