Do you blame someone for your gambling losses? - page 45.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on April 28, 2023, 07:35:10 AM

They are very lucky that they can pay a fine if 150000 naira each.

People are just greedy and only looking for ways to warm money. Even if that is what they want to achieve, no through something risky like gambling.

Quote from: Gozie51 on April 28, 2023, 07:24:46 AM

The mother and the son after gambling away 5.6 million naira, that is about $8,000. When the reality dawned on them, they gave false information in petition, accusing someone of fraudulently transferring the fund from their Opay account to the sport betting account without their authorization.

When the gambling site account can be traced to the bank that they use for deposit to know the whole truth. Some people just want to play smart when they are not smart with information.

Lucky for them on been asked out for 150k naira as a fine which it is really something to be considered to be a good situation for them. When it comes on revealing the whole truth then it could really be
traced up in todays accessibility on which it could really be seen on how they do able to spent out those amounts whether it is really that real that there's some unauthorized access or they are
really just pointing up some fingers into something imaginary but somewhat since the case had already been finalized then it seems that they did really succeed for that reasoning?

I dont have doubts but we know that when addiction hits, then we do see lots of different alibis or reasoning basing on what they do have done which it
isnt really that shocking that addicts do really go into a certain extent or simply crossing out on the border lines.

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Am very sure it was because they had lossed almost all the money that they came back to their senses. Otherwise, we wouldn't have learnt of such a news if they lost it all.
Seriously though, how can you blame someone other person for a loss you knowingly indulged?
The mother and son are just crying wolf to get some pity ceremony in their favour. Even if someone influenced their decision to gamble the money away, they wouldn't have if they weren't already gambling from an onset.
The judge should inquire as to why they are even laying blame on someone else, perhaps they want insurance or their mortgage is due somehow. At least 7years would give them enough time to think about what they had done.
Please as usual, don't gamble with money you cannot afford to loose.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on April 28, 2023, 07:24:46 AM

Court sentences mother, son to 7 years imprisonment and what did they do? Court sentences mother, son to 7 years imprisonment

The mother and the son after gambling away 5.6 million naira, that is about $8,000. When the reality dawned on them, they gave false information in petition, accusing someone of fraudulently transferring the fund from their Opay account to the sport betting account without their authorization.

Could this be a case of making someone pay for what they didn't eat or a case of double standard.

Bet as you can sustain and not allow your emotions have a better part of you.

It is a pity that this family has become slaves to gambling by seeing gambling as a means of survival,if not nobody will go as dump to gamble off such amount of funds with her son and try to put the blame on someone for their reckless actions. Entertaining yourself through gambling is not a bad idea but when you go at length to take gamble as an occupation,this means that you are chasing shadows and you will live to regret your actions.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on April 28, 2023, 07:24:46 AM

Court sentences mother, son to 7 years imprisonment and what did they do? Court sentences mother, son to 7 years imprisonment

The mother and the son after gambling away 5.6 million naira, that is about $8,000. When the reality dawned on them, they gave false information in petition, accusing someone of fraudulently transferring the fund from their Opay account to the sport betting account without their authorization.

Could this be a case of making someone pay for what they didn't eat or a case of double standard.

Bet as you can sustain and not allow your emotions have a better part of you.

The reason why gambling is strictly for adults is that you must take full responsibility for your actions which include losses and gains. These addicted gamblers cannot successfully defend this allegation because their bank statement will easily show how they wasted the funds. I am sure the court is not punishing them for gambling but for lying. Maybe they want the banking service provider to pay for damages because they want to eat their cake and have it. It also shows the kind of mothers that we have in the society. Mothers that partner with their children to commit crimes. The golden rule of gambling remains to gamble what you can afford to lose and accommodate. This is because trying to recover unbearable losses can lead to committing unthinkable crimes.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on April 28, 2023, 07:24:46 AM

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Could this be a case of making someone pay for what they didn't eat or a case of double standard.

Bet as you can sustain and not allow your emotions have a better part of you.

First, gambling is a personal choice, obviously for me, I would not blame anyone for the losses caused because of my gambling activity.

In the case stated by @OP, I do not think there is a chance for this mother and son to get away of fraud since they admit the fault at the end. Honestly the news is somehow confusing. The lack of details how the event happens and how these mother and child ended up pleading guilty. This is another case of poorly written news report IMO. There should be the initial state of the case, a short information of the development of the case, the turn of events or proof that lead how this mother and child ended up pleading guilty. But there is none.

Maybe the reason why the mother and son pleaded guilty was because they got no other choice but to make a plea in-order to have a shorter jail time rather than making the processes much longer until they will be found guilty beyond unreasonable doubt. It was just a mistake on their part because instead of facing the consequences themselves as they are the ones who initiated the actions, they instead blamed someone else for the mistake they did.

