Do you blame someone for your gambling losses? - page 41.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on May 01, 2023, 04:29:44 AM

I don't really point fingers to anyone because I know to myself that the last decision is still on me. Blaming someone for your own doing is just purely stupid, heartless, and selfish act. If you want to do something, you should always think many times before doing so to avoid regrets and to avoid putting the blame on other people who suggested or even advised you.

Gambling is a game of chance. It is combination of skills and luck which is really a risk on your end if you will play and bet. To avoid such, you must set limitations for yourself. Time, effort, and time are usually the most common things sacrificed in gambling. If you aren't ready for the consequences then set boundaries or just don't play or bet at all.

Yup, gambling losses cannot be delegated to other people, no matter you do. Every gambler shoud be rememblers will not get anything, unless there is evidence that the dealer is committing fraud. As long as we gamble consciously when we lose, then at that time we should also be aware that this loses is our responsibility, not for blaming other people.

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Quote from: ModelT on May 01, 2023, 10:27:23 AM

No, overall I have been a winner and realize that losses are part of the process. When playing a game like blackjack, there may be a temptation to blame the guy at 3rd base for a bad play that costs you, but in the long run those bad plays should only hurt that player's bankroll and not your own.

When gambling/investing in publically traded companies, it's disconcerting to receive notices of class action lawsuits which make you aware of improper behavior that caused losses.

if your investment fails because there may be internal or external problems that cannot be resolved by the developers of the platform you are investing in there actually you can still request or check the validity of their claims again

but the cases of the mothers and children in this OP are very different, they deceive many people, they commit slander on gambling sites where they gamble, they do false testimony and it is a crime of fraud, they actually deserve to be put in jail

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No, overall I have been a winner and realize that losses are part of the process. When playing a game like blackjack, there may be a temptation to blame the guy at 3rd base for a bad play that costs you, but in the long run those bad plays should only hurt that player's bankroll and not your own.

When gambling/investing in publically traded companies, it's disconcerting to receive notices of class action lawsuits which make you aware of improper behavior that caused losses.

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Quote from: 348Judah on April 29, 2023, 04:44:29 AM

Yes, you can put a blame on someone for your losses in gambling if that person contributed to your finanl decision in making that particular bet you lost, but you need to first blame yourself for being too open for receiving external feeds from others influencing your gambling decision, when you do do then you will now discover the more needs to make decisions by yourself in other not to regret any outcome being received, what keep me more concerned about this is that if you win, this same people will come out in telling others they make you win but when you loose, they wouldn't do that, rather they will keep mute.

There are instances that we have a playful or naughty friend where they can modify the bets that we already placed. If we lose, we will surely blame them for this but if it's a win, maybe we will thank them and give them some tips instead of being angry with them. We will then think that they are lucky and we will let them do it again.

This is now fine because we can now accept whatever the outcome that we will get but we should warn this friend to not do it with the other people for the first time because they might get beaten up especially if the first result is not positive. The story shared by the OP is different. They intentionally blame the other to get out of their mistakes. Which is very wrong.

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I don't really point fingers to anyone because I know to myself that the last decision is still on me. Blaming someone for your own doing is just purely stupid, heartless, and selfish act. If you want to do something, you should always think many times before doing so to avoid regrets and to avoid putting the blame on other people who suggested or even advised you.

Gambling is a game of chance. It is combination of skills and luck which is really a risk on your end if you will play and bet. To avoid such, you must set limitations for yourself. Time, effort, and time are usually the most common things sacrificed in gambling. If you aren't ready for the consequences then set boundaries or just don't play or bet at all.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on April 30, 2023, 10:56:10 PM

If they blame each other for losing at gambling, it could end in a fight because each will stand by his stance and don't want to be blamed. This will also make them emotional and could damage their friendship. For this reason, maturity is needed to accept all the risks that arise from gambling so that they will not blame each other and can still have fun. Or should they not need to play gambling together rather than blaming each other if they lose.

maturity when gambling is necessary and maybe the person goes to gambling at the same time and the two people are mature in age but we must know that maturity will disappear when it comes to money lost or lost in gambling which causes blaming each other.
therefore I am very skeptical about gambling with friends or inviting other people to go gambling with me choosing to gamble in an introverted manner so as not to blame anyone when I lose.

and I agree with you it would be better to reduce gambling or avoid gambling if you can't be mature in gambling.

