Topic: crypto-games.net, 30% house edge, bugs and vulnerabilities, screw the investors! - page 5. (Read 12939 times)
legendary
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July 04, 2015, 04:48:53 AM
There is a house edge, except for 200x payout. And it will be fixed soon.
July 04, 2015, 04:34:05 AM
Mfaspk...it will be fixed.
Asuspc...read the whole tread again, looks like you didnt
Asuspc...read the whole tread again, looks like you didnt
Excuse me but I did read the whole thread, you should read what I wrote carefully. There was indeed a +EV of up to 32.26% as it has been proven.
At current, maximum 200 multiplier nobody (investors) is losing and nobody has ev+
When there is no edge to cover your investors, this means your investors are still losing. As others have suggested, this doesn't look like a major fix just some rounding issues but nevertheless you are not taking this seriously otherwise you'd have taken the site down for maintenance yesterday or as soon as it was reported to you by OP.
legendary
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July 04, 2015, 04:27:27 AM
Mfaspk...it will be fixed.
Asuspc...read the whole tread again, looks like you didnt
Asuspc...read the whole tread again, looks like you didnt
July 04, 2015, 04:17:18 AM
Well isn't this dreadful? You guys have been provided with mathematical equations and even solutions to your problem and this is no where being fixed. I'd say watch out for this one, they are not serious about running a casino. Why should investors risk their money with your casino while it has been proven that players were having edge of over 32% and now after your so called fix there is still no house edge to cover your investors??
July 04, 2015, 04:01:13 AM
Simple solution is to calculate payout multiplier by winning chance on server end, don't calculate win chance by payout entered by players, there will be errors in your calculations. On client end currently you only let users enter payout X they want, you don't let them modify winning chance, right? Now either you reverse this (let them enter win chance and you give them payout X) or you need to be smart there, when they enter payout X and your function calculates winning chance for them, don't just stop there and once the winning chance is calculated, again calculate payout X from that winning chance within same function. This should get rid of all your troubles.
And now please don't tell me you don't know how to convert win % to payout X.
...and no this is not really a small issue, you should take it seriously!
And now please don't tell me you don't know how to convert win % to payout X.
...and no this is not really a small issue, you should take it seriously!
July 04, 2015, 03:30:08 AM
If they were using correct algorithms for multipliers there wouldn't be any need to fix each payout factor individually. The problem here is that developer is trying to calculate win chance from payout ratio provided, it should be other way around.
I still hope these issues can be fixed, but as I said you guys should have taken down the site and fixed it once and for all just like all others suggested. All you need to look into is your multiplier calculation function and thats it. I have even told you what you're doing wrong there.
p.s. change your house edge to 1% officially and may be you guys will be able to handle this correctly.
At current, maximum 200 multiplier nobody (investors) is losing and nobody has ev+I still hope these issues can be fixed, but as I said you guys should have taken down the site and fixed it once and for all just like all others suggested. All you need to look into is your multiplier calculation function and thats it. I have even told you what you're doing wrong there.
p.s. change your house edge to 1% officially and may be you guys will be able to handle this correctly.
Yes but you don't have any house edge anymore. Which means no edge for investors, I don't mean to criticize, I am just trying to help you/your developer understand what everybody is talking about.
Currently on your site if a player enters 200x payout, he gets 0.5% win chance which means 0% house edge. If you had a 1% house edge, for 0.5% winning chance you should not offer more then 198x payout and on 0.8% house edge no more then 198.4x payout.
As I said before if you had right algorithms on just 1 simple multiplier calculation function, you wouldn't need to go through all this hassle.
Edited: ...and this is not a client side only issue, Why is it so difficult to understand or fix?
legendary
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July 04, 2015, 03:03:15 AM
so it happens one time every 700k bets. That's not impossible at all if we have 42 million already
July 04, 2015, 02:59:45 AM
If they were using correct algorithms for multipliers there wouldn't be any need to fix each payout factor individually. The problem here is that developer is trying to calculate win chance from payout ratio provided, it should be other way around.
I still hope these issues can be fixed, but as I said you guys should have taken down the site and fixed it once and for all just like all others suggested. All you need to look into is your multiplier calculation function and thats it. I have even told you what you're doing wrong there.
p.s. change your house edge to 1% officially and may be you guys will be able to handle this correctly.
At current, maximum 200 multiplier nobody (investors) is losing and nobody has ev+I still hope these issues can be fixed, but as I said you guys should have taken down the site and fixed it once and for all just like all others suggested. All you need to look into is your multiplier calculation function and thats it. I have even told you what you're doing wrong there.
p.s. change your house edge to 1% officially and may be you guys will be able to handle this correctly.
