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Topic: 📝[Discussion topic] Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns📝 - page 2. (Read 3868 times)

sr. member
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On the plus side, as you posted in the coinomize signature thread, some mixer campaigns are starting moving to altcointalk, so it's not like they're gone forever. Hopefully the trend continues and all mixers would move there (together with the participants), creating more traffic and more competition, driving pay rates up.
I saw the thread on Altcointalks, their payrate is much lower than what was offered on bitcointalk. The top quality posters who were in such campaigns will think twice over going there to promote it unless the pay is compensated in some other form. I am sure the managers are doing well managing this and since I am not willing to add in another account to that forum, I will stay here and focus on the issues on this forum. Cheesy

Not sure how some of the members can manage two forums at the same time. Kudos to those who can! Roll Eyes
For me, it was a total waste of money and time promoting on that forum. It's likely not effective to promote on that website. AltcoinTalk is just a copycat of BitcoinTalk and we can say that AltcoinTalk is full of garbage posts. Moderators there are not getting paid unlike here in BitcoinTalk where being a moderator will get you some bag.

But wait, they're having a promotion since they know that some users will move to AltcoinTalk. The promotion states that if you're a Hero Member here you'll also be a Hero Member on AltcoinTalk once you create an account.
legendary
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I saw the thread on Altcointalks, their payrate is much lower than what was offered on bitcointalk. The top quality posters who were in such campaigns will think twice over going there to promote it unless the pay is compensated in some other form. I am sure the managers are doing well managing this and since I am not willing to add in another account to that forum, I will stay here and focus on the issues on this forum. Cheesy

Not sure how some of the members can manage two forums at the same time. Kudos to those who can! Roll Eyes

Payrates are not constant and they will be changing though. If all mixer campaigns move in there together with participants, that would bump up the traffic and activity, which could lead to higher payrates in the future. There will also be more competition between mixers, which now don't have that many places left they could advertise on.
And when more btctalk members are aware they could "teleport" their ranks to altcointalk and apply for extra campaigns to boost up their earnings, the traffic and payrates could also go up.

From participants' perspective, even if the payrates are lower, they could still apply for whatever campaigns are left on btctalk. Definitely better than not having any income.
legendary
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Now we have an imminent ban of Mixer related signatures... What next?

I think crypto casinos are going to be banned next or paid signatures all together. This is a soft but progressive ban.
Yeah, it seems that we're slowly moving into this direction. And probably nobody will be very surprised if promoting gambling websites or signatures campaigns will be banned one day. Seems that theymos want to get rid of any potential headache and problems to deal with. It's understandable, probably many of us would act same in his place, but still, it's sad.

The only way for crypto casinos to be banned is when OFAC or SEC consider them as a threat, but I think it's only relate to smart contract casino where they don't ask KYC. For crypto casino which has KYC regulation, I believe they will be safe.

The forum lose it's stance against no KYC, so the next is relate to privacy.
It's not just about OFAC, SEC and fact that they have KYC makes them legitimate. For example, there might be problems related with licenses. In jurisdiction where I live, all casinos which are promoted on Bitcointalk can be considered as illegal because they don't have license issued in my country. There might be similar things in other countries. So, it's possible that various governments can start acting against Bitcointalk, like blocking access to forum.
hero member
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Mixer is always become a bad actor for government, that's why theymos want to ban mixer advertisement.

The only way for crypto casinos to be banned is when OFAC or SEC consider them as a threat, but I think it's only relate to smart contract casino where they don't ask KYC. For crypto casino which has KYC regulation, I believe they will be safe.

The forum lose it's stance against no KYC, so the next is relate to privacy.
Yes because with the existence of a mixer there are millions of dollars that are made or processed from various crime funds even though some mixers have implemented a ban on illegal transactions but for the government if a mixer platform has been caught then all mixers will be labeled bad by the government.

For casinos with smart contracts, it is not popular although I don't know if there will be more developments later, but indeed casinos that have regulations and licenses from the government, casinos will select more strictly from the funds received from each user who is deposited.

So I don't believe casinos will become an illegal act for money laundering.

In the future privacy will be lost, and don't be surprised if KYC will come stricter. Cheesy
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Now we have an imminent ban of Mixer related signatures... What next?

I think crypto casinos are going to be banned next or paid signatures all together. This is a soft but progressive ban.
Mixer is always become a bad actor for government, that's why theymos want to ban mixer advertisement.

