Who wants a fucking tag now? come on someone moan about my fucking language!
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I haven't had as much time for this place recently due to RL workloads, but I am happy to see that Theymos is dropping some innovation on DT.. lets see how long till it kicks off though
Topic: DefaultTrust changes - page 143. (Read 85461 times)
Its interesting how the biggest abuser of trust Lauda have some kind of "powers" in his/her hands.
Her/his statements is 90% non sense based and even after situation like i was were cleared and the person who firstly tagged me removed the negative feedback, i am pretty sure a person like Lauda will never re-consider his decision no matter it was already handled with a positive way.
That's not a place for me to explain what was the case and stuff like that anyway.
Yes Lauda,TMAN and owlcatz may bring good content to the forum, they may be valuable members of it, but the abuse and the damage of the trust system from their side should not be acceptable.
Especially abusing the trust system with already resolved issues ( talking about mine) both from Lauda and owlcatz.
Her/his statements is 90% non sense based and even after situation like i was were cleared and the person who firstly tagged me removed the negative feedback, i am pretty sure a person like Lauda will never re-consider his decision no matter it was already handled with a positive way.
That's not a place for me to explain what was the case and stuff like that anyway.
Yes Lauda,TMAN and owlcatz may bring good content to the forum, they may be valuable members of it, but the abuse and the damage of the trust system from their side should not be acceptable.
Especially abusing the trust system with already resolved issues ( talking about mine) both from Lauda and owlcatz.
I don't think you get booted off unless one of the criteria no longer applies. I could be wrong! I'm guessing the fastest way of getting kicked out will be exclusions by other DT1 members.
That's my interpretation too. But exclusion wasn't even possible previously (for DT1 members) so that's gonna be interesting. Technically a gang may form in DT1 that would exclude everyone else (sort of a 51% attack) but perhaps it can be countered by more inclusions.1) Manual intervention by theymos.
2) Wider DT1 making 51% infeasible. Plenty of us, which trust most of each other's ratings, disagree on several issues (e.g. what kind of ratings should be sent to merit abusers and which type of abuse).
How the hell do you not know there is a hierarchical list??
That's the hierarachial list based on MY trust list, not an overview of current DT1/DT2!How the hell did you pull out a post from 2015 so quickly?
Note/Request: Theymos it might be worth to have a link where you can view current DT list (hierarchical) if it doesn't exist already.
How the hell do you not know there is a hierarchical list??
This is really simple:
Step 1) Go to the trust settings
Step 2) Scroll down and click Hierarchical view
Step 3) Ctrl+F and enter your username (Neotox in this case)
Make sure to enter depth 4 else you probably aren't going to see your name often (if at all). Also it is worth nothing that what you see might change according to your own list.
Beyond this point is pretty pointless though, the question is why? Ask dogie for help.
Step 1) Go to the trust settings
Step 2) Scroll down and click Hierarchical view
Step 3) Ctrl+F and enter your username (Neotox in this case)
Make sure to enter depth 4 else you probably aren't going to see your name often (if at all). Also it is worth nothing that what you see might change according to your own list.
Beyond this point is pretty pointless though, the question is why? Ask dogie for help.
I don't think you get booted off unless one of the criteria no longer applies. I could be wrong! I'm guessing the fastest way of getting kicked out will be exclusions by other DT1 members.
That's my interpretation too. But exclusion wasn't even possible previously (for DT1 members) so that's gonna be interesting. Technically a gang may form in DT1 that would exclude everyone else (sort of a 51% attack) but perhaps it can be countered by more inclusions.
it will be a lot of work of removing counter trust.
I would probably avoid posting counter trust for now and suggest to wait for next month.
So what happens next month? My tiny little pea brain isn't comprehending how this works, the rotating default trust thing.
It will depend on how actively people use custom trust lists. I think the next month's DT1 will look different, likely larger. There's probably going to be some inclusion-begging LOL
And lauda is back and those members got tainted (spammers and scammers) with her will be in march of protests shortly.
Yeah, that's a good thing. This is quite surprising to me, and I'm expecting a lot of chaos. I already got a PM from someone about Timelord2067 being on DT2.So what happens next month? My tiny little pea brain isn't comprehending how this works, the rotating default trust thing.
i am willing to bet the horse that a mess of "complains" on Meta and Reputation is coming up real soon.
If I had a horse farm, I'd bet 'em all that you're right. 
This change may affect how those negatives are viewed and countered. I'm guessing that more passive-aggressive countering (via exclusions) will be possible so anyone with a lemon fetish will probably not last long.
could be even worse now, what if someone had a counter feedback and then the DT who gave him the negative trust is no longer a DT " next month" that person will be left with only positive DT trust, same goes the other way around.
it will be a lot of work of removing counter trust.
i am willing to bet the horse that a mess of "complains" on Meta and Reputation is coming up real soon.
my main account is off DT2
I'll take 10% of the blame for that - I had you in my list but recently I replaced my custom list with the default for debugging purposes... so that screwed up my own eligibility and possibly some others. Will have to wait for the next month. And I'm hoping many other users will treat this change as a kick in the butt to go and set up their custom lists.Note/Request: Theymos it might be worth to have a link where you can view current DT list (hierarchical) if it doesn't exist already.
