Topic: 📝[Discussion topic] Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns📝 - page 2. (Read 6473 times)

Crypto exchange services for quick exchanges, like we had a few months ago, like Zeusmex, which unfortunately didn't last long due to the company's insolvency. But other companies in the same industry can emerge and offer the same type of service.

E-commerce sites, online stores that sell geek products, gears, computer peripherals that accept Bitcoin. I believe the ideal audience for this type of business is here on the forums.

Crypto derivatives exchanges like Bingx, Bybit (researching historically, they have already promoted a campaign).

There are several different niches that could advertise here that are involved with Bitcoin.

We can suggest such companies the idea of ​​promoting their services on this forum.

No. There are no hints. It looks like a permanent ban so far.

Theymos banned mixer ads/sigs because mixers usually are in bed with evil people who do shit like money laundering which is a federal crime in the US.

The admin don't wanna end up in jail. Life still can be good without mixers. Sometimes it is smart to avoid taking more risks. The risk/reward ratio for shilling mixers isn't worth it.

Has BitcoinTalk given any hints about allowing mixers again, not just mixer signature campaigns? What were the main reasons they restricted mixers in the first place? If mixers are reintroduced, how might it change the community view here on bitcointalk stance on privacy and security? What rules or measures could be put in place to ensure mixers are used responsibly and legally?

Maybe I don't remember, but I think we had few more NSFW campaigns in past, but it was already long time ago, so, I can be wrong. I think there was such kind of campaign related to one ICO and maybe one promoting web camera website. B ut offcourse, I can be wrong.
Anyway, it's possible that one or few porn kind of campaigns can appear, but somehow it's difficultto expect that such thing will become frequent here.

Yes, I think merit has improved the situation a bit. But I think there is plenty of air to the upside still. And even a little visual upgrade, a slightly more attractive CSS theme for example and better mobile usability, could already help, because it would make good forum threads "shareable" on other social media as I already wrote in another post. This would make it possible to reach out for both forum and social media audiences.

Of course the mixer ban has contributed to the reduction of campaigns. But I remember mixers weren't that active in campaigns until 3-4 years ago. There were always a few mixers but most of the campaigns were always run by casinos and ICOs, in the early years of the campaign boom (around 2016/2017) also altcoin projects like Waves were quite active. ICOs have past their hype and are also more heavily regulated now, so it's not surprising there are only few ICO campaigns left. But in general casinos almost always made up 50% or more of the active campaigns. So I don't see that big of a difference to the olden times.

In general privacy-respecting services which are not classic mixers (and thus are not banned, but which could have problems to advertise on the big platforms) should do well here. Perhaps also smaller campaigns with 2-3 slots could be an option.

Nope, there was a porn campaign but it only last for 4 weeks.

It's kind of surprising why porn doesn't really attractive in this forum, I think nerds or geeks are high likely fall to porn addiction considering women didn't find nerds are attractive and they mostly alone.

Probably V-tuber or 2D porn could be an another option.

Sex always sells. Let’s invite onlyfans folks in.

“Sil, break it down for em'. What two businesses have historically been recession proof, since time immemorial?”

–Tony Soprano

Now this conversation leads to the question:
What other services would be viable to advertise on the forum?

Can you suggest a service that you think would be viable for advertising here on the forum?

I don't think I could have summed it up any better.


You who registered in 2013 surely lived through the first few years of quality posts but the merit system was introduced in January 2018 to deal with the spam problem that did not come overnight. As of today we are better in terms of overall quality posts than in 2017 and basically today practically only casinos are advertised.


Good point.

I already see some sponsored by some casinos posts on Twitter. Others now have their own forums and activity is not bad at all because it just a collection of only gamblers. The advantage Bitcointalk had/has onto of being the oldest crypto forum is that it's one place where a service looking for crypto related clients would find a collection of them. Twitter and Facebook just has a mixture of different users, some of which still think Bitcoin is scam and others completely don't even know about the existence of bitcoin.

The Mixers were the perfect only Bitcoin service and the only place they would get clients, at least on the clearnet, without being demonized was this forum. I don't think them making paid posts on Social media would help/work for them.

The crucial question is however what attracts demand (by advertisers).

Even if the traffic of Bitcointalk is of course lower than the traffic/followers on the "crypto YouTuber" scene or "crypto TikTokers", the equation is the same on YouTube/Instagram/Tiktok than on forums. On big social/video platforms reaching out to a large number of readers/followers is not cheap. (edited to make the point clearer)

In addition, a forum has some advantages with respect to particularly video platforms. Videos often get most of the views in the first days, while forum threads have often a longer life. This is of course not true for spam megathreads, where people only view to post (and they will only view the last page). Spam megathreads are thus a substantial threat to this advertising model, and it's quite good that their importance is slowly decreasing. Video ads are also often more easily ignored (by fast-forwarding, if the ad is too long) or blocked.