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Quote from: davis196 on May 01, 2023, 01:00:53 AM

This topic isn't about blaming anyone for your gambling losses. It's about trying to scam the sports betting platform, after you they have lost a substantial amount of money. I think that the mother and the son has this plan right from the beginning. They probably must have thought to themselves "hey, let's gamble a big amount of money, if we lose, we are going to lie and get a refund, what could possibly go wrong?". Grin

Refund scamming exists since the start of the online payments era(or even before that), but nowadays the payment providers can't be tricked that easily.

Exactly and there are people like these who think that can get away by creating a thriller story that someone else transferred funds and not them,this can easily be found though and they are extremely lucky to be having the option to pay a fine because people who do such things deserve prison time as the only way to educate them and if they serve jail time I am pretty confident when they come out after seven years will not ever think again of trying to set up such a scam.

It is extremely difficult to cheat on electronic systems like online casinos nowadays as technology is super advanced and anti cheat protection is at the highest level,so only stupid people go and try this route.

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This topic isn't about blaming anyone for your gambling losses. It's about trying to scam the sports betting platform, after you they have lost a substantial amount of money. I think that the mother and the son has this plan right from the beginning. They probably must have thought to themselves "hey, let's gamble a big amount of money, if we lose, we are going to lie and get a refund, what could possibly go wrong?". Grin

Refund scamming exists since the start of the online payments era(or even before that), but nowadays the payment providers can't be tricked that easily.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on April 28, 2023, 07:24:46 AM

Could this be a case of making someone pay for what they didn't eat or a case of double standard.

Yup, this case seems similar to the ones that i've seen in online casinos where the gambler would put the blame on the casino rules so they can get their deposit back even though they lost their money already.

Quote from: Strongkored on April 30, 2023, 11:20:20 PM

However, it seems that this woman does not blame other people, she is just trying to cover up her gambling activities by telling false stories, it is indeed not easy to cover up our identity when gambling using funds transferred through a bank account, so gambling with crypto might allow us to maintain personal confidentiality because it is not no identity connected unless doing KYC.

I was going to point this out as well, if it was a different payment method it wouldn't have been easy to verify the information and they could possibly get away with it.

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This is why people who aren't responsible for their money shouldn't really think about gambling. They'll really look for a lot of reasons to not be held accountable for their actions especially when it involves losing money. Also, it's as if they're trying to blame the service in part because a 'fraudulent transaction' happened on their account and they didn't bother to check. I mean, who would, in their right mind, not wonder why there's money in your sports betting account in an instant? And why would someone doing fraudulent things transfer that money to an account that is still controlled by the one whom they took the money from?

They're trying to make everyone look dumb in their story. They deserve to be arrested for what they did.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on April 28, 2023, 07:24:46 AM

Court sentences mother, son to 7 years imprisonment and what did they do? Court sentences mother, son to 7 years imprisonment
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The mother and the son after gambling away 5.6 million naira, that is about $8,000. When the reality dawned on them, they gave false information in petition, accusing someone of fraudulently transferring the fund from their Opay account to the sport betting account without their authorization.

Could this be a case of making someone pay for what they didn't eat or a case of double standard.

Bet as you can sustain and not allow your emotions have a better part of you.

Blaming someone or whatever it is when a gambler experiences losses is typical of an irresponsible gambler and actually it happens because he cannot afford to lose the money she used to gamble.
From this story it proves that gambling is not only an activity carried out by men and only men can gamble and do bad things to keep fulfilling their desire to continue gambling, because women can do it too and in the end it is detrimental to her.
However, it seems that this woman does not blame other people, she is just trying to cover up her gambling activities by telling false stories, it is indeed not easy to cover up our identity when gambling using funds transferred through a bank account, so gambling with crypto might allow us to maintain personal confidentiality because it is not no identity connected unless doing KYC.

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Quote from: Taskford on April 30, 2023, 09:14:43 AM

Maybe he hype his friend so much that's why he was been blame about bad situation happen to him. To avoid this its really better to tell all information they needed since if his friend can understand the risk of their games played then they will never mock at you but instead healthy discussion will be build up and possibly that they can create good plan towards the options they want to try on.

Its good that your friend understand the risk and its condition so that you can avoid blame game and can create good eye view to influence people to gamble responsibly and take care on their capital set.

We don't know that but if both of them knew about the risks of gambling, they wouldn't make fun of each other because they both went through the same experience. What is important is that they can feel the experience of playing the game together and get the same experience and of course, they can enjoy the atmosphere at the gambling place. Plus, if they can enjoy the game, they might come back to the casino another day to enjoy some time together. It's better to leave all the negative thoughts in each other to avoid disturbing the friendship.