Players should absolutely not play/invest on your site and people should absolutely not trust you
ClamCoin
July 04, 2015, 02:56:26 AM
If they were using correct algorithms for multipliers there wouldn't be any need to fix each payout factor individually. The problem here is that developer is trying to calculate win chance from payout ratio provided, it should be other way around.
I still hope these issues can be fixed, but as I said you guys should have taken down the site and fixed it once and for all just like all others suggested. All you need to look into is your multiplier calculation function and thats it. I have even told you what you're doing wrong there.
p.s. change your house edge to 1% officially and may be you guys will be able to handle this correctly.
At current, maximum 200 multiplier nobody (investors) is losing and nobody has ev+I still hope these issues can be fixed, but as I said you guys should have taken down the site and fixed it once and for all just like all others suggested. All you need to look into is your multiplier calculation function and thats it. I have even told you what you're doing wrong there.
p.s. change your house edge to 1% officially and may be you guys will be able to handle this correctly.
Players should absolutely not play/invest on your site and people should absolutely not trust you
legendary
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July 04, 2015, 02:53:24 AM
@Dogedigital It's not impossible, but obviously you had really bad luck.
If others are winning, I don't see why wouldn't you.
Yo guys, the other co owner showed up. Let's all laugh and call his BS If others are winning, I don't see why wouldn't you.
If they were using correct algorithms for multipliers there wouldn't be any need to fix each payout factor individually. The problem here is that developer is trying to calculate win chance from payout ratio provided, it should be other way around.
I still hope these issues can be fixed, but as I said you guys should have taken down the site and fixed it once and for all just like all others suggested. All you need to look into is your multiplier calculation function and thats it. I have even told you what you're doing wrong there.
p.s. change your house edge to 1% officially and may be you guys will be able to handle this correctly.
At current, maximum 200 multiplier nobody (investors) is losing and nobody has ev+ I still hope these issues can be fixed, but as I said you guys should have taken down the site and fixed it once and for all just like all others suggested. All you need to look into is your multiplier calculation function and thats it. I have even told you what you're doing wrong there.
p.s. change your house edge to 1% officially and may be you guys will be able to handle this correctly.
July 04, 2015, 02:32:47 AM
If they were using correct algorithms for multipliers there wouldn't be any need to fix each payout factor individually. The problem here is that developer is trying to calculate win chance from payout ratio provided, it should be other way around.
I still hope these issues can be fixed, but as I said you guys should have taken down the site and fixed it once and for all just like all others suggested. All you need to look into is your multiplier calculation function and thats it. I have even told you what you're doing wrong there.
p.s. change your house edge to 1% officially and may be you guys will be able to handle this correctly.
I still hope these issues can be fixed, but as I said you guys should have taken down the site and fixed it once and for all just like all others suggested. All you need to look into is your multiplier calculation function and thats it. I have even told you what you're doing wrong there.
p.s. change your house edge to 1% officially and may be you guys will be able to handle this correctly.
July 04, 2015, 02:31:14 AM
@Dogedigital It's not impossible, but obviously you had really bad luck.
If others are winning, I don't see why wouldn't you.
Yo guys, the other co owner showed up. Let's all laugh and call his BS If others are winning, I don't see why wouldn't you.
legendary
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July 04, 2015, 02:21:51 AM
@Dogedigital It's not impossible, but obviously you had really bad luck.
If others are winning, I don't see why wouldn't you.
If others are winning, I don't see why wouldn't you.
July 04, 2015, 01:06:13 AM
Here's the video. This marks ~25,000 consecutive rolls without a win. This means in 25,000 rolls, a 1/200 chance -- any number over >99.945.
>>> 1 / ((99.946 / 100) ** 25000)
732080.9049554196
That's a 1-in-732k chance?
Also, "The video you have requested is not available." - what's up with that?
Re-uploading. The video stopped at 96%.
July 04, 2015, 01:03:40 AM
Here's the video. This marks ~25,000 consecutive rolls without a win. This means in 25,000 rolls, a 1/200 chance -- any number over >99.945.
>>> 1 / ((99.946 / 100) ** 25000)
732080.9049554196
That's a 1-in-732k chance?
Also, "The video you have requested is not available." - what's up with that?
might be that sharing settings werent set right, here's the first video though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkhkUcygZv8&feature=youtu.be
also dogedigital feel free to pm me if you want help getting a scam accusation together, id be more than happy to help compile some info for you.
July 04, 2015, 01:00:38 AM
Here's the video. This marks ~25,000 consecutive rolls without a win. This means in 25,000 rolls, a 1/200 chance -- any number over >99.945.
>>> 1 / ((99.946 / 100) ** 25000)
732080.9049554196
That's a 1-in-732k chance?
Also, "The video you have requested is not available." - what's up with that?
