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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 09, 2014, 09:29:25 AM

Quote from: RoooooR on September 09, 2014, 09:23:19 AM

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Quote from: RoooooR on September 09, 2014, 09:14:39 AM

@LtPaxIV @marcotheminer

You both and the others who keeps their sign for btc is more GREEDY than DiceBitco. They stole a few hundreds BTC. If it's not enough for you I don't know why don't you have a fuckin brain?

You are fuckin greedy poors.

For some, the income we receive from these campaigns is a big portion (0.3BTC isn't exactly a small amount). I am waiting until I get paid then will decide the best course of action.

Currently, the site is working fine. No one is sure wether it was a scam or not. But it is still functioning, you can bet, you can withdraw. People lost bitcoins out of the advertisers' control, but due to the site owners. For all we know they are not the scammers.

FUCKIN GREEDY.

Leave him (macrotheminer) and others who carry the signature without updates negative trust - he is supporting a scam.

No one can be sure it is a scam, I understand where you guys are coming from and I will remove the signature ASAP.

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Quote from: RoooooR on September 09, 2014, 09:23:19 AM

Quote from: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 09:18:42 AM

Quote from: RoooooR on September 09, 2014, 09:14:39 AM

@LtPaxIV @marcotheminer

You both and the others who keeps their sign for btc is more GREEDY than DiceBitco. They stole a few hundreds BTC. If it's not enough for you I don't know why don't you have a fuckin brain?

You are fuckin greedy poors.

For some, the income we receive from these campaigns is a big portion (0.3BTC isn't exactly a small amount). I am waiting until I get paid then will decide the best course of action.

Currently, the site is working fine. No one is sure wether it was a scam or not. But it is still functioning, you can bet, you can withdraw. People lost bitcoins out of the advertisers' control, but due to the site owners. For all we know they are not the scammers.

FUCKIN GREEDY.

Leave him (macrotheminer) and others who carry the signature without updates negative trust - he is supporting a scam.

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Quote from: dooglus on September 09, 2014, 01:30:35 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on September 08, 2014, 11:48:52 PM

He's sitting on a $3m pile of OPM and what's the first thing he does after the site is compromised? Hastily rolls back the code and insists everything is great. Starts issuing half-assed refunds. Yells at anyone doubting his decisions. Closes chat and then the official thread. Proceeds to lose 80-90% of last investors' coins to a freaky lucky whale. Did I miss anything? Did he do anything that was even remotely rational?

Rolling back code to remove the commit written by the new employee was rational.

Thinking that rolling back his commit would leave a secure codebase was reasonable too, if that was his only commit.

Losing to a lucky whale isn't something he could control (unless he was the whale, or gave him the seed, of course). When a whale is playing, you don't want to stop him because he's probably going to end up losing back his gains.

The refund policy, the yelling, and removing chat were all questionable, as was not freezing betting for longer.

dooglus, it wasn't just removing chat. He removed the ability for you to view the seed & nonce for other people's bets. This becomes awfully more suspicious when a whale then proceeds to win big while paying small variance bets.

Furthermore, according to the description the nonce rigging involved accounts marked in the database. This required a database schema update. I'd bet that the "developer" simply updated the database schema himself (people are lazy, ok?), instead of pushing out a commit with a schema and patching instructions. This would mean the "developer" had access to the database server, and could grab a server seed.

@marcotheminer: You should edit your signature to add a disclaimer about current events. EG: "[color = red] [b ]I do not endorse DiceBitco.in. DiceBitco.in may be untrustworthy. For more information, see [url == https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dicebitcoin-new-thread-to-discuss-774828 ] this thread. [/url] [/b ] [/ color]

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Quote from: dooglus on September 09, 2014, 01:30:35 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on September 08, 2014, 11:48:52 PM

He's sitting on a $3m pile of OPM and what's the first thing he does after the site is compromised? Hastily rolls back the code and insists everything is great. Starts issuing half-assed refunds. Yells at anyone doubting his decisions. Closes chat and then the official thread. Proceeds to lose 80-90% of last investors' coins to a freaky lucky whale. Did I miss anything? Did he do anything that was even remotely rational?

Rolling back code to remove the commit written by the new employee was rational.

Thinking that rolling back his commit would leave a secure codebase was reasonable too, if that was his only commit.

Losing to a lucky whale isn't something he could control (unless he was the whale, or gave him the seed, of course). When a whale is playing, you don't want to stop him because he's probably going to end up losing back his gains.

The refund policy, the yelling, and removing chat were all questionable, as was not freezing betting for longer.

Maybe I'm looking at this wrong but I can't see how it's ok to just roll back code but leave the compromised database in place and tell everyone that issue was fixed when he apparently didn't know the extent of the damage nor did he have a sound plan to deal with it.