The only way for crypto casinos to be banned is when OFAC or SEC consider them as a threat, but I think it's only relate to smart contract casino where they don't ask KYC. For crypto casino which has KYC regulation, I believe they will be safe.

The forum lose it's stance against no KYC, so the next is relate to privacy.
copper member
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Everything looks like a gentle introduction to KYC on the forum and limits it to only KYC services. Don't be surprised if you soon see a ban on advertising for NO-KYC exchanges, and even casinos.
Like, we didn't see this coming, but it has sort of been a slow trend being introduced by admin.

First, he stopped advertising services on via the weekly forum slots out of know where.

And then he stopped Staff members from wearing Mixer related Signatures

Now we have an imminent ban of Mixer related signatures... What next?

I think crypto casinos are going to be banned next or paid signatures all together. This is a soft but progressive ban.
legendary
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I saw the thread on Altcointalks, their payrate is much lower than what was offered on bitcointalk. The top quality posters who were in such campaigns will think twice over going there to promote it unless the pay is compensated in some other form. I am sure the managers are doing well managing this and since I am not willing to add in another account to that forum, I will stay here and focus on the issues on this forum. Cheesy

Not sure how some of the members can manage two forums at the same time. Kudos to those who can! Roll Eyes

The payrate is probably determined based on activity and forum attendance. If 4 out of 8 mixer signature campaigns move there, it will definitely cause more activity on the Altt forum. Greater activity and attendance cause an increase in the payment rate in campaigns. The opposite can happen to the Bitcointalk forum, because let's not lie, at least 50% of the traffic here is thanks to signature campaigns.

This sucks big time. Signature campaigns will be effectively limited to casinos.

Not only casinos. There are also exchanges that advertise on the forum, such as Best Change or eXch.cx, although they advertise much less than casinos.

Everything looks like a gentle introduction to KYC on the forum and limits it to only KYC services. Don't be surprised if you soon see a ban on advertising for NO-KYC exchanges, and even casinos.
hero member
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I saw the thread on Altcointalks, their payrate is much lower than what was offered on bitcointalk. The top quality posters who were in such campaigns will think twice over going there to promote it unless the pay is compensated in some other form. I am sure the managers are doing well managing this and since I am not willing to add in another account to that forum, I will stay here and focus on the issues on this forum. Cheesy

Not sure how some of the members can manage two forums at the same time. Kudos to those who can! Roll Eyes

Aha, emphasis on the bolded bit because it's probably for those who can post a lot -- assuming they also have a signature campaign on bitcointalk. In addition, some fellas are also living somewhere with a much lower purchasing power so the pay rate won't be half as bad for something you do on the side.
legendary
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On the plus side, as you posted in the coinomize signature thread, some mixer campaigns are starting moving to altcointalk, so it's not like they're gone forever. Hopefully the trend continues and all mixers would move there (together with the participants), creating more traffic and more competition, driving pay rates up.
I saw the thread on Altcointalks, their payrate is much lower than what was offered on bitcointalk. The top quality posters who were in such campaigns will think twice over going there to promote it unless the pay is compensated in some other form. I am sure the managers are doing well managing this and since I am not willing to add in another account to that forum, I will stay here and focus on the issues on this forum. Cheesy

Not sure how some of the members can manage two forums at the same time. Kudos to those who can! Roll Eyes
legendary
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since "Mixers will no longer be allowed after Jan 1" 2024 according to theymos, I think it would be better to remove these services from the table to avoid advertising them indirectly and forward Bitcointalkers or other people to them until the ban effect takes place.
I don't mind removing it this early if Mitchell and most users want it removed, but i'd rather let them have their final few weeks in the overview thread when they'll be removed for good from the forum.

Also, it might still help others get a new temporary campaign when a few of the mixer campaigns recently increased their budget and pay rates.
legendary
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I am thinking about a BTC to ETH or BTC to XMR type of Swap service with different features, since the mixer is no longer there then it is likely that the service will develop, but we never know what will happen in the future unless we believe there will be better growth and they can return to advertising on the forum to keep marketing here.

That would effectively be an exchange, not mixer. If it was advertised as a mixer or had a mixing feature, it would be banned as well. From the perspective of someone who wants to make his bitcoins untraceable, using exchange is not good enough as it's not clear whether the owners will keep records of transfers etc.
It could work if such exchange was 100% anonymous and put emphasis on privacy being their main goal.


