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legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
January 09, 2019, 08:18:33 PM
Does someone have a quick way to find out who's been removed from DT1?

Og is excluded by DT1 peers so that doesn't count
hilarious is the only one I recall who didn't make it to DT1 at all
Edit: Salty
Edit2: Tomato
Edit3: philipma1957, BadBear (my memory is lagging horribly)
who else?

We might want to consider reincluding these users for the next round.
Isn't it the list?
dserrano5, Maged

Yep, looks like it. Where did you get it?

So this is the list for consideration:

BadBear
dserrano5
hilariousandco
Maged
philipma1957
SaltySpitoon
Tomatocage

If you think any of these members have good reliable trust lists and deserve to be back in DT1 - please include them in your list. They may have been unfairly penalized by being in the old DT, which gave less incentive for other users to include them.
member
Activity: 364
Merit: 13
Killing Lightning Network with a 51% Ignore attack
January 09, 2019, 07:29:19 PM
Edit- I realized today why ignore button is here. Thank you Zin-Zang.

Your are welcome you ass kissing piece of excrement.

May Lauda steal from you as much as she steals from others.


 Cool
sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 280
January 09, 2019, 08:13:09 PM
Does someone have a quick way to find out who's been removed from DT1?

Og is excluded by DT1 peers so that doesn't count
hilarious is the only one I recall who didn't make it to DT1 at all
Edit: Salty
Edit2: Tomato
Edit3: philipma1957, BadBear (my memory is lagging horribly)
who else?

We might want to consider reincluding these users for the next round.
Isn't it the list?
dserrano5, Maged
By the way, has Badbear changed his name? I can remember I have seen something like this but can't remember. Is that Maged?



Yep, looks like it. Where did you get it?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-the-default-trust-system-still-workingactive-5080581
legendary
Activity: 1386
Merit: 1123
January 09, 2019, 08:12:06 PM
Does someone have a quick way to find out who's been removed from DT1?

Sounds like a job for LoyceV!
legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1167
MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
January 09, 2019, 08:08:01 PM
That list also appears to be out of date as the knives are already out for zazarb, by the look of it, going from undisputed +2 on that list to -1 now, (and consequently struck thru and off DT1?) according to this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt
How does one find out where his 3 negatives came from?
One is mine (I find his list questionable at best). It isn't easy, but you have to look through this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full. It seems that he is back again?

I have excluded zazarb and krog as well. I'd like to ask other DT1 members to do so at least until these two users clean their trust lists up. It seems they've been adding people they traded with into their lists... who in turn added them perhaps. Not a good use of the system IMO. Nothing against them personally.
I can agree with that. I have messaged krogo already and he has removed some people (2 which I've explicitly requested - both are mentioned in this thread; and some others chosen by himself). His list is still way too large and includes people that have no idea how this system works.

New page with info on the DT1 live "voting": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview
Very nice. No need for BPIP.

Ah look who it is.

Well the new design may be an improvement FOR SURE.

However, sadly it seems a couple of terrible things has happened.


1. Lauda who is a proven scam shill and protector has been put in a position of trust.
Not to mention something about 3000BTC being misused whilst under his control??

2. The only people that seemed to dare give him red trust are now missing from DT
Is this correct?

3.Also Lauda is abusing the trust system and trying to use it to silence people telling the truth about his past?



If I am mistaken about any of those things can you point them out?

Facts only

Lauda can you explain why you have given me red trust? thanks





legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
January 09, 2019, 08:00:14 PM
Does someone have a quick way to find out who's been removed from DT1?

Og is excluded by DT1 peers so that doesn't count
hilarious is the only one I recall who didn't make it to DT1 at all
Edit: Salty
Edit2: Tomato
Edit3: philipma1957, BadBear (my memory is lagging horribly)
who else?

We might want to consider reincluding these users for the next round.
legendary
Activity: 1386
Merit: 1123
January 09, 2019, 07:54:46 PM
Without reading through 10-pages of comments before posting this, I can see this is a big improvement to the trust system.

It was getting stale.

This gives incentive for more people to maintain a healthy custom trust-list without too much hassle in doing so; your new ;dt addition makes it very simple. I'm very pleased to see this change. This is going to move our trust system to be a bit more decentralized without as much potential for abuse as full decentralization would.

Consider adding a "-X/+Y" counter for this page as well, for convenience. Although, I like that ;dt works on the profile page, as well.
legendary
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1166
🤩Finally Married🤩
January 09, 2019, 07:36:53 PM
- You must have at least 10 people directly trusting you each with an earned merit of at least 10, not including merit you yourself sent.

Even if the botmaster will not be able himself to get into the DT1 list, anyway this is a good opportunity for farmers with a group of puppets. Therefore, the requirement of 10 merit might be insufficient.

