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Quote from: Lauda on January 09, 2019, 05:24:29 PM

Would it not be logical that when one leaves a positive or negative trust for someone, that one's own trust list should automatically change to either respectively include that member or exclude (~) them? Or at least to have that option in Settings?

It kinda does.

It does not.

I thought that's how the system works.
You give someone a positive they love up to your DT0?

This is known as CanaryInTheMine syndrome.

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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Would it not be logical that when one leaves a positive or negative trust for someone, that one's own trust list should automatically change to either respectively include that member or exclude (~) them? Or at least to have that option in Settings?

It kinda does.

It does not.

I thought that's how the system works.
You give someone a positive they move up to your DT0?

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It kinda does.

Well it doesn’t, just because I have done a load of physical deals over the years doesn’t mean I would take DT seriously. In my case I actually will start tagging people and will re evaluate all previous tags, but the 2 things don’t go hand in hand

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Would it not be logical that when one leaves a positive or negative trust for someone, that one's own trust list should automatically change to either respectively include that member or exclude (~) them? Or at least to have that option in Settings?

It kinda does.

It does not.

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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Would it not be logical that when one leaves a positive or negative trust for someone, that one's own trust list should automatically change to either respectively include that member or exclude (~) them? Or at least to have that option in Settings?

It kinda does.
I sent a positive to jet Cash for a trade we did and he did likewise.

We are both on each other's trust list. His trust scores impact mine based on his positive trust.
As I gave btccrazy1 a positive,his will also affect mine too.

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Quote from: LoyceV on January 09, 2019, 04:52:51 PM

Would it not be logical that when one leaves a positive or negative trust for someone, that one's own trust list should automatically change to either respectively include that member or exclude (~) them?

Just because someone did something trustworthy or untrustworthy, that doesn't mean that their sent ratings are trustworthy/untrustworthy.

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Would it not be logical that when one leaves a positive or negative trust for someone, that one's own trust list should automatically change to either respectively include that member or exclude (~) them? Or at least to have that option in Settings?

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Quote from: LoyceV on January 09, 2019, 02:36:06 PM

I hope some of the newer additions to DT1 take the time to re-visit their trust lists. For instance, some guy who was selling hacked Ebay accounts and scammed a guy for $7 (lol) is now in DT2.

Just exclude him:

Code:

~gamerfan

I'll use this opportunity to share my exclusions:

Code:

~cryptohunter
~gamerfan
~game-protect
~SmartPayMINT

Two of those are included by krogothmanhattan. Note that 1 exclusion is not enough to cancel 1 inclusion.

His list looks terrible:

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satoshi
theymos
laszlo
bg002h
casascius
mwally
Noitev
Josh
BookofNick
fabrizziop
counter
OgNasty
CanaryInTheMine
Otoh
Mjbmonetarymetals
Lincoln6Echo
John (John K.)
SaltySpitoon
canton
Pistachio
squall1066
serp
philipma1957
dozerz
bigtimespaghetti
BG4
Cyrus
hephaist0s
monkeynuts
TMAN
flora_digitalis
TookDk
cptdome1
Mitchell
vizique
wttbs
Ticked
dArkjON
Blazed
FiniteByDesign
yogg
bittawm
klaaas
hybridsole
greenplastic
AT101ET
cryptodechange
buckrogers
Lesbian Cow
XXXgames
Hexah
elianite
Jackblack90909
NattyLiteCoin
wheelz1200
Rmcdermott927
DaveF
teeGUMES
owlcatz
bitkilo
CryptoImperator
dazedfool
iluvbitcoins
Fortify
Luckycoin90
BitcoinPenny
chronicsky
Zepher
Hox
Xprim777
BTCMILLIONAIRE
digicoinuser
micromen
BitcoinNewsMagazine
tothemoonsands
m4nki
Lutpin
SFR10
Zyro
BTCC_Official
elokk
Bitguy2016
polymerbit
nathansenn
lebnor
Hhampuz
trbittr
ChiBitCTy
anorganix
comit
bobbyclee
Kryptowerk
wolfcoin2
OneNattyLitecoin
rusbitcoinuser
Ramelius
ThatRandomDude
Trofo
Kid_diK
JanEmil
Untold
bavicrypto
Crypto_Collection
Wyospl2
justatrader
ClearSky8
frankbitcoin
ZipReg
iasenko
fclardycake
BitElevation
Heisenberg_Hunter
guy369
grbox2002
ArkiCrypto
Collectcrypto
SmartPayMINT
qsdqsd
NightSabre

Lesbian Cow

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Quote from: Lauda on January 09, 2019, 02:02:43 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on January 09, 2019, 02:01:13 PM

Quote from: LoyceMobile on January 09, 2019, 01:52:29 PM

my main account is off DT2

I'll take 10% of the blame for that - I had you in my list but recently I replaced my custom list with the default for debugging purposes... so that screwed up my own eligibility and possibly some others. Will have to wait for the next month. And I'm hoping many other users will treat this change as a kick in the butt to go and set up their custom lists.

Added him back too.

Thanks! That was the shortest jail break ever Cheesy

I already found the first user who left fresh retaliation feedback today: SmartPayMINT.
All of a sudden 5 users who left him negative trust were put on DT, but one user who left him positive trust also added him to his trust network. I don't really get why someone would add a Jr. Member after buying an item.
I guess we'll now have to start excluding users when we leave them red trust. In this case:

Code:

~SmartPayMINT

That instantly took away the negative trust for owlcatz, Lesbian Cow and yog. With some fine tuning, this system can work Cheesy

Thanks!