On the plus side, as you posted in the coinomize signature thread, some mixer campaigns are starting moving to altcointalk, so it's not like they're gone forever. Hopefully the trend continues and all mixers would move there (together with the participants), creating more traffic and more competition, driving pay rates up.
hero member
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As far as mixer campaigns, I am sure some other kind of services will pop up to take their place.  Maybe well see more exchanges advertised on the forum, or who knows maybe some new type of service altogether.  I am hopeful we will continue to see all kinds of interesting things happening and some new services promoting on the forum.
I am thinking about a BTC to ETH or BTC to XMR type of Swap service with different features, since the mixer is no longer there then it is likely that the service will develop, but we never know what will happen in the future unless we believe there will be better growth and they can return to advertising on the forum to keep marketing here.

I see so far centralized exchange advertising is still very rare unless they come up with a service like mixer but with slightly different features.

This is just my opinion. Cheesy
legendary
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There will be a huge drop in campaigns, those quality posters who do not want to be under casinos who pay less, or do not have any campaign to apply will likely open a thread to offer their signature space, we don't know what's in store for the forum this coming 2024 but I believe the signature managers will play a major factor in convincing the project owners to try signature campaign to maximize their advertisement.
Maybe we will see more new projects or new industries utilizing the popularity of Bitcointalk's presence in the search engine.
legendary
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That means simultaneously there are 8 campaigns that will disappear from next January 1 and there will be no more advertisements about the mixer, I'm not sure a little forum activity will decrease even if they don't advertise it and I'm sure someday there will be campaigns that will come again, maybe after the mixer there is no more casino and it grows on the forum?

Even though the admin said there is no demand from any party about him having to take his decision even though it is hard, I think the best way is to take it. Wink
Man, somehow I didn't knew that we have so many mixer campaigns here, I thought that there is maybe 2-3 currently active. That's a lot. For long time already, gambling campaigns were most frequent here, now when mixer campaigns will disappear, users will have much less options to pick what to advertise. I know that some users made decision not advertise gambling websites because in their opinion it's unethical or they religious beliefs don't allow them to do it.
I just hope that crypot gambling websites won't become new governments target after mixers.
legendary
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I don't know why I expected such move from forums admin. Theymos has enough problems to deal with every day and the last thing they want to see a service that is promoting something that could be linked to illegal activities or even worse in this case..
Mixers advertisements dropped significantly after the closure of Bitmixer until the first days of Chipmixer. This time it will be forever for mixerd.
I think these services will continue to exist even though there is a ban to talk about it here in a direct manner.
For the people who will be campain-less, I think their number all together will be less than Bitmixer and Yobit ones. They will find another thing to do and the mixer that will close, it might return with a new idea.
legendary
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That means simultaneously there are 8 campaigns that will disappear from next January 1 and there will be no more advertisements about the mixer, I'm not sure a little forum activity will decrease even if they don't advertise it and I'm sure someday there will be campaigns that will come again, maybe after the mixer there is no more casino and it grows on the forum?

I do not think we will see a drop in forum activity even though the mixer campaigns ended.  We still got other signature campaigns going, some with even higher post quotas that just started like Bitvest and Eleoncoin.  As far as mixer campaigns, I am sure some other kind of services will pop up to take their place.  Maybe well see more exchanges advertised on the forum, or who knows maybe some new type of service altogether.  I am hopeful we will continue to see all kinds of interesting things happening and some new services promoting on the forum.
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This sucks big time. Signature campaigns will be effectively limited to casinos. And the less campaigns there are, the less activity on the forum, which makes it less attractive to advertisers. A down-spiral.
I think it's a bit of an overkill, but I understand there must be a pretty big risk for the admins.
That means simultaneously there are 8 campaigns that will disappear from next January 1 and there will be no more advertisements about the mixer, I'm not sure a little forum activity will decrease even if they don't advertise it and I'm sure someday there will be campaigns that will come again, maybe after the mixer there is no more casino and it grows on the forum?

Even though the admin said there is no demand from any party about him having to take his decision even though it is hard, I think the best way is to take it. Wink
legendary
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This sucks big time. Signature campaigns will be effectively limited to casinos.

Not only casinos. There are also exchanges that advertise on the forum, such as Best Change or eXch.cx, although they advertise much less than casinos.

