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Quote from: TMAN on January 09, 2019, 02:57:54 PM

@vod @anduck - please touch each others helmets and move on

For what it's worth, I agree with you on that one. The self-bidding thing was wrong, but as Lauda pointed out it was a long time ago, and even though Anduck is still justifying it I don't think he'll do it again.

But not this one:

Quote from: TMAN on January 09, 2019, 02:57:54 PM

penis measuring contests - we all know that Thepharmacist will win anyway

Flaccid, it could be mistaken for a bellybutton.

I don't think I have to do much adjusting to the trust I've left, since I was already on DT2 anyway and I don't make it a common practice to leave feedback without either a reference link or an explanation, and I don't think I've left retaliatory feedback. I'll take a look at the trust I've given out, but man...it's quite a lot.

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Quote from: Vod on January 09, 2019, 02:55:42 PM

That would make the rest of my trust ratings questionable.

It would certainly not, no.

Quote from: Vod on January 09, 2019, 02:55:42 PM

He scammed and I mark scammers. I guess now scammers can mark me.

I'm certain that a lot of different people see his actions and the dispute very differently. There have been too many posts about it to begin with. Either way, he won't do it again (I hope). Either way, it's been a very long time now.

Quote from: TMAN on January 09, 2019, 02:57:54 PM

@vod @anduck - please touch each others helmets and move on - big change here, lets not have trusted members get into penis measuring contests - we all know that Thepharmacist will win anyway

Would be nice. This dispute is very difficult for anyone who trusts both of them for very different reasons.

Quote from: theymos on January 09, 2019, 01:03:26 PM

All that being said, I still discourage retaliatory ratings, and with these changes I encourage people to try to "bury the hatchet" and de-escalate rather than trying to use any increased retaliatory power you now have.

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Quote from: Vod on January 09, 2019, 02:55:42 PM

Quote from: Lauda on January 09, 2019, 02:50:01 PM

You both remove the ratings. There are bigger problems to focus on. Grin

That would make the rest of my trust ratings questionable.

He scammed and I mark scammers. I guess now scammers can mark me.

My reformed list seems good. You're -1/+27 to me.
I added too many of Jet Cash's alts though and I think that scews it a bit. Ah well, I can change it as and where necessary.

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I will go through all my trust ratings when I get time, I do realise the impact they have on people - anyone with a tag from me without a reference or wanting to bitch please chill out and give me a week

@vod @anduck - please touch each others helmets and move on - big change here, lets not have trusted members get into penis measuring contests - we all know that Thepharmacist will win anyway

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Quote from: theymos on January 09, 2019, 01:03:26 PM

For years I've been unhappy with how DefaultTrust ended up as a centralized and largely-untouchable authority, but I was reluctant to change it because the alternatives seemed too messy. However, I've finally decided to try some changes, and we'll see how it works.

I have also been unhappy with your useless badly designed Default trust system.
However recently it actually worked and banned your worst offender/abuser of it.

Your recent changes have returned that individual to a point where she is again able to continue her harassment of people ,
that only crime is they have a difference of opinion and won't buckle to her extortion of them.

Since your changes have once again turned her loose on the community,
it only infers that you personally support her actions, as it was a major undertaking to exclude the bitch from DT.

Your changes are bad , your default trust system is utterly useless.
Want to really improve it, then scrap the whole damn thing.

Continuance of DT , shows the truth behind your character by the villains/criminals that you support with it.

Cool

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Quote from: Lauda on January 09, 2019, 02:50:01 PM

You both remove the ratings. There are bigger problems to focus on. Grin

That would make the rest of my trust ratings questionable.

He scammed and I mark scammers. I guess now scammers can mark me.

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Quote from: LeGaulois on January 09, 2019, 02:53:50 PM

If I understand correctly the default trust list is useless now since it will change periodically?

No; it's just much more dynamic (and going to get much more bigger/wider).

Quote from: jackg on January 09, 2019, 02:54:06 PM

@theymos, can that default trust extension stay up indefinitely, it means I can remove default trust from my trust list if so?

You can make any changes to your own view as always.

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@theymos, can that default trust extension stay up indefinitely, it means I can remove default trust from my trust list if so?

I'm not sure I agree with the force adding of 10 people. At a push I have probably 5 I'd definitely trust, just my 2 cents though I'm not fussed about being added I'm sure my reputation speaks for itself anyway Grin

and anyone who makes a reputation argument without a reference (under most circumstances) should be distrusted anyway.

@le, that's how I take it. Or it will at least be diluted.

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If I understand correctly the default trust list is useless now since it will change periodically?

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Quote from: Lauda on January 09, 2019, 02:31:59 PM

People who you add to your list are DT1 for you. The people that they have added to their lists are DT2 for you. Feedbacks from both layers are visible by default.

Ahhh make sense. I will need to review the outcome again. Thanks

Update:

Quote from: ibminer on January 09, 2019, 02:33:49 PM

Quote from: Lauda on January 09, 2019, 02:21:40 PM

Full working link for anyone that needs it (thanks ib): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt.

I believe the hierarchical view would be: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full;dt

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Full working link for anyone that needs it (thanks ib): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt

I confirm this.

