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legendary
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November 17, 2020, 09:05:47 AM
 
 As I said before. I'm not interested in this topic. Who can add me wherever they want TrustList or Distrust. This doesn't really concern me.
I don't want to be in this chaos.  The topic discussed here is of no use to me. I'm not interested in the upsides and downsides of this issue to me.
legendary
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Merit: 2272
November 17, 2020, 05:36:29 AM
Lies. You ~'ed me loooong ago. I sent you a PM since I had no idea who you are (and still don't, or care), yet you never even replied. Roll Eyes
Actually, if I am looking at this correctly, you excluded ekiller first (https://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-15_Sat_13.30h/667791.html) and ~2 weeks later they excluded you (https://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-29_Sat_06.02h/667791.html).

The rest of the "gang":
So.. Members in my Distrust list. They are on this list because they added me to their Distrust for no any reason.
ekiller excluded hhampuz and Blacknavy (https://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-29_Sat_06.02h/667791.html)
Foxpup and Blacknavy excluded ekiller (https://loyce.club/trust/2019-07-06_Sat_10.00h/667791.html)
ekiller excluded Foxpup and Last of the V8s (https://loyce.club/trust/2019-07-13_Sat_08.22h/667791.html)
owlcatz removed exclusion (https://loyce.club/trust/2019-08-03_Sat_08.36h/667791.html)
suchmoon excluded ekiller, blacknavy removed exclusion (https://loyce.club/trust/2019-08-10_Sat_06.04h/667791.html)
ekiller excluded suchmoon (https://loyce.club/trust/2019-08-17_Sat_05.04h/667791.html)
nutildah, o_e_l_e_o and DireWolf14 excluded ekiller (https://loyce.club/trust/2019-08-24_Sat_08.13h/667791.html)
ekiller excluded nutildah, o_e_l_e_o and DireWolf14 (https://loyce.club/trust/2019-08-31_Sat_06.04h/667791.html)
ekiller excluded timelord (https://loyce.club/trust/2019-09-07_Sat_06.07h/667791.html)
timelord exluded ekiller (https://loyce.club/trust/2019-09-14_Sat_06.11h/667791.html)
JollyGood excluded ekiller (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-01-25_Sat_05.12h/667791.html)
ekiller excluded JollyGood, mindrust excluded ekiller (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-02-01_Sat_05.15h/667791.html)
ekiller excluded mindrust (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-02-08_Sat_07.44h/667791.html)...

Just wow.

@ekiller, have you ever thought that users are maybe excluding and mentioning you because of trust list full of sockpuppets and shady accounts?
legendary
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November 17, 2020, 04:00:05 AM
After reading the recent posts here I decided to add him to my distrust list even though he was already on ignore but I tried to add him he was already there on my distrust list. I must have added him a very long time ago and even though I tried I could not recall what the specific reasons were but I am glad I did it.

If they did something wrong, I shouldn't suffer this. If they are bad members, the forum system should delete them.

Interesting, and quite laughable actually ... Roll Eyes


 So.. Members in my Distrust list. They are on this list because they added me to their Distrust for no any reason. Or maybe they have a reason for them. But I have never heard of it and have not been warned.  

Frankly I can't understand why someone added me to their Distrust list. Because I don't know those people, I don't have a any conversation with this members, and I didn't do a  trade with them.


Lies. You ~'ed me loooong ago. I sent you a PM since I had no idea who you are (and still don't, or care), yet you never even replied. Roll Eyes

You are a great addition to the trust system indeed... I mean, excluding people based on nothing? Roll Eyes

Anyhow, I could give zero fucks, I just think that statement above is fucking stupid and hilarious at once, in fact so stupid I could actually believe you think that... Cheesy

Cheers, idiot. Roll Eyes





legendary
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November 16, 2020, 08:29:30 PM
Week 20 Trusted by seven UID's (on top of the three who have trusted you for the past twenty weeks)
Instead of collusion, I think this was caused by a thread on a local board. Awareness lead to an increase in Trust relations, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Yes, I was thinking along those lines.  In week 21 there were four reciprocal trust4trusts - three of which were new additons that week with just one having trusted ekiller (railer) the week prior.
legendary
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November 16, 2020, 06:41:14 PM
If they did something wrong, I shouldn't suffer this. If they are bad members, the forum system should delete them.

Interesting, and quite laughable actually ... Roll Eyes


 So.. Members in my Distrust list. They are on this list because they added me to their Distrust for no any reason. Or maybe they have a reason for them. But I have never heard of it and have not been warned.  

