crypto-games.net, 30% house edge, bugs and vulnerabilities, screw the investors! - page 4.

subSTRATA

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Quote from: subSTRATA on July 04, 2015, 10:58:19 AM

a 1 in 5000 chance is a 0.02% win chance; 0.02*5000 = 1

It's 0.002 not 0.02

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0.015*6666 = 99.99, giving a 0.01% house edge. recheck your math, because thats a pretty glaring error on your part.

sssh. Let the adults talk please. Where does 0.015 even come from?

right here

i didnt realize the discrepancy between the decimal place "fix" between the roll value and the rolls themselves, no need to be insulting.

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Quote from: dooglus on July 04, 2015, 10:47:20 AM

I checked your account. The bets you are making seem to be -EV. Are you sure you didn't just get lucky?

(payout * chance = 99.99; less than 100 means it's -EV)

Take a bet: "< 0.015 @ 6666x"

There are two possible outcomes I win: 0.01 and 0.00. Both of which I hit (and got paid for). There are 10,000 possible outcomes. So I have a 1 in 5000 chance of winning. A 1 in 5000 chance of winning 6666x, seems pretty +EV for me

So which one of us fails at math?

Are you saying they added a decimal place to the target but not to the rolls themselves?

That's amazing!

< 0.015 is the same as < 0.02 when your rolls only have 2 decimal places.

So much fail in one place!

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Quote from: dooglus on July 04, 2015, 10:47:20 AM

I checked your account. The bets you are making seem to be -EV. Are you sure you didn't just get lucky?

(payout * chance = 99.99; less than 100 means it's -EV)

Take a bet: "< 0.015 @ 6666x"

There are two possible outcomes I win: 0.01 and 0.00. Both of which I hit (and got paid for). There are 10,000 possible outcomes. So I have a 1 in 5000 chance of winning. A 1 in 5000 chance of winning 6666x, seems pretty +EV for me

So which one of us is stupid?

a 1 in 5000 chance is a 0.02% win chance; 0.02*5000 = 1

0.015*6666 = 99.99, giving a 0.01% house edge. recheck your math, because thats a pretty glaring error on your part.

mfaspk

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Sorry I wrote 3507x by mistake.. its 3307x currently with the worst house edge, about 33.86%. (Previously it was 4961x with 50.39%)

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manual_bet = function (type) {
   if (Runing == true) {
   return;
   }
   Runing = true;
   activate_user_bets();
   var bet = $("#txtBet").val();
   var multiplier = $("#txtMultiplier").val();
   if (manual_validate() == true) {
   var clientseed = localStorage.clientseed; // local client seed
   getResultManual(Longid, Idc, bet, multiplier, type, clientseed);
   provably_fair_reload();
   }
   else {
   Runing = false;
   }
   }

and worst of all... they still send multiplier value to make the roll, like they have learned nothing yet.

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I just private messaged dooglus my account information for verification. I hope he checks it, and gives them negative rep as I just used the exploit to take 0.3 BTC from the investors. Dooglus can should be able to check the account history to verify this

I'm happy to return the money once they acknowledge the issue.

I don't think these guys are scammers just very very very very stupid.

I checked your account. The bets you are making seem to be -EV. Are you sure you didn't just get lucky?

(payout * chance = 99.99; less than 100 means it's -EV)

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Quote from: mfaspk on July 04, 2015, 10:42:36 AM

Quote from: subSTRATA on July 04, 2015, 10:39:36 AM

100 - 3507*0.02 = 29.86

29.86% house edge.
good thing joter doesnt care if hes practically scamming players.

Well that is not it... with 2 digits after decimal in winning chance %, you literally cannot offer payouts with +1 increments. These people are too duffer to understand this. There multiplier is still full of blunders even after so-called "fix"

i pointed that out before too, and even suggested a fix: make the multiplier based on the win chance rather than the win chance based on the multiplier as it is now. this joter85 guy is beyond too stupid to code; a programmer disregarding math is probably the single most ridiculous thing ive heard in years.

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I keep trying to upload the video but youtube is giving me problems. It's a 4.27gb .flv file. Going to try and convert it and see what happens. I'll give my statement when the video is ready.

mfaspk

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Quote from: subSTRATA on July 04, 2015, 10:39:36 AM

100 - 3507*0.02 = 29.86

29.86% house edge.
good thing joter doesnt care if hes practically scamming players.
http://i.gyazo.com/90b363b33eff4ca65a8610a71dc7c78f.png

Well that is not it... with 2 digits after decimal in winning chance %, you literally cannot offer payouts with +1 increments. These people are too duffer to understand this. Their multiplier is still full of blunders even after so-called "fix".

Anyway that takes the cake:
http://i.imgur.com/FjpDUEK.png

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100 - 3507*0.02 = 29.86

29.86% house edge.
good thing joter doesnt care if hes practically scamming players.

mfaspk

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Quote from: dooglus on July 04, 2015, 10:29:26 AM

Quote from: mfaspk on July 04, 2015, 10:05:31 AM

Here is what he told me when I told him that with such house edge you are literally cheating people...

http://i.imgur.com/8Kvb5KF.png

I don't think the 4960x bets are a problem:

>>> 100 - 4960 * 0.02
0.8

That's a 0.8% edge as advertised.

