Topic: DefaultTrust changes - page 15. (Read 85600 times)

I believe a lot of these scammers predated trust exclusions, and CITM would eventually remove most of the people who were actively scamming.

The problem was more so that CITM added many people to his trust list who were not invested in the forum. The people on his trust list were more likely to leave the forum, sell their account, or get their account hacked due to long term inactivity.

And how many of those scammers were then voted down once they had been exposed?  If they are suddenly reemerging as DT2 now it can only mean that no one back then took any action against the scammers, or by contacting CITM to advise them they had scammers in their DT list.

CITM was one of the original people on DT1 on the legacy DT system. IIRC, there were many DT2 accounts that were traded or involved in scams that were on DT solely because of CITM. I believe that multiple additional people were added to DT1 when CITM was removed because of how small DT would have been otherwise.

I have not seen a similar incident for a long time ... for this reason I decided to make an exception until an exception appears from another DT1 participant, or until CanaryInTheMine himself requests an exception from the DT1 network, (although I'm sure it's unlikely).
Edited: I removed the tilde temporarily since CanaryInTheMine was also excluded by minerjones.

I've posted an updated list here.

I noticed this:
Most of this increase is caused by CanaryInTheMine. He used to have more DT1 exclusions than inclusions when he made it to DT1, but now he has DT1 strength 0 (which means he can add users to DT2).
He has 239 users on his Trust list, including almost everyone who left him positive feedback. With that, his Trust score increased from +26 / =0 / -0 to +202 / =0 / -0, which is a new record for Trust Selfscratching.
I don't consider this correct use of the Trust system.
To be fair: CanaryInTheMine has had more or less the same Trust list for years and it probably predates the current Trust system. So I can't blame him, it's up to the users who added him to DT1.

@LoyceV, just wanted to let you know that I have seen the latest DT change and some name added and removed. Meanwhile, I still see that the list is showing wrong result because some of the removed name are still on the DT1 list and the ones added this week are still on DT2 in the thread you just updated. Do you need to update it again?
- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/complete-overview-of-users-on-dt1-and-dt2-and-their-ratings-5139250

So little do I pay attention to who's on DT these days that I thought I was already off DT, but apparently I just got shuffled off the list.  Easy come, easy go. 

Oh how much simpler the system used to be and how much more of an honor it was to be on the DT list before this rotation system started.  Sure, there was a lot of bitching about centralization and whatnot, but at least you could be more certain that some jamoke wouldn't end up on DT2 and start throwing his weight around or some other nonsense.  I'm not thinking of anyone in particular, though I believe that's happened since this new system started.

Theymos reshuffled DT1.