For January I would expect a drop in available signature campaigns, but I think that little by little there will be a reorganization, and maybe some casinos and exchanges will take the opportunity to advertise more, and also other services that are not advertised now or advertised currently as mixers that will be reinvented to meet the new rules, such as bitcoin to monero exchangers or non custodial wallets with coinjoin.

Examples of things that are not banned mixers include exchangers (unless they have a mixing function), CoinJoin-supporting non-custodial wallets, and Monero.
legendary
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This sucks big time. Signature campaigns will be effectively limited to casinos. And the less campaigns there are, the less activity on the forum, which makes it less attractive to advertisers. A down-spiral.
I think it's a bit of an overkill, but I understand there must be a pretty big risk for the admins.

I happen to believe that there is a possibility of new advertisements appearing. There is room for this to happen, and it seems to me that it will happen.

Now, in the initial phase, we will see the remuneration value drop, as there are many users without a campaign.
legendary
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!!! BOMBSHELL !!!

Advertising of ALL mixers is banned from 1 January 2024:

Bitcointalk.org aims to allow about as much freedom as is reasonably possible. But this is not a darknet forum, and with mixers looking "grayer and grayer", it's no longer reasonably possible to allow linking to mixers. Even though "a cryptocurrency mixing service is not necessarily illegal," a clear pattern has emerged where mixers pop up, last for a little while, and then get taken down by law enforcement once they get too big. Allowing mixers to be posted on bitcointalk.org before they seemingly-inevitably get declared illegal and seized is not sustainable. Therefore, linking to mixers will no longer be allowed, just the same as linking to darknet sites is already not allowed.

To avoid disruption, there will be a grace period: Nothing will change until Jan 1, 2024.

Starting Jan 1, 2024:
 - Existing mixer announcement topics (and a few topics that have no value without mixer-links) will be locked and archived.
 - Going forward, directing people to mixers in new posts/edits will be totally disallowed, and doing so could lead to a ban. Many mixer URLs will be wordfiltered-out, and if you bypass the wordfilter, then that'll definitely be ban-worthy.
 - Any remaining mixer signatures (etc.) may be deleted. Anyone persisting in advertising mixers will be banned.
 - In most cases, old posts will not be deleted. Nobody should be banned for old posts.

You do not need to go edit/delete your past posts. Links will be automatically wordfiltered-out as of Jan 1, or in a few cases mods will archive or delete posts, but you will not be banned for old mixer-related posts.

It will continue to be OK to discuss mixers in a general sort of way. Just don't direct people to mixers: don't link to a mixer, don't link to a directory with links to mixers, don't tell people to "Google ASDFmixer", don't link to a mixer's telegram, etc.

Definition of a mixer

For clarity, here is a detailed definition of what we mean by a "mixer". Most people know intuitively what a mixer is and don't have to read this.

Something is considered a mixer if it meets all of these requirements:
 1. It has a feature advertised for taking property, improving its privacy somehow, and then returning roughly the same type of property.
     a. Even though you can sometimes use non-mixers to mix coins by depositing and then withdrawing, this doesn't make it a mixer because this is an incidental use of the service; the service isn't advertised as privacy-enhancing.
     b. If a site is not primarily a mixer but has a mixer function, such as a mixer function on a gambling website, then the whole site is considered a mixer.
     c. If the site takes coins, gives you a possibly-transferrable IOU, and will convert this IOU back into mixed coins much later, then the temporary conversion into a different type of property does not prevent it from being considered a mixer.
     d. If the site internally converts your deposit into other things as part of its mixing, but ultimately the point of the product is to get your original type of property back, then that's a mixer, not an exchanger.
 2. It is possible for the mixer to steal property passing through it. Assume that the sender does everything as correctly as possible. Also assume that no miners/verifiers on the base-layer cryptocurrency are evil. But assume that every other actor involved is evil (everyone able to vote in a DAO, every coordination server, every counterparty, every member of a multisig, etc.). Ignore short-term software bugs which are expected to be quickly fixed.
 3. The service does not collect KYC-type info from all users.

Examples of things that are not banned mixers include exchangers (unless they have a mixing function), CoinJoin-supporting non-custodial wallets, and Monero.

This sucks big time. Signature campaigns will be effectively limited to casinos. And the less campaigns there are, the less activity on the forum, which makes it less attractive to advertisers. A down-spiral.
I think it's a bit of an overkill, but I understand there must be a pretty big risk for the admins.
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