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Quote from: theymos on January 09, 2019, 03:52:19 PM

Quote from: Zin-Zang on January 09, 2019, 03:43:18 PM

Theymos quit being a coward,

You reinstated Lauda,and you remain silent.

Man up and admit she does unspeakable deeds for you.

Damn, I'm found out. While personally training Lauda in the dark arts of forum moderation, we fell deeply in love. I couldn't bear to see her endure the torture of trust drama while doing unspeakable deeds for me, so I invented this complicated algorithm as an excuse to add her back in even though I could've just unilaterally added her to DT at any second. Truly, my cowardice knows no bounds.

lolz

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Quote from: jackg on January 09, 2019, 05:07:28 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on January 09, 2019, 04:59:39 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on January 09, 2019, 04:59:39 PM

Already ahead of you on the first one. Even easier, just add you to my trust network and let you do the work for me Cool

That works for your view, but since you're DT2 the exclusion through me will be DT3 to the rest of the forum.
In other words, you'll have to exclude him yourself if you want to exclude him on DT2.

(Until today, I never understood this implication of custum trust lists!)

Neither did I to be honest

Does anyone know if I can see the default trust list? I have since removed it from my trust network...

Just add ;dt to the end of your trust settings.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt

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Quote from: LoyceV on January 09, 2019, 04:59:39 PM

Already ahead of you on the first one. Even easier, just add you to my trust network and let you do the work for me Cool

That works for your view, but since you're DT2 the exclusion through me will be DT3 to the rest of the forum.
In other words, you'll have to exclude him yourself if you want to exclude him on DT2.

(Until today, I never understood this implication of custum trust lists!)

My understanding was that DT2 trust lists don't impact the rest of the forum (in terms of DT) unless their depth is higher than 2. Whether I exclude him via adding you to my custom trust list, or directly on my own list, the outcome is the same for others (unless they have a custom depth or trust me directly).

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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Already ahead of you on the first one. Even easier, just add you to my trust network and let you do the work for me Cool

That works for your view, but since you're DT2 the exclusion through me will be DT3 to the rest of the forum.
In other words, you'll have to exclude him yourself if you want to exclude him on DT2.

(Until today, I never understood this implication of custum trust lists!)

Neither did I to be honest

Does anyone know if I can see the default trust list? I have since removed it from my trust network...

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Quote from: LoyceV on January 09, 2019, 04:52:51 PM

Already ahead of you on the first one. Even easier, just add you to my trust network and let you do the work for me Cool

That works for your view, but since you're DT2 the exclusion through me will be DT3 to the rest of the forum.
In other words, you'll have to exclude him yourself if you want to exclude him on DT2.

(Until today, I never understood this implication of custom trust lists!)

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I hope some of the newer additions to DT1 take the time to re-visit their trust lists. For instance, some guy who was selling hacked Ebay accounts and scammed a guy for $7 (lol) is now in DT2.

Just exclude him:

Code:

~gamerfan

I'll use this opportunity to share my exclusions:

Code:

~cryptohunter
~gamerfan
~game-protect
~SmartPayMINT

Two of those are included by krogothmanhattan. Note that 1 exclusion is not enough to cancel 1 inclusion.

Already ahead of you on the first one. Even easier, just add you to my trust network and let you do the work for me Cool

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Quote from: Lauda on January 09, 2019, 04:50:33 PM

I hope some of the newer additions to DT1 take the time to re-visit their trust lists. For instance, some guy who was selling hacked Ebay accounts and scammed a guy for $7 (lol) is now in DT2.

Just exclude him:

Code:

~gamerfan

I'll use this opportunity to share my exclusions:

Code:

~cryptohunter
~gamerfan
~game-protect
~SmartPayMINT

Two of those are included by krogothmanhattan. Note that 1 exclusion is not enough to cancel 1 inclusion.

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Quote from: Lauda on January 09, 2019, 04:47:38 PM

I hope some of the newer additions to DT1 take the time to re-visit their trust lists. For instance, some guy who was selling hacked Ebay accounts and scammed a guy for $7 (lol) is now in DT2.

Would be easier if you wrote who added a particular member when pointing something like this out. PM'd krogo. His list seems very unmaintained.

It was just an example to illustrate the general point. Was planning on PM'ing him as well, but it seems that won't be necessary now

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It doesn't matter if you can get an account or two to the list this way. It's only important that you can't get a big enough share.

Ahh yeah, fair point.

Quote from: suchmoon on January 09, 2019, 04:51:35 PM

I hope some of the newer additions to DT1 take the time to re-visit their trust lists.

Agreed, but to be fair, I think everyone should be taking time to re-visit both their sent feedbacks and their trust lists. There are going to be many new inclusions on DT2 as well over the coming days as things settle down, and I'm sure there will be many more cases like the one you've highlighted popping up.

Perhaps the requirement should be top 200 (LOL) or at least top 50% of merit earners or smth like that.

Hahaha. Perhaps not as strict as top 200, but certainly a requirement higher than 10 is reasonable in my opinion.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on January 09, 2019, 04:45:17 PM

Quote from: TMAN on January 09, 2019, 04:41:22 PM

I really think they need to of earn't 250 merit, but thats just my thought on it

Again, that would help for now, but just push the problem further down the line as more and more members (and more and more sold/hacked accounts) will eventually reach that milestone.

Perhaps the requirement should be top 200 (LOL) or at least top 50% of merit earners or smth like that. But there are other barriers too. I bet theymos will review it next month when no doubt some abuse attempts will be happening and will adjust it if needed.

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