Removed:
     1. Administrator theymos (Trust: +27 / =0 / -0) (7444 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Legendary dooglus (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (310 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary Carlton Banks (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1461 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary philipma1957 (Trust: +25 / =0 / -0) (2192 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Administrator Cyrus (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (340 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Staff Welsh (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (1173 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary vizique (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (576 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary yogg (Trust: +35 / =0 / -0) (1832 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary greenplastic (Trust: +47 / =0 / -0) (136 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Global Moderator hilariousandco (Trust: +22 / =2 / -0) (927 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Hero Member Lydian (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (176 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary buckrogers (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (154 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary suchmoon (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (5291 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Staff achow101 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (2734 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary zazarb (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (503 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary SyGambler (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (770 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary klarki (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (300 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Legendary The Pharmacist (Trust: +25 / =3 / -0) (2925 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Legendary Jet Cash (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (1590 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Hero Member imhoneer (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (597 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Hero Member RaltcoinsB (Trust: neutral) (431 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Legendary KTChampions (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (925 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary Coin-1 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (1167 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Copper Member bavicrypto (Trust: +36 / =0 / -0) (150 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Legendary TheBeardedBaby (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (2414 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Legendary tvplus006 (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (1425 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Staff mole0815 (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (1593 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. Legendary asche (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (1451 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. Legendary lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +22 / =0 / -0) (1809 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. Copper Member Corrosive (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (1089 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. Copper Member TalkStar (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (693 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    32. Hero Member efialtis (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (1175 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    33. Hero Member Ratimov (Trust: +9 / =1 / -0) (3390 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Added:
     1. Staff gmaxwell (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (4100 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Donator CanaryInTheMine (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (48 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary SebastianJu (Trust: +22 / =0 / -0) (71 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary yxt (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (57 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Global Moderator mprep (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (832 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary Dabs (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (602 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Copper Member Mitchell (Trust: +47 / =1 / -0) (608 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary by rallier (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (334 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary stompix (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (1565 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary arulbero (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (796 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary teeGUMES (Trust: +10 / =2 / -1) (915 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary examplens (Trust: +2 / =3 / -0) (435 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary dazedfool (Trust: +32 / =0 / -0) (127 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary yahoo62278 (Trust: +23 / =2 / -0) (1602 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (3553 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Hero Member muslol67 (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (410 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Copper Member LeGaulois (Trust: +2 / =2 / -0) (1619 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Legendary bob123 (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (2077 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Legendary eddie13 (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (1278 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary johhnyUA (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (908 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Hero Member Coin_trader (Trust: +7 / =3 / -0) (164 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Legendary HCP (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (2953 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Hero Member finaleshot2016 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (828 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Legendary duesoldi (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1242 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Legendary Vispilio (Trust: +2 / =3 / -2) (1055 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Legendary Veleor (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (1514 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Sr. Member 3meek (Trust: neutral) (270 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. Legendary Bthd (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1421 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. Legendary Coolcryptovator (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (1654 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. Legendary DireWolfM14 (Trust: +19 / =1 / -0) (2252 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. Legendary 1miau (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (3002 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    32. Hero Member YOSHIE (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (924 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    33. Hero Member bullrun2020bro (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1681 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Note that all Trust ratings in this post are based on the previous DT-distribution.

And I'm still out.

I have never left DT (1 and 2) since it was introduced.  TECSHARE was the first exclusion and I will be the last. 

I think every other member has been removed from DT at one point or another due to the lottery.

quite a few removed.

I don't think so, see DT1-strength of 211 users in 113 weeks (weekly updates).

Theymos reshuffled DT1. Note that the Trust ratings are from 8 days ago:

Removed:
     1. Donator CanaryInTheMine (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (48 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Legendary SebastianJu (Trust: +22 / =0 / -0) (71 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary yxt (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (56 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary Vod (Trust: +28 / =2 / -0) (1914 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Legendary A-Bolt (Trust: neutral) (551 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary ibminer (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (933 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Copper Member Mitchell (Trust: +46 / =1 / -0) (607 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary by rallier (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (332 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary EcuaMobi (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (438 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary arulbero (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (781 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary teeGUMES (Trust: +10 / =2 / -2) (909 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary examplens (Trust: +2 / =3 / -0) (419 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (3423 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Hero Member muslol67 (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (407 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Copper Member actmyname (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (1359 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Copper Member LeGaulois (Trust: +2 / =2 / -0) (1581 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary SFR10 (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (671 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Legendary eddie13 (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (1243 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Copper Member bL4nkcode (Trust: +14 / =1 / -0) (683 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary HCP (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (2880 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary duesoldi (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1203 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Hero Member Kryptowerk (Trust: +40 / =0 / -0) (615 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary Vispilio (Trust: +2 / =3 / -2) (1052 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Legendary krogothmanhattan (Trust: +81 / =1 / -0) (1743 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Hero Member wolwoo (Trust: +0 / =3 / -2) (657 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Legendary roycilik (Trust: +10 / =2 / -0) (1552 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Legendary Veleor (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (1512 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. Sr. Member 3meek (Trust: neutral) (264 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. Hero Member Maus0728 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (961 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. Sr. Member MoxnatyShmel (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (356 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. Hero Member MoparMiningLLC (Trust: +26 / =0 / -1) (834 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    32. Legendary Bthd (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (1398 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    33. Legendary Coolcryptovator (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (1649 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    34. Legendary DireWolfM14 (Trust: +19 / =1 / -0) (2183 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    35. Legendary 1miau (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (2966 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    36. Hero Member YOSHIE (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (905 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Added:
     1. Donator qwk (Trust: +18 / =1 / -0) (1985 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Legendary Carlton Banks (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1460 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary babo (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (1071 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Staff Welsh (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (1167 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Legendary TookDk (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (54 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary Timelord2067 (Trust: +10 / =7 / -0) (606 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary jeremypwr (Trust: +17 / =2 / -0) (754 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Staff EFS (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (244 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary Buchi-88 (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (459 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary Lesbian Cow (Trust: +55 / =1 / -1) (701 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary SyGambler (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (767 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary klarki (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (294 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary TwitchySeal (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (930 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary TryNinja (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (2736 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Hero Member ekiller (Trust: neutral) (461 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary Jet Cash (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (1588 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Sr. Member polymerbit (Trust: +12 / =0 / -0) (379 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Legendary Yatsan (Trust: +4 / =2 / -0) (687 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Copper Member crwth (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (763 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary webtricks (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (1306 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Hero Member Ale88 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (344 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Copper Member nullius (Trust: +7 / =4 / -3) (2244 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Hero Member imhoneer (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (578 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Hero Member xenon131 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (710 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Legendary KTChampions (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (924 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Copper Member bavicrypto (Trust: +36 / =0 / -0) (150 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Legendary joniboini (Trust: neutral) (1493 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    28. Sr. Member Agrawas (Trust: +45 / =0 / -0) (441 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    29. Staff mole0815 (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (1581 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    30. Legendary witcher_sense (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (1722 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    31. Legendary asche (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (1451 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    32. Legendary anonymousminer (Trust: +41 / =0 / -0) (1117 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    33. Legendary fillippone (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (5230 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    34. Legendary taikuri13 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1460 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    35. Copper Member Corrosive (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (1089 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    36. Copper Member TalkStar (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (693 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