Quote from: len01 on April 30, 2023, 12:42:58 PM

of course it started with the two people using money that they couldn't afford to lose so that when they both lost at gambling they would definitely blame each other and end up being enemies with each other, that was very bad.
but it's normal for someone who loses money at gambling to become emotional because it's a natural hormone of mind that appears to remember the lost money and feel disappointed and take it out on others.

If they blame each other for losing at gambling, it could end in a fight because each will stand by his stance and don't want to be blamed. This will also make them emotional and could damage their friendship. For this reason, maturity is needed to accept all the risks that arise from gambling so that they will not blame each other and can still have fun. Or should they not need to play gambling together rather than blaming each other if they lose.

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Quote from: BobK71 on April 30, 2023, 06:25:33 PM

Nothing good can be expected from an addicted gambler. Moreover, if a minor is addicted to gambling, it may be due to the carelessness of his parents. But only KYC cannot provide any solution in this regard. Because nowadays many people can complete KYC with their parents' documents. Here, in case of minor, father and mother should take adequate care. And if he is an adult then if he does not try to protect himself from that addiction then it is not possible to bring that gambler back to the right path by others.

An addict must be willing to stop gambling himself or to reduce his gambling time by himself before any external body can step in to help him get his desire goals. Going to force those goals on a gambler that's addicted without his approving is a waste if time.

First he has to subconsciously agree and then everything will move smoothly, addicts are very depress and can do unthinkable things just to get what they want. They can buy KYC from online to get access to the gambling sites, we don't have to blame their parents.

As a parent, you just have to do the best they can do in training their children and it's left for the children to choose the path that they'll follow. As a parents you can't do it all which is why you need the help of others to help with your children training.

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Quote from: KTChampions on April 30, 2023, 09:09:34 AM

If I remember correctly, almost all gambling is banned in Japan (or Korea?)

No, Japan is okay, I don't know if Korea is. I recently play Pachinko in Japan 5 years ago. and, I think almost casino in Japan is open to everyone, except age. So, Pachinko in Japan is dominated by aged players but I have never seen a player under 17 years play with his mom like the post above. This situation makes me think that the more advanced that country, then have high the moral standards to do not invite his son to gamble.

And, the government should not jail both (mom and son) at the same time ( 7 years), because the child doesn't knows anything, and better that son is get treated in a child protection home.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on April 28, 2023, 07:24:46 AM

Court sentences mother, son to 7 years imprisonment and what did they do?

The fact that the mother and son have been jailed for seven years is significant because the mother and son gave wrong information in gambling betting and following that wrong information someone suffered a loss of 7 million Nigerian currency Nairo. I can't blame mother and son in this case because if someone gave me wrong information or signal then I should have observed well before I followed that signal. I can't support this seven-year jail of mother and son in any way.
In my personal life I spend some of my time gambling but in this case if someone gives me a signal from an outside source I do not act on the signal until I verify it myself. There are certainly risks involved in gambling but I don't think it's fair to put the blame for that risk on someone else.

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Quote from: nullama on April 30, 2023, 06:40:56 PM

I would even go further, and say that if you constantly blame someone else for your issues, then your life will probably never be great.

If, on the other hand, you take the responsibility for everything that happens to you, then you are in a position of power, because you can change yourself, and by changing yourself you can change your life.

Blaming someone else removes your power. Don't do it if you want a great life. Take full responsibility of everything that happens to you in life.

Very nice advice right there.
I don't think anyone who just keeps on blaming his own mistakes on others is going to be successful in their life. Somewhere down the road, it will eat him/her up and it will only be a life full of regrets and hopelessness.
Being responsible for our own mistakes is what makes us stronger in life, not just in our gambling activities but also in our choices. I remember one time I bet on a big game for the underdog and my friend keeps on telling me I should take the favorite team. When my bet lost, I didn't blame anyone for my mistake but instead, I just got over it and take it as a good learning experience to sometimes listen to the people near you than being full of pride.

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Very common strategy to deflect blame, childish even when people do this. Its the type of thing any court will see every day commonly and in the end have to ignore as any viable excuse and punish when sentencing. Its the opposite of taking responsibility and will lead to reoccurrence of the factors that led to the criminal charges hence a court will often be more harsh for people that try to excuse themselves in this way.