Frankly I can't understand why someone added me to their Distrust list. Because I don't know those people, I don't have a any conversation with this members, and I didn't do a  trade with them.


Lies. You ~'ed me loooong ago. I sent you a PM since I had no idea who you are (and still don't, or care), yet you never even replied. Roll Eyes

You are a great addition to the trust system indeed... I mean, excluding people based on nothing? Roll Eyes

Anyhow, I could give zero fucks, I just think that statement above is fucking stupid and hilarious at once, in fact so stupid I could actually believe you think that... Cheesy

Cheers, idiot. Roll Eyes




legendary
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November 16, 2020, 02:28:22 PM
Week 20 Trusted by seven UID's (on top of the three who have trusted you for the past twenty weeks)
Instead of collusion, I think this was caused by a thread on a local board. Awareness lead to an increase in Trust relations, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
legendary
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November 16, 2020, 07:57:21 AM
... utter rubbish ...

Week 20 Trusted by seven UID's (on top of the three who have trusted you for the past twenty weeks)

Week 21 You add ten UID's to your trust list (your very first DT trusts of others), 2 distrusts of others, are trusted by twelve more users (AND five UID's remove their trust in you the same week)

Week 22 You add eleven more to your trust list, distrust two more UID's, are trusted by three more UID's (one gets banned and one removes their trust in you) - and you are distrusted by two for the first time.

After that there's reciprocal trusts for trust or distrust for distrust...




It's not just this user, it's the seeming collusion to en-mass trust/distrust others.
legendary
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November 16, 2020, 06:29:10 AM

I excluded you because I think you put the wrong people on DT2, as explained earlier. If you correct your Trust inclusions, I'll re-evaluate this Smiley


Thank you. I will stay this way. Like I said above, I don't mind being on somebody's Trustlist.  This is my political opinion too. I can't take back from people a statement of trust they deserved before.
If they did something wrong, I shouldn't suffer this. If they are bad members, the forum system should delete them.
I can't always check the members on my Trustlist about what they are doing. I did what time required.

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Even this subject where my forum name (ekiller) goes, someone else informed me.
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Good job, thanks for informing.
legendary
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November 16, 2020, 06:12:15 AM
~ in my TrustList because of I have a safe and trustworthy trading history with these members. (Buy, sell something and Mining hardware, PowerSupply and Bitcoin)

As much as I know, we add the members we trust to this list. Isn't It ?
No. I think you're confusing Trust feedback with Trust lists. That happens a lot, I even made a topic about it: LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system:
Don't confuse your Trust list with feedback
Trust feedback: leave feedback to people you trust or don't trust. Or leave neutral comments.
Trust list: a list of people who's judgement on others you trust (username) or don't trust (~username).

The topic is received a lot of support from community, including 15 translations:

Frankly I can't understand why someone added me to their Distrust list. Because I don't know those people, I don't have a any conversation with this members, and I didn't do a  trade with them.
The (valid) reason could be they think you leave bad feedback, or include bad users on your Trust list.
The (invalid) reason could be they don't like your politicial opinion or whatever.

I excluded you because I think you put the wrong people on DT2, as explained earlier. If you correct your Trust inclusions, I'll re-evaluate this Smiley

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Even this subject where my forum name (ekiller) goes, someone else informed me.
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legendary
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November 16, 2020, 05:50:52 AM
Hello  @LoyceV   and  @marlboroza

Members; @everest35, @Alpsea, and other members in my TrustList because of I have a safe and trustworthy trading history with these members. (Buy, sell something and Mining hardware, PowerSupply and Bitcoin)

As much as I know, we add the members we trust to this list. Isn't It ?
If something negative happened in these members' accounts later I add, I have no information on this subject.
These members have been on my Trust list for a long time.

 So.. Members in my Distrust list. They are on this list because they added me to their Distrust for no any reason. Or maybe they have a reason for them.
But I have never heard of it and have not been warned.  

 Frankly I can't understand why someone added me to their Distrust list. Because I don't know those people, I don't have a any conversation with this members, and I didn't do a  trade with them.

 Edit: I'm just a simple, composed forum member. The reason I am here, sharing information to the community on issues I know and trade.

I am not interested in the following issues at all;  DT, Merit, Rank, Signature campaigns, Ad.