As for the lucky whale, even if I suspend my disbelief for a second and try to imagine it wasn't him, wouldn't the first round of ~120 BTC wins be enough of a clue that perhaps there is a backdoor in the code or something else not quite right.

Criminally reckless is the least I can say about all this. But the reality is probably much more "criminal".

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Quote from: RoooooR on September 09, 2014, 09:14:39 AM

@LtPaxIV @marcotheminer

You both and the others who keeps their sign for btc is more GREEDY than DiceBitco. They stole a few hundreds BTC. If it's not enough for you I don't know why don't you have a fuckin brain?

You are fuckin greedy poors.

For some, the income we receive from these campaigns is a big portion (0.3BTC isn't exactly a small amount). I am waiting until I get paid then will decide the best course of action.

Currently, the site is working fine. No one is sure wether it was a scam or not. But it is still functioning, you can bet, you can withdraw. People lost bitcoins out of the advertisers' control, but due to the site owners. For all we know they are not the scammers.

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Quote from: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 09:18:42 AM

Quote from: RoooooR on September 09, 2014, 09:14:39 AM

@LtPaxIV @marcotheminer

You both and the others who keeps their sign for btc is more GREEDY than DiceBitco. They stole a few hundreds BTC. If it's not enough for you I don't know why don't you have a fuckin brain?

You are fuckin greedy poors.

For some, the income we receive from these campaigns is a big portion (0.3BTC isn't exactly a small amount). I am waiting until I get paid then will decide the best course of action.

Currently, the site is working fine. No one is sure wether it was a scam or not. But it is still functioning, you can bet, you can withdraw. People lost bitcoins out of the advertisers' control, but due to the site owners. For all we know they are not the scammers.

FUCKIN GREEDY.

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Quote from: sumantso on September 09, 2014, 08:47:13 AM

This is a very toxic community. I have seen through so many scams and now I have stopped digging. Thankfully, there are these 2.0 cryptos which are quite interesting to look into.

I'm not sure how a '2.0' crypto would help in a case such as DB where the site was rigged to function incorrectly, or a MtGox that disappears with funds, or a Bitconica where funds are stolen, etc. Some '2.0' cryptos make things worse by making tracing stolen funds harder.

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@LtPaxIV @marcotheminer

You both and the others who keeps their sign for btc is more GREEDY than DiceBitco. They stole a few hundreds BTC. If it's not enough for you I don't know why don't you have a fuckin brain?

You are fuckin greedy poors.

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Quote from: jaysabi on September 09, 2014, 08:24:25 AM

I guess the other 1% would be ACTUAL EVIDENCE then. Suspicious timing is not evidence. Someone winning is not evidence. Someone winning at a suspicious time is not evidence. I believe Matteo was an inside job too, the difference is I'm leaving open the possibility it wasn't. All this BS talk of improbability and unlikeliness and suspicious timing is just unsubstantiated speculation.

We would need an independent audit of the code, books, betting, etc. In a state governed casino or lottery such oversight is available. As DB was an unlicensed and therefore unregulated entity then no such investigation is possible. Hence the speculation. We have no better alternative.

Quote from: jaysabi on September 09, 2014, 08:24:25 AM

Under the broken logic and dubious math you're all using, you know what else is suspicious? Everyone who's ever won the Powerball. It's SO suspicious that anyone would play or win a game with a 0% chance of winning!

Incorrect, although I take the point you're making. The chances of winning my local version of Powerball is about 1 in 43 million. It's never zero and chances are someone is going to win every week or two, given enough entries. What mateo did is quite different. It wasn't one jackpot win of 500+ btc. It was consistent betting over thousands of 'rolls'. Looking at the results I would say mateo had the 1% edge against the house, not the other way around.

The above posters who stated the chances of mateo doing what he did as zero chance are clearly incorrect. There's always a chance mateo could get very lucky. But given the certain facts surrounding DB it's natural even a casual observer would have questions to ask.

Quote from: jaysabi on September 09, 2014, 08:24:25 AM

Don't confuse someone who knows the difference between suspicious circumstances and evidence as someone who believes Matteo and manl are two different people. Just because you've convicted manl with missing pieces of information and while high on emotion and based on speculation doesn't mean everyone has such a low threshold for judgment.

We do know the site was rigged for around two weeks and did not work as advertised. One could reasonably argue that given the other suspicious events at the site the threshold for judgment has been markedly lowered to the reasonable observer.

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Quote from: NLNico on September 09, 2014, 09:04:49 AM

Or they still saw your/others signature which is still actively promoting a scam :\

We are not sure it is a scam. From what it seems it was an honest mistake, however with how everyone reacted many people were led to believe it was a scam.