When trying to get away with a crime, dont be lazy about it. The detectives and court themselves literally have a thousand times your experience, if you are saying what every criminal says you appear like an idiot in your denials.

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Quote from: BobK71 on April 30, 2023, 06:25:33 PM

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Quote from: Wapfika on April 28, 2023, 07:55:30 AM

I bet they are just taking their chances to use the law to recover their losses since this kind of incident is really happening that hacker use someone bank account to purchase online or gamble.

I believe they have a family history of being a compulsive gambler because they can pretend that they really hacked if they don’t have history of gambling. KYC is not an issue since they loss the money and probably casino doesn’t asked them to do KYC since they didn’t manage to withdraw the funds. KYC typically applied when they already want to withdraw the funds. I think the prosecution evidence on this case are their family background since a mother and son not typically joining together to gamble if they didn’t do this most of the time.

With this, they just waste money on fine or jail time instead of just accepting the losses.

So gambling addictions are like genes too that can be passed? Interesting but I think it does not come naturally. Maybe the parents gambles carelessly even if their children are around so there is a tendency that the kids will copy it and worse is the parents just allow their kids to gamble.

That's too irresponsible. KYC is not the real issue here but it's about being addicted. KYC or not, an addicted gambler won't care only to continue playing but there are casinos which mandate KYC during the start or when you are still signing up on them. Not only they lose money but they also lost their morals but I think they don't really care about the opinion of other people. What is only important for them is to recover their money.

Nothing good can be expected from an addicted gambler. Moreover, if a minor is addicted to gambling, it may be due to the carelessness of his parents. But only KYC cannot provide any solution in this regard. Because nowadays many people can complete KYC with their parents' documents. Here, in case of minor, father and mother should take adequate care. And if he is an adult then if he does not try to protect himself from that addiction then it is not possible to bring that gambler back to the right path by others.

Not all guardian or parents who would really be blamed if ever their children did really engage into something because we know that no matter how hard we do teach up those good deed or ways of living, it wont really be assure that it would really be applied or would be followed by your children.We do know that in todays world on which there are lots of distractions which it would really be leading out into those things which
we didnt even can believe that it did really happen.Thing here is that you've been here for them in case shit things happen. Speaking about blaming someone for your gambling losses then it is really a normal behavior of someone who do fall out into this kind of thing on which it would really be that normal that they would be having this kind of reaction because we cant really easily accept our mistakes but if things comes
worst then there's nothing you can do because no matter how hard you do point up your fingers, we arent that blind not to determine on whose the real at fault on this one.

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I would even go further, and say that if you constantly blame someone else for your issues, then your life will probably never be great.

If, on the other hand, you take the responsibility for everything that happens to you, then you are in a position of power, because you can change yourself, and by changing yourself you can change your life.

Blaming someone else removes your power. Don't do it if you want a great life. Take full responsibility of everything that happens to you in life.

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Quote from: darewaller on April 30, 2023, 09:23:44 AM

Quote from: Wapfika on April 28, 2023, 07:55:30 AM

I bet they are just taking their chances to use the law to recover their losses since this kind of incident is really happening that hacker use someone bank account to purchase online or gamble.

I believe they have a family history of being a compulsive gambler because they can pretend that they really hacked if they don’t have history of gambling. KYC is not an issue since they loss the money and probably casino doesn’t asked them to do KYC since they didn’t manage to withdraw the funds. KYC typically applied when they already want to withdraw the funds. I think the prosecution evidence on this case are their family background since a mother and son not typically joining together to gamble if they didn’t do this most of the time.

With this, they just waste money on fine or jail time instead of just accepting the losses.

So gambling addictions are like genes too that can be passed? Interesting but I think it does not come naturally. Maybe the parents gambles carelessly even if their children are around so there is a tendency that the kids will copy it and worse is the parents just allow their kids to gamble.

That's too irresponsible. KYC is not the real issue here but it's about being addicted. KYC or not, an addicted gambler won't care only to continue playing but there are casinos which mandate KYC during the start or when you are still signing up on them. Not only they lose money but they also lost their morals but I think they don't really care about the opinion of other people. What is only important for them is to recover their money.

Nothing good can be expected from an addicted gambler. Moreover, if a minor is addicted to gambling, it may be due to the carelessness of his parents. But only KYC cannot provide any solution in this regard. Because nowadays many people can complete KYC with their parents' documents. Here, in case of minor, father and mother should take adequate care. And if he is an adult then if he does not try to protect himself from that addiction then it is not possible to bring that gambler back to the right path by others.

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