Even this subject where my forum name (ekiller) goes, someone else informed me.

legendary
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November 14, 2020, 09:04:52 AM
I noticed this in my Complete overview of users on DT1 and DT2 and their ratings:
  340. 878358: This user's information will be added next week. Until then, see https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/everest35-878358
It's this user: everest35.
His latest known Trust list is from May, after which he got Nuked (and thus his Trust relationships are excluded from theymos' data dump) so my Trust list viewer doesn't reflect reality anymore. This Nuked user is currently included by ekiller, who included him a few days before he received positive feedback from him. I see no valid reason to include someone without any Sent feedback, and without a (good) Trust list. That makes it currently only Trust Selfscratching.
The Trust Selfscratching is worse than this: ekiller's Trust score went from +1 / =0 / -0 to +9 / =0 / -0 when he reached DT1.
Marlboroza brought this user up last week, after which I pointed out the fact that ekiller has ecluded everyone who excluded him.
And with that, I'm excluding ekiller from my Trust list:
Code:
~ekiller
I'm not even going to bother excluding the sockpuppets he's included, he shouldn't be on DT1 and if he drops out (he's currently at DT1 strength (0)), all his inclusions disappear from DT.
legendary
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November 08, 2020, 08:09:03 PM
Quote from: LoyceV link=topic=5095156.msg55539293#msg55539293
We've seen it before: inclusions based on nationalism instead of rationalism.
Very few people use the trust system in rational way. Most of the times, people include users because they trust them with fund or because of nationalism or simply they know the user or most common- backscratchers.

I must be the odd one out:

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Trust list for: Timelord2067 (Trust: +8 / =7 / -0) (DT1 (-11) 534 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-11-07_Sat_04.06h)
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Timelord2067 Trusts these users' judgement:
1. LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 2877 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. RHavar (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (675 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. mocacinno (Trust: neutral) (1729 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. actmyname (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (1178 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. The Pharmacist (Trust: +25 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (33) 2719 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. SFR10 (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 546 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. TwitchySeal (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (765 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. jackg (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (910 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. Gunthar (Trust: +12 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 110 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. DireWolfM14 (Trust: +22 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (17) 1861 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. YOSHIE (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (756 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. Ratimov (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (Cool 2823 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. Timelord2o67 (Trust: neutral) (18 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. geophphreigh (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (636 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. zasad@ (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (1813 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. Rikafip (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (9) 1432 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Other than the three or was it four who were contenders for Newbie of the year (who all appear to be Russian if I am not mistaken) I know not where any of the others are from - that and I only back scratch just a quarter of those who trust me.

Care to discuss where you think my trust list might be wrong?
sr. member
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November 08, 2020, 04:27:43 AM
Quote from: LoyceV link=topic=5095156.msg55539293#msg55539293
We've seen it before: inclusions based on nationalism instead of rationalism.
Very few people use the trust system in rational way. Most of the times, people include users because they trust them with fund or because of nationalism or simply they know the user or most common- backscratchers.
legendary
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November 07, 2020, 07:21:52 AM
[2]What bugs me with account ekiller (account is DT1 btw) is that they included bunch of sockpuppets and questionable users to their trust network and made some of them DT's (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-07_Sat_04.06h/667791.html) :
~
wolwoo: uh...
We've seen it before: inclusions based on nationalism instead of rationalism.

I noticed both ekiller and wolwoo have excluded everyone (Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they distrust each other) who excluded them:
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Trust list for: ekiller (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 423 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-11-07_Sat_04.06h)

~ekiller's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. Foxpup (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1062 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. Timelord2067 (Trust: +8 / =7 / -0) (DT1 (-11) 534 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. mindrust (Trust: neutral) (DT1 (-7) 1091 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. suchmoon (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (37) 4806 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. owlcatz (Trust: +50 / =0 / -1) (405 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. nutildah (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (2751 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. psycodad (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (285 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. JollyGood (Trust: +9 / =0 / -1) (790 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. o_e_l_e_o (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 5057 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. DireWolfM14 (Trust: +22 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (17) 1861 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)



Trust list for: wolwoo (Trust: +0 / =3 / -3) (657 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-11-07_Sat_04.06h)