The 200x bets have a 2% edge:

>>> 100 - 200 * (99.99 - 99.5)
2

well yes but they set max payout rato to 4960x after reading my post. Try to see hosue edge on 3507x

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Quote from: mfaspk on July 04, 2015, 10:05:31 AM

Here is what he told me when I told him that with such house edge you are literally cheating people...

http://i.imgur.com/8Kvb5KF.png

I don't think the 4960x bets are a problem:

>>> 100 - 4960 * 0.02
0.8

That's a 0.8% edge as advertised.

The 200x bets have a 2% edge:

>>> 100 - 200 * (99.99 - 99.5)
2

mfaspk

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Quote from: dooglus on July 04, 2015, 09:56:46 AM

Seems Joter learned nothing from this:

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[06:50] <[ADM]Joter85> they reported this issue on forum
[06:50] <[ADM]Joter85> and they want 1,5 btc for it
[06:50] <[MOD]Lutpin> he needed it to buy something
[06:51] <[ADM]Joter85> we want to give them 1 btc
[06:51] ohh... i see...
[06:51] <[ADM]Joter85> but they didn't want it
[06:51] then how much they want?
[06:51] <[ADM]Joter85> maybe kewl will give them 1btc not sure
[06:51] <[ADM]Joter85> if you ask me i wouldn't give them nothing
[06:51] <[ADM]Joter85> as they were rude
[06:51] <[ADM]Joter85> and insulting all the time
[06:52] <[ADM]Joter85> problem is
[06:52] <[ADM]Joter85> we didn't realized severity of this problem
[06:52] yes.. if i am a mod i will mute them imidiately in chat... haha
[06:52] <[ADM]Joter85> if we would know it is such a big issue we would pay
[06:52] <[ADM]Joter85> ah no need
[06:52] <[ADM]Joter85> i leave them to cry here
[06:52] <[ADM]Joter85> and on forum too

The lesson should be when people smarter than you try to help you, shut up and listen!

Here is what he told me when I told him that with such house edge you are literally cheating people...

http://i.imgur.com/8Kvb5KF.png

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Seems Joter learned nothing from this:

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[06:50] <[ADM]Joter85> they reported this issue on forum
[06:50] <[ADM]Joter85> and they want 1,5 btc for it
[06:50] <[MOD]Lutpin> he needed it to buy something
[06:51] <[ADM]Joter85> we want to give them 1 btc
[06:51] ohh... i see...
[06:51] <[ADM]Joter85> but they didn't want it
[06:51] then how much they want?
[06:51] <[ADM]Joter85> maybe kewl will give them 1btc not sure
[06:51] <[ADM]Joter85> if you ask me i wouldn't give them nothing
[06:51] <[ADM]Joter85> as they were rude
[06:51] <[ADM]Joter85> and insulting all the time
[06:52] <[ADM]Joter85> problem is
[06:52] <[ADM]Joter85> we didn't realized severity of this problem
[06:52] yes.. if i am a mod i will mute them imidiately in chat... haha
[06:52] <[ADM]Joter85> if we would know it is such a big issue we would pay
[06:52] <[ADM]Joter85> ah no need
[06:52] <[ADM]Joter85> i leave them to cry here
[06:52] <[ADM]Joter85> and on forum too

The lesson should be when people smarter than you try to help you, shut up and listen!

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Quote from: asuspc on July 04, 2015, 06:03:10 AM

All abort! abort ship! I repeat abort ship!

Mayday Mayday were going down! Bet they are probably panicked now that they're reputation has gone out the window. To be honest i didnt even know they were a thing til' a week ago lol.

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All abort! abort ship! I repeat abort ship!

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No man, we can all tell how incompetent Jota is. Dogedigital seems to be less stupid but isnt getting it like the rest of us here. Eventually they will figure out math. Give it a few more days, or maybe even weeks.

mfaspk

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Well this is the response I got:

http://i.imgur.com/r5OZjY8.png

and

http://i.imgur.com/XXIDmz9.png

Don't forget that I was the one who told them what exactly the bug was in their chat and how to fix that. I even told you solution for your problem few posts above! I have helped you out with not 1 but 2 +EV bugs on your site.

Okay! go ahead and be as stubborn as mule, I don't care anymore.
...

I am sorry but this is really starting to stress me now, I can't stand how simple it is to understand and fix and how difficult they are making for themselves.

mfaspk

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Quote from: DogecoinMachine on July 04, 2015, 05:12:45 AM

All fixed now.

Really? are you sure Huh

200x now has 2% house edge.
199x has nearly 3% house edge.
6500x has now 35% house edge..
4961x has 50.39% house edge.

can somebody confirm this? I also made a roll and it looks like same on server side

seriously what is wrong with you people?

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www.Crypto.Games: Multiple Games, Multiple Coins

All fixed now.

mfaspk

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Quote from: DogecoinMachine on July 04, 2015, 04:48:53 AM

There is a house edge, except for 200x payout. And it will be fixed soon.

Looking forward for final fix. I also hope you already know that in some cases your multiplier is enforcing more house edge (nearly 2%) then advertised. Fix to your multiplier function as suggested above will also fix this problem.

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