Topic: Did we actually really land on moon? - page 3. (Read 7512 times)

Dah, had to upgrade the plasma lights into LED, on the firmament/steel dome - Batty would claim.
Hallelujah.

Well, if we didn't go to the moon, what did we do with those big fucking rockets?

we did land on moon, but if we really talk about the first landing by apollo 11 I have my own doubts. there are videos and documentaries which try to prove the landing wrong and consider them as hoax. it was in time when USSR and USA were going through a cold war which was basically fought at technological front and USA was desperate to go an extra mile after USSR's successful launch of Sputnik. For more, watch such videos on youtube and you would kind of believe it as hoax too.

I have not seen any claims anywhere based on the Copernican models or heliocentrism. Those are completely outdated concepts. Certainly none from NASA.



These statements are pretty consistent, moon landing in 1969, first American car with steel belted radials in 1970.

Although the Citroen in 1948, that's quite interesting.

^^^ I didn't realize steel belting wasn't a thing until so late in the game.

A tire company is still a good choice for making moon tires all-be-it wire mesh ones IMO. NASA's propaganda agents involved as many people and companies as possible to make parts, it was a PR stunt. For Goodyear it was an obvious advertising bonanza.

Anything involving money from your pocket and claims based on the Copernican model or heliocentrism is straight up fraud. No man has, can or will land a foot on any light in the sky.

No, the 1970 model Lincoln Continental Mark III was the first American-made vehicle with radial tires as standard equipment.
The Citroën 2CV came from factory with radial tires fitted in 1948 as standard.
A steel belted radial tire is nothing like a steel mesh tire where the mesh compresses to the inner-frame under load.


Is like equipping the billy cart with power steering (60lb/27kg)



Prior to the LRV the MET (Modularized Equipment Transporter) Apollo 14 did have inflated tires.


Judging by the footprints the cart is still at base and not attached to power source.

You are the amusement park ride. Sending people to hell with your false info is only amusement to others who know your deceptiveness.

Steel belted radials were just coming to reality in the years of the various Apollo missions.

No it's not. Only at a full moon does this appear to be true.

^^^ The Moon is evenly lit like an illumined disc would be, you believe in fairy tale balls. You're Cinderella on an animated cartoon amusement park ride to hell.

^^^ Such symbolism of outer space and the globular planets and stars that God created.

IIRC tires have steel belts.



Interesting symbology the lizard 'n chief wears on their head, NASA is a heretical propaganda agency that can't get past God's firmament.

Our Sun and Moon are engineered electrical lights, they're holographically projected discs of sonoluminescent electrical plasma. The firmament is a gold colour nickel-iron steel concave mirror with a glass-like reflective oxide layer. The plasma image of the Moon in a liquid crystal upper atmospheric layer is reflected off of the firmament creating a projected hologram.

The Moon is then loomed or hung in the sky by suspended water droplets, it was created to rule the night.

For things like this the budget would be a weight budget, not a dollar budget. Weight had to be minimized everywhere possible.

This results in some odd realities.

For example, custom fabricated item from titanium (fantastically expensive) turns out to be cheaper than off the shelf similar item from aluminum or steel. Reason is launch costs, which may be $50,000 USD per pound.

Budget is definitely not a keyword when you're talking about the government. The US military pays $1432 pero clutch disc when it's worth $32. Why do you think budget was cut at all? Budget is not an issue for these people and they run free until they are stopped.

Honestly I'm glad they run free for some years, that got them to the Moon, but don't try to fake it and pretend as though the US military is a financially responsible organization. Hell, when they run out of money they import cocaine from Colombia or heroin from Afghanistan and sell it in the US. And here you're saying "budget is key word".

Thats the whole point 4 wheel steering is expensive, complex and higher chance of failure as a straight rear axel. Budget is key word.
Power steering on a mission critical mission on something weighting 100 - 166 lb is strange. Much cheaper more relay-able options available.
Another strange engineering choice is the use of high rpm low torque motor driving low speed on uneven terrain.

6 Motors totaling almost 1KW (932.12 Watts)

There was already some knowledge as LRV was used on Apollo 15,16,17
Apollo 11, Launched 16 July 1969, Landed on Moon 20 July 1969, Sea of Tranquility, Returned to Earth 24 July 1969
Apollo 12, Launched 14 November 1969, Landed on Moon 19 November 1969, Ocean of Storms, Returned to Earth 24 November 1969
Apollo 13, Launched 11 April 1970, Lunar Flyby and Return, Malfunction forced cancellation of lunar landing, Returned to Earth 17 April 1970
Apollo 14, Launched 31 January 1971, Landed on Moon 5 February 1971, Fra Mauro, Returned to Earth 9 February 1971
Apollo 15, Launched 26 July 1971, Landed on Moon 30 July 1971, Hadley Rille, Returned to Earth 7 August 1971
Apollo 16, Launched 16 April 1972, Landed on Moon 20 April 1972, Descartes, Returned to Earth 27 April 1972
Apollo 17, Launched 07 December 1972, Landed on Moon 11 December 1972, Taurus-Littrow, Returned to Earth 19 December 1972

Would a medal engineering company not be a better choice to provide steel mesh tires as Goodyear, a Rubber Company?
(81.8 cm diameter, 23 cm wide tire)

Not only was funding cut, but at the time the public got "bored" of the trips to the moon. People get bored even with such major achievement, the novelty wore off, and money is not going to be spent on something the public is bored of.

It wasn't a Sunday trip to the mountains, there were many unknown unknowns. In the end many of those design constraints were moot, but what would you expect from the first trip to the Moon? It was mostly guesswork and the other part is that it was funded by the government, do you know what that means? When the Space Shuttle was designed there were also many other ridiculous constraints because the military wanted to be able go to space and steal a satellite and go back home in less than a day. It was never used but it impacted the Space Shuttle design.

People doubting going to the Moon in '69 should stop with the fake conspiracies and should put things into context. It wasn't that there were aliens, it wasn't that it was all fake. It was that the funding came from the military and you add government red tape bureaucracy and politicians bs and you get something ridiculously expensive and with some doubtful design decisions. It wasn't perfect, it was human but it worked alright.

And then funding was cut so we've had to wait more than 50 years till someone gets to do it in an economically sensible way.

Just you.

IIRC including payload it could go up to about a 1000 lb, or 166 lb under lunar gravity.

Yes attached to outside and collapsed, it took up only 4 cubic feet.

I thought the 4 wheel power steering was overkill, but then once you have an electric motor on each of the four axles...

Why NASA provided it is unknown, whats interesting is the illustration of the Buggy unloading. It seems it was attached to the outside and then lowered like a Drawbridge.
The LRV sure has some bizarre design features like 4 wheel steering which is very handy in thigh cornering, but on the lunar surface?
Another is the added complexity to have electric power steering. Power steering is very handy on heavy vehicles but the LRV only weight 210 kg/ 463 pounds and additionally is only a sixth of gravity. On a single use battery using 4 motors just for steering 100 pound heavy vehicle?, odd.