I hope some of the newer additions to DT1 take the time to re-visit their trust lists. For instance, some guy who was selling hacked Ebay accounts and scammed a guy for $7 (lol) is now in DT2.
Would be easier if you wrote who added a particular member when pointing something like this out. PM'd krogo. His list seems very unmaintained. 
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I hope some of the newer additions to DT1 take the time to re-visit their trust lists. For instance, some guy who was selling hacked Ebay accounts and scammed a guy for $7 (lol) is now in DT2.
There should definitely be an activity requirement in addition to the merit requirement being increased.
That would certainly make it harder, but given the number of ongoing account sales, still not difficult enough (i.e. impossible).You are right, Loyce and I missed that. Each new account would need at least 60 merit.
You've lost me: Member rank requires 10 Merit.
You are right, Loyce and I missed that. Each new account would need at least 60 merit.
You've lost me: Member rank requires 10 Merit.I interpreted theymos' statement as saying that 10 Merit is enough, but it may go up if the Member requirement ever changes.
There should definitely be an activity requirement in addition to the merit requirement being increased.
That would certainly make it harder, but given the number of ongoing account sales, still not difficult enough (i.e. impossible).I really think they need to of earn't 250 merit, but thats just my thought on it
Again, that would help for now, but just push the problem further down the line as more and more members (and more and more sold/hacked accounts) will eventually reach that milestone.I suppose the protective feature here is that theymos said he will be manually rebuilding DT1 every month or so, so it would never actually happen without him realizing it first. That does essentially centralize the DT list to theymos and give him a veto over anyone's inclusion though (but I guess that's always been the case to an extent).
There should definitely be an activity requirement in addition to the merit requirement being increased. Now it is even more dangerous to add inactive accounts to any kind of list!
- If rank was determined solely using earned merit, then you must be of at least Member rank.
I really think they need to of earn't na mate, you missunderstood - I think the bar is far too low, 250 merit should be the minimum earn't to be considered for DT1
There should definitely be an activity requirement in addition to the merit requirement being increased. Now it is even more dangerous to add inactive accounts to any kind of list!
- If rank was determined solely using earned merit, then you must be of at least Member rank.
I really think they need to of earn't na mate, you missunderstood - I think the bar is far too low, 250 merit should be the minimum earn't to be considered for DT1
Ah, I got it. I don't think that kicks anyone out from the current list, does it? 
Changes are good, although I am amazed at how merits can be used in selecting DT1 members "marketplace trust".
Will there be any modifications to the algorithm to be a trust member "DT1 or DT2" for each local board?
Will there be any modifications to the algorithm to be a trust member "DT1 or DT2" for each local board?
There should definitely be an activity requirement in addition to the merit requirement being increased. Now it is even more dangerous to add inactive accounts to any kind of list!
- If rank was determined solely using earned merit, then you must be of at least Member rank.
I really think they need to of earn't 250 merit, but thats just my thought on it
But probably far less who will actually update their lists. Having said that, 10 people with 10 merits (and 1 with 100) trusting you is not a particularly high bar to be set. I would worry about potential scammers either buying or trading merits their way on to DT.
If I'm not mistaken, 200 sMerit is enough to create 10 DT1 members: Send 20 Merit to 10 accounts, send 10 times 10 Merit to the last account, and give all of them this Custom trust list:Code:
myfirstDT1
mysecondDT1
mythirdDT1
myfourthDT1
myfifthDT1
mysixthDT1
myseventhDT1
myeightDT1
myninethDT1
mytenthDT1
myeleventhDT1
A bored Newbie with a hacked Legendary account could pull this off. Then exclude all other DT1 accounts, and the hostile takeover of the trust network is complete (until manual intervention).
Suggestion: Shouldn't there at least also be an Activity requirement?
But probably far less who will actually update their lists. Having said that, 10 people with 10 merits (and 1 with 100) trusting you is not a particularly high bar to be set. I would worry about potential scammers either buying or trading merits their way on to DT.
If I'm not mistaken, 200 sMerit is enough to create 10 DT1 members: Send 20 Merit to 10 accounts, send 10 times 10 Merit to the last account, and give all of them this Custom trust list:Code:
myfirstDT1
mysecondDT1
mythirdDT1
myfourthDT1
myfifthDT1
mysixthDT1
myseventhDT1
myeightDT1
myninethDT1
mytenthDT1
myeleventhDT1
A bored Newbie with a hacked Legendary account could pull this off. Then exclude all other DT1 accounts, and the hostile takeover of the trust network is complete (until manual intervention).