July 04, 2015, 12:59:36 AM
seems Russel434 has stopped betting for now, grand total profit of 0.16494382 BTC with 2.04093204 wagered.
1094x rolls, 1k satoshi wagers, 9.4% player edge, pretty close to EV.
meanwhile, Rush224 has made off with a bit more:
0.9236765 wagered, 0.27602352 BTC profit; he was doing 6613x rolls which would give him a 32% player edge, which seems close enough for a small sample size.
4.5k satoshi wagers.
1094x rolls, 1k satoshi wagers, 9.4% player edge, pretty close to EV.
meanwhile, Rush224 has made off with a bit more:
0.9236765 wagered, 0.27602352 BTC profit; he was doing 6613x rolls which would give him a 32% player edge, which seems close enough for a small sample size.
4.5k satoshi wagers.
July 04, 2015, 12:55:30 AM
I think ive already suggested a proper fix for this earlier in the thread; make the multiplier based off of the winning chance: multiplier = 0.992/(win chance)
right now, the win chance being dependent on the multiplier is causing the rounding issues.
right now, the win chance being dependent on the multiplier is causing the rounding issues.
Exactly this. There are 10k different possible rolls (or 100k, for now, etc.) so have the roll target and the stake be the things which define the bet, and have the payout multiplier be derived from that (and calculated to enough places that the rounding doesn't matter).
July 04, 2015, 12:21:04 AM
as in the title. im fairly sure I found a +EV method for a particular dice site, if someone like dooglus would pm me to confirm for this I would consider selling this bit of info to a few people. just being +EV goes not guarantee massive profits because this is gambling after all, but it is +EV. this does not involve martingale whatsoever.
this goes out to all the haters that said it was impossible
I just confirmed that the site in question does offer +EV bets for the player. In the worst case the edge is 30% for the player.
I fully expect the site to fix this when subSTRATA tells them about it.
at this point in time id like to have shitaifan2013 remove his feedback on me.
address at QS's request; consider a tip address i guess, im not expecting anything from crypto-games.net.
1PfR7yoo6ttNezCQd3NP5fcEhfGGrD456v
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
today is the third of July, this is subSTRATA of bitcointalk.org claiming this address to be a payout address at the request of quickseller in regards to this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1106133.140
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1PfR7yoo6ttNezCQd3NP5fcEhfGGrD456v
H3tKhOWaZNZrQ5z+PfirEPdNRJBgfU9moMt+xBgJ/sTieXksdFEV8SopIv1XC4Js+vwylo76UnN97ZFbRrm5MV8=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
oh shit I have one too, I wonder if ours is the same, Ill read up more on this post. this goes out to all the haters that said it was impossible
that wasnt the intention at the very beginning, but it is now. I've said it multiple times before in the thread, I will be contacting the site after dooglus's confirmation.
I just confirmed that the site in question does offer +EV bets for the player. In the worst case the edge is 30% for the player.
I fully expect the site to fix this when subSTRATA tells them about it.
at this point in time id like to have shitaifan2013 remove his feedback on me.
address at QS's request; consider a tip address i guess, im not expecting anything from crypto-games.net.
1PfR7yoo6ttNezCQd3NP5fcEhfGGrD456v
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
today is the third of July, this is subSTRATA of bitcointalk.org claiming this address to be a payout address at the request of quickseller in regards to this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1106133.140
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1PfR7yoo6ttNezCQd3NP5fcEhfGGrD456v
H3tKhOWaZNZrQ5z+PfirEPdNRJBgfU9moMt+xBgJ/sTieXksdFEV8SopIv1XC4Js+vwylo76UnN97ZFbRrm5MV8=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
July 04, 2015, 12:09:26 AM
Here's the video. This marks ~25,000 consecutive rolls without a win. This means in 25,000 rolls, a 1/200 chance -- any number over >99.945.
http://youtu.be/q5ofHQNKtI8
At this point, I don't really care about a refund.
Simply, I'll just be starting a scam accusation and warn all others here that even if this is the result of an infinitely low occurring event, there are way too many problems with the script and edge and is ran by unmotivated and stubborn owners.
Do NOT play Here!
God fucking damn doge. That is insane. I really dont think this is possible if its fair. Sucks that you lost money on this but holy shit thats either INCREDIBLEy bad luck or rigged/skipping nonces.http://youtu.be/q5ofHQNKtI8
At this point, I don't really care about a refund.
Simply, I'll just be starting a scam accusation and warn all others here that even if this is the result of an infinitely low occurring event, there are way too many problems with the script and edge and is ran by unmotivated and stubborn owners.
Do NOT play Here!
dooglus mentioned that the site is using the old provably fair system; it might be more malicious than just skipping nonces, since I'm guessing there aren't nonces to be skipped.
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