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legendary
Activity: 2758
Merit: 6830
January 09, 2019, 05:32:23 PM
Would it not be logical that when one leaves a positive or negative trust for someone, that one's own trust list should automatically change to either respectively include that member or exclude (~) them? Or at least to have that option in Settings?
I don't think so. You may give someone positive feedback due to a good trade or specific case. But this doesn't mean that you trust this user entirely and whoever he also trusts.

I thought that's how the system works.
You give someone a positive they move up to your DT0?
It's not. Someone only becomes your DT0 when you manually add them into your trust list. All that giving someone feedback does is changing his trust rating (in case you are in DT or if someone has you in his trust list, otherwise, your feedback becomes untrusted and doesn't count for the rating).
hero member
Activity: 908
Merit: 657
January 09, 2019, 05:31:19 PM
Would it not be logical that when one leaves a positive or negative trust for someone, that one's own trust list should automatically change to either respectively include that member or exclude (~) them? Or at least to have that option in Settings?
It kinda does.
It does not.


I thought that's how the system works.
You give someone a positive they love up to your DT0?

This is known as CanaryInTheMine syndrome.
copper member
Activity: 2856
Merit: 3071
https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory
January 09, 2019, 05:30:35 PM
Would it not be logical that when one leaves a positive or negative trust for someone, that one's own trust list should automatically change to either respectively include that member or exclude (~) them? Or at least to have that option in Settings?
It kinda does.
It does not.


I thought that's how the system works.
You give someone a positive they move up to your DT0?
legendary
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January 09, 2019, 05:27:24 PM
It kinda does.

Well it doesn’t, just because I have done a load of physical deals over the years doesn’t mean I would take DT seriously. In my case I actually will start tagging people and will re evaluate all previous tags, but the 2 things don’t go hand in hand
legendary
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Terminated.
January 09, 2019, 05:24:29 PM
Would it not be logical that when one leaves a positive or negative trust for someone, that one's own trust list should automatically change to either respectively include that member or exclude (~) them? Or at least to have that option in Settings?
It kinda does.
It does not.
copper member
Activity: 2856
Merit: 3071
https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory
January 09, 2019, 05:23:02 PM
Would it not be logical that when one leaves a positive or negative trust for someone, that one's own trust list should automatically change to either respectively include that member or exclude (~) them? Or at least to have that option in Settings?

It kinda does.
I sent a positive to jet Cash for a trade we did and he did likewise.

We are both on each other's trust list. His trust scores impact mine based on his positive trust.
As I gave btccrazy1 a positive,his will also affect mine too.
legendary
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Terminated.
January 09, 2019, 05:20:41 PM
Would it not be logical that when one leaves a positive or negative trust for someone, that one's own trust list should automatically change to either respectively include that member or exclude (~) them?
Just because someone did something trustworthy or untrustworthy, that doesn't mean that their sent ratings are trustworthy/untrustworthy.
legendary
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"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."
January 09, 2019, 05:19:22 PM
Would it not be logical that when one leaves a positive or negative trust for someone, that one's own trust list should automatically change to either respectively include that member or exclude (~) them? Or at least to have that option in Settings?
legendary
Activity: 2674
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Terminated.
January 09, 2019, 05:17:07 PM
I hope some of the newer additions to DT1 take the time to re-visit their trust lists. For instance, some guy who was selling hacked Ebay accounts and scammed a guy for $7 (lol) is now in DT2.
Just exclude him:
Code:
~gamerfan

I'll use this opportunity to share my exclusions:
Code:
~cryptohunter
~gamerfan
~game-protect
~SmartPayMINT

Two of those are included by krogothmanhattan. Note that 1 exclusion is not enough to cancel 1 inclusion.
His list looks terrible:

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satoshi
        theymos
        laszlo
        bg002h
        casascius
        mwally
        Noitev
        Josh
        BookofNick
        fabrizziop
        counter
        OgNasty
        CanaryInTheMine
        Otoh
        Mjbmonetarymetals
        Lincoln6Echo
        John (John K.)
        SaltySpitoon
        canton
        Pistachio
        squall1066
        serp
        philipma1957
        dozerz
        bigtimespaghetti
        BG4
        Cyrus
        hephaist0s
        monkeynuts
        TMAN
        flora_digitalis
        TookDk
        cptdome1
        Mitchell
        vizique
        wttbs
        Ticked
        dArkjON
        Blazed
        FiniteByDesign
        yogg
        bittawm
        klaaas
        hybridsole
        greenplastic
        AT101ET
        cryptodechange
        buckrogers
        Lesbian Cow
        XXXgames
        Hexah
        elianite
        Jackblack90909
        NattyLiteCoin
        wheelz1200
        Rmcdermott927
        DaveF
        teeGUMES
        owlcatz
        bitkilo
        CryptoImperator
        dazedfool
        iluvbitcoins
        Fortify
        Luckycoin90
        BitcoinPenny
        chronicsky
        Zepher
        Hox
        Xprim777
        BTCMILLIONAIRE
        digicoinuser
        micromen
        BitcoinNewsMagazine
        tothemoonsands
        m4nki
        Lutpin
        SFR10
        Zyro
        BTCC_Official
        elokk
        Bitguy2016
        polymerbit
        nathansenn
        lebnor
        Hhampuz
        trbittr
        ChiBitCTy
        anorganix
        comit
        bobbyclee
        Kryptowerk
        wolfcoin2
        OneNattyLitecoin
        rusbitcoinuser
        Ramelius
        ThatRandomDude
        Trofo
        Kid_diK
        JanEmil
        Untold
        bavicrypto
        Crypto_Collection
        Wyospl2
        justatrader
        ClearSky8
        frankbitcoin
        ZipReg
        iasenko
        fclardycake
        BitElevation
        Heisenberg_Hunter
        guy369
        grbox2002
        ArkiCrypto
        Collectcrypto
        SmartPayMINT
        qsdqsd
        NightSabre
Cry
legendary
Activity: 3066
Merit: 1757
January 09, 2019, 05:10:45 PM
my main account is off DT2
I'll take 10% of the blame for that - I had you in my list but recently I replaced my custom list with the default for debugging purposes... so that screwed up my own eligibility and possibly some others. Will have to wait for the next month. And I'm hoping many other users will treat this change as a kick in the butt to go and set up their custom lists.
Added him back too.
Thanks! That was the shortest jail break ever Cheesy

I already found the first user who left fresh retaliation feedback today: SmartPayMINT.
All of a sudden 5 users who left him negative trust were put on DT, but one user who left him positive trust also added him to his trust network. I don't really get why someone would add a Jr. Member after buying an item.
I guess we'll now have to start excluding users when we leave them red trust. In this case:
Code:
~SmartPayMINT
That instantly took away the negative trust for owlcatz, Lesbian Cow and yog. With some fine tuning, this system can work Cheesy

Thanks! 
legendary
Activity: 3374
Merit: 4738
diamond-handed zealot
January 09, 2019, 05:09:46 PM
Theymos quit being a coward,

You reinstated Lauda,and you remain silent.

Man up and admit she does unspeakable deeds for you.

Damn, I'm found out. While personally training Lauda in the dark arts of forum moderation, we fell deeply in love. I couldn't bear to see her endure the torture of trust drama while doing unspeakable deeds for me, so I invented this complicated algorithm as an excuse to add her back in even though I could've just unilaterally added her to DT at any second. Truly, my cowardice knows no bounds.

lolz
hero member
Activity: 908
Merit: 657
January 09, 2019, 05:09:58 PM
Already ahead of you on the first one. Even easier, just add you to my trust network and let you do the work for me  Cool
That works for your view, but since you're DT2 the exclusion through me will be DT3 to the rest of the forum.
In other words, you'll have to exclude him yourself if you want to exclude him on DT2.

(Until today, I never understood this implication of custum trust lists!)

Neither did I to be honest



Does anyone know if I can see the default trust list? I have since removed it from my trust network...

Just add ;dt to the end of your trust settings.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt
hero member
Activity: 908
Merit: 657
January 09, 2019, 05:08:23 PM
Already ahead of you on the first one. Even easier, just add you to my trust network and let you do the work for me  Cool
That works for your view, but since you're DT2 the exclusion through me will be DT3 to the rest of the forum.
In other words, you'll have to exclude him yourself if you want to exclude him on DT2.