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I believe the hierarchical view would be: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full;dt

don't know about this coz I actually don't understand the Hierarchical view LOL

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Quote from: Vod on January 09, 2019, 02:48:08 PM

Anduck has been complaining for months how one negative trust can ruin a rating.

Now he is doing it to me.

I don't see him jumping to remove it. Anyone believe he is not a hypocrite?

Tongue

You've ignored my PM. I am a reasonable man, we can discuss, but not when you have me ignored.

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Quote from: Vod on January 09, 2019, 02:48:08 PM

Anduck has been complaining for months how one negative trust can ruin a rating.

Now he is doing it to me.

I don't see him jumping to remove it. Anyone believe he is not a hypocrite?

Tongue

It's simple.

Quote from: theymos on January 09, 2019, 01:03:26 PM

All that being said, I still discourage retaliatory ratings, and with these changes I encourage people to try to "bury the hatchet" and de-escalate rather than trying to use any increased retaliatory power you now have. Also, it's best to make your own custom list, and you must do this if you want to be on DT1.

You both remove the ratings. There are bigger problems to focus on. Grin

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Meh.

Although I'm still a bit confused on how this new system will work I'm happy to see some changes, thank you theymos!

The old DT system was surely outdated and I know see some people that are good to have in there and It'll be interesting to see how all of this plays out. Hopefully we can move on from a lot of the past drama and start anew

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Anduck has been complaining for months how one negative trust can ruin a rating.

Now he is doing it to me.

I don't see him jumping to remove it. Anyone believe he is not a hypocrite?

Tongue

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Quote from: Anduck on January 09, 2019, 02:43:11 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on January 09, 2019, 02:36:06 PM

I don't really get why someone would add a Jr. Member after buying an item.

There are a bunch of collectibles manufacturers who are trusted regardless of what their rank is in here. (Smartpaymint isn't one of them, though...)

Collectibles if often like a complety disclocated set of the forum. Rank doesn't usually mean much there.

Quote from: mikeywith on January 09, 2019, 02:43:45 PM

I hope that current DT members look into these feedbacks and fix them, either by countering them or by asking the DT member who gave the negative trust to remove it "if it's a false accusation with no solid proof"or by untrusting / tagging him as a last resort.

Alrleady working on it, and already receiving threats. Undecided

As long as the participants are open minded, it should work out okay.

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Quote from: exstasie on January 09, 2019, 02:27:11 PM

Sweet, there goes my account.

All it takes is some unhinged ramblings from Timelord2067. Wink

I can see the intent behind this, but I'm definitely feeling screwed over by bullshit feedback.

I hope that current DT members look into these feedbacks and fix them, either by countering them or by asking the DT member who gave the negative trust to remove it "if it's a false accusation with no solid proof"or by untrusting / tagging him as a last resort.

i don't see that happening too fast and easy, but the current system kind of allow current DT members to tweak the list , i hope it gets used for a good purpose to defend the innocent and punish the guilty.

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Quote from: LoyceV on January 09, 2019, 02:36:06 PM

I don't really get why someone would add a Jr. Member after buying an item.

There are a bunch of collectibles manufacturers who are trusted regardless of what their rank is in here. (Smartpaymint isn't one of them, though...)

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Quote from: Lauda on January 09, 2019, 02:31:59 PM

Quote from: mdayonliner on January 09, 2019, 02:29:09 PM

2nd Case: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=234771 (My own view) - MikeMike, Timelord2067, Vod, cryptodevil, philipma1957, peonminer, CanaryInTheMine feedback as trusted.

In the 2nd case I see MikeMike and peonminer are added member whos feedbacks are showing Trusted feedback from me. Thing is, I never added these two in my trust list (No disrespect guys, I don't know you two.). So, I am a bit confuse how these two are trusted for me?

People who you add to your list are DT1 for you. The people that they have added to their lists are DT2 for you. Feedbacks from both layers are visible by default.

CanaryInTheMine includes MikeMike. Not sure about peonminer.

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Quote from: Lauda on January 09, 2019, 02:02:43 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on January 09, 2019, 02:01:13 PM

Quote from: LoyceMobile on January 09, 2019, 01:52:29 PM

my main account is off DT2

I'll take 10% of the blame for that - I had you in my list but recently I replaced my custom list with the default for debugging purposes... so that screwed up my own eligibility and possibly some others. Will have to wait for the next month. And I'm hoping many other users will treat this change as a kick in the butt to go and set up their custom lists.

Added him back too.

Thanks! That was the shortest jail break ever Cheesy

I already found the first user who left fresh retaliation feedback today: SmartPayMINT.
All of a sudden 5 users who left him negative trust were put on DT, but one user who left him positive trust also added him to his trust network. I don't really get why someone would add a Jr. Member after buying an item.
I guess we'll now have to start excluding users when we leave them red trust. In this case:

Code:

~SmartPayMINT

That instantly took away the negative trust for owlcatz, Lesbian Cow and yog. With some fine tuning, this system can work Cheesy

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Quote from: Lauda on January 09, 2019, 02:21:40 PM

Full working link for anyone that needs it (thanks ib): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt.

I believe the hierarchical view would be: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full;dt

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