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Quote from: Adbitco on April 28, 2023, 03:12:27 PM

Did they in any way knows the magnitude of what they are doing and that isn't enough also accusing someone else for illegally transferring such huge amount to their bet account. Is she insane or what, didn't they know the implications of gambling with such amount of money?

Seems to me that they are used to doing that but just got caught on their recent attempt.

Kind of a foolish thing to me to file a false claim without knowing the risks, therefore, I will assume that these people have already made good deals by doing it and might have already been able to fool some sports betting sites before with their claims.

Since it's a form of financial fraud, it's really considered subject an illegal activity.

They are even really fortunate that are given an option to just pay the required money to save their asses rather than serving the jail for 7 years.

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I think they need to visit the psychiatric hospital to check if they are mentally stable and correct because I wouldn't see where a reasonable man or individual would gamble with such huge amount of money to win something big. Did they in any way knows the magnitude of what they are doing and that isn't enough also accusing someone else for illegally transferring such huge amount to their bet account. Is she insane or what, didn't they know the implications of gambling with such amount of money?

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Actually, that kind of schemes to defraud money out the bank to avoid paying for the things one has already bought or consumed do not work, because people working on the bank have a set of electronic tools and software which they use to track the operations and the IP addresses where they were made from, it was matter of time before they got busted, because I assume they did not even bother to use Tor or even thought about the consequences of lying to a bank. Roll Eyes

Lying to Casinos, Banks, the government and your spouse is never a good idea, I guess.

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I will answer your topic title.

someone will sometimes lose their mind when they become a gambling addict and rather ignore whatever they hear. accusing other people or friends when they accept defeat at the casino, that's also very bad, while other people or our friends don't have any fault.
but the name of addiction does make people a little insane.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on April 28, 2023, 07:24:46 AM

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Could this be a case of making someone pay for what they didn't eat or a case of double standard.

Bet as you can sustain and not allow your emotions have a better part of you.

First, gambling is a personal choice, obviously for me, I would not blame anyone for the losses caused because of my gambling activity.

In the case stated by @OP, I do not think there is a chance for this mother and son to get away of fraud since they admit the fault at the end. Honestly the news is somehow confusing. The lack of details how the event happens and how these mother and child ended up pleading guilty. This is another case of poorly written news report IMO. There should be the initial state of the case, a short information of the development of the case, the turn of events or proof that lead how this mother and child ended up pleading guilty. But there is none.

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Quote from: alastantiger on April 28, 2023, 07:39:00 AM

How can two persons be so addicted to gambling that they'll go to such an extent? Apparently the mother is definitely not a good role model to the son. The son definitely needs a strong father figure which is what he lacks. I don't like the punishment or fine give to them. It is not going to be in anyway effective. Their punishment could have been rehabilitation and community service.

Maybe, they have an internal problems at their home. And they thought that through gambling they can solve their problem and it will an answer to their other issues. But it happen that they become addicted and that's not good because not only the mother is addict it is also become her son. Their family went to a lot of course and they needed counseling as well.

People would not really fall into gambling addicts easily if there’s no wrong with the way they live. Maybe this mother and son have experienced struggling with their finances that’s why they took gambling chances hoping that it could answer to their financial problems. But they have gone too far with gambling and even blame someone for their misconduct. This is a very wrong attitude, and worst thing is this mother has greatly influenced her own son to act that way. I pity her son because he’s just a victim to his own mother’s wrong doing. Hopefully, they will receive proper counseling and that they should learned after all of this worst phase in their lives.

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Quote from: alastantiger on April 28, 2023, 07:39:00 AM

How can two persons be so addicted to gambling that they'll go to such an extent? Apparently the mother is definitely not a good role model to the son. The son definitely needs a strong father figure which is what he lacks. I don't like the punishment or fine give to them. It is not going to be in anyway effective. Their punishment could have been rehabilitation and community service.

The thing with chronic addicts is that, there's no limit to their creativity. Long as they can get the fix which in this case is getting more money or getting their losses back so they can gamble some more, they don't care about anything else. You could see this with cokeheads and crackheads, who sometimes go out of their way to sell appliances, pets, and even personal belongings just so they can get money to fund their addiction. The question of the mother not being a good role model is pretty much case-shut since how in the hell is your son afflicted to the same problem that you're in. As for the punishment, I would agree with you because at the end of the day once they get back to society they'll just resort to gambling and doing stupid things that will get them incarcerated again.

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I saw this in a news headline today, but it didn't catch my interest to want to go through the details..
There are we do without thinking, and when it actually turns out to be a big mistake, in other to save our heads, we either accuse some one else if being the perpetrator of the act, or we them for something we willingly did on our own..