There is also link building and brand building. Link building is one of the few cases where even spam may work for advertisers, but its importance has declined in recent years as search engines have found ways to deal with the link spam problem, which of course is not limited to Bitcointalk but the whole web. Brand building is in contrast benefitted by high quality content.

I also have observed that forums were declining mainly in the period between 2010 and 2016-18, then they seem to have stabilized again. In the last 5 years I saw not much variation in market share between "forums" and "big centralized social platforms". It was more a shift from Facebook to Instagram (in-house) and TikTok, and it's possible that the decline of Twitter/X in recent years is a chance for more decentralized platforms, including forums, to grow again.

This seems also to be confirmed by the ad stats I linked above: reader volume (total impressions & unique IPs of logged-out users) even grew since 2022. Only during the bull market peaks in 2017/18 and 2021 the activity was notably higher, and if comparing the 2018/19 crypto winter and the the 2022/23 crypto winter these numbers didn't differ substantially. Logged-in users have declined a bit but not catastrophically, this could be an effect of the mixer ban.

I think the current problem is about diversity. The forum still attracts more than 6 signature campaigns, but most of them are gambling campaigns. In the past, options were available between ICOs, crypto exchanges, mixers, tokens,...etc, but since 2020, most of the promotion has moved to social media. Then the options became between mixers and gambling, and mixers were banned.

If gambling campaigns find another place to promote, they will inevitably stop promoting here, regardless of the quality of the posts. This is what happened with mixers, which was moved to another forum, although the results was not guaranteed.

The beginning of solving this problem is to rewrite the forum code and attract more beginners (activating the YouTube channel).

The recipe is simple.

Quality over quantity. Quality posts attracts views. Low quality posts are spam which achieve nothing.

When it is

Quality x Quantity = The views will grow exponentially.

Most good youtubers follow this exact basic math. If they post 2-3 good quality videos, their chances of attracting many subs is still very low. When they post good videos periodically, then they will eventually get to where they aimed.

Since this is a forum not a youtube channel, the posters need to work collectively. Only then the glory days of the forum will come back.

No need to lose hope. We gotta fight. We gotta fight hard. Fight till the end. Be like Trump.

Never surrender. Fuck altcointtalks

Earlier, new projects were conditioned to have their ANN on the Bitcointalk forum if they wanted to be listed on CMC. It wasn't a bad idea at all, because that way they were forced to have an open channel of communication. It also had a significant impact on the increase in forum activity.
I think that changed sometime around the time when Binance took over CMC, they probably didn't want to contribute to the development of another authority.

This is a somewhat theoretical discussion but I am of the opinion that especially in this case it is demand that attracts supply and not the other way around.


If signature campaigns go away this forum will look like a cemetery. 15 years ago people hardly used social media compared to now, and forum traffic was much higher. To think that good campaigns will come back without taking this into account is to leave out an essential part of the equation.


I agree with the latter but not with the former. Nowadays a new cryptocurrency exchange, to give an example, is going to get a lot more customers if it advertises on a Youtuber with millions of followers than by advertising on the forum.

Raising the quality of forum posts will not change that.

"Post more" (simply in the sense of "more posts") is indeed not what advertisers need.

What advertisers need is more readers, more potential customers for their services.

But what attracts new readers to the forum? Good content. So a type of supply (posts, thread) that can attract new readers is probably the only way to make advertisers get more interested in signature campaigns. In general thus I agree with @mindrust if "post more" means "post more quality content". Even better if it's "shareable" in social networks or so, to begin to attract people from other platforms here, as I wrote in my last post here.

Spam posts achieve exactly the opposite.

It is all situational.

This forum didn't have any sig camps in the beginning when people were sharing the good stuff.

The sig camps arrived later.

 After that, people started to post only to get paid.

If the sig camps go away, only the same old people who attracted the sig camps in the beginning might post again.

I already said something similar in other threads.


It seems unbelievable you say that wearing that signature and avatar. Supply does not increase demand, if anything it lowers the price. As things are, people are not going to post more, because there is more and more economic incentive, but if they did, and seeing the payments of campaigns that there are currently, as soon as a company comes to advertise it can hire quality posters for between 50 and 80$ weekly. In fact, I've already seen some ex-CMs getting paid that.

I don't see a scenario where companies start competing to take the best posters with payouts in excess of $100 a week and as high as $150 or more like a year ago.

It is his decision and he may consider about promoting non profit bitcoin related service in the ad banner but for now he is not even interested in making any tweaks that people are asking for years.

Bitcoin core is always pinned at the news so I guess it's covered pretty much.

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Politicians may flip any time and he just use Bitcoin as another tool for now but even if he gets elected I don't think there won't be any relaxation regarding crypto frameworks in US.

btw, I love the guy as an individual.

I'm not sure where the critical point is, how many activities and users are needed for Bitcointalk to maintain relevance in the crypto world. Is it even possible to predict something like that?
btw. Glorifying any public figure, just because he said something positive about Bitcoin, is the wrong direction. At least that's my opinion.