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Or they still saw your/others signature which is still actively promoting a scam :\

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well i think the ppl still betting either didnt get to know what happened,or just dont care.at least deposit and withdraw are still working,so for new ppl wich are not here maybe hardly to find out.

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Quote from: 21pilot on September 09, 2014, 07:48:31 AM

looks like a nice pay day for manl:

https://blockchain.info/address/1N61semERRahc7ivnDT9botTzU8GmZ3bP3
https://blockchain.info/de/address/16t5UjxLNbKRMXUwXGxtHUUGTTmcKZSmQc

~666000 $ in the 2nd address

I'm also wondering why these bitcoins weren't paid back Huh

Are they mateo's coins or still part of the site's hot wallet?

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Quote from: snuffish on September 09, 2014, 08:30:56 AM

I don't get it. Does people actually keep deposit and play on the site?

I see some high bets from time to time. They should just close it down and "re-open" when everyone have been re-funded etc.

Perhaps some people don't even come on "bitcointalk" and just don't know what happened..

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Quote from: Martijnvdc on September 08, 2014, 12:01:57 PM

Give me back my 0.3 BTC!
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Jeesh, i'm not going to recommend bitcoin to anyone else... The technology behind the bitcoin protocol seems very reliable to me, but the community just sucks...
Nothing but dishonest people. I have been scammed so many times, even though i myself have been so honest to others. I made a zero-profit bitcoin faucet handing out so much money, i helped people repair their bitcoin wallets containing ten's of BTC, never asking a bitcent in return. And yet i'm the one who always gets scammed one way or another.

No more bitcoin investing for me...

This is a very toxic community. I have seen through so many scams and now I have stopped digging. Thankfully, there are these 2.0 cryptos which are quite interesting to look into.

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I don't get it. Does people actually keep deposit and play on the site?

I see some high bets from time to time. They should just close it down and "re-open" when everyone have been re-funded etc.

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Quote from: jaysabi on September 09, 2014, 08:24:25 AM

Quote from: smalltimer50 on September 09, 2014, 07:10:51 AM

I still can't believe Dooglus and others actually believe that Matteo could have been a legitimate whale. Are you kidding me? Just the math + the timing alone is 99% of the proof you need.

I guess the other 1% would be ACTUAL EVIDENCE then. Suspicious timing is not evidence. Someone winning is not evidence. Someone winning at a suspicious time is not evidence. I believe Matteo was an inside job too, the difference is I'm leaving open the possibility it wasn't. All this BS talk of improbability and unlikeliness and suspicious timing is just unsubstantiated speculation. Under the broken logic and dubious math you're all using, you know what else is suspicious? Everyone who's ever won the Powerball. It's SO suspicious that anyone would play or win a game with a 0% game of winning!

Don't confuse someone who knows the difference between suspicious circumstances and evidence as someone who believes Matteo and manl are two different people. Just because you've convicted manl with missing pieces of information and while high on emotion and based on speculation doesn't mean everyone has such a low threshold for judgment.

I believe Matteo was an inside job, but I also acknowledge the possibility he was legitimate. It can't be worse odds than winning the Powerball.

Lol, it's more like 1000%

Not unplugging the site while he was playing would be like a banker witnessing a heist and not calling the cops.

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Quote from: smalltimer50 on September 09, 2014, 07:10:51 AM

I still can't believe Dooglus and others actually believe that Matteo could have been a legitimate whale. Are you kidding me? Just the math + the timing alone is 99% of the proof you need.

I guess the other 1% would be ACTUAL EVIDENCE then. Suspicious timing is not evidence. Someone winning is not evidence. Someone winning at a suspicious time is not evidence. I believe Matteo was an inside job too, the difference is I'm leaving open the possibility it wasn't. All this BS talk of improbability and unlikeliness and suspicious timing is just unsubstantiated speculation. Under the broken logic and dubious math you're all using, you know what else is suspicious? Everyone who's ever won the Powerball. It's SO suspicious that anyone would play or win a game with a 0% chance of winning!

Don't confuse someone who knows the difference between suspicious circumstances and evidence as someone who believes Matteo and manl are two different people. Just because you've convicted manl with missing pieces of information and while high on emotion and based on speculation doesn't mean everyone has such a low threshold for judgment.

I believe Matteo was an inside job, but I also acknowledge the possibility he was legitimate. It can't be worse odds than winning the Powerball.

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Quote from: autotoss on September 09, 2014, 07:59:23 AM

why 600000 $? site profit was 300 btc and now -300 btc. where other 600 btc?

commissions, rigging the profit display...

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why 600000 $? site profit was 300 btc and now -300 btc. where other 600 btc?

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