I'm still out

doesnt matter - read above - problem solved. Now all the Nancy's can go worry about someone else's trust list instead of mine - pretty much guaranteed the only people that care are the handful here on this thread.

Escrowing isn't the problem, but when you edit your Trust settings, you see this:
If you're on DT1, your Trust list choices affect many other forum users too.

That was not my intended outcome when I posted this, but it's up to you of course.

Your intention was different from the result: when you're on DT1, your choices do affect others. I don't think you should use your Trust list as a personal reminder of who you dealt with.

Blacklisting (on request) isn't quite like it sounds, it just prevents you from being in DT1 but you can still use the trust list any way you want. Now that you removed your list you won't get into DT1 next month anyway so keeping the list but asking to be blacklisted is a good suggestion.

OTOH, to keep track of your deals you can use neutral trust ratings. If you send someone a neutral rating you will see a =1 on that person's profile but it won't affect anyone else the way trust lists do, plus you have a date and a text of your choosing attached to it so it's arguably a lot more convenient for that kind of tracking.

Welp, I've offered you a simple solution to a problem which you clearly describes as one you don't want to take part in.. Unless you actually do want to be DT1 then it's a different story.

EDIT; All it means with the DT1 blacklist is that you can't get voted into to DT1, that's about it - nothing else changes.

no I will not do that either, I do not want any bullshit flags or blacklisting done to me or my account. And I will focus on my own dealings - and everyone else should too.

People need to stop worrying about trust lists and using the excuse it is to protect newbies - please newbies wont know how to even look at someone's trust list and may not even take the time to look at trust rating and reviews (which is really the only place anyone should look) They should simply block everyone from seeing anyone's trust list as it really is more for that person than anything. But then so many people with absolutely nothing better to do than have their head up someone's elses ass and business would simply have nothing to do. And we cannot have that now can we?

I'd merit this if I had any to give, as it is the real solution to avoid drama and still be on DT2 at least.

I will eventually do it, but not yet, as I still care about this forum.

BTW, Hope you are well Hhampuz, ping me sometime, feels like it's been years!

You can DM theymos and ask him to blacklist you from DT1, that will let you just focus on your own dealings without much issue being taken from anyone else. I did, never looked back, never been happier on this forum

Yea I trusted Steeley - he had several deals with me with no issues. dont worry though - removed everyone now.