Interesting. This will bring in a hell lot of change in the forum dynamics.
my main account is off DT2
I'll take 10% of the blame for that - I had you in my list but recently I replaced it with the default for debugging purposes... so that screwed up my own eligibility and possibly some others. Will have to wait for the next month. And I'm hoping many other users will treat this change as a kick in the butt to go and set up their custom lists.
<…> - You must have at least 1 person directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 100.<…>
Since the above is a key factor, I’ve drawn up a list of the current standing 478 forum members that meet the >= 100 earned merit criteria (see https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wQdLJJLCbTBDMEdSOvOmLnpOIgGLwHTXJZX6BUWyVyY/edit?usp=sharing).Edit 1: Added to the list the 6.769 forum members with >= 10 earned merits.
Edit 2: I don’t know how natural the whole process is meant to be, or if people may require the aid of a list such as the above to start building their trust list. If a list of a kind is helpful and does not defeat the purpose, then perhaps they could both be added (>=10; >=100 earned merits) as official forum stats, along with the rest of the merit stats.
Interesting changes, my main account is off DT2, my trust rating went up, and amazingly Laura went from being excluded on DT2 to being DT1!
Well if you consider that I am only rightfully excluded by one person, i.e. OgNasty then it does make sense. TC is inactive, HostFat's exclusions is political retaliation due to the bcash scam.So, someone Red on one month, can become Green on the very next month?
Doubtful. The DT1 list won't completely change from what I understood:I will periodically (maybe every month) be reconstructing the default trust list to include everyone who matches these criteria:
Unless you lose some of the criteria, you will stay.I'm guessing this could be the result of you being excluded earlier, which may have caused more people to add you to their custom lists in order to see your red tags.
Possibly, yeah. This would explain why some random abuser asked me about red trust in the past hour.For example, Lauda wasn't even on DT2 until those changes came into effect. With her/his inclusion into the DT1 list, tons of users are now red. If she/he gets out of DT1/DT2 next month, those users will go back to normal.
I don't think you get booted off unless one of the criteria no longer applies. I could be wrong! I'm guessing the fastest way of getting kicked out will be exclusions by other DT1 members. 
So, someone Red on one month, can become Green on the very next month?
Possibly.For example, Lauda wasn't even on DT2 until those changes came into effect. With her/his inclusion into the DT1 list, tons of users are now red. If she/he gets out of DT1/DT2 next month, those users will go back to normal.
While it isn't what I had envisioned, the change is welcome. I certainly didn't expect to find myself in DT1 with this change. 
I'm guessing this could be the result of you being excluded earlier, which may have caused more people to add you to their custom lists in order to see your red tags.
i would still suggest a set of rules regarding the use of the trust system, specially the negative trust, some people are tagged for silly reasons or without a reference, with the new update of the DT list it's even more important now to agree on some rules that will some how regulate the trust system so people don't get tagged for using the word "lemon".
I know this could be hard to implement, but i think it's essential, for those who trade on the forum with an account that took years to build, getting a negative trust for saying something a DT member does not like is differently unfair.
again i can't forget to thank you for the all the efforts. Thanks for trying to improve the forum continuously.
I know this could be hard to implement, but i think it's essential, for those who trade on the forum with an account that took years to build, getting a negative trust for saying something a DT member does not like is differently unfair.
again i can't forget to thank you for the all the efforts. Thanks for trying to improve the forum continuously.
This change may affect how those negatives are viewed and countered. I think that more passive-aggressive countering (via exclusions) will be possible so anyone with a lemon fetish will probably not last long.
If I have understood the new changes correctly, the people on DT1 & DT2 will rotate every month. Am I wrong?
That's right. DT1 will be constantly changing, thus, DT2 will change as well.
Interesting changes, my main account is off DT2, my trust rating went up, and amazingly Lauda went from being excluded on DT2 to being DT1!
I'll have to start thinking about who to include now, this really forces people to stop using only the default list.
Question about #3: say someone is included by 12 but excluded by 5: is he eligible?
I'll have to start thinking about who to include now, this really forces people to stop using only the default list.
Question about #3: say someone is included by 12 but excluded by 5: is he eligible?
If I have understood the new changes correctly, the people on DT1 & DT2 will rotate every month. Am I wrong?
That's right. DT1 will be constantly changing, thus, DT2 will change as well.
i would still suggest a set of rules regarding the use of the trust system, specially the negative trust, some people are tagged for silly reasons or without a reference, with the new update of the DT list it's even more important now to agree on some rules that will some how regulate the trust system so people don't get tagged for using the word "lemon".
I know this could be hard to implement, but i think it's essential, for those who trade on the forum with an account that took years to build, getting a negative trust for saying something a DT member does not like is differently unfair.
again i can't forget to thank you for the all the efforts. Thanks for trying to improve the forum continuously.
I know this could be hard to implement, but i think it's essential, for those who trade on the forum with an account that took years to build, getting a negative trust for saying something a DT member does not like is differently unfair.
again i can't forget to thank you for the all the efforts. Thanks for trying to improve the forum continuously.
If I have understood the new changes correctly, the people on DT1 & DT2 will rotate every month. Am I wrong?
While it isn't what I had envisioned, the change is welcome. I certainly didn't expect to find myself in DT1 with this change.
Note/Request: Theymos it might be worth to have a link where you can view current DT list (hierarchical) if it doesn't exist already.
Loyce, time for fresh data dumps!
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