It can even work with less sMerit too, if you use the remaining sMerit in each account.
Suggestion: Shouldn't there at least also be an Activity requirement?
Update: this won't work with Newbies, they must have at least Member rank.
The new implement of trust network will help more to keep forum scam free. It's time to reconsider your custom trust list. I believe negative feedback will be reconsider each other between DT member. I am encourage with it if someone not obvious scammer. But who have tagged for obvious scam with proof but if he on DT2 list, his feedback should not be reconsider.
I just deleted my all trust list personalizations and going to start again.
Why, I'm not sure, but my brain just melted a bit and I want to think about it.
In view of the small number of members who actually set their own list, then I guess the vast majority will be seeing red and green trust by default left by these DT1 and DT2 members
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust
Is that right?
Why, I'm not sure, but my brain just melted a bit and I want to think about it.
In view of the small number of members who actually set their own list, then I guess the vast majority will be seeing red and green trust by default left by these DT1 and DT2 members
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust
Is that right?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt is the DT view regardless of your own settings.
Yeah thanks, that's what I thought.
As some amount of previously left "untrusted" feedback will now be lighting up green or red lights, maybe it would be a good idea to have the "Show untrusted feedback by default" box in profile settings ticked by default.
The older hands here will be able to appreciate the subtleties of Theymos' action on this, but it's important to remember the
The old system was better. As a result, we have a member in the DT1 list which is far to be someone to trust 
Abuse the forum and get included as a trusted person
happy new year resolution
Abuse the forum and get included as a trusted person
happy new year resolution
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Consider my pants fixed.
Yes. There are thousands of users whose custom lists will start to matter a lot.
But probably far less who will actually update their lists. Having said that, 10 people with 10 merits (and 1 with 100) trusting you is not a particularly high bar to be set. I would worry about potential scammers either buying or trading merits their way on to DT.
Really interesting to see changes being made to the forum. Thanks theymos!
now 2fa when?
now 2fa when?
Interesting changes. Looks like more people are going to have to learn to get along now 
Doubtful Lauda has always been hard to get along with ,
and Theymos directly sanctions her actions, why would she change anything she does.
I were also tagged by Lauda but after starting normal conversation about solving the issue Lauda actually were looking after for second chance.
We all do deserve second chance, not only to receive but give.
Believe me no matter how bad you think Lauda is, in matter of fact, even he/she is normal and good person like everyone else who give second chance.
Just make normal conversation and don't be ignorant.
2nd Case: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=234771 (My own view) - MikeMike, Timelord2067, Vod, cryptodevil, philipma1957, peonminer, CanaryInTheMine feedback as trusted.
In the 2nd case I see MikeMike and peonminer are added member whos feedbacks are showing Trusted feedback from me. Thing is, I never added these two in my trust list (No disrespect guys, I don't know you two.). So, I am a bit confuse how these two are trusted for me?
People who you add to your list are DT1 for you. The people that they have added to their lists are DT2 for you. Feedbacks from both layers are visible by default.In the 2nd case I see MikeMike and peonminer are added member whos feedbacks are showing Trusted feedback from me. Thing is, I never added these two in my trust list (No disrespect guys, I don't know you two.). So, I am a bit confuse how these two are trusted for me?
CanaryInTheMine includes MikeMike. Not sure about peonminer.
And krogothmanhattan -> CanaryInTheMine -> MikeMike
zazarb and krogothmanhattan are on my DT1 among all other I trust.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt is the DT view regardless of your own settings.
;dt attribute works to see the profile rating too.Example: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vod-30747
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Now I understand the entire trust system better than ever.I'm going to have to ask you to stop using that gif because every time I see it makes me feel funny in my pants.
There's a fix for your pants:Firefox > about:config > image.animation_mode > once
Now it's just a dumb looking picture.
I'll delete this post in 15 minutes.
Nice thing and good to see some changes !
Translated this thread to the German forum https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/die-default-trust-wurde-geandert-5095223 so everybody knows about !
Would be nice if an Admin or Global Mod can stick it there !
Translated this thread to the German forum https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/die-default-trust-wurde-geandert-5095223 so everybody knows about !
Would be nice if an Admin or Global Mod can stick it there !
i dont trust anybody. 
not even myself.
but i now changed the default-setting. i had to make ~
not even myself.but i now changed the default-setting. i had to make ~
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