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mdayonliner

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Quote from: Lauda on January 09, 2019, 02:31:59 PM

People who you add to your list are DT1 for you. The people that they have added to their lists are DT2 for you. Feedbacks from both layers are visible by default.

Ahhh make sense. I will need to review the outcome again. Thanks

Update:

Quote from: ibminer on January 09, 2019, 02:33:49 PM

Quote from: Lauda on January 09, 2019, 02:21:40 PM

Full working link for anyone that needs it (thanks ib): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt.

I believe the hierarchical view would be: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full;dt

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Full working link for anyone that needs it (thanks ib): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt

I confirm this.

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I believe the hierarchical view would be: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full;dt

don't know about this coz I actually don't understand the Hierarchical view LOL

Anduck

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Quote from: Vod on January 09, 2019, 02:48:08 PM

Anduck has been complaining for months how one negative trust can ruin a rating.

Now he is doing it to me.

I don't see him jumping to remove it. Anyone believe he is not a hypocrite?

Tongue

You've ignored my PM. I am a reasonable man, we can discuss, but not when you have me ignored.

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Quote from: Vod on January 09, 2019, 02:48:08 PM

Anduck has been complaining for months how one negative trust can ruin a rating.

Now he is doing it to me.

I don't see him jumping to remove it. Anyone believe he is not a hypocrite?

Tongue

It's simple.

Quote from: theymos on January 09, 2019, 01:03:26 PM

All that being said, I still discourage retaliatory ratings, and with these changes I encourage people to try to "bury the hatchet" and de-escalate rather than trying to use any increased retaliatory power you now have. Also, it's best to make your own custom list, and you must do this if you want to be on DT1.

You both remove the ratings. There are bigger problems to focus on. Grin

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Meh.

Although I'm still a bit confused on how this new system will work I'm happy to see some changes, thank you theymos!

The old DT system was surely outdated and I know see some people that are good to have in there and It'll be interesting to see how all of this plays out. Hopefully we can move on from a lot of the past drama and start anew

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Anduck has been complaining for months how one negative trust can ruin a rating.

Now he is doing it to me.

I don't see him jumping to remove it. Anyone believe he is not a hypocrite?

Tongue

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Quote from: Anduck on January 09, 2019, 02:43:11 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on January 09, 2019, 02:36:06 PM

I don't really get why someone would add a Jr. Member after buying an item.

There are a bunch of collectibles manufacturers who are trusted regardless of what their rank is in here. (Smartpaymint isn't one of them, though...)

Collectibles if often like a complety disclocated set of the forum. Rank doesn't usually mean much there.

Quote from: mikeywith on January 09, 2019, 02:43:45 PM

I hope that current DT members look into these feedbacks and fix them, either by countering them or by asking the DT member who gave the negative trust to remove it "if it's a false accusation with no solid proof"or by untrusting / tagging him as a last resort.

Alrleady working on it, and already receiving threats. Undecided

As long as the participants are open minded, it should work out okay.

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Quote from: exstasie on January 09, 2019, 02:27:11 PM

Sweet, there goes my account.

All it takes is some unhinged ramblings from Timelord2067. Wink

I can see the intent behind this, but I'm definitely feeling screwed over by bullshit feedback.

I hope that current DT members look into these feedbacks and fix them, either by countering them or by asking the DT member who gave the negative trust to remove it "if it's a false accusation with no solid proof"or by untrusting / tagging him as a last resort.

i don't see that happening too fast and easy, but the current system kind of allow current DT members to tweak the list , i hope it gets used for a good purpose to defend the innocent and punish the guilty.

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Quote from: LoyceV on January 09, 2019, 02:36:06 PM

I don't really get why someone would add a Jr. Member after buying an item.

There are a bunch of collectibles manufacturers who are trusted regardless of what their rank is in here. (Smartpaymint isn't one of them, though...)

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Quote from: Lauda on January 09, 2019, 02:31:59 PM

Quote from: mdayonliner on January 09, 2019, 02:29:09 PM

2nd Case: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=234771 (My own view) - MikeMike, Timelord2067, Vod, cryptodevil, philipma1957, peonminer, CanaryInTheMine feedback as trusted.

In the 2nd case I see MikeMike and peonminer are added member whos feedbacks are showing Trusted feedback from me. Thing is, I never added these two in my trust list (No disrespect guys, I don't know you two.). So, I am a bit confuse how these two are trusted for me?

People who you add to your list are DT1 for you. The people that they have added to their lists are DT2 for you. Feedbacks from both layers are visible by default.

CanaryInTheMine includes MikeMike. Not sure about peonminer.

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Quote from: Lauda on January 09, 2019, 02:02:43 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on January 09, 2019, 02:01:13 PM

Quote from: LoyceMobile on January 09, 2019, 01:52:29 PM

my main account is off DT2

I'll take 10% of the blame for that - I had you in my list but recently I replaced my custom list with the default for debugging purposes... so that screwed up my own eligibility and possibly some others. Will have to wait for the next month. And I'm hoping many other users will treat this change as a kick in the butt to go and set up their custom lists.

Added him back too.

Thanks! That was the shortest jail break ever Cheesy

I already found the first user who left fresh retaliation feedback today: SmartPayMINT.
All of a sudden 5 users who left him negative trust were put on DT, but one user who left him positive trust also added him to his trust network. I don't really get why someone would add a Jr. Member after buying an item.
I guess we'll now have to start excluding users when we leave them red trust. In this case:

Code:

~SmartPayMINT

That instantly took away the negative trust for owlcatz, Lesbian Cow and yog. With some fine tuning, this system can work Cheesy

ibminer

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Quote from: Lauda on January 09, 2019, 02:21:40 PM

Full working link for anyone that needs it (thanks ib): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt.

I believe the hierarchical view would be: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full;dt

suchmoon

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Quote from: TMAN on January 09, 2019, 02:14:15 PM

Who wants a fucking tag now? come on someone moan about my fucking language!

Please watch your language. Sir.

Quote from: ibminer on January 09, 2019, 02:18:36 PM

It's sad to think about all of the shady people who will be making the DT1/2 list in the near future. The only people beginning to follow the criteria in the OP are going to be people who have a motive for wanting to get on DT1, and only a small amount of those motives will be for good purposes. This will be manipulated more than the prior system IMO, just needs some time...

We might have a problem if such abuse doesn't show up until the list is re-created and then we need to wait for a month until it can be fixed with inclusions or de-inclusions. But exclusions seem to be real-time so that should work reasonably well now that DT1 exclusions are possible. 51% is my main concern so far. Merit requirements could be higher too.

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Quote from: mdayonliner on January 09, 2019, 02:29:09 PM

2nd Case: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=234771 (My own view) - MikeMike, Timelord2067, Vod, cryptodevil, philipma1957, peonminer, CanaryInTheMine feedback as trusted.

In the 2nd case I see MikeMike and peonminer are added member whos feedbacks are showing Trusted feedback from me. Thing is, I never added these two in my trust list (No disrespect guys, I don't know you two.). So, I am a bit confuse how these two are trusted for me?

People who you add to your list are DT1 for you. The people that they have added to their lists are DT2 for you. Feedbacks from both layers are visible by default.

mdayonliner

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First: Thank you very much. Although I am trying to understand the entire algorithm but I hope it's better version than the previous one.

Second: This is very helpful. I just created my custom trust list. Putting ;dt helped a lot to see the Default Trust rating.

Quote from: theymos on January 09, 2019, 01:03:26 PM

#2
You can view any page as if you were using the default trust settings by putting ;dt at the end of the URL. Eg. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35;dt

Question: I am not getting something here (not sure if I disclose my trust list anyway). For this example I am considering suchmoon's trust page.

1st case: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=234771;dt shows trusts from - Timelord2067, Vod, cryptodevil, philipma1957, CanaryInTheMine feedback as trusted. This is Defult trust anyway. For everyone it's same

2nd Case: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=234771 (My own view) - MikeMike, Timelord2067, Vod, cryptodevil, philipma1957, peonminer, CanaryInTheMine feedback as trusted.

In the 2nd case I see MikeMike and peonminer are added member whos feedbacks are showing Trusted feedback from me. Thing is, I never added these two in my trust list (No disrespect guys, I don't know you two.). So, I am a bit confuse how these two are trusted for me?

Third: I am trying to understand the rest. So far it seems that the trust list is more dynamic now.

Well-done theymos.

exstasie

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Sweet, there goes my account.

Quote from: mikeywith on January 09, 2019, 01:50:03 PM

i would still suggest a set of rules regarding the use of the trust system, specially the negative trust, some people are tagged for silly reasons or without a reference, with the new update of the DT list it's even more important now to agree on some rules that will some how regulate the trust system so people don't get tagged for using the word "lemon".

I know this could be hard to implement, but i think it's essential, for those who trade on the forum with an account that took years to build, getting a negative trust for saying something a DT member does not like is differently unfair.

All it takes is some unhinged ramblings from Timelord2067. Wink

I can see the intent behind this, but I'm definitely feeling screwed over by bullshit feedback.

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100 earned Merit is kind of low?

Edit - After reading through the OP carefully it doesn’t seem overly difficult to get into DT1?
It’s certainly a lot more achievable than before?

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Quote from: suchmoon on January 09, 2019, 02:01:13 PM

And I'm hoping many other users will treat this change as a kick in the butt to go and set up their custom lists.

Most users aren’t going to bother because if they’re at 0 trust it’s never going to interest or affect them. I’ve been on here since 2014 & literally about 3 people have put me on their list. Noobs are probably never going to bother because it’s never, ever going to benefit them.

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Quote from: ibminer on January 09, 2019, 02:18:36 PM

Quote from: Lauda on January 09, 2019, 02:11:47 PM

That's the hierarachial list based on MY trust list, not an overview of current DT1/DT2!

Good point... have you tried the ;dt at the end?

Full working link for anyone that needs it (thanks ib): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt.

Quote from: ibminer on January 09, 2019, 02:18:36 PM

It's sad to think about all of the shady people who will be making the DT1/2 list in the near future. The only people beginning to follow the criteria in the OP are going to be people who have a motive for wanting to get on DT1, and only a small amount of those motives will be for good purposes. This will be manipulated more than the prior system IMO, just needs some time...

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on January 09, 2019, 01:57:18 PM

Quote from: theymos on January 09, 2019, 01:03:26 PM

<…> - You must have at least 1 person directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 100.<…>

Since the above is a key factor, I’ve drawn up a list of the current standing 478 forum members that meet the >= 100 earned merit criteria (see https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wQdLJJLCbTBDMEdSOvOmLnpOIgGLwHTXJZX6BUWyVyY/edit?usp=sharing).

Could be prevented before it happens time, but this is a lot of names to go through.

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Quote from: Lauda on January 09, 2019, 02:11:47 PM

That's the hierarachial list based on MY trust list, not an overview of current DT1/DT2!

Good point... have you tried the ;dt at the end?

Quote from: Lauda on January 09, 2019, 02:11:47 PM

How the hell did you pull out a post from 2015 so quickly?

Google, of course.

It's sad to think about all of the shady people who will be making the DT1/2 list in the near future. The only people beginning to follow the criteria in the OP are going to be people who have a motive for wanting to get on DT1, and only a small amount of those motives will be for good purposes. This will be manipulated more than the prior system IMO, just needs some time...

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Quote from: suchmoon on January 09, 2019, 02:08:16 PM

I would probably avoid posting counter trust for now and suggest to wait for next month.

Eh, yeah. I just got a PM asking me to counter a neg, which I refused to do for now. I'm not a big fan of that tactic anyway.

Edit:

Quote from: Rambotnic on January 09, 2019, 02:13:14 PM

OK, since you're here: I removed my neg on you because as I told you in my PM:

Quote from: The Pharmacist on January 08, 2019, 02:46:43 AM

I don't happen to think you're a bad guy, or even the typical person who plagiarizes content. I do think your posts are of very low quality, though. However after thinking about it, I'm going to remove my feedback on you. Not only do none of the other DT members seem to agree with me about what you did (or staff for that matter, since you weren't banned), you also got a counter-positive from DarkStar_.

Hopefully you've learned how to cite other people's work properly, so don't make the same mistake twice. Thank you for reporting the account sellers to me, and I hope you'll continue to bring them to my attention even after I've removed the neg. No hard feelings.

So for anyone wondering why I de-negged Rambotnic, that's the reason.

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