(Until today, I never understood this implication of custum trust lists!)

My understanding was that DT2 trust lists don't impact the rest of the forum (in terms of DT) unless their depth is higher than 2. Whether I exclude him via adding you to my custom trust list, or directly on my own list, the outcome is the same for others (unless they have a custom depth or trust me directly).
copper member
Activity: 2856
Merit: 3071
https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory
January 09, 2019, 05:07:28 PM
Already ahead of you on the first one. Even easier, just add you to my trust network and let you do the work for me  Cool
That works for your view, but since you're DT2 the exclusion through me will be DT3 to the rest of the forum.
In other words, you'll have to exclude him yourself if you want to exclude him on DT2.

(Until today, I never understood this implication of custum trust lists!)

Neither did I to be honest



Does anyone know if I can see the default trust list? I have since removed it from my trust network...
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
January 09, 2019, 04:59:39 PM
Already ahead of you on the first one. Even easier, just add you to my trust network and let you do the work for me  Cool
That works for your view, but since you're DT2 the exclusion through me will be DT3 to the rest of the forum.
In other words, you'll have to exclude him yourself if you want to exclude him on DT2.

(Until today, I never understood this implication of custom trust lists!)
hero member
Activity: 908
Merit: 657
January 09, 2019, 04:55:11 PM
I hope some of the newer additions to DT1 take the time to re-visit their trust lists. For instance, some guy who was selling hacked Ebay accounts and scammed a guy for $7 (lol) is now in DT2.
Just exclude him:
Code:
~gamerfan

I'll use this opportunity to share my exclusions:
Code:
~cryptohunter
~gamerfan
~game-protect
~SmartPayMINT

Two of those are included by krogothmanhattan. Note that 1 exclusion is not enough to cancel 1 inclusion.

Already ahead of you on the first one. Even easier, just add you to my trust network and let you do the work for me  Cool
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
January 09, 2019, 04:52:51 PM
I hope some of the newer additions to DT1 take the time to re-visit their trust lists. For instance, some guy who was selling hacked Ebay accounts and scammed a guy for $7 (lol) is now in DT2.
Just exclude him:
Code:
~gamerfan

I'll use this opportunity to share my exclusions:
Code:
~cryptohunter
~gamerfan
~game-protect
~SmartPayMINT

Two of those are included by krogothmanhattan. Note that 1 exclusion is not enough to cancel 1 inclusion.
hero member
Activity: 908
Merit: 657
January 09, 2019, 04:52:07 PM
I hope some of the newer additions to DT1 take the time to re-visit their trust lists. For instance, some guy who was selling hacked Ebay accounts and scammed a guy for $7 (lol) is now in DT2.
Would be easier if you wrote who added a particular member when pointing something like this out. PM'd krogo. His list seems very unmaintained.

It was just an example to illustrate the general point. Was planning on PM'ing him as well, but it seems that won't be necessary now Smiley
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18771
January 09, 2019, 04:51:47 PM
It doesn't matter if you can get an account or two to the list this way. It's only important that you can't get a big enough share.
Ahh yeah, fair point.

I hope some of the newer additions to DT1 take the time to re-visit their trust lists.
Agreed, but to be fair, I think everyone should be taking time to re-visit both their sent feedbacks and their trust lists. There are going to be many new inclusions on DT2 as well over the coming days as things settle down, and I'm sure there will be many more cases like the one you've highlighted popping up.

Perhaps the requirement should be top 200 (LOL) or at least top 50% of merit earners or smth like that.
Hahaha. Perhaps not as strict as top 200, but certainly a requirement higher than 10 is reasonable in my opinion.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
January 09, 2019, 04:51:35 PM
I really think they need to of earn't 250 merit, but thats just my thought on it
Again, that would help for now, but just push the problem further down the line as more and more members (and more and more sold/hacked accounts) will eventually reach that milestone.

Perhaps the requirement should be top 200 (LOL) or at least top 50% of merit earners or smth like that. But there are other barriers too. I bet theymos will review it next month when no doubt some abuse attempts will be happening and will adjust it if needed.
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