~wolwoo's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. Foxpup (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1062 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. Lauda (Trust: +33 / =18 / -3) (1751 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. Deathwing (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (328 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Timelord2067 (Trust: +8 / =7 / -0) (DT1 (-11) 534 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. EFS (Trust: +12 / =1 / -0) (227 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. stompix (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (1293 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. mindrust (Trust: neutral) (DT1 (-7) 1091 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. ChuckBuck (Trust: +1 / =1 / -1) (188 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. suchmoon (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (37) 4806 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. NeuroticFish (Trust: neutral) (811 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. teeGUMES (Trust: +11 / =3 / -1) (DT1! (0) 649 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. owlcatz (Trust: +50 / =0 / -1) (405 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. examplens (Trust: +1 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (6) 343 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. tmfp (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (719 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 2877 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. psycodad (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (285 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. bones261 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (823 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. LoyceV (Trust: +28 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (53) 6112 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
19. Last of the V8s (Trust: +8 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (0) 3860 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
20. Kalemder (Trust: +1 / =0 / -1) (1207 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
21. The Pharmacist (Trust: +25 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (33) 2719 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
22. TwitchySeal (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (765 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
23. TryNinja (Trust: neutral) (DT1! (7) 2394 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
24. bob123 (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 1891 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
25. Lafu (Trust: +12 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (16) 1200 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
26. nullius (Trust: +4 / =3 / -1) (DT1 (-9) 1990 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
27. khaled0111 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (1145 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
28. JollyGood (Trust: +9 / =0 / -1) (790 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
29. amishmanish (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (616 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
30. o_e_l_e_o (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 5057 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
31. GazetaBitcoin (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1100 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
32. TheBeardedBaby (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (14) 2142 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
33. morvillz7z (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1478 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
34. fillippone (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (14) 4421 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
35. Coolcryptovator (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (15) 1540 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
36. DireWolfM14 (Trust: +22 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (17) 1861 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
37. PrimeNumber7 (Trust: +0 / =3 / -1) (805 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
38. efialtis (Trust: +18 / =1 / -0) (1147 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
I didn't check who excluded who first, but considering the 100% mutual exclusions, I assume the obvious.
legendary
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November 07, 2020, 07:06:18 AM
Another DT sockpuppeting account which shouldn't be in DT:

35.[/color] 790823: alpsea (Trust: +2 / =0 / -2) (55 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)



I can only guess why alpsea is trusted by sockpuppets, hacked account and...ekhem...account ekiller[1][2] but if things like this continue, DT system will really turn into:
The way things are going, soon there will be no "other" DT1 members, only bounty hunters, sockpuppets, and sockpuppets of bounty hunters. Non-sockpuppeting users can't win against sockpuppets.


[1] Other two accounts which are not connected to this ring have the same trust "settings" since 2019-06-08:

app31: https://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/258500.html
elbetbirgun: https://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/2502194.html
Actually, hacked account PrintMule has the same trust list: https://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/113333.html

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[2]What bugs me with account ekiller (account is DT1 btw) is that they included bunch of sockpuppets and questionable users to their trust network and made some of them DT's (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-11-07_Sat_04.06h/667791.html) :

goraset: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ban-evasion-by-scammy-dt-member-please-permaban-account-case-1-5206872
zz and his alt account mhanbostanci: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/for-dt1-members-mhanbostanci-alts-5247998
otto_diesel: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53348632 , https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ban-evasion-by-dt1-member-please-permaban-account-case-2-5206971
kenanzz: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=411506
zonefloor: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55356347
Vispilio: uh...
wolwoo: uh...
everest35: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/everest35-878358  Huh  Huh  Huh

Note: I didn't check all accounts.
legendary
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November 03, 2020, 03:35:16 AM
I like the rotation system, it allows for fresh and old faces to rotate every month. Like you I was also removed from DT1 this month but this rotation system seems to be an acceptable way to most users without courting too much controversy of favouritism


So theymos is saying that theymos is trustworthy.
No idea why but that makes me chuckle a bit.

-Dave

Because it's just how the trust system works now. I was removed from DT1 this month myself. it's a lottery-based type of system now. Does seem funny tho, and that movie rocked as a kid! Cheesy

legendary
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November 02, 2020, 07:45:33 PM
So theymos is saying that theymos is trustworthy.
No idea why but that makes me chuckle a bit.

-Dave

Because it's just how the trust system works now. I was removed from DT1 this month myself. it's a lottery-based type of system now. Does seem funny tho, and that movie rocked as a kid! Cheesy
legendary
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November 02, 2020, 05:43:54 PM
Theymos updated DT1:

Removed:
...

Added:
     1. Administrator theymos (Trust: +28 / =0 / -0) (6953 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     ...

So theymos is saying that theymos is trustworthy.
No idea why but that makes me chuckle a bit.

https://youtu.be/aK1gnNTVxvc?t=207

-Dave

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November 02, 2020, 05:35:04 PM
But DT1 has changed, and eddie13 is no longer on DT1.

I hadn't noticed that. Makes sense ...

(How much to subscribe to the "live" trust viewer instead of the free weekly update?) 😎
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