This is another example of bad parenting, why on earth should a Moyer be a gambling partner to her own?, I think the jail term given to them is even too small, this should serve as a lesson to most Nigerian parents.

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Quote from: uneng on April 28, 2023, 10:12:09 AM

I didn't understand one thing: did they make up this whole story due to gambling being illegal in Nigeria, therefore they couldn't been spotted as gamblers by authorities, or did they do this simply because they wanted to retrieve the lost money?

If it falls under the first case, I don't blame mother and son, as I believe gambling is an individual decision of each person. Governments and regulators shouldn't forbid the activity or punish people for gambling. However, if it falls under the second case, I blame them, because they were acting maliciously to retrieve a money they didn't have any right over it anymore, since they voluntarily played a game of luck and lost it.

As far as my research is concerned, online sports betting in Nigeria is legal.

It's even noted that Nigeria is home to more than 40 sports betting sites, with estimates closed to 60 million Nigerians actively participating in sports betting.

Back to the story, it's clear that the convicts are trying to retrieve their lost money thru a false claim.

I'm just wondering how the convicts arrange properly their petitions. Obviously, the authorities are not that dumb to easily fall on that kind of claim without a deep and proper investigation by all parties involved. Seriously I can't believe they really attempt to do some sh*tty cashback attempt knowing all the risks. Maybe they are successful in that scheme for too long but not this time.

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Nigeria have become a field for all manner of greed and criminal activities, because I can see any reason why somrone will gamble away a wooping 5 million plus and say that someone else got access to they accounts without they consent which is not true, this is not the first time I am hearing some customers complaining that they money got transferred from they online wallets into a specific gambling accounts, and some pf them accused both pay and kuda banks respectively.

I don't know if that is different scheme what the of those case since the mother and son accused someone, which means not pay that was accused, but an individual that was accused, anyways, there are lucky to pay the 150,000 fine instead of a 7 years in jail term.

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While others find excuses some find someone to blame. Its somehow a common reaction to not blame themselves for the loss. Mother consenting her son to gamble is quite a relationship, gambling must made them very close since they share the experience. Its like partners in crime, I'm envious Grin

Still not a good example to blame the loss to someone. Take responsibility.

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The amount they loss is big and they were trying to create false accusation to retrieve the fund back. Whom did they even accused? Was it the casino company or the representative (sportbook maker)? The bookmarker is innocent of the accusation because the money did not directly enter the person's account but the casino's company account. Accusing the innocent person was the worst thing ever done by them. They world have use another way to solve the issue. And the money was send to the gambling account and they used it for wagering. So there was no way for them to deny again.

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Quote from: Frankolala on April 28, 2023, 12:45:02 PM

The mother and son should be happy that it is a bailable offense and it fine is cheap. I don't see this as a problem to them compare to the money that they squandered. They are chasing their loses by allowing their emotions to control them.

Blaming someone else for the consequences of your action is bad. Only an addicted gambler will frame up such stories for them to cover up their gambling addiction. The mom and her son need rehabilitation from gambling so that they don't bring frustration to themselves at the end of the day.

Chasing of losses in gambling is what normally makes a gambler loose alot when gambling. The thought will be that with very game you play you can recover the previous lose you made and before you know it you are already on a highway of many losses. Its better to have a budget while gambling so that you will know when to stop and that should be immediately after the funds you kept for it is over anything other than that can result to so many disastrous scenarios.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on April 28, 2023, 07:24:46 AM

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I would call such people idiots. And not because they lost quite a large amount of money in the casino, but because they became famous for coming up with a fraud that is easy for law enforcement agencies to uncover. In addition, as I understand it, they can be held accountable for their deception. I hope they remember this experience for a long time and next time think twice before playing in a casino with money they can't afford to lose.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on April 28, 2023, 07:35:10 AM

They are very lucky that they can pay a fine if 150000 naira each.

People are just greedy and only looking for ways to warm money. Even if that is what they want to achieve, no through something risky like gambling.

Quote from: Gozie51 on April 28, 2023, 07:24:46 AM

The mother and the son after gambling away 5.6 million naira, that is about $8,000. When the reality dawned on them, they gave false information in petition, accusing someone of fraudulently transferring the fund from their Opay account to the sport betting account without their authorization.

When the gambling site account can be traced to the bank that they use for deposit to know the whole truth. Some people just want to play smart when they are not smart with information.

Honestly, this is one of the dumbest idea to do after losing some money towards gambling and then making a false statement that the money was withdrawn from their account without their authorization when in fact they are the ones who did it in the first place. Maybe if they were smart enough to think it thoroughly before they did it, they could've get away with it and be a millionaire.

And yes, they were lucky enough to get a fine with that small amount after all the accusation and defamation they did. 150,000 Naira or 300 in US dollars.

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