Probably unpopular opinion but with these DT changes and quite a few of the new DT1 and 2 members being Escrow Agents, there needs to be more neutrals handed out than positives. An Escrow Agent handing out a negative would in part be losing them possible service fees as they'll just get picked over for someone that hands out positive trust for <$50 deals. (Which is also somewhat of a problem)
Don't mean to pick on krogothmanhattan but it's an easy example as his list was so large. He didn't ask for DT1 and it was just out of the blue forced on him.. takes a bit of time for him to revamp it now but we just saw what sort of temporary havoc it stirred up.
To be clear I like and trust most of these guys but when you're vying for people to choose your escrow service over someone elses I think negative ratings kind of taint your image.. which DT shouldn't be gamed to turn a blind eye and not call people out on their shadyness to further your chances of being selected as everyones top 1 2 or 3 escrow choice.
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I deny randomly messaging you on your slack and calling you names while also making comments about your wife. I do however recall that I at one point wrote "I understand why your wife left you", out of context obviously.
What, was it not random?
Just pointing out that while my private responses to trolls always seem to make it in screenshots, they somehow always forget to include the parts where they're insulting or threatening me or my family.
I'd say let's get back on topic, but who am I kidding. This line of rhetoric can't end with me being the victim.
Edit; The reason I'm bringing it up is because I think it's real rich that you are saying what and what we don't want to see here at bitcointalk. It feels like you've been more disconnected from what's been going on than most other users and you've been here for so long that it baffles me. They do say that you can get drunk off of power and if one were to look at your history that seems to be the case.
Drunk off of power? You just admitted to insulting me saying my wife left me and I didn't even leave you negative trust. That seems to demonstrate the opposite. However, there shouldn't be a place of trust for people like you who insult and harass others outside of this forum in an attempt to get a selective damaging screenshot to discredit someone's reputation.
So you are saying that I randomly messaged you and started namecalling and making comments about your wife?
Are you denying it? I want to be perfectly clear.
I deny randomly messaging you on your slack and calling you names while also making comments about your wife. I do however recall that I at one point wrote "I understand why your wife left you", out of context obviously.
This is actually a good read. You can see that you didn't understand how the DT network worked thinking I added defcon23 to DT with my feedback
Where did I say that you added defcon23 to DT? You gave me shit for having left trust for people I've dealt with that you considered to be scammers and I replied back with that you left positive to defcon after my negative due to him attempting to extort me. You justified it with "having made several trades without issues". Just as I had with the users you mentioned, but it's different for you somehow, even though your trust ratings (at the time) held a lot more weight than mine did.
Edit; The reason I'm bringing it up is because I think it's real rich that you are saying what and what we don't want to see here at bitcointalk. It feels like you've been more disconnected from what's been going on than most other users and you've been here for so long that it baffles me. They do say that you can get drunk off of power and if one were to look at your history that seems to be the case.
Edit2; Now that I look back at that conversation I remember exactly how it started. I was going to make a physical DiY coin and I messaged you asking you what mint you were using for your coins, in which you replied saying that you wouldn't tell and then you went on the rant. Why that part didn't make it in the screenshots I couldn't tell you, perhaps because of how horrible you made me feel which resulted in me not thinking clearly, oh well.
So you are saying that I randomly messaged you and started namecalling and making comments about your wife?
Are you denying it? I want to be perfectly clear.
Is this what we want to see? https://imgur.com/a/BvLLC (album).
You trying to bully me into thinking everything is as you say it is? Someone in a position of power threatening to destroy my business due to the friends I keep?
But hey, tell me again how dumb I am while you've had the most "accurate opinion" over the last 8 years? (However that works).
To be honest, the day you are back on DT1 will be a sad day for this forum overall.
You trying to bully me into thinking everything is as you say it is? Someone in a position of power threatening to destroy my business due to the friends I keep?
But hey, tell me again how dumb I am while you've had the most "accurate opinion" over the last 8 years? (However that works).
To be honest, the day you are back on DT1 will be a sad day for this forum overall.
Why did you cut out the part of the conversation before that? You know, when you messaged me unsolicited calling me names and making comments about my wife? This is actually a good read. You can see that you didn't understand how the DT network worked thinking I added defcon23 to DT with my feedback, removed your trust rating for me for retaliatory reasons, didn't give Blazed the same treatment, and lied about paying TMAN for his signature, or does he just pretend to wear a paid signature?
I'm not obsessed with being on DT1. I never asked for that privilege. It's something I have taken seriously because I care about the forum. If the community feels this would be a better place without me on DT1, I'm good with it.
Can we get back on topic now? I think these changes are ultimately a good thing, and once the manipulators and scammers are worked out of the system it will hopefully resume being the best trust rating system in the Bitcoin community.
So you are saying that I randomly messaged you and started namecalling and making comments about your wife? And your response to that would be the images I posted?
Just want it all to be perfectly clear.
Is this what we want to see? https://imgur.com/a/BvLLC (album).
You trying to bully me into thinking everything is as you say it is? Someone in a position of power threatening to destroy my business due to the friends I keep?
But hey, tell me again how dumb I am while you've had the most "accurate opinion" over the last 8 years? (However that works).
To be honest, the day you are back on DT1 will be a sad day for this forum overall.
You trying to bully me into thinking everything is as you say it is? Someone in a position of power threatening to destroy my business due to the friends I keep?
But hey, tell me again how dumb I am while you've had the most "accurate opinion" over the last 8 years? (However that works).
To be honest, the day you are back on DT1 will be a sad day for this forum overall.
Why did you cut out the part of the conversation before that? You know, when you messaged me unsolicited calling me names and making comments about my wife? This is actually a good read. You can see that you didn't understand how the DT network worked thinking I added defcon23 to DT with my feedback, removed your trust rating for me for retaliatory reasons, didn't give Blazed the same treatment, and lied about paying TMAN for his signature, or does he just pretend to wear a paid signature? Furthermore, I didn't leave you negative trust after this encounter, so how can you say I bullied you?
I'm not obsessed with being on DT1. I never asked for that privilege. It's something I have taken seriously because I care about the forum. If the community feels this would be a better place without me on DT1, I'm good with it.
Can we get back on topic now? I think these changes are ultimately a good thing, and once the manipulators and scammers are worked out of the system it will hopefully resume being the best trust rating system in the Bitcoin community.
And there is more, like accusing other users behind their backs without proof: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32677479
I wouldn't call it reasonable at all.
I wouldn't call it reasonable at all.
I haven't gotten one single report of being impersonated on Telegram since that thread was started. This was after years of constant reports. I also didn't do whatever I was accused of.
Again, you’re mad at me because these people have done so much shady activity? I’m only allowed to pick one?
You're allowed to do whatever your want and people are allowed to form opinions about it. You had a good run, you should be proud of it. You have a chance now to fix some things but you might be too stubborn to take it.
Again, the reason I can't trust your judgement is that you gradually ramped up a trust rating from a bump of a thread into a 5-item list but now months later you're presenting yet another ultimate cause as to why that rating can't be removed.
HabBear asked me to reconsider his trust rating and admitted he made a mistake so I removed his rating. I did the same thing for minerjones after he was caught letting TMAN manipulate an auction and doxxed canaryinthemine. When people act reasonably, I respond reasonably. You might say I’m a reasonable person.
I might not. Reasonable is one of the least likely adjectives I'd apply to you.
LOL as ever suchscamoon appears to be generous and reasonable.... whilst enabling scammers.
You are pointing out at best (which probably are not even true anyway) abuse of power which is what most of you DT try anyway
You are supporting scammers FAR WORSE AND MORE DANGEROUS TO THE BOARD and you think we need to listen to you? lol
Poisonous little gimp.
Again, you’re mad at me because these people have done so much shady activity? I’m only allowed to pick one?
You're allowed to do whatever your want and people are allowed to form opinions about it. You had a good run, you should be proud of it. You have a chance now to fix some things but you might be too stubborn to take it.
Again, the reason I can't trust your judgement is that you gradually ramped up a trust rating from a bump of a thread into a 5-item list but now months later you're presenting yet another ultimate cause as to why that rating can't be removed.
HabBear asked me to reconsider his trust rating and admitted he made a mistake so I removed his rating. I did the same thing for minerjones after he was caught letting TMAN manipulate an auction and doxxed canaryinthemine. When people act reasonably, I respond reasonably. You might say I’m a reasonable person.
I might not. Reasonable is one of the least likely adjectives I'd apply to you.
And there is more, like accusing other users behind their backs without proof: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32677479
I wouldn't call it reasonable at all.
OK,
I'll tell you , Hhampuz
You are an utter Dumbass.
That is the general consensus.
I'll tell you , Hhampuz
You are an utter Dumbass.
That is the general consensus.
No. It's not. Try harder.
Shut up lauda , everyone knows owlcatz is one of your sock puppets.
Shouldn't you be sucking off theymos now as payment.
OK,
I'll tell you , Hhampuz
You are an utter Dumbass.
That is the general consensus.
I'll tell you , Hhampuz
You are an utter Dumbass.
That is the general consensus.
No. It's not. Try harder.
As stated, the aTriz scam was exposed after that. How could I have used it as a reference beforehand? Had he not already been identified as someone with horrible judgement, the aTriz support while he was scamming would have done it. Don’t get mad at me that he’s continued to add to his list of shady behavior even after I excluded him...
I'm not mad at you, I'm just not trusting you for your ever-shifting excuses. If this was a single occurrence I'd call it a difference of opinions and leave it at that. But you seem to have misused DT ratings and exclusions more than once. For example you neg-trusted a user for posting in your thread, accused of buying the account, and refused to remove the rating even after the user proved otherwise. How many times did you edit that rating to change the narrative?
LOL but you will trust lauda.........sounds reasonable
for a scammer. As stated, the aTriz scam was exposed after that. How could I have used it as a reference beforehand? Had he not already been identified as someone with horrible judgement, the aTriz support while he was scamming would have done it. Don’t get mad at me that he’s continued to add to his list of shady behavior even after I excluded him...
I'm not mad at you, I'm just not trusting you for your ever-shifting excuses. If this was a single occurrence I'd call it a difference of opinions and leave it at that. But you seem to have misused DT ratings and exclusions more than once. For example you neg-trusted a user for posting in your thread, accused of buying the account, and refused to remove the rating even after the user proved otherwise. How many times did you edit that rating to change the narrative?
LOL. That user was threatening me for quite some time. I didn’t make most of it public. There’s no way I’d ever remove that rating. He’s lucky I didn’t call the police. He 100% deserved the rating he received and probably a lot more. I’ve gotten so many death threats from users here over the years, I don’t even try to make them public as it would add to my workload. This is actually a good example of why TMAN shouldn’t be in DT. He left that lunatic positive trust after he saw me being attacked by him. This is not what we want to see here at bitcointalk.
Is this what we want to see? https://imgur.com/a/BvLLC (album).
You trying to bully me into thinking everything is as you say it is? Someone in a position of power threatening to destroy my business due to the friends I keep?
But hey, tell me again how dumb I am while you've had the most "accurate opinion" over the last 8 years? (However that works).
To be honest, the day you are back on DT1 will be a sad day for this forum overall.
OK,
I'll tell you , Hhampuz
You are an utter Dumbass.
That is the general consensus.
As stated, the aTriz scam was exposed after that. How could I have used it as a reference beforehand? Had he not already been identified as someone with horrible judgement, the aTriz support while he was scamming would have done it. Don’t get mad at me that he’s continued to add to his list of shady behavior even after I excluded him...
I'm not mad at you, I'm just not trusting you for your ever-shifting excuses. If this was a single occurrence I'd call it a difference of opinions and leave it at that. But you seem to have misused DT ratings and exclusions more than once. For example you neg-trusted a user for posting in your thread, accused of buying the account, and refused to remove the rating even after the user proved otherwise. How many times did you edit that rating to change the narrative?
LOL. That user was threatening me for quite some time. I didn’t make most of it public. There’s no way I’d ever remove that rating. He’s lucky I didn’t call the police. He 100% deserved the rating he received and probably a lot more. I’ve gotten so many death threats from users here over the years, I don’t even try to make them public as it would add to my workload. This is actually a good example of why TMAN shouldn’t be in DT. He left that lunatic positive trust after he saw me being attacked by him. This is not what we want to see here at bitcointalk.
Is this what we want to see? https://imgur.com/a/BvLLC (album).
You trying to bully me into thinking everything is as you say it is? Someone in a position of power threatening to destroy my business due to the friends I keep?
But hey, tell me again how dumb I am while you've had the most "accurate opinion" over the last 8 years? (However that works).
To be honest, the day you are back on DT1 will be a sad day for this forum overall.
LOL. That user was threatening me for quite some time. I didn’t make most of it public. There’s no way I’d ever remove that rating. He’s lucky I didn’t call the police. He 100% deserved the rating he received and probably a lot more. I’ve gotten so many death threats from users here over the years, I don’t even try to make them public as it would add to my workload. This is actually a good example of why TMAN shouldn’t be in DT. He left that lunatic positive trust after he saw me being attacked by him. This is not what we want to see here at bitcointalk. So apparently attacking me is reason enough to earn default trust from TMAN now... Definitely some adjustments need to be made.
There you go. A reason #6 in addition to 5 specious reasons you put in the trust feedback. Exactly my point. You're just making it up as you go.
Just like your ratings for Frij and owlcatz evolved from mere disagreements or misunderstandings to full blown scam accusations.
HabBear was another one that you neg-trusted basically for a post you disliked. That has been removed, so well done. Feel free to rethink your other thin-skinned ratings and exclusions now that you have some free time off DT.
Again, you’re mad at me because these people have done so much shady activity? I’m only allowed to pick one? The fact there are 6 reasons for someone to get excluded from my trust network or given negative feedback is not a good thing... HabBear asked me to reconsider his trust rating and admitted he made a mistake so I removed his rating. I did the same thing for minerjones after he was caught letting TMAN manipulate an auction and doxxed canaryinthemine. When people act reasonably, I respond reasonably. You might say I’m a reasonable person.
LOL. That user was threatening me for quite some time. I didn’t make most of it public. There’s no way I’d ever remove that rating. He’s lucky I didn’t call the police. He 100% deserved the rating he received and probably a lot more. I’ve gotten so many death threats from users here over the years, I don’t even try to make them public as it would add to my workload. This is actually a good example of why TMAN shouldn’t be in DT. He left that lunatic positive trust after he saw me being attacked by him. This is not what we want to see here at bitcointalk. So apparently attacking me is reason enough to earn default trust from TMAN now... Definitely some adjustments need to be made.
There you go. A reason #6 in addition to 5 specious reasons you put in the trust feedback. Exactly my point. You're just making it up as you go.
Just like your ratings for Frij and owlcatz evolved from mere disagreements or misunderstandings to full blown scam accusations.
HabBear was another one that you neg-trusted basically for a post you disliked. That has been removed, so well done. Feel free to rethink your other thin-skinned ratings and exclusions now that you have some free time off DT.
Yeah pretty much... he can pm me for talking about removing the negs, but he never will. he's like Trump... Double down....
LOL. That user was threatening me for quite some time. I didn’t make most of it public. There’s no way I’d ever remove that rating. He’s lucky I didn’t call the police. He 100% deserved the rating he received and probably a lot more. I’ve gotten so many death threats from users here over the years, I don’t even try to make them public as it would add to my workload. This is actually a good example of why TMAN shouldn’t be in DT. He left that lunatic positive trust after he saw me being attacked by him. This is not what we want to see here at bitcointalk. So apparently attacking me is reason enough to earn default trust from TMAN now... Definitely some adjustments need to be made.
There you go. A reason #6 in addition to 5 specious reasons you put in the trust feedback. Exactly my point. You're just making it up as you go.
Just like your ratings for Frij and owlcatz evolved from mere disagreements or misunderstandings to full blown scam accusations.
HabBear was another one that you neg-trusted basically for a post you disliked. That has been removed, so well done. Feel free to rethink your other thin-skinned ratings and exclusions now that you have some free time off DT.
As stated, the aTriz scam was exposed after that. How could I have used it as a reference beforehand? Had he not already been identified as someone with horrible judgement, the aTriz support while he was scamming would have done it. Don’t get mad at me that he’s continued to add to his list of shady behavior even after I excluded him...
I'm not mad at you, I'm just not trusting you for your ever-shifting excuses. If this was a single occurrence I'd call it a difference of opinions and leave it at that. But you seem to have misused DT ratings and exclusions more than once. For example you neg-trusted a user for posting in your thread, accused of buying the account, and refused to remove the rating even after the user proved otherwise. How many times did you edit that rating to change the narrative?
LOL. That user was threatening me for quite some time. I didn’t make most of it public. There’s no way I’d ever remove that rating. He’s lucky I didn’t call the police. He 100% deserved the rating he received and probably a lot more. I’ve gotten so many death threats from users here over the years, I don’t even try to make them public as it would add to my workload. This is actually a good example of why TMAN shouldn’t be in DT. He left that lunatic positive trust after he saw me being attacked by him. This is not what we want to see here at bitcointalk. So apparently attacking me is reason enough to earn default trust from TMAN now... Definitely some adjustments need to be made.
Quote from: TMAN’s Trust for eoakland
2017-11-14 I trust this bloke.. he speaks out against the tyrannic OG"SADAM"Nasty.. so he is good in my book
As stated, the aTriz scam was exposed after that. How could I have used it as a reference beforehand? Had he not already been identified as someone with horrible judgement, the aTriz support while he was scamming would have done it. Don’t get mad at me that he’s continued to add to his list of shady behavior even after I excluded him...
I'm not mad at you, I'm just not trusting you for your ever-shifting excuses. If this was a single occurrence I'd call it a difference of opinions and leave it at that. But you seem to have misused DT ratings and exclusions more than once. For example you neg-trusted a user for posting in your thread, accused of buying the account, and refused to remove the rating even after the user proved otherwise. How many times did you edit that rating to change the narrative?
Since you didn’t answer...
I did answer. You excluded me in February 2018. When did the aTriz stuff come to light? What was your original reason for justifying excluding me from your trust list? It certainly wasn't that. You're making up reasons after the fact.Here it is: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30244238
Nothing about aTriz as far as I can see.
As stated, the aTriz scam was exposed after that. How could I have used it as a reference beforehand? Had he not already been identified as someone with horrible judgement, the aTriz support while he was scamming would have done it. Don’t get mad at me that he’s continued to add to his list of shady behavior even after I excluded him...
Since you didn’t answer...
I did answer. You excluded me in February 2018. When did the aTriz stuff come to light? What was your original reason for justifying excluding me from your trust list? It certainly wasn't that. You're making up reasons after the fact.Here it is: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30244238
Nothing about aTriz as far as I can see.
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