I guess not, as far as I know they will only be counted if they have been sent positive feedbacks by people who are on the DT1 Lists,  even if accounts does that exchanging of trust and Merits of atleast 10, they will not be easily added on the list.
member
Activity: 364
Merit: 13
Killing Lightning Network with a 51% Ignore attack
January 09, 2019, 07:17:37 PM
Anyway, there are many conceivable ways to abuse the system, but if it happens, you can just shoot me a PM and I'll fix it, probably in less than 24 hours. To do it in a way that's non-obvious, where I wouldn't blacklist the accounts, would require tons of time and sMerit, and is unlikely. I'm inclined to let the current criteria go for a while and see if "unknowns" actually start habitually getting into it, in which case changes would be needed.

You're inclined to let your personal bitch harass an entire forum just because she gave you a blow job.

weak man with weak morals


 Cool
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 3000
Terminated.
January 09, 2019, 07:34:53 PM
That list also appears to be out of date as the knives are already out for zazarb, by the look of it, going from undisputed +2 on that list to -1 now, (and consequently struck thru and off DT1?) according to this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt
How does one find out where his 3 negatives came from?
One is mine (I find his list questionable at best). It isn't easy, but you have to look through this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full. It seems that he is back again?

I have excluded zazarb and krog as well. I'd like to ask other DT1 members to do so at least until these two users clean their trust lists up. It seems they've been adding people they traded with into their lists... who in turn added them perhaps. Not a good use of the system IMO. Nothing against them personally.
I can agree with that. I have messaged krogo already and he has removed some people (2 which I've explicitly requested - both are mentioned in this thread; and some others chosen by himself). His list is still way too large and includes people that have no idea how this system works.

New page with info on the DT1 live "voting": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview
Very nice. No need for BPIP.
legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1167
MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
January 09, 2019, 07:26:43 PM
There is nothing... Don't waste your time. Your health is more important, so get back on your meds, buddy! Tongue

Really we will see.

I bet I will see a lot of edits popping up on your 3 accounts.

This is all you dumb fools have?? no answers to the factual statements that i make at all??

LOL

freeze their accounts and analyse them. I wonder what will be found.

Also let's look at their trust feedbacks then entire lot and see what matches we see.

Surely no harm in being investigated is there???

I mean nothing to hide do you?

Oh yeah answer my questions with facts whilst you are here and ask you master Lauda to get it scumbag ass here to answer with clear facts and observable events why I got red trust.

He will not even come and explain it because to do so would mean he has to admit he was a scam promoter and also bring the details of his escrow bch debacle and have it all poured over in public. (which is going to happen anyway)

Then he needs to admit. He gave me red trust to try and prevent those FACTS being presented to whom I want when I want. Presenting facts about someone is not a threat unless you are a scammer or scumbag with things to hide.



I have one account. This one. Roll Eyes   Now, fuck off and stop wasting internet space.

LOL running off now are you.

No chance.

You, tman and lauda need investigating. Your entire history. Your entire trust feedback

I want a factual response from lauda about my red trust and why it was given. I want details. If he can not supply I want them removed at once. And that other asskissing div TMAN.

I will not have red trust for telling a scam promoter he is a scam promoter and protector.

How can revealing facts about his past be a threat if he has not done anything wrong.

Also can you now furnish me with details over his escrow bch debacle and explain exactly how you can be sure lauda is not guilty of wrong doing.

This is a good thing to investigate right here. I mean surely no matter of the greatness of the algo if it allows scam hunters to get red trust for telling a scam promoter and possible escrow scammer that he will ask for the facts to be investigated and relay them to projects he works with???

Are you telling me DT is there to enable the bad guys to silence the people that want to tell the truth about them?

Also I guess if I study all of your 3 post histories and look at your trust feedbacks I will see no reason to think you are colluding.

I mean aside from the fact a few mins after opening a thread concerning lauda giving red trust to silence the FACTS he is a scum bag that TMAN adds more red trust.... hmm just coincidence hey??

No harm investingating you 3 then is there?
legendary
Activity: 3570
Merit: 1959
January 09, 2019, 07:21:46 PM
A tagged account seller is also in DT2 list. krogothmanhattan have to do some exclusion. Otherwise, we have to face some drama for a while.
Willing to see a better trust system. Also, a good utilization of custom trust list since it may give a chance to scammer being listed in dt and scam a big amount. Anyway, I welcome the system change.

Edit- I realized today why ignore button is here. Thank you Zin-Zang.

Yes, I excluded zazarb as well as krogo until they fix their lists. Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1655
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January 09, 2019, 07:20:52 PM
member
Activity: 364
Merit: 13
Killing Lightning Network with a 51% Ignore attack
January 09, 2019, 07:12:07 PM
There is nothing... Don't waste your time. Your health is more important, so get back on your meds, buddy! Tongue

Go mind your own business, and kiss Lauda ass on your own time.

But her mouth belongs to Theymos.


 Cool

FYI:
Everyone knows Lauda is a crook.
sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 280
January 09, 2019, 07:18:17 PM
A tagged account seller is also in DT2 list. krogothmanhattan have to do some exclusion. Otherwise, we have to face some drama for a while.
Willing to see a better trust system. Also, a good utilization of custom trust list since it may give a chance to scammer being listed in dt and scam a big amount. Anyway, I welcome the system change.

Edit- I realized today why ignore button is here. Thank you Zin-Zang.

Even if the botmaster will not be able himself to get into the DT1 list, anyway this is a good opportunity for farmers with a group of puppets. Therefore, the requirement of 10 merit might be insufficient.
Isn't it required too?
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You must have at least 1 person directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 100, not including merit you sent yourself
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
January 09, 2019, 07:17:49 PM
That list also appears to be out of date as the knives are already out for zazarb, by the look of it, going from undisputed +2 on that list to -1 now, (and consequently struck thru and off DT1?) according to this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt
How does one find out where his 3 negatives came from?
One is mine (I find his list questionable at best). It isn't easy, but you have to look through this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full. It seems that he is back again?

I have excluded zazarb and krog as well. I'd like to ask other DT1 members to do so at least until these two users clean their trust lists up. It seems they've been adding people they traded with into their lists... who in turn added them perhaps. Not a good use of the system IMO. Nothing against them personally.
legendary
Activity: 3570
Merit: 1959
January 09, 2019, 07:16:41 PM
There is nothing... Don't waste your time. Your health is more important, so get back on your meds, buddy! Tongue

Really we will see.

I bet I will see a lot of edits popping up on your 3 accounts.

This is all you dumb fools have?? no answers to the factual statements that i make at all??

LOL

freeze their accounts and analyse them. I wonder what will be found.

Also let's look at their trust feedbacks then entire lot and see what matches we see.

Surely no harm in being investigated is there???

I mean nothing to hide do you?

Oh yeah answer my questions with facts whilst you are here and ask you master Lauda to get it scumbag ass here to answer with clear facts and observable events why I got red trust.

He will not even come and explain it because to do so would mean he has to admit he was a scam promoter and also bring the details of his escrow bch debacle and have it all poured over in public. (which is going to happen anyway)

Then he needs to admit. He gave me red trust to try and prevent those FACTS being presented to whom I want when I want. Presenting facts about someone is not a threat unless you are a scammer or scumbag with things to hide.



I have one account. This one. Roll Eyes   Now, fuck off and stop wasting internet space.
member
Activity: 364
Merit: 13
Killing Lightning Network with a 51% Ignore attack
January 09, 2019, 07:00:01 PM
That list also appears to be out of date as the knives are already out for zazarb, by the look of it, going from undisputed +2 on that list to -1 now, (and consequently struck thru and off DT1?) according to this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt
How does one find out where his 3 negatives came from?
One is mine (I find his list questionable at best). It isn't easy, but you have to look through this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full. It seems that he is back again?

My , you are the scared pussy cat today.

Mouth full?

 Cool

FYI:
Whom are you planing to extort money from this week?

I guess you need to get sucking and ask theymos for that permaban on your detractors.


Is there still anyone dumb enough to use your escrow service?
legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1167
MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
January 09, 2019, 07:15:30 PM
There is nothing... Don't waste your time. Your health is more important, so get back on your meds, buddy! Tongue

Really we will see.

I bet I will see a lot of edits popping up on your 3 accounts.

This is all you dumb fools have?? no answers to the factual statements that i make at all??

LOL

freeze their accounts and analyse them. I wonder what will be found.

Also let's look at their trust feedbacks then entire lot and see what matches we see.

Surely no harm in being investigated is there???

I mean nothing to hide do you?

Oh yeah answer my questions with facts whilst you are here and ask you master Lauda to get it scumbag ass here to answer with clear facts and observable events why I got red trust.

He will not even come and explain it because to do so would mean he has to admit he was a scam promoter and also bring the details of his escrow bch debacle and have it all poured over in public. (which is going to happen anyway)

Then he needs to admit. He gave me red trust to try and prevent those FACTS being presented to whom I want when I want. Presenting facts about someone is not a threat unless you are a scammer or scumbag with things to hide.

administrator
Activity: 5222
Merit: 13032
January 09, 2019, 07:14:35 PM
New page with info on the DT1 live "voting": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

But probably far less who will actually update their lists. Having said that, 10 people with 10 merits (and 1 with 100) trusting you is not a particularly high bar to be set. I would worry about potential scammers either buying or trading merits their way on to DT.
If I'm not mistaken, 200 sMerit is enough to create 10 DT1 members: Send 20 Merit to 10 accounts, send 10 times 10 Merit to the last account, and give all of them this Custom trust list:

All of the "DT1s" would also have to be of Member rank, which isn't trivial.

Anyway, there are many conceivable ways to abuse the system, but if it happens, you can just shoot me a PM and I'll fix it, probably in less than 24 hours. To do it in a way that's non-obvious, where I wouldn't blacklist the accounts, would require tons of time and sMerit, and is unlikely. I'm inclined to let the current criteria go for a while and see if "unknowns" actually start habitually getting into it, in which case changes would be needed.

Anyone knows if this counts as an -1 score on everybody on DT list if you are on DT1?

It doesn't. The algorithm would never work that way.
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