Topic: DefaultTrust changes - page 144. (Read 85461 times)

Looks like DT2 has become much longer than before.

Some fresh new faces are in DT1, if I'm looking at this right (with the ;dt parameter)




Looks like DT1.

Lately a lot of new improvements are coming out. Copper member, merit, CAPTCHA bypass, hacked account recovery and now this. Is there any BIG change in the horizon?

And maybe including this one

But I'm not sure if he/she will be placed in DT1 or DT2 or so.

Uh-oh. So if I send 10 merits to 10 people trusting me then I'm in DT1? That doesn't sound right. Perhaps merits sent by the candidate should be excluded from the calculation. Just to prevent the most egregious abuse (or being accused of abuse when none was intended).

Thanks for dedicating a lot of time to the forum system updates lately, Hopefully the new trust system would work better.
I however have a question, what would happen the current existing justified ratings ? will they still stand or some of those rating will no longer be valid ?

Oh boy. This should keep things interesting again for a while, stir up the pot..


I imagine this "directly trusting" means they have added you to their custom trusted feedback list as opposed to just having left a positive feedback?


I could see not very members having 10 or more people with >10 merit and 1>100 merit having added them to their trust list. Even current DT..
But current DT1 members are still in even if they don't have these requirements right?

In any case I should take my time to add users to my custom trust list that I would like to see on DT1, or stay there..



I'm not seeing any difference in my trust score or noticing differences in others trust scores..
Lauda's feedback is still showing in untrusted for me and I don't have them excluded..

OK now they have changed.. OgNasty is out wow..
Big changes..

I just noticed this when I refresh my profile and want to make a new thread about this in reputation but when I refresh the meta board I saw this.

Many previous DT was removed as well as added.

And lauda is back and those members got tainted (spammers and scammers) with her will be in march of protests shortly.

For years I've been unhappy with how DefaultTrust ended up as a centralized and largely-untouchable authority, but I was reluctant to change it because the alternatives seemed too messy. However, I've finally decided to try some changes, and we'll see how it works.

#1
As a special exception to the normal algorithm for determining a user's trust network, if you are on the default trust list ("DT1") but more other DT1 members distrust you than explicitly trust you, then it is as if you are distrusted by the default trust list for all purposes except for this very DT1-composition determination.

So if someone on DT1 is doing something stupid, you can ask other DT1 members to distrust them.

See here for live info on this "DT voting".

#2
You can view any page as if you were using the default trust settings by putting ;dt at the end of the URL. Eg. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35;dt

#3
I will periodically (maybe every month) be reconstructing the default trust list to include everyone who matches these criteria:
 - If rank was determined solely using earned merit, then you must be of at least Member rank.
 - You must have been online sometime within the last 3 days.
 - Your trust list must include at least 10 users, not including ~distrust entries.
 - You must not be banned or manually blacklisted from selection.
 - You must have posted sometime within the last 30 days.
 - You must have at least 10 people directly trusting you each with an earned merit of at least 10, not including merit you yourself sent. These "votes" are limited.
 - You must have at least 2 people directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 250, not including merit you yourself sent. These "votes" are limited.

Unlike the previous policy, I will not generally be trying to cultivate a good list; that will be left to the DT1 members themselves. However, I reserve the right to remove you and blacklist you from future selection if you engage in egregious and obvious abuse, or if multiple known alt accounts could be selected.

Currently not that many users are eligible. If hundreds of users would be selected in the future, I plan to instead choose a random subset of about 100 eligible users each time. This DT1 reconstruction may even automatically happen on a schedule in the future, but it doesn't currently.

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A major goal of this is to allow retaliatory distrusts and ratings to actually have some chance of mattering so that contentious ratings have an actual cost. If someone is obviously scamming, then any retaliatory rating should not last long due to the DT1 "voting", but if you negative-rate someone for generally disliking them, then their retaliation against you may stick. In borderline cases, it should result in something of a political battle.

This is inspired partly by something that David Friedman said once (though I can't find the quote), that one of the requirements for a peaceful society is the credible threat of retaliation in case you are harmed. As DT was organized previously, one or both sides of a dispute was usually unable to effectively retaliate to a rating, at least via the trust system itself. Now your ability to effectively retaliate will tend to increase as you become more established in the community, which should discourage abuse generally. (Or that's the idea, at least.)

All that being said, I still discourage retaliatory ratings, and with these changes I encourage people to try to "bury the hatchet" and de-escalate rather than trying to use any increased retaliatory power you now have. Also, it's best to make your own custom list, and you must do this if you want to be on DT1.

I am never completely tied to anything, but let's try this